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sebek27
06-18-2003, 05:36 PM
which book do you recommend:
Inside LW 7
Visual Quickstart Guide
Essential Lightwave 7.5

i know the basics of lightwave and want to learn more about lighting, texturing, animating etc
thanks

Triple G
06-18-2003, 06:50 PM
I don't know about the other two, but you can't go wrong with Inside LW 7. Great book...I learned quite a bit from it. It's like LW's second manual. :beer:

Remi
06-18-2003, 07:00 PM
I would get books specific for each of those....there's a bunch of books on lighting theory, I believe Leigh's book will be out soon for texturing, and the Animator's Survival Kit is a must have for animation. That's what I would recommend...you said you know the basics...and that's about all those books will show you already...so why not get books that will have a bit more information...that's what I would do.:thumbsup:

Captain
06-18-2003, 07:05 PM
I have inside lightwave seven and it is fantastic. It, as Triple G said, is like a second manual (and a thiker one at that) It covers the how toos of lightwaves greatest features and has alot of info. It also incorporates some of Dan Ablans experience into some of the explanations, like why Field rendering is good for broadcast animations etc. It covers the very simple (hair usage, realistic human modeling and lighting) to the very complex(Motion Capture data usage, Soft body dynamics like cloth, and expressions). It also has a great CD. I usually consult this book before my lightwave manual acutally.

-Captain

Triple G
06-18-2003, 07:25 PM
Here's a sampling of some of the books on my desk. I would highly recommend the following:

All-purpose Lightwave: Inside Lightwave 7 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735711348/qid%3D1055961187/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/104-8332504-1227120)
Texturing: Digital Texturing and Painting (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735709181/qid%3D1055961256/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/104-8332504-1227120)
Lighting/Rendering: Digital Lighting and Rendering (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1562059548/ref=pd_bxgy_text_1/104-8332504-1227120?v=glance&s=books&st=*)
Animation: Lightwave 3D 7 Character Animation (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1556229011/qid%3D1055961386/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/104-8332504-1227120)
The Animator's Survival Kit (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0571202284/qid=1055961437/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-8332504-1227120?v=glance&s=books)
The Illusion of Life (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0786860707/ref=pd_sim_books_1/104-8332504-1227120?v=glance&s=books)
Digital Character Animation (Vol. 1&2) (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1562059300/qid=1055961547/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/104-8332504-1227120?v=glance&s=books)

eagleice
06-18-2003, 07:35 PM
sry for hijacking the thread :p , but i also have a question about which book i should get. I'm currently reading Inside Lightwave, and want to go into modeling. Is there any good book that can be recommended, or should i do some online tuts. (I would love to have a book, because im lazy and dont want to search the web)

books :drool:

btw: sebek27, buy inside. Has helped me a lot.

proton
06-18-2003, 07:37 PM
for beginners I'd say the Essential guide is the best bet.....IMHO!

But all the books are worth having and you will learn from all of them!

Zarathustra
06-18-2003, 07:47 PM
I would think it best to wait and see what LW 8 is like. Could be that things are added/changed that make passages of those books obsolete.

Ablan will have his Inside LW8 out sometime after the release, right? How long, I don't know.
I would certainly put that book at the top of the list.
I would guess those books are coming down in price since 8 is due? Hopefully there are a lot of big additions. Inside LW7 wasn't much different then Inside LW6, at least for me.

Remi
06-18-2003, 07:50 PM
I should have a tutorial on modeling a character out soon in pdf format and it will get posted here and a few other sites. Be on the look out for it....it'll be pretty detailed and hopefully helpful for begininng and advanced users. Working on it currently, thinking it should be done by the end of this week.:)

Dreamwave
06-18-2003, 08:28 PM
definatly Inside Lightwave

pelos
06-18-2003, 08:30 PM
remi i will be waiting for the tutorial!!!
always no matter if the tutorial are about the same topic, each one always have new trick,
:bounce:

eagleice
06-18-2003, 08:41 PM
cool remi...can u pm me? nevertheless i think it would be plugged.

and btw: thanks for sharing :beer:

Insider
06-18-2003, 09:46 PM
I would guess those books are coming down in price since 8 is due? Hopefully there are a lot of big additions. Inside LW7 wasn't much different then Inside LW6, at least for me.

Glad you like the INSIDE book!

Although, except for the head modeling, I'm not sure how you can say that Inside 7 is not different than Inside 6. Aside from it being 300 pages larger, the tutorials are new, and more detailed. There's a full plug-in list, motion capture, all kinds of stuff...

Anyway. Inside LightWave 8 will be out as soon as possible.

I'm working on it, as well as LIGHTWAVE 8 KILLER TIPS with Randy Sharp as co-author.

Thanks,
Dan

WChestnutt
06-18-2003, 10:02 PM
sebek, are you moving over to lw??

hoefully i'm going to be writing a tutorial on point by point modeling a car soon, if you are moving over from c4d or getting lw as well, then you might be intereted in it.

dont know what the books are like though.

Good luck,

Will

aurora
06-18-2003, 10:02 PM
Inside is a must have in my opinion. Another one I like because it hit on texturing fairly heavily was LightWave Applied. I also liked Jen's (celshader) character rigging chapter. I'll confess though that I never read that chapter till Jen challeneged me to do so. Thanks Jen!

Insider, details on 'LIGHTWAVE 8 KILLER TIPS'. Please, pretty please!:drool:

proton
06-18-2003, 10:09 PM
I say get them all....you can never have enuff learning material!:thumbsup:

Insider
06-18-2003, 10:16 PM
LightWave Killer Tips?

Sure thing -
300 pages of killer tips for LightWave.
Check out:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/ref=dp_sr_00/104-4130659-5958330

To see all of the Killer Tips books (created by Scott Kelby) such
as Photoshop Killer Tips, Dreamweaver Killer Tips, and more.
LightWave, I'm proud to say, will be the FIRST Killer Tips book for a 3D application. TAKE THAT Maya! :)

Although, I know a Maya Killer Tips is in the works after the LW one... :_)

Dan

sebek27
06-19-2003, 12:36 AM
unknown limit: no i will be buying C4D soon and i might get LW in the future, right now learning both from the demo versions... I like both apps a lot and want to learn all I can about both of them

gruvsyco
06-19-2003, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by Remi
I should have a tutorial on modeling a character out soon in pdf format and it will get posted here and a few other sites. Be on the look out for it....it'll be pretty detailed and hopefully helpful for begininng and advanced users. Working on it currently, thinking it should be done by the end of this week.:)

Sounds really cool to me. :thumbsup:

gruvsyco
06-19-2003, 01:48 AM
Oh... yeah some book suggestions too....


General skills:
Digital Lighting & Rendering (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1562059548/qid=1055983528/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-9883738-1857449?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) by Jeremy Birn (he also happens to post on CGTalk)

The Animator's Survival Kit (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0571202284/qid=1055983634/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-9883738-1857449?v=glance&s=books) by Richard Williams (of Who Framed Roger Rabbit fame)

The Illusion of Life: Disney Animation (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0786860707/qid=1055983691/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-9883738-1857449?v=glance&s=books) by Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston. Like Disney or not, these guys were key in the development of animation as we know it. People will probably use some if not all of their techniques until the end of time.


Lightwave specific:
Inside LightWave 7 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735711348/qid=1055983817/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-9883738-1857449) by Dan Ablan (posting here as Insider) I originally bought it because the cover looked really cool and it was Lightwave... actually some really good stuff inside.

Lightwave Applied, Version 6.5 & 7 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/092987059X/qid=1055984446/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/103-9883738-1857449?v=glance&s=books) by Dave Jerrard, Joe Tracy and Hennifer Hachigian (posts as Celshader on here) I bought this one specifically for the stuff by Celshader but, the sections on texturing are really good too.

Insider
06-19-2003, 03:10 AM
While you're talking about general skills, I have a book out to compliment Jeremy's Digital Lighting. Digital Cinematography & Directing is for general 3D camera work.

Thanks.

gruvsyco
06-19-2003, 03:14 AM
LOL... been looking for that one at the local B&N. I had no idea that was your book (sometimes, l leave the lights out of my scene, if you know what I mean ;) ). Very Cool.

pelos
06-19-2003, 03:16 AM
is this killer tip books, a recovery of tips, from the forum?
i remeber a topic in the old lw site, i dont know if was here too, with tips about all kind

gruvsyco
06-19-2003, 03:21 AM
Digital Cinematography & Directing (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0735712581/qid=1055989781/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-9883738-1857449?v=glance&s=books&n=507846#product-details) by Dan Ablan

Digital Texturing & Painting (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0735709181/ref=pd_sim_books_1/103-9883738-1857449?v=glance&s=books) by Owen Demers, Christine Urszenyl and George Maestri

The 2 other books in New Riders [Digital] series that I know of. I have not seen either of these books personally but I have heard good things about them.

Insider
06-19-2003, 03:27 AM
is this killer tip books, a recovery of tips, from the forum?

No way. Randy and I are writing them now. They are from our own years of LightWave usage, trial, and error.

As for Digital books, it's a great series from New Riders:

Digital Character Animation (George Maestri)
Digital Lighting & Rendering (Jeremy Birn)
Digital Textures & Painting (Owen Demers)
Digital Cinematography & Directing (Dan Ablan)
Digitla Compositing (Scott Jenkins)

pelos
06-19-2003, 03:31 AM
randy dont get mad, i dont even seen the front, in mexico is kinda hard to get material, and i ask because the other day in teck tv i saw i guy who wrote a book of window tips, and are thing that come in the help or realy basic, and the book was very expensive

Insider
06-19-2003, 02:50 PM
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Zarathustra
06-19-2003, 03:11 PM
Insider: I felt that well over half the [7] book was the [6] book, but as a testament to your Inside series it was still and will probably continue to be a must buy. NT should just package your book with each copy/upgrade of LW. As a Mac user, I can't do anything with DFX+ other then try and sell it on Ebay:hmm:

OT - Why do I never see you step up when certain people here rant against point-by-point modeling when your head modeling tutorial could be the most followed head tutorial out there?

Proton: You're great, man. "...get them all." Yeah, ok. :p

Insider
06-19-2003, 03:22 PM
Thanks -

Step up? Hell, everyone is different. I like Stu's method we use in the Inside books. Splines are cool, but I like to see the whole model and use sub-d's instead. To each his own, as they say.

Besides - I don't have time to get into silly rants on the internet. Next thing you know, we'll be discussing which is better, Max or LightWave.

:)
Dan

Zarathustra
06-19-2003, 03:34 PM
You're the wiser man for not getting your hands dirty with debates, I suppose.
Kudos.

Insider
06-19-2003, 03:42 PM
You're the wiser man for not getting your hands dirty with debates, I suppose.

Although, I might want to start a debate about what
Zarathurstra really means....

:)


Dan

Zarathustra
06-19-2003, 03:47 PM
"Zarathustra"

LOR
06-20-2003, 02:06 AM
If you're interested in LightWave specific lighting, you might find useful information in "LightWave 3D 7.5 Lighting" by....er....me. Nicholas Boughen. It's a new book, just out a couple of months ago. There are some reader reviews on Amazon.com and some of the books contents are viewable in pdf format at wordware.com if you want to have a look before you make a purchase decision.

NB

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sebek27
[B]which book do you recommend:
Inside LW 7
Visual Quickstart Guide
Essential Lightwave 7.5

i know the basics of lightwave and want to learn more about lighting, texturing, animating etc
thanks

kurv
06-20-2003, 02:15 AM
I am a bit biased I guess, but I feel like the Essentials book is the best beginner book out their. I am reading it now and...well it's great!! You can read a chapter for it here.

http://www.wordware.com/lightwave/#books

If you are looking into lighting, we have the best book on that as well. Download some chapters on lighting here as well.

http://www.wordware.com/lightwave/#books

Oh, BTW I almost forgot, here is a coupon for 37% off and free shipping in the continental US...

CGTALK-SPECIAL

Simply enter that coupon during the checkout process, to order please go to..

http://www.wordware.com/lightwave/#books

Thanks Folks!!!

Zarathustra
06-20-2003, 02:40 AM
Ok, who else has stuff to sell?

kurv
06-20-2003, 02:50 AM
:bounce:

Sorry Zarathustra, they asked... felt like I was being left out...

kurv
06-20-2003, 02:53 AM
:), I would also recommend Desktop Images DVD training videos :applause:

LOR
06-20-2003, 02:55 AM
Originally posted by Zarathustra
Ok, who else has stuff to sell?

What, there's something wrong with shameless self-promotion?

;D

NB

LOR
06-20-2003, 02:56 AM
Originally posted by wordwarepub
:), I would also recommend Desktop Images DVD training videos :applause:


Wes, what are you doing up so late?

:wavey:

kurv
06-20-2003, 03:18 AM
Working baby working on my LightWave skillz!!

I am reading the Essentials book ;) sorry I could not pass that one up... :)

Seriously just watched a few TiVo'd Stargate SG1's and working on some Organic Modeling in LW...

Very Cool!!!

LOR
06-20-2003, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by wordwarepub
Working baby working on my LightWave skillz!!

I am reading the Essentials book ;) sorry I could not pass that one up... :)

Seriously just watched a few TiVo'd Stargate SG1's and working on some Organic Modeling in LW...

Very Cool!!!

Hmmm. I wonder if you saw any of my SG-1 episodes.... we do that here using LW, ya know....

:beer:

NB

Insider
06-20-2003, 04:03 AM
Shameless plugs are cool.

Like -
My 3D Garage 20 hour courseware!
www.3dgarage.com

or
My training videos with
www.classondemand.net

or
The best selling LightWave book!
Inside LightWave 7!
www.danablan.com

:)

THANKS!
Dan

hey - come see me at Safe Harbor Computers tomorrow!
10am to 3pm!! Milwaukee, WI - Yah Hey Der...

kurv
06-20-2003, 04:17 AM
WHAT, Nick, I have seen, I think all of them from 99 - 02... Do you have any images you can send over..?

What kinda stuff have you done...?

Insider
06-20-2003, 04:22 AM
Not sure what you mean Wes...
You want some recent images of things?
Posted?
Sent to you?
What do I animate for a living?

Dan

kurv
06-20-2003, 04:38 AM
Mr. Ablan, whats up!!!

Sorry I did not see that reply after I read Nick's about Stargate SG1. I was replying to Nick.

How have you been, great I hope, I have heard nothing but great stuff about your 3D Garage courseware!!

Insider
06-20-2003, 05:01 AM
Ah - that makes sense.
Thanks Wes.
Great new books, btw. Kudos!


Dan

LOR
06-20-2003, 06:04 AM
Hey, Dan. I "grew up" on your Inside LightWave books.
Love 'em!

:buttrock:

Nick



Originally posted by Insider
Shameless plugs are cool.

Like -
My 3D Garage 20 hour courseware!
www.3dgarage.com

or
My training videos with
www.classondemand.net

or
The best selling LightWave book!
Inside LightWave 7!
www.danablan.com

:)

THANKS!
Dan

hey - come see me at Safe Harbor Computers tomorrow!
10am to 3pm!! Milwaukee, WI - Yah Hey Der...

rickycox
06-20-2003, 07:33 AM
Here's my current wish list :)

http://www.suture.net/tutorials/books_videos/index.shtml

Insider
06-20-2003, 01:28 PM
Thanks Nick.

I'm feeling old.

Time to rip out my LightWave Pro magazines....

Dan

kurv
06-20-2003, 02:00 PM
riki, thansk for posting those... BTW, we have a ton of books coming out for LW...

You will have to watch www.wordware.com/lightwave to see what is coming.

We should be posting more in July!!

rickycox
06-20-2003, 02:17 PM
Thanks Wes, I will definetly keep my eye out for the new releases. :thumbsup:

LOR
06-20-2003, 03:25 PM
PS......I'll take beer and hotdogs any day!

:beer:

N



Originally posted by Insider
Thanks Nick.

I'm feeling old.

Time to rip out my LightWave Pro magazines....

Dan

Limbus
06-20-2003, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by wordwarepub

If you are looking into lighting, we have the best book on that as well. Download some chapters on lighting here as well.

http://www.wordware.com/lightwave/#books

Oh, BTW I almost forgot, here is a coupon for 37% off and free shipping in the continental US...

CGTALK-SPECIAL
Hey, cant you kick Amazon in the A** that they will sell the Lighting book in europe? They dont even have it on the german Amazon page yet and I really want to get it. :bounce: The "Essential Lightwave" Book is not available either. It is marked as "not yet released".


Flo :thumbsdow

kurv
06-20-2003, 05:11 PM
WHACK!!!

That was the sound of us giving Amazon UK a swift kick...

We updated their database a week ago, and sent an update again just now...

We will make some calls for you :) !!

Thanks for the info Limbus!!

Limbus
06-20-2003, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by wordwarepub
WHACK!!!

That was the sound of us giving Amazon UK a swift kick...

We updated their database a week ago, and sent an update again just now...

We will make some calls for you :) !!

Great! Thanks :buttrock:
:thumbsup:

Flo

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