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PanicAttack
11-24-2008, 02:10 PM
Ok, sorry for my english, again.

First of all, i dont know is it right to have 2 threads active. ( first one is my first digital enviornment work, second, this one, is my first digital creature work).

If not, i can wait until finish first one, and this one can be closed.

(i repeated word "first" to many times) :D

So, this is human like alien, will carry some kind of weapon. This is my progress so far, pls comment or even better, give some critics.

Thanks for your time:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4968/eelintecopynj8.jpg

EndoTouch
11-24-2008, 09:03 PM
You have her bent over a wall. . . Soldiers don't bend over on walls. Honestly its not a very proper image, her pose says easy access not don't mess with me. Its not alluring or seductive, passionate or provocative. Why is she bent over, I keep needing to censor myself. Sex appeal is used as a cheap way to get attention a lot of beginning artists will head straight to it, which is fatal as it needs to be done in a subtle manner. If you want to continue this no one will stop you but you should sit back and say "what does my painting say?" and "what should it say?".

PanicAttack
11-24-2008, 09:22 PM
You have her bent over a wall. . . Soldiers don't bend over on walls. Honestly its not a very proper image, her pose says easy access not don't mess with me. Its not alluring or seductive, passionate or provocative. Why is she bent over, I keep needing to censor myself. Sex appeal is used as a cheap way to get attention a lot of beginning artists will head straight to it, which is fatal as it needs to be done in a subtle manner. If you want to continue this no one will stop you but you should sit back and say "what does my painting say?" and "what should it say?".

thanks mate, very useful critis.

Not only I used sex appeal to get attention, I also used "human-like" alien to avoid real anatomy issues too... I can admit both.

First i had in mind 2 images, first was this one, she is walking (carefuly but i didnt represent that good either, still agresive) by the wall into the one big "door" (or something like that, entrance...gate) when she will meet with other bigger creature.

I'll change pose, that's for sure. If you want to say anything more, feel free to do it please. no need to censor.

Thanks again for your time, and hope you understood my english.

CybrGfx
11-24-2008, 09:36 PM
Porn poses usually make truly crappy artworks. Even if you stick a funny color and an "alien head" on top of them.

It says little to nothing about your skills, your talent, or your imagination, beyond the fact that you look at too many pictures of naked women and can no longer imagine realistic scenarios.

Meh.

The only people who would be slightly impressed by any picture you can turn that pose into, will be people likewise overinundated with tacky nude photos. I'm not one of them, so I am unimpressed.

~C

PanicAttack
11-24-2008, 10:05 PM
Porn poses usually make truly crappy artworks. Even if you stick a funny color and an "alien head" on top of them.

It says little to nothing about your skills, your talent, or your imagination, beyond the fact that you look at too many pictures of naked women and can no longer imagine realistic scenarios.

Meh.

The only people who would be slightly impressed by any picture you can turn that pose into, will be people likewise overinundated with tacky nude photos. I'm not one of them, so I am unimpressed.

~C

maybe not very useful for me (personal), but good critics. so, thanks for that :)

i will either cover her "butt" or try different pose, or even different character.

I laughed at "look at to many pictures". :D

EndoTouch
11-24-2008, 11:14 PM
I'm glad to see that your open to reworking. You mention an environment you have planned, you should do that while you paint the girl, keep it at the same level of detail as the girl. That way she and the environment will fit together. Also it will help you place her in the scene.

Calm her down, she looks very tense. When you change the pose, watch the way women with her figure walk, the sway they have. All of a persons movements should resemble their normal walk, so you will be able to place the girl into a motion. Also don't exaggerate the pose, or her mood. The subtler she is with her attitude the easier it will be to have her look natural.

Really she has no proper anatomy so you need to do some studies of women who look like the one you are trying to paint, and people in general. Just take out a pencil and paper and try to draw anatomy. Its not like trying to draw a person, draw the muscles and bones and really show whats under the curves and shapes.

Endo

CybrGfx
11-24-2008, 11:53 PM
...I laughed at "look at to many pictures". :DGood! It was meant to make you laugh.

Try looking a MORE pictures, but now with an eye towards the pose...
A Google Image Search for "walking away." (http://www.google.com/images?as_st=y&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=walking+away&btnG=Search+Images)

You need to think about the weapon and the position of the hands NOW, before you go further. It may affect the position of the body.

Have fun with it, but try to make it a good picture, too.

~C

PanicAttack
11-25-2008, 09:52 AM
I'm glad to see that your open to reworking. You mention an environment you have planned, you should do that while you paint the girl, keep it at the same level of detail as the girl. That way she and the environment will fit together. Also it will help you place her in the scene.

Calm her down, she looks very tense. When you change the pose, watch the way women with her figure walk, the sway they have. All of a persons movements should resemble their normal walk, so you will be able to place the girl into a motion. Also don't exaggerate the pose, or her mood. The subtler she is with her attitude the easier it will be to have her look natural.

Really she has no proper anatomy so you need to do some studies of women who look like the one you are trying to paint, and people in general. Just take out a pencil and paper and try to draw anatomy. Its not like trying to draw a person, draw the muscles and bones and really show whats under the curves and shapes.

Endo

Thanks again, really appreciate it alot. I know i am beginner and i'm always opet for reworking. Advices like "to paint environment while painting character" is what i need.

I will start all over again, go to posemaniac, make atleast 10-20 pose every day, artnatomy (great site too), doing portret of my friends. That's what i will do next few weeks, only that. When i feel ready, will decide to continue with this one or start new one.

CybrGFx thanks alot mate as well, google is great for studying too. and yes, position of weapon effect whole pose too.

If anyone have some advices about site with good tutorials for beginners (anatomy, pose, clothing, environments) feel free to post it here or to pm me. Maybe better to post here so other can see it too.

btw, cant mark your posts "useful" looks like i need some reputations to do that. But they are.

cheers! :D

CybrGfx
11-25-2008, 01:29 PM
Whoa!

While you have MOST admirable goals, you will burn out within 3 days to a week, and then take years to summon up the courage to study again, dooming yourself to less than optimum results.

You don't eat an elephant in 3 big bites. You take small, chewable bites, and just keep eating...

Same with art.
START SMALL.

Download a copy of Loomis ~ Figure Drawing for all it's worth, and truly dedicate 1 hour, every other day to reading and following the drawings. EVERY drawing. Even the doodly sketches.

Just that. No complicated self-promises, no complex schedules. 1 Hour, 3 times a week.
And keep painting for fun, for yourself.

Within 30 days, you will not only SEE improvement, you will FEEL it, because you will have a MUCH better understanding of WHAT you are truly drawing, not just what you imagine you are...

Best of success to you!
~C

PanicAttack
11-25-2008, 01:50 PM
Whoa!

While you have MOST admirable goals, you will burn out within 3 days to a week, and then take years to summon up the courage to study again, dooming yourself to less than optimum results.

You don't eat an elephant in 3 big bites. You take small, chewable bites, and just keep eating...

Same with art.
START SMALL.

Download a copy of Loomis ~ Figure Drawing for all it's worth, and truly dedicate 1 hour, every other day to reading and following the drawings. EVERY drawing. Even the doodly sketches.

Just that. No complicated self-promises, no complex schedules. 1 Hour, 3 times a week.
And keep painting for fun, for yourself.

Within 30 days, you will not only SEE improvement, you will FEEL it, because you will have a MUCH better understanding of WHAT you are truly drawing, not just what you imagine you are...

Best of success to you!
~C

thanks, thanks, thanks and thanks again.

no other things to say. That book is what i needed.

i will post my sketches in my CA sketchbook (dont know if i am allowed to say that, it's other forum) to avoid spamming here for every sketch. 3-4 hours a week isnt problem, i have enough free time, and love to draw.

cheers mate, you helped me alot! :D appriciate that. if any other source is good for beginners fell free to say.

i need to put "sorry for my english" in my sign :)

CybrGfx
11-25-2008, 05:13 PM
Most welcome, I'm sure.

Tell 'em "Madster" sent you...(but be ready to duck!http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/brick.gif)
;)
~C

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