G5 is here

[Spearhead]

nice one apple! :beer:

im getting one... as soon as i get a job :p

[DELTAadmin]

I feel this thread will be removed, but I do not mind, it is a very good news for the c4d user group, since this machine will give a very big chance to C4D over PC based 3d systems

[LucentDreams]

Threads will only be removed if they are an issue, again I"d encourage this kind of discussion be shared with alll cgtalkers, but if its here thats fine, don't feel we are out to delete everything because I closed a thread about a tasteless joke.

This is ggreat news for all apple users, and PC users especially in cg should pay attention, they may see something they like. I've always liked working on a mac, but price to power ratio has always kept me PC. Someday when mac gets it right I hope to switch over

[brammelo]

Finally. FINALLY!

The next thing to do is convince my boss it's time to throw this DELL out of the window.

Cheers,
BaRa

[Zion]

Sweet!!!

It will be interesting to see the Cinebench results from this puppy. I'm sure a lot of people are going to be blown away!

[DELTAadmin]

I started this thread on the Maya forum, but within minutes it was removed, leving not a hint that it was there, as in other removed threads.

[LucentDreams]

Originally posted by DELTAadmin
I started this thread on the Maya forum, but within minutes it was removed, leving not a hint that it was there, as in other removed threads.

I think they are being a little more strict than we are. But we are trying to get people out of the software specific only forums, and into the overall community, I know many might not want to communicate with the likes of max users and LW users and such, but really we are all cgartists and can learn a lot aobut techinque (rather then just tools) from each other.

[DELTAadmin]

but really we are all cgartists and can learn a lot aobut techinque (rather then just tools) from each other.

Yes, I think technique surpasses the yes, no, open, cancel do it do that ... software specific issues, as in every other areas of life. Thanx for not removing this thread

[DELTAadmin]

I've seen the video posted on Apple's website.
One interesting thing: Pixar's somebody said it is very important to show every pixel (real time) to our clients, and the new mac is the faster personal computer i've ever seen.

[DELTAadmin]

'faster' reads correctly 'fastest', pardon

[LucentDreams]

While Catmull is definitely a person to take seriously do remembere that Pixar is owned in part by Steve Job, owner of apple, al the cool new Imac adds they had were done by pixar way back,wasn't surprised to see them having someone say something.

As for his statment,uhm well that could be verymisleading, I mean to me that sentence simply means a movie at full resolution, which any dualprocessin system at a total of 2 gigs and 512 ram should be doing nowadays.

[Lun4tic]

I cant wait to get my hands on those damn G5!!! They really do Kick Ass!:applause:

And i do also think it will be an huge difference between an iMac G3 500
to something like an Powermac G5 1.6!
It will be a lot easier to work in cinema when the polycount is beginning to get high...


:applause: For Apple

[mimo8]

woop!

on the apple-page they show a bechmark test aggainst a dual 3ghz xenon machine, saying the g5 boosts the pc into the ground .... let´s hope this is not just in tasks like opening adobe acrobat or chating in ichat : )

[JIII]

Yeah but consider this is the first time apple has ever posted benchmarks with a dual 3.06 on its webpage.

before they stuck to single 3.0's and said they were fastest. This tells me this is probibly for real.

It will be interesting to see if these bench's stand up to the test of time. I hope so.

[JIII]

Wait a second if its 64 bit doesnt that mean that the programs have to be re written to take advantage of this?

[CosmicBear]

Originally posted by JIII
Wait a second if its 64 bit doesnt that mean that the programs have to be re written to take advantage of this?

yep, that's exactly what it means. a friend of mine, who's a programmer said, that they 'only' need to recomplimize (correct word???) the programms.

i'm really looking forward to see one of those in action, especially with cinema.

and the best news - besides the speed of course - they turned the volume down! finally it won't feal like, you're having a hairdryer on your desk. :)

but am i the only one who things, that the new design looks like a mixture of a toolbox and a lunchbox? :cool:

[tOd]

Just some bench mark info here. Not fuel for a flame war. I love Macs and PCs both. I prefer Macs a little more but anyway thats may personal likes so you know Im not posting this cause Im some sort of Anti-Apple-ite :)

http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5/

[peety]

the new g5 must really be incredible ... i think i will buy one :cool: but also the new panther seems to be great ... expecially exposé

for everybody who haven't yet seen the keynote ... there is now a stream online http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc03/

[Other3DMaster]

Go check out https://renderman.pixar.com/ first item in the news section, entitled: Power Mac G5 and Pixar's Renderman...

Didn't someone just post a link to a plug which exports cinema 4d scenes to RIB?(renderman format)... (albeit in a PC verson)...

[JIII]

I must have missed that one, there was a WIP sorta plug mentioned on post forum a while back. Don't really know it that will ever be finished though.

[NWoolridge]

Just to clarify, since there are some rather misleading statments above, 32-bit apps like C4D will not _need_ to be recompiled to work on the G5. All your apps will just run, and benefit from the improved speed of the system.

The PowerPC architecture was designed from the beginning to allow for 32-bit executables to run on 64-bit processors. The only thing that absolutely requires adaptation to the new processor is the OS, which is why these machines will ship with Mac OS X 10.2.7 (or later). 10.2.7 will allow the OS to run on the G5, but will likely not provide full support to some features, like 64-bit memory addressing; that will have to wait for Panther (Mac OS X 10.3).

Now, having said that, many applications will benefit from recompilation. newer compilers will be aware of the special features of the G5, and will be able to generate optimised code. Richard from Maxon said as much on the Postforum in the last couple of days...

Nick

[StefanB]

and the new mac is the faster personal computer i've ever seen.
'faster' reads correctly 'fastest', pardon :shrug:

I don't think so, but we will see. We have to wait for some independent tests.

Stefan

[DELTAadmin]

Catmull the quoted person said it word by word:

the new mac is fastest desktop i've ever seen

it is very important for us to see every pixel on the screen and actually the new power mac can do it (I think full res 2K work)

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another interesting thing:

there is only one pcbased system that can do it with spec hardver and software at the moment, this is cineboxx and costs 80.000 $

The most powerfull mac costs 2999 $, You can buy separately Shake 3.0 with about 3000 $, it sums up 6000 $. IT IS MUCH MORE COST EFFECTIVE, isn't it?

[StefanB]

Like I said before, we have to wait for some independent tests! :shame:

Did you read this (http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5) and this (http://www.amdzone.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1296) ?

there is only one pcbased system that can do it with spec hardver and software at the moment, this is cineboxx and costs 80.000 $

You are definitely wrong.

Stefan

[DELTAadmin]

I agree with the free expression of opinions, and really regret for the hate filled emais for the articles.

I think, whatever the truth is with numbers, Mac is a very good platform for creative artists.
I wish back the times when I used mac, but this year I was put opposite a P4 which is very fast, but produces very strange things, and I feel, that it is not finetuned to do creative art really effectively.
As to the power and speed, I am competent to give details only on dual G4 800. It created PS files with 350megs in some second under OSX, separated, heavily packed, runned two monitors at extremily high res with ease 3D apps on (Maya C4D, runned several apps symultaneously without breaking, I enjoyed C4D on Mac, on the PC I had to face some irritating problems: strange memory problems ('well' written apps?, the hardvare consists from chhosen parts), memory leakage, Slipping power when doing thigs simultaneously, no global Colorsync,

[Zion]

Marketing is hype. If you don't know that by now then you've being living under a rock your whole life. Yes Apple puts out tests that flatter their system. I would too and so would you.

As for the whole you vs me, my platform is better that your platform sqabbling. I am personally sick to death of it.

Mac isn't better than PC both have their advantages. Cinema 4D isn't better than Lightwave either for the same reasons.

Just use what ever feels best for you as an artist and do the best possible work with the tools you choose.

Sheesh.....

[DELTAadmin]

I do not agree with syncretism, that is to say that everything is on the some level, in this way u could tell that Maya is not better than Blender for example. True that it is hard to decide with objective rules on what is better to use in creative enviroments, but the life and work experinces surely testifyes something. And the mac lovism mentioned by me is not a single person experience, there are definitely great advantages for using macs rather than pcs. I do not make an idol of Mac, I use a Pc now, and at home since 1991, but always wished to use it at home also, but having no money I could not earn it tiil now.
A pc feels and behaves like a rhyno in a chine store, after u tasted the Mac. The Mac is built from the ground to serve as a graphics workstation.

I could list a lot of features whics is totally needful in creative enviroments and the are not present in the pcs, maximally in turnchased reminiscents, but they are in the Mac since ages.

I've read an article in a hungaryan PC mag, it devalves the Mac with knowing nothing, I could offend every sentence written in that.

Mac does not need to be defended by me, just learn how many percent of the creative artists use it day by day sice ages till now, and how many more aspire to invest in it.

I simple wanted to share with all the community a very good news.

[Zion]

Dude I'm a die-hard mac user myself since way back in the day. Have a G4 at work and at home as well as having just purchased an ibook for my gf. I'm the only one at work with a mac 'cos I refused to run windoze like the rest of the company.

Just bored as hell with the nitpicking I've had to hear since day one. And I'm tired of defending it. Especially when people start talking about benchmarks and 2 seconds here and 15% there.

All I know is that no one here at work can get a job done faster than I can.

My point is how much of that is down to the machine and how much is down to the user. And does it matter?

As long as we're all happy.

Oh and I think the G5 is the best news I've heard in about 10 years.

:applause:

[DELTAadmin]

ok, clered, thanx

[Erik Heyninck]

I am a PC user, and happy with my machine as it does what I want it to do and with a speed I like and am used to.

This said, I am extremely happy that mac is back. It was real sad to have to read that all those creative people working on mac had problems, not only with speed, but even with running Cinema on older puters. If they can invest the money, then they can buy a very good computer. It may well be the fastest at the moment, but hey: what's better: a Ferrarri or a Porsche or a Lamborghini, or... A reasonable working speed is all that matters.

Indeed: the testresults s will be a tad less impressive than what publicity shows us. Just like a car always consumes more that pspecified, and Intel exaggerated the speed gain of their hyperthreading. Jobs *is* a marketing wizard after all.

But the main point is that people who have been saving for this new comp can now buy one and feel the shivers going down their spine when working with their favourite apps.

So: yippee from this PC user to all his mac-friends, and I hope you all find the money to buy the best of the pack!:beer:

[pit]

Erik, couldn´t agree more!
I use both platforms daily. It´s only tools that help me get my jobs done. I don´t care if it´s Mac or Windows based, as long as I can deliver on time. Back to work!

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