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ApocGFX
06-24-2003, 02:14 AM
Well, after a lot of tweaking I'm finally satisfied with the result of my bike. Now I just have to work on getting the money required to actually build it...

Any comments and critiques are always welcome and appreciated.

Here goes:

http://www.apocgfx.com/images/gallery/Chopper1.jpg

And from another angle

http://www.apocgfx.com/images/gallery/Chopper2.jpg

I'm going to do some high resolution renderings of this from various angles within the next couple of days. Those, and wires if anyone cares to see them, can be posted upon request.

Regards,

Andrew

DeathGoth
06-24-2003, 03:58 AM
AHHHHHHHH NO REPLYS?????? are u people smoking something I am not... this is a HELL of a bike dude.... for real.... u should send this to a chopper mag or something... this shit is killer...... looks almost real... u need to put it into a real scene... then it will be KNOCK off badASS... but for real I like this bike alot... better than those p.o.s. foriegn bikes... like honda yamaha and the other one I cant remember... anyway ride on man...


::EDIT::

I just realized.... that is why there is no posts... I dont think anyone knows what a chopper is............ can I be ahh RIGHT....

ApocGFX
06-24-2003, 04:05 AM
Thanks for the reply DeathGoth :)

Maybe it would be a good idea for me to get the bike into a scene... Maybe a construction shop or some sort of nice scenery...

It would be really great to get featured in a magazine but I don't think it has a shot without some kind of background.

If all the responses I get on this are similar to yours, I'll have to get started on that pretty quick :)

Thanks again,

Andrew

DeathGoth
06-24-2003, 04:08 AM
maybe in a garage.... where these bikes are actually made... I dont think that these bikes are mass made.. like HD and the ones i mentioned above... these are all custom made... I think u should put it in a garage in someone house not a constuction shop... plus a garage will be easier.... anyway np man I always liked this bikes next to Indain and HD....

::EDIT:: HD = Harley Daviston

Shotty
06-24-2003, 04:25 AM
The first thing that jumped out at me was how small the tank is,

secondly, the support bars looks quite thin.

And thirdly, the metal parts (the shiny parts) looks distorted, maybe even grainy :s

Orbitronio
06-24-2003, 04:33 AM
Originally posted by Shotty
The first thing that jumped out at me was how small the tank is,

secondly, the support bars looks quite thin.

And thirdly, the metal parts (the shiny parts) looks distorted, maybe even grainy :s
Ditto, other than that it looks perfect. Did you use some blueprints or just pictures? if so please post them :thumbsup:

Sceme
06-24-2003, 06:15 AM
i think everything is abit too reflective, and the flame on that seat looks bad guality. I like the model itself, has alot details on it, but that render takes it away for now...may we see the wire and a mesh?

ApocGFX
06-24-2003, 07:19 PM
I'm not understanding what you mean by the reflective parts being grainy... I already asked about this when it looked like this:

http://www.rit.edu/~ajz2895/chrome.jpg

And I was told to turn on Max 2.5 Star for the chrome material... Looks to me like it's fixed... could someone point out where it is not??

Also, how should the tank be bigger??? I can't go much bigger lengthwise, so should I make it wider and maybe taller???

For the seat, the only way I knew of to do a good imprint of a flame like that was to use a flame displacement map. If I lowered the poly count on the seat any further, it looks even worse. So I'm at a loss for how to improve that one...

To be honest this is my first rendering that is coming even remotely close to looking real, so if any of you that had crits could elaborate more on what I should do, that'd be great. I only know how to do where I am now, nothing more advanced

But I guess there's no other way to learn right???

Thanks for all the replies and crits, hopefully in a little while I can do a better rendering of it that makes everyone happy... heh...

Wireframe:

http://www.apocgfx.com/images/gallery/wireframe.jpg

Regards,

Andrew

ApocGFX
06-24-2003, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by Orbitronio
Ditto, other than that it looks perfect. Did you use some blueprints or just pictures? if so please post them :thumbsup:

Just pictures I found around the net and motorcycle parts catalogs I have laying around the house... the huge 500 page ones :)

chach
06-24-2003, 09:18 PM
That bike rocks! Fine work.
Yeah dude you need to make models of custom tanks and then figure out how to use stereolitho to produce 'em!

ApocGFX
06-26-2003, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by chach
That bike rocks! Fine work.
Yeah dude you need to make models of custom tanks and then figure out how to use stereolitho to produce 'em!

Hmm... My books don't really have tanks with good enough angles to produce by eye... do you have any examples on the web perhaps??

Rey
06-26-2003, 10:12 PM
That is one hell of a ride.
I love the details and the west coast choppers air filter.
I want that bike!
Is this design completly yours?(besides the logo)
:drool:

Nedim_S
06-26-2003, 10:17 PM
It's too hard to drive it.

muki
06-27-2003, 01:11 AM
It looks like something Jessy James on TLC's Monster Garage would ride. excellent redering

chach
06-27-2003, 02:23 AM
http://www.paulyaffeoriginals.com/main.htm
http://www.paulyaffeoriginals.com/pyo-catalog_sheet-chpprtank.htm
http://www.paulyaffeoriginals.com/images/cat-sheet-zombietank.jpg
http://www.calchoppers.com/Prowler09.jpg
http://www.roadratroberts1.bravepages.com/images/PANHEAD%20CHOPPER%20PRIMARY.jpg
http://www.panzerusa.com/images/Models/the%20BRM%20Chopper/DSC00420-tank.jpg
http://www.kennedyschopper.com/fueltanks/ec1592.jpg
http://www.paramountcycles.com/images/brett4.jpghttp://www.comoco.net/2002TXchoppersilverbluecrimflames.3282tank.jpg
print out your model:
http://home.att.net/~castleisland/sl.htm
http://www.nitc.qub.ac.uk/divs/adc-sla.htm
http://web.media.mit.edu/~ewilhelm/pedagogy/2001-10-01_fab_class/
http://ctas.east.asu.edu/russb/MET345_Lab_Work.htm
there's all kinds of wild fabrication machines. I've got a buddy that 'burns' rims into blanks from the specs from the factory as aftermarket with a dremel tool and CAD. As far as I know, you've got to model in alias (not MAYA, but its predecessor), because the software has to handle volumes very precisely. 3dsmax, for instance, does not. (you can convert the model, of course)
you could even use your splines to create decal masks & print 'em out in vinyl...to airbrush with. people pay for that, btw.
dood, watch discovery channel "choppers". <heh>
seriously, though, it's possible. get the process down and call me ;)

ApocGFX
06-28-2003, 04:52 AM
Originally posted by Rey
That is one hell of a ride.
I love the details and the west coast choppers air filter.
I want that bike!
Is this design completly yours?(besides the logo)
:drool:

The design is completely mine. It is based off of, as you and muki very impressively caught, the El Diablo frame from WCC. And I want this bike too heheh... VERY badly...

Chach: Thanks a ton for the pics man... I'm going to use my findings to improve my bike.

Regards,

Andrew

t-man152
06-28-2003, 05:05 AM
WOW.
I can acieve that kind of quality. just get me a $5000 camera with one of those $8000 lenses the bike( get someone to make it) edit it a little to make it look better and thats it. Same quality.

also rong forum. you cant put perfect work in a critique forum. its no nice for the people who want to help people by critsizing their work.

you shure you didnt just take a picture with a very good camera and then edited it in photoshop to make it look like wireframe?
bravo :applause: :thumbsup: :applause:

djtrig
06-28-2003, 08:49 AM
OK... I am by no an artist of your quality, however I build ALOT of bikes and there are a few things you might want to consider. First thing that got me was the cylinder heads, I like the look of the flat top, but (and it might just be me) where are the plugs? Where are the carbs? Also, there is something that just does not look quite right up where the frame downtubes join at the top (behind the tripple clamps) There might be an issue with the levers, I might rotate them up just a touch for functionality. As for the seat... look up the "gunfighter" seat by corbin, might give you some ideas...also, how is the ft. fender mounted??? I know these are just little things, and they are prob. nothing... just my thoughts... let me know if this helps. Other than that this thing looks great, like others I like the W.C.C. logo and I like the "air brush" work on the rear fender... looks like the real bikes. GREAT JOB

ApocGFX
07-02-2003, 11:16 PM
t-man152: heh thanks a lot :) If you have the money for the camera and the lens, let's just use that to build the bike and then we can take a picture of it with some shoddy disposable camera... hehe

Djtrig: Thanks for the input. One of my friends knows a little bit about bikes so I was picking his brain on some things for realism along with the books I had, but the input of someone who actually builds them is most welcome and appreciated. Seeing how I've been gone for a week or so, it might be a good time to put all the suggestions to use and put out a rendering.

Regards,

Andrew

Signal2Noise
07-02-2003, 11:24 PM
I'm not sure what kind of end result you're after but...

To me it doesn't look realistic at all. It reminds me more of a bike you'd build from one of those plastic model kits:shrug:

A MacVey
07-03-2003, 01:08 AM
i've been obsessed with choppers for the past 3 months so lemme give you my two cents. The front in is WAY to skinny for a single bar, there are some front ends who have a bar that skinny but they have a second, with the shocks at the top.

It doesnt look like the front fender is attached to the front end.

I think the handle bars should curve back slightly just for added comfort.

I think the front of the tank should come down slightly below the frame bar.


just some suggestions so far

ApocGFX
07-04-2003, 12:07 AM
How could you possibly say that this "doesn't look realistic at all" with all the obvious time that's in it and compared to other work on here that is very well commended?

Not gonna want to make me show any of my future work...

Rey
07-04-2003, 05:07 AM
The better your work the more critics out there want to put in thier 2 cents.
This chopper kicks @ss.
Keep posting.

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