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[Konic]

Oh man I really am tempted.Thanx for the reminder.:beer:

[SheepFactory]

why is it $9000 for linux while $4500 for osx?

[show]

cause linux users get away without paying for jack shit :P bout time they made up for it heheheh

[Array]

Originally posted by Sheep Factory
why is it $9000 for linux while $4500 for osx?

the same reason we dont have bmrt or entropy anymore :annoyed:

anyone who says Microsoft's business practices are evil REALLY needs to look a bit more into Steve Jobs' recent practices.

[show]

all he did was make it a lot cheaper for apple users ?
hasnt the linux price gone down qutie a bit infact ?
apple hardware costs a rediculous amount of money anyway so its no wonder that they drop the price of a lot of osx software to make up for it.

[MelC]

Someone looking to hand me a few thosand?;) Ok I quess not.:p

[Per-Anders]

before this descends into the same stupid argument every time shake comes up

1) Apple did not double the price for Shake for Linux, instead they halved the price for OSX. If you weren't going to buy it for OSX in the first place, then why complain that it's cheaper there? That's Apples own interest, they haven't changed anything as far as you are concerned.

2) The Apple stopping the Windows version of Shake debate... windows accounted for a tiny fraction of the Shake user-base at the time Apple bought Shake. For the same reason XSI and Max aren't on Mac, Apple reasoned why have Shake on Windows.

Ok, can we now continue without the standard flames and stupidity otherwise this thread should be closed immediately as it will just go round and round the same arguments that seem to come up in every thread that starts off about Shake or Apple and is promptly hijacked on CG Talk as per usual because of the high level of professionalism on this board.

[Array]

Originally posted by mdme_sadie
before this descends into the same stupid argument every time shake comes up

1) Apple did not double the price for Shake for Linux, instead they halved the price for OSX. If you weren't going to buy it for OSX in the first place, then why complain that it's cheaper there? That's Apples own interest, they haven't changed anything as far as you are concerned.

2) The Apple stopping the Windows version of Shake debate... windows accounted for a tiny fraction of the Shake user-base at the time Apple bought Shake. For the same reason XSI and Max aren't on Mac, Apple reasoned why have Shake on Windows.

Ok, can we now continue without the standard flames and stupidity otherwise this thread should be closed immediately as it will just go round and round the same arguments that seem to come up in every thread that starts off about Shake or Apple and is promptly hijacked on CG Talk as per usual because of the high level of professionalism on this board.

but doesnt that come across as being even SLIGHTLY anti-competitive to you? Thats the same thing if intel bought a large share of microsoft stock and suddenly decided to say "windows is going to be half price for intel systems, AMD customers have to pay full price".

EDIT:

Your statement pertaining to max and xsi isnt very valid either, since those programs were never available for Mac OS in the first place. Plus, Microsoft doesnt own Softimage anymore, and it never owned Discreet. It's not like there is some alterior motive to keep those applications on windows and *nix boxes only.

[RockinAkin]

Originally posted by Array
the same reason we dont have bmrt or entropy anymore :annoyed:

anyone who says Microsoft's business practices are evil REALLY needs to look a bit more into Steve Jobs' recent practices.
So when are we going to start the hunger strike outside of Apple headquarters, Array?

"WE WANT ENTROPY!!! - WE WANT NT SHAKE!!!"

:D

-DivideByZero-

[Array]

Originally posted by DivideByZero
So when are we going to start the hunger strike outside of Apple headquarters, Array?

"WE WANT ENTROPY!!! - WE WANT NT SHAKE!!!"

:D

-DivideByZero-

only after lerpie does the deed.

[Per-Anders]

*sigh* So once again here we go into the same old debate. I motion all threads pertaining to Shake, Apple, or Microsoft be closed instantly after the first post from here on in, seeing as peoples oppinions on these matters are always "Apple sucks" "M$ sucks" regardless of actual topic for discussion, and the fact that it's always the same old arguments that have appeared in every single thread before. I really can see no place for these threads and this behaviour on cg-talk, instead just have a sticky thread at the top with links to previous flame-wars... please.

[syntetik]

I´m disgusted by all that shit around apple company. I was quite glad that Steve Jobs helped Apple to come back because it was good for the competition. But what´s going on now is an attempt to force people to use Macs. And that´s another reason for me not to use them when they sell their products with this kind of policy "mac or nothing".

[dmeyer]

Sigh... :sad:

I second mdme_sadie's motion. I guess next time I will keep my mouth shut about CG related news.

[BiTMAP]

what is the equvilant of shake for PC? Just wondring, and you know if you REALLY want to use SHAKE so damn bad buy your self a mac and use it their.. that IS mac's strong point (video editing and composition) and they do have some right to defend it.

[Array]

Originally posted by BiTMAP
what is the equvilant of shake for PC? Just wondring, and you know if you REALLY want to use SHAKE so damn bad buy your self a mac and use it their.. that IS mac's strong point (video editing and composition) and they do have some right to defend it.

Shake was available for windows until Apple bought it.

[Velly]

I`m a 3D animator working at a postproduction company in Amsterdam. I`m the only PC user in the middle of a bunch of Mac fanatics...
I think this whole Shake thing just shows that Apple is a company just like Microsoft. The only thing they want is to sell their product. By killing the MS version they force new users to use the Mac platform, and by still supporting a linux version (at the old high price) they avoid a riot from starting at compies like Weta that use loads of copies of Shake in a renderfarm situation. My guess is that the linux version will also be discontinued soon.

Please stop defending Apple, they are a big company and the only thing they`re interested in is making money (just like MS), not saving the world. Simple as that. It`s their right to use any means they can find.
They also bought Emagic (logic audio) and killed the MS version, and they did the same with Silicon Grail.

I don`t like it, but I think this is what`s bound to happen if a hardware manufacturer buys a software company.

[beaker]

Originally posted by Velly
Please stop defending Apple, they are a big company and the only thing they`re interested in is making money (just like MS), not saving the world. Simple as that. It`s their right to use any means they can find. My guess is that the linux version will also be discontinued soon.

Please stop defending Apple, they are a big company and the only thing they`re interested in is making money (just like MS), not saving the world. Simple as that. It`s their right to use any means they can find.
They also bought Emagic (logic audio) and killed the MS version, and they did the same with Silicon Grail.
It's called capitalism and it's the way of the world. If you don't like it then you might as well not buy or use any software out there. 99% of all companies out there are out to make money and maximize profits in any means possible. Otherwise they wouldnt have gotten into the business in the first place. Might as well not defend or support any software company according to you. Every company is guilty of this and all of them have done something like this at sometime in their history:

Avid/Softimage (Matador, Elastic Reality and Illusion all very good products were sadly neglected for many years with little updates untill they killed all their avid SGI products, especially after they bought up Softimage and wanted people to pay more money and buy a DS system),

Discreet(purchased all of 5d's assets, dug a deep hole and buried them because they were making products that did a better job on cheaper hardware, even threatend any company that was interested in buying 5d assets with lame ass "possible" IP conflict lawsuit),

A/W(Alias killed off Wavefront and TDI Explore after aquiring them, luckily they didnt burry it and did use alot of the technology in maya, but there was a 4 year lapse between those products being killed and Maya comming out).

I could go on, but I think you get the point. All companies are evil and in the end are interested in money. It is a necessary evil of the world and a fact of life.

BTW, apple canned all versions of Silicon Grail, even the OSX version. You make it sound like they only killed the windows version.

[Ckerr812]

I think the main factor that gets lost in a board like this, is that most people are here because they are passionate about 3D, but forget that the bottom line is, it's a buisness. Even more cold hearted is that the software industry is a corporate buisness, and anyone in the corporate world knows, it's cut throat, dog eat dog and so on...

Seriously, I love Shake and always have, but I do know that Apple dosen't give a shit about compositing, they just want to make money, and needed on the systems because they wanted to appear like they compete in the High end software market.

Anyways, point of my rant is, bottom line is always money, if shake dosen't make apple money, they will dump it like 2 week old cheese on garbage day.

[Velly]

>It's called capitalism and it's the way of the world. If you don't like it then you might as well not buy or use any software out there. 99% of all companies out there are out to make money and maximize profits in any means possible.<

Hmm I think I was not clear enough `cause that is exactly what I tried to say. With "stop defending Apple" I meant that Apple is doing a normal thing here for a business trying to sell more of their product. (even when it`s not a nice thing to PC and Linux users) So Apple supporters don`t have to make up excuses for it. That`s all :-)

>BTW, apple canned all versions of Silicon Grail, even the OSX version. You make it sound like they only killed the windows version.<

Yes well, the same goes for this part: Apple didn`t buy Sillicon grail, because they thought those products were evil and should be destroyed. They bought it because they were interested in the technology and wanted to incorporate it into their own products (like shake...). Business as usual...

[syntetik]

:scream:

oh no, this is all insane! I´m going to gather few programmers and make my own 2D and 3D proprietary software and corporates may go to hell! :buttrock:

(whas this naive enough?)

[Dan Wade]

Someone mentioned above that max and xsi were not out on MAC. But, the issue here is that Shake unlike those two apps doesn't have to be built for brand new platforms, Shake was already out for Windows, so updating Shake to V3 would need just as little work as doing the Mac version.

The fact is, if Apple was ok with keeping the PC version running, they could make loads of money still. The PC version of shake had a hell of alot more licences out there than MAC. So Jobs isn't even doing this to get more money, as they must be loosing quite abit my dumping the PC version.

This sucks. :thumbsdow

[Saurus]

Originally posted by Dan Wade
The fact is, if Apple was ok with keeping the PC version running, they could make loads of money still. The PC version of shake had a hell of alot more licences out there than MAC. So Jobs isn't even doing this to get more money, as they must be loosing quite abit my dumping the PC version.

This sucks. :thumbsdow

I think Job wanted companies with window version of Shake to move to Apple if they want to continue using the 2d program. This gives him revenue not only from the softwares, but also hardwares and all of those misc services needed to keep a computer alive. Also, when you got a room full of Macs, why not use the machine to do your 3D and/or editing. It's all about money!!

[syntetik]

well, guys, we don´t have SHAKE for Windows - but still we have QUAKE!!! :buttrock:

[BiTMAP]

Originally posted by syntetik
well, guys, we don´t have SHAKE for Windows - but still we have QUAKE!!! :buttrock:

its funny because thats what i read when i clicked the email that i got from your reply lol.

However I'm not a quake man myself

This shake sounds kinda interesting I do wish thar was a PC version, oh well.

[ages]

Originally posted by syntetik
I´m disgusted by all that shit around apple company. I was quite glad that Steve Jobs helped Apple to come back because it was good for the competition. But what´s going on now is an attempt to force people to use Macs. And that´s another reason for me not to use them when they sell their products with this kind of policy "mac or nothing".

Funny thing is MS has been doing that for years...
See PC ppl dont see the biasness we mac users cop.
How do u think we felt when MS threatened to stop office for macs if we didnt pack in I.E on the system cd's.

Also any app that Apple touches is for the better, look what they did for DV compared to the sloth years of premiere compared to apples FCP.
What Apple does is take an App make it more friendlier and cheaper.
Same cant be said for MS and softimage.
Apple will buy out SGI sooner or later and do the same for maya.

[Dan Wade]

Originally posted by ages
Apple will buy out SGI sooner or later and do the same for maya.

Well, i hope that day never comes. I can imagine Apple trying though, as its the sort of thing im sure they would try. All the best 3d video cards wont even work on the Mac.

The fact is Shake came out on PC first. The majority of licences out there were for PC. So by making this move of dumping the PC version just dont even make financial sense.

[Per-Anders]

Originally posted by Dan Wade
Well, i hope that day never comes. I can imagine Apple trying though, as its the sort of thing im sure they would try. All the best 3d video cards wont even work on the Mac.

The fact is Shake came out on PC first. The majority of licences out there were for PC. So by making this move of dumping the PC version just dont even make financial sense.

ahem, the fact is there still is the same PC version that all the licences were out there for.. i.e. Linux. The vast majority of licences were not nor were they ever Windows. this is one of the factors behind the move to cease development on the Windows OS. however believe what you will.

[Milho]

Hey you still got digital fusion (until crApple buys eyeon) [I may say crap because I'm writing this msg from one, just at work :p ]
And after all I can't understand this NT debate.....because I use Linux now.

Know what, eyeon is porting Digital Fusion to Linux :bounce:

Keep your heads up and don't fall into the dark side of OS-Wars.....:thumbsup:

[syntetik]

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Funny thing is MS has been doing that for years...
See PC ppl dont see the biasness we mac users cop.
How do u think we felt when MS threatened to stop office for macs if we didnt pack in I.E on the system cd's.
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I´m not some Microsoft fan, I know it´s the same shit. But I was just planning to try what Shake can do, because I´ve heard much about it and just I saw these bad news about stopping MS version permanently. this made me angry of course.
Also I don´t have much good experience with Macs from the university where I was studing. Macs were slower and more expensive than PCs. Plus that idio-mouse with just 1-button! How did they fix this in Maya? Somebody knows? :p
And since I don´t live in U.S. I have to consider more than just how beatiful and colorful these cases are :) I even don´t know where I would go with my MAC out of order, because there is maybe one service in town opposed to hundreds of people around who can fix anything in PC for no prize. Why should I waste my money for "a horse with golden teeth"? :p

[Milho]

Originally posted by syntetik
...Plus that idio-mouse with just 1-button! How did they fix this in Maya? Somebody knows? :p...

Don't make fun of it, I have here only 1 button ;)

And don't forget about the "no-we-don't-use-crtl-we-have-our-own-useless"-apple key
It 'uxx even more than the windows key (I don't need at Linux)

Ahhh sorry I'll shut my mouth before the mac users answer and we got war again....sorry forget what I wrote....:shame:

[Marc Andreoli]

Originally posted by Milho
Don't make fun of it, I have here only 1 button ;)

And don't forget about the "no-we-don't-use-crtl-we-have-our-own-useless"-apple key
It 'uxx even more than the windows key (I don't need at Linux)

Ahhh sorry I'll shut my mouth before the mac users answer and we got war again....sorry forget what I wrote....:shame:

well then go buy a 3 button mouse, for crying out loud, and stop complaining !!! They are not exactly 'expensive'.
Ah, kids nowadays...

;)

[syntetik]

well then go buy a 3 button mouse, for crying out loud, and stop complaining !!! They are not exactly 'expensive'.

what? 3-button mouse for Mac?? you´re the first man who says this. but I know you´re joking or you missed the line. show me where can I buy such a mouse for MAC. Maybe they´re using it at ISS station on Earth´s orbit as a Steve Job´s secret project "Eating apples in space!".
:buttrock: :p

[Marc Andreoli]

pretty much any USB mouse works on a mac...

Logitec mac compatible mice (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm?page=products%2Fproductlist_action&CRID=19&countryid=19&languageid=1&SelectFeature=5065)

[betelgeuse]

Originally posted by syntetik
what? 3-button mouse for Mac?? you´re the first man who says this. but I know you´re joking or you missed the line. show me where can I buy such a mouse for MAC. Maybe they´re using it at ISS station on Earth´s orbit as a Steve Job´s secret project "Eating apples in space!".
:buttrock: :p

Oh for Pete's sake, there's plenty of cheap alternate mice for the mac if you don't like the one supplied (as pointed out above). Better yet, buy an Intuous 2 wacom pen (or the even cheaper Graphire) and get a cordless 3 button mouse thrown in for free (middle scroll wheel serves as the 3rd button).

[syntetik]

:eek: OK, well, so it´s not so bad. But I didn´t heard about that all. Many people doesn´t know that. ;)

[syntetik]

by the way, nice 3d work with Wings. The whales are cool, like the water in it ;)

[Gentle Fury]

well before this thread is killed i would like to say............

to minimize user base is not to maximize profit, plain and simple..........they dont care about the software only the hardware......if they could (without completely destroying the market) they would say, ok shake is free with the purchase of a $10k workstation. Its all about monopolization and soon there will be 4 corporations running the world, Micrsosoft, Apple, Walmart and Starbucks............and everyone will just have to deal with the inferior crap that is dumped on the market, because that is all yer getting!! Horray capitalism and the abolishment of anti-monopoly standards!!

oh yeah, and i am all for the celery issue at hand!

[syntetik]

>> Gentle Fury

hey, what is your avatar from? it reminds me the beautiful PIXAR short about a snowman, Knick Knack!

[Marc Andreoli]

Originally posted by Gentle Fury
well before this thread is killed i would like to say............

to minimize user base is not to maximize profit, plain and simple..........they dont care about the software only the hardware......if they could (without completely destroying the market) they would say, ok shake is free with the purchase of a $10k workstation. Its all about monopolization and soon there will be 4 corporations running the world, Micrsosoft, Apple, Walmart and Starbucks............and everyone will just have to deal with the inferior crap that is dumped on the market, because that is all yer getting!! Horray capitalism and the abolishment of anti-monopoly standards!!

oh yeah, and i am all for the celery issue at hand!

If Microsoft is one of those evil 'taking over the world' corporations, then why do you care for a Windows version of Shake ? Apple kept the development for the Linux version, remember. This is about as 'anti-monopoly standard' as it gets...

[Gentle Fury]

Originally posted by Marc Andreoli
If Microsoft is one of those evil 'taking over the world' corporations, then why do you care for a Windows version of Shake ? Apple kept the development for the Linux version, remember. This is about as 'anti-monopoly standard' as it gets...

because, unfortunatly adobe and MS have a thing together and you are forced to use MS or Apple for that reason.........i hate apple (software terrorism and hardware price gouging sux), so i am stuck with windows for my 2d needs...........so that means in order for me to continue using shake i would have to move to a windows/linux setup................oh yeah and there is no mental ray for maya in linux.........

so no i dont use windows because i want to......it further enforces my point.

and my avatar was from an animated xmas card i made a few years back..............and yes Knick Knack was my inspiration :)

[Marc Andreoli]

LOL
you hate Apple, you don't want to use windows but you have to and you wouldn't use Linux because it doesn't run the software you'd like. You certainly live in a CG world of pain...;)

[noisewar]

so I've got this hot dog stand... but the burrito shop next door tells me to try their burrito recipe. Well, I start making a killer burrito and I figure out I can sell it for half price! With extra cheese!

Holy crap so I'm major excited, and start adding burritos to the menu and no one wants to eat at the shop next door. How does that make me a food yakuza? Sharing my burrito recipe isn't going to feed my kids, you morons.

And most importantly, has anyone asked the BURRITO!?!? The burrito doesn't like the business over at the burrito shop since people only go over their to get those saucy tacos anyways. Bastard tacos, vamos a matar los tacos.

Hey, if the burrito says it'd rather taste good over at my hot dog stand, that's business. It's not like I held a gun to its head and threatened to blow its guacamole out.

Yeah, I could charge more for my burritos, but when people come in they say "damn, I sure could eat some hotdogs, but I'd like some burritos first." And I say "well heck yeah, if you're gonna buy hotdogs too, then I'll give ya burritos for half off!" And they go "hell yeah!"

I think alot of the stupid teens come in and say "Man, I gotta drive all the way out here just to get burritos half price? What a hot dog tyrant." Well don't eat them then! It's not like the older burrito recipes elsewhere are that much worse, what are you a frickin' burrito connoisseur? Have you mastered the art of burrito eating? Bad for your health anyways, quit complaining. And order combo #3 while you're at it.

[Array]

Originally posted by noisewar
so I've got this hot dog stand... but the burrito shop next door tells me to try their burrito recipe. Well, I start making a killer burrito and I figure out I can sell it for half price! With extra cheese!

Holy crap so I'm major excited, and start adding burritos to the menu and no one wants to eat at the shop next door. How does that make me a food yakuza? Sharing my burrito recipe isn't going to feed my kids, you morons.

And most importantly, has anyone asked the BURRITO!?!? The burrito doesn't like the business over at the burrito shop since people only go over their to get those saucy tacos anyways. Bastard tacos, vamos a matar los tacos.

Hey, if the burrito says it'd rather taste good over at my hot dog stand, that's business. It's not like I held a gun to its head and threatened to blow its guacamole out.

Yeah, I could charge more for my burritos, but when people come in they say "damn, I sure could eat some hotdogs, but I'd like some burritos first." And I say "well heck yeah, if you're gonna buy hotdogs too, then I'll give ya burritos for half off!" And they go "hell yeah!"

I think alot of the stupid teens come in and say "Man, I gotta drive all the way out here just to get burritos half price? What a hot dog tyrant." Well don't eat them then! It's not like the older burrito recipes elsewhere are that much worse, what are you a frickin' burrito connoisseur? Have you mastered the art of burrito eating? Bad for your health anyways, quit complaining. And order combo #3 while you're at it.

nice metaphor :beer:

[Joviex]

Originally posted by Gentle Fury
....... Its all about monopolization and soon there will be 4 corporations running the world, Micrsosoft, Apple, Walmart and Starbucks............

I am not really sure about Apple in that list. Most people don't know this, but Apple does seem to threaten me by any long shot considering it only holds 15-20% of the PC market.

Not very penetrating if you ask me.

I think Subway would work well on that list though. They now have more Subways in the US than MacDonalds. And a total of 18,876 in 72 countries. That is damn scary --- seeing Jared everywhere that is.

[silvergun]

whoops

[beaker]

Originally posted by Gentle Fury
oh yeah and there is no mental ray for maya in linux.........
Mental Ray has been availble for Linux for 9 months. Where have you been? :)

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