osiris concept art

[mrbungle72]

Like it:)
If you set up your cgtalk portfolio you can paste links from your personal cgtalk gallery: which is easier than uploading it as an attachment

[CybrGfx]

Prefacing this reply with ALL the acknowledgements of "freedom of speech," "art is creative expression," "art should NEVER be censored," etc. etc., I have to say that the Ankh on the foot of the robot, specifically, but on the robot at all, is disrespectful (to me).

The Ankh is a symbol of Life, and you have stuck it on a destructive robot.
It's just the concept of the thing, y'know?
I'm also of the closed mind set that considers a swastica "hate speech," and firmly believes that, while anything can be called "Art," the distinction between "good Art," and "bad Art" still exists...

I'm not Egyptian, I'm not religious. To me, it is just the matter of respecting a culture, however ancient, by not using its sacred symbols in a manner contrary to their original intent. Death robots + Symbol of "Life" = Not good.

Just my opinion, please feel free to ignore it.
~C

[Ayeblinkin]

mrbungle: cheers, already tried that - no dice. I should be able to post it up in the correct forum.


CyberGFX: em, tha ankh was a symbol of re-birth and eternal life - this character is Osiris he was braught back from the dead to become ruler of the underworld- in our steam-punk version he was braught back from the dead as what you call "a destructive robot".

You've taken the concept out of context and lump it in the category of "dumbshit guy making robots......NO MATTER WHAT THE COST TO OUR MORAL FABRIC" - read up on osiris, his is quite an interesting story.

Also, comparing an ankh on a robot to a swastica is a bit melodramatic.

[CybrGfx]

Actually, I am a bit of an "Egyptophile," so yes, I am more than acquainted with Osiris, husband of Isis, brother of Set...That is why your use of the Ankh symbol offends me. And no, it is not extreme to provide a clarifying statement of how SYMBOLS have meaning to people and cultures and civilizations.

And yes, I understand the Steampunk challenge, but your explanation to attempt to justify the symbol of Life, and yes, re-birth, as being somehow appropos to your concept, simply doesn't hold water. Regardless your "creative expression" of "art," it is still a disrespectful and offensive use of the symbol, just like the use of nazi swastika is disrespectful and offensive to some people. Disrespectful and offensive does not somehow lessen for some things just because the artist feels justified in using them.

I stated my opinion regarding the work you posted for a critique. Please do not presume to tell me that my opinion is somehow "wrong," simply because you do not agree.

~C

[Ayeblinkin]

egyptophile lol, my apologies. Oh well, duly noted and allow me to offer a pre-emptive apology for any future indiscretions on my part regarding Ancient Egyptian symbols that could offend. But I think it works well with the theme and I can assure you he won’t be depicted as a 'destructive robot' in the video and this is simply a pre-visualization.

[voltageme5]

I wouldn't sweat the use of the symbol. Originally it had a certain meaning with the Egyptians but the symbol is used by so many different people now for different reasons I don't think it matters anymore.

To compare it to the swastika and to be offended by it I think is a bit of a stretch unless you are Egyptian and have some personal connection to it.

If I saw a swastika outside on someones jacket I wouldn't be offended by it unless I was Jewish or maybe German, but I can recognize its use as being inappropriate.

But irregardless, if his use of the Ankh on his piece is highly offensive to enough people then he'll learn that it's not a good idea to use it in future works. In the end it's all a learning experience anyways.

Jesse

[remcv8]

That is COOL!!!

[Ayeblinkin]

voltageme5: I've had a love affair with egyptian mythology for about 5 years now and have been using their symbols and aesthetics in my work for about four of those years and never had anyone so much as raise and eyebrow.

I've used swasticas in artwork to, it was a for a competition hosted by a game development company and it called for designing a secret nazi weapon to celebrate the release of a WW2 game... I won... hence why I'm trying to say that symbolism has to be observed in relation to the context, and for this particular concept I don't think the ankh is out of place. When i see people with a swastica on display I tend to take position of 'what a ball-bag' and move on. I think it's stupid, but not offensive.

I'd never deliberately create something to offend someone, but at the same-time I can't pander to every single person's connection with a symbol... as you said if every post in this thread were from different members telling me 'dude that ankh's gonna piss a lot of people off' - it'd be out of there.

remcv8: thanks man.

[remcv8]

Not sure why people would be offended by the Ankh in association with Osiris. It has been stated that the Ankh represents both the male and female aspects Osiris (the cross) and Isis (the oval). The Ankh is also a symbol of life to the Egyptians plus Osiris represents rebirth and rejuvenation.

For me I see it as a Duality of sorts: The Ankh = Life and Osiris = Death and Rebirth (Life after Death)

Now the Swastika on the other hand is not of Nazi origin and is an ancient symbol of the east, particularly India and is still used today. It is a symbol of good luck or good fortune. Perhaps Hitler needed luck on his onslaught path of power and total destruction!!!

I'm more offended at his use of ancient symbols to promote ill will of others.

I'm not offended by your use of symbolism. Seems appropriate. In fact it creates a hidden statement in your art of which we ponder to find the meaning. Sells the art because it is controversial in nature.

The funny thing is that, if the art doesn't suit my taste I move on to the next piece and the next. Those who stick around to criticize someones art must see something that they like, right?

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