I was a bit bored so...

[ThirdEye]

2

[ThirdEye]

low poly wireframe

[Zion]

Ok ok i give up (grumble...grumble)

Damn excellent as usual ThirdEye

[ThirdEye]

here's the other view in wireframe

[derwolpertinger]

really good lookin'!:thumbsup:

[Kirl]

Looking very good...! :thumbsup:

Poly modelled? And why the extra detail in the eye...?

[ThirdEye]

Poly by poly modeling, the eye is denser because it's a simmetried sphere.

[AdamT]

Excellent!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[dandavis]

This is just amazing. I'm in awe of your skills, thirdeye. Please, please, please, can you rub some of those skills off on me?? Just one thing I notice, the fold that leads down to the ear lobe looks a bit to pronounced. Just phenomenal! Bravo! dano

[wurp]

very nice indeed, even if the topology is pretty good I find it a little bit to dense maybe, but the shape is great so I guess a dense mesh is fine :)

[Deestrakt]

its brilliant :eek:

1 day and half is very fast to achieve such a nice model ! (at least, from my point of view :D )

did u use ref pics, or made it from scratch using what u know about head/human anatomy ?

[wesware]

Really nice!
You are quite multi-talented and have a very good grasp of your modeling skills!

Something about the inner corners of the eyes and the nose section in-between bother me. I feel as if they are pinched or pulled inwards a little too harshly. Curious why some of your mesh is so dense? I would have a bugger of a time animating all that... but that just shows where I am lacking :)

Awesome.

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by Deestrakt
its brilliant :eek:

1 day and half is very fast to achieve such a nice model ! (at least, from my point of view :D )

did u use ref pics, or made it from scratch using what u know about head/human anatomy ?


I used a lot of photographs i found on the web as a reference... you know, famous actors like Ben Affleck or Woody Harrelson and a lot of Renaissance statues.

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by wurp
very nice indeed, even if the topology is pretty good I find it a little bit to dense maybe, but the shape is great so I guess a dense mesh is fine :)


A dense mesh allows me to get subtler expressions and use a lower subdivision level so the total poly count is not high at all :)

[Spearhead]

That is nice work. I recently started trying to model organics in c4d and its quite hard to get it lifelike, but you made it! :beer:

I especially like the ear, i have trouble gettings my earmodels believable.

Could we get a closer look at the ear? rendered and in wireframe?

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by Spearhead
Could we get a closer look at the ear? rendered and in wireframe?

Just have a look at the Otto model in the C4D primitives, i used his ear as a reference for mine, Bunk Timmer rulez! :buttrock:

[wesware]

Originally posted by ThirdEye_01
A dense mesh allows me to get subtler expressions and use a lower subdivision level so the total poly count is not high at all :)

I abolutely agree. That makes a lot of sense.
I would also add that it tends itself more towards a "still" perspective verses "animation" since it saves you on the render times but is more difficult to set morph targets and slows down the soft IK calculations (since you can always turn off your hypernurbs). With that said, I have always had trouble pushing points. Need to get better at that. (and obviously, people animate meshes more dense than yours and do it very well)

But boy, if you can morph that baby... look out... great stuff.
Once again, well done.

[Spearhead]

Originally posted by Spearhead
That is nice work. I recently started trying to model organics in c4d and its quite hard to get it lifelike, but you made it! :beer:

I especially like the ear, i have trouble gettings my earmodels believable.

Could we get a closer look at the ear? rendered and in wireframe?

Ah ok, didnt even think of that. 'ear' im sitting feeling a bit stoopid ;)

ugh bad pun but i couldnt resist it


:D

[Deestrakt]

thx for the reply. may i ask another one ? :)

i noticed your model has a closed mouth. if i get to model a head, i tend to model the mouth in a semi-open position, since the upper lips block the view to the lower lips, and vice-versa when the mouth is closed.
just to have an idea, may i ask if you model the mouth with the lips "open" then move the lips so that the mouth is closed, or do u set selections for the up and lower parts and alternate show/hide selections, to clear the view of the part u r modeling ? (i'm not sure i'm very clear though)
or, last option, maybe u modeled the "front" part of the mouth, and the inner mouth is not modeled yet ?

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by Deestrakt
may i ask if you model the mouth with the lips "open" then move the lips so that the mouth is closed

exactly ;)

[xeno]

indeed very nice work! It immediatly reminded me of woody harrelson, even tho u have used more refs then just his:)
Very well done!

I have one question tho ive been meaning to ask for a while now, since ive recently also modeled a head, or at least gave it my best shot, im wondering.. How on earth do u make morphtargets for a head? How do u make the expressions? Or am i just stupid and is it really "just" moving vertices untill ur eyes bleed?

[AdamT]

Originally posted by xeno
indeed very nice work! It immediatly reminded me of woody harrelson, even tho u have used more refs then just his:)
Very well done!

I have one question tho ive been meaning to ask for a while now, since ive recently also modeled a head, or at least gave it my best shot, im wondering.. How on earth do u make morphtargets for a head? How do u make the expressions? Or am i just stupid and is it really "just" moving vertices untill ur eyes bleed?

The magnet tool really comes in handy for making morph targets. And then you also have to move points until your eyes bleed. :hmm:

Also, for mouth opening/closing, side-to-side, and in/out, it can save a lot of time to rig some jaw bones.

[pit]

Hi ThirdEye -
spend another hour on the ear and it´s kick@ss-amazonsoul-quality!

[JIII]

yeah dude you are offically a 3d god and don't forget it. I can never understand how you use just huge poly counts with out going insane.

That is one of the cleanest models I have ever seen dude, Amazing.

[Fredivoss]

Absolutely great!Can you show us a straight side-view of it?

[sanciok]

Wonderful work ThirdEyE!!!!

[prodag]

Excellent work !:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[manlio]

Great Third! I don't know if you have already said, but how many hour did you spend to achieve this result?
Bye

[xeno]

of course, the magnet tool! That sounds very logical indeed! Hmm, perhaps i should try setting up some morphs as wel...

[harveyc]

very stunning indeed


you clever old thing I wish I could just do that sort of work when I was bored


great stuf



:applause: :applause: :applause:

:bounce:

[Crispie]

This is absolutely GGRRRREEEAAAAATTT!!!!
Teach me teach me, please!! The only thing I can model when I'm bored comes out of my nose! No, just kidding, this is really nice work! :drool: :drool: :drool:

Greetings, Chris!

[tai]

Really great work!
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[michaeli]

Great head model! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[smoke]

Yeah its ok....








:banghead:

[pupii]

I have seen so much good modells, that I feel like making one too.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[JoelOtron]

Beautiful work! Great job.
:thumbsup:


Wish I was as bored as you.
:p

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by the rollmops
Absolutely great!Can you show us a straight side-view of it?

here it comes

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by manlio
Great Third! I don't know if you have already said, but how many hour did you spend to achieve this result?
Bye


dunno the hours exactly... one day and a half working almost non-stop

[JoelOtron]

You really captured some personality/mood and character there. Is that a self portrait?

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by JoelD
You really captured some personality/mood and character there. Is that a self portrait?


Not at all, i'm not so old :D

[Katachi]

Hi Thirdy,

as I have already told you this is an amazing work! :thumbsup:
Very natural and a lotta character.

But still of the opinion that the ear might be improved.
See pic below. The red area of the ear is IMO a bit to thin.
And in the blue area, the ear is usually "closed" or "plane" at the end (that´s also a point in Ottos ear IMO). Although this might vary I haven´t seen an ear that is that open at the end.

http://www.the3ddesigner.de/bilder/side.jpg

Anyway, don´t want to make the pic bad, it´s still fantastic work and rocks! :buttrock:

[ThirdEye]

I 100% agree with the red circle suggestion Samir (already fixed, thank you!) but i don't agree with the blue circle one, take a look at this pic, it's quite similar i think... or not? :shrug:

[Katachi]

Hi,

See the end of the ear, it´s "closed" and plane (sorry, I cannot really explain it with a word...) at the end while I can see a long inner bump at yours...or am I blind? :rolleyes:

P.S.: Anyway it´s still an italian to me Thiry :beer:

[Katachi]

Oh and while we´ at it I can see another area now that will raise the realism and nature of your ear :)

Hope you don´t mind.

http://www.the3ddesigner.de/bilder/ear.jpg

This area could be a bit rounder on your ear.. (or maybe it´s the perspective?)

[ThirdEye]

okokok you're right :p

*goes working on the ear* ;)

[Katachi]

great. :) I am so curious to see the final version. I am sure this can become a C4D evergreen.

Keep it up, you rock! :buttrock:

[Crispie]

Hi ThirdEye

As I was going through some old threads, since I'm rather newbie here, I looked at the other two heads you posted. The first of Alexandre, which was really really cool. The second of the young lady, but to my surprise it was not finished! I'm wondering if you still finished that head, I mean, did she get a nice coupe?? No need to say that your second head was a 10 out of 10 as well!! :applause: :buttrock: :thumbsup: :eek: :beer:
Keep up the good work!!


Greeting Chris!

[ThirdEye]

Hi Crispie, you're right, that head is still not finished. It just lacks hair, i tried with Shave and Haircut but the results didn't satisfy me that much to be sincere (but prolly i'm bad at using it) plus the rendertimes are too high for my poor machine. Anyway here's the latest stage of that head, maybe i'll finish it with a hat or something like that, i still dunno. :shrug: Sorry for the size of the pic but i still don't have any webspace atm :hmm:

[mwa]

She sure looks great, hope you figure out a good way for making hair, if anyone could do it it should be you.
Realy like your new head aswell, excellent work!

Magnus

[dandavis]

Whoa, hot mama!

I think that the bridge of the nose looks a bit to wide or something. It's still 1 million times better than I could do so who am I to criticize.....

dano

[AdamT]

Both heads are great. I'd add a few creases/wrinkles on the chick, though. No one's skin is *that* smooth.

And practice up with Shave! You can get reasonable render times with some tweaking and these folks deserve the effort.

[Cactus Dan]

Howdy ThirdEye,

Holy cow! Nice model. That is truely inspirational.

Adios,
Cactus Dan

[MJV]

Originally posted by AdamT
Both heads are great. I'd add a few creases/wrinkles on the chick, though. No one's skin is *that* smooth.

And practice up with Shave! You can get reasonable render times with some tweaking and these folks deserve the effort.

By all means, add some hair! :) Shave is actually kind of fun to use once you spend a little time with it.:thumbsup:

[Shademaster]

That head looks so real! Those eyes...ah those eyes... But Hair would be a great thing on her. Try hair department for some good laughs, it makes your character look 10 times more stupid. Maybe Shave would do the trick, but then again, I am just a noob. :p

[ThirdEye]

It's finished http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75302 :wavey:


(reply in the gallery thread)

[ThirdEye]

Ok back on the other head ;)

http://www.ares.org.uk/head.jpg

[Katachi]

Cannot see it ;)

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by Designer
Cannot see it ;)

try again :D

[Katachi]

ah yes, now I see it. Well structurewise this is IMO your best head (and one of the best I have seen so far with Cinema 4D). But one thing bugs me on the views you have posted:

I cannot see the ear ;) :beer:

Best
Samir

[ThirdEye]

ok ok here's the ear Samir :D

[Katachi]

that looks much better now! :thumbsup:
But (please forgive me) it´s maybe a little to smooth rounded on the outside? Maybe you could make it a tiny bit bumped...damn, I don´t know how to put this.

I will email you tonight on fc what I mean. My girl just called so I have to get to her (you know, women rule the world :shrug: ).

But it´s already very nice!! :applause:

[ThirdEye]

Thanks a lot for your help, i'll be happy to see what you mean in your upcoming email. (and yes, gals rule the world :rolleyes: )

[Katachi]

see fc :)

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by Designer
see fc :)

Thanks a lot dude, that helps for sure ;)

[ThirdEye]

Ok i finished modeling the head now that i'm here at home again, now it's time to add the rest ;)

(i finally got my cgcommunity webspace!!)

http://thirdeye.cgcommunity.com/a.jpg

[sebek27]

great work ! can't wait for the textures ... where is your mercedes ??

[ThirdEye]

My SL is in the garage waiting for some headlights :p I'll work on that soon, don't worry ;)

[squidinc]

bloody hell, that's looking awesome :D
do a proper scene with this one, not just white background, hehe :p

make him into a badass clown or some sort of space marine.... scifi = :buttrock: and :cool:

[flingster]

holy moly!
i thought you'd been on holiday for god sake!! and then you come back and hit us with this!!! damn man...

as usual stunning. squid has a good point here if you wanna get a front page...and you should..then you gotta do more than the head...you gotta do the biz on this otherwise it would be a waste.
keep it up.

:buttrock: :buttrock:

[Martin Kay]

Jeez, that's a cracking head for a day and a half... I can't believe it. Like to see that merc!

[ThirdEye]

well i worked on it again so the total count would be of 3-4 days now

[squidinc]

Originally posted by ThirdEye_01
well i worked on it again so the total count would be of 3-4 days now

so when's the tutorial coming out? :)

[ThirdEye]

These are just the best tutorials i can give you, the rest is just a matter of pulling points:

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38469

[bobtronic]

Its nice that you finished the head. Its a great model.
Do you want to give him a whole body ?

Bob

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by bobtronic
Its nice that you finished the head. Its a great model.
Do you want to give him a whole body ?

Bob


Did i really say i finished the head? Oh sorry, but i should remember there's always room for improvement :p

I don't really know what i'll do now, i will model some clothes and accessories for sure, suggestions for the way i'll dress this guy are welcome and highly recommended. The space marine idea's not bad Mike, can you elaborate on this?

http://thirdeye.cgcommunity.com/b.jpg

[ThirdEye]

Low poly wire so far

http://thirdeye.cgcommunity.com/w.jpg

[prayas]

What a damn clean wire. Need to study those images.
Damn nice

P..:

[pit]

Hi ThirdEye,
great - as always!!
I never quite understood why you create such a dense wire - care to enlighten me? Or is it at some stage subdivided by 1 to get more polys for details? I´m just wondering where you see the advantage - the result speaks for it self.
Cheers
pit

[ThirdEye]

Hi pit, thanks for your kind words. This is what i do when i model a head:

1) i build a basic mesh (i use almost always the same topology)
2) i pull the points till i get a basic shape for what i'm modeling
3) i start edgeringing+edgecutting to get a more detailed mesh in the areas i need (no, i never use HN subdividing)
4) i shout because i always end with an ultradense mesh :D

the fact i end with a dense mesh is not totally intentional, it just allows me to put more details in a clean mesh. I discussed a bit with Dave Komorowski (www.thehobbitguy.com) in a couple pm's, his meshes are maybe denser than mine so i asked him the reason of a similar density. He responded telling me he likes dense meshes because they allow him to put subtler details and using 1 or 2 sds levels instead of 2 or 3 but it's basically a matter of taste.

[ThirdEye]

Look at this meshes for example, they're extremely dense and it seems there's no particular reason for this hi density since the surfaces are quite simple. I suspect it's just a matter of taste, nothing else, i wouldn't say the dense approach is wrong or right, Dave works for Disney and he's been a Maya modeling instructor for ages, i wouldn't say his approach is wrong, but yes, a simple mesh is easier to handle, especially if you need to do some morph targets. He's definitely my principal source of inspiration for clean meshes.

http://www.thehobbitguy.com/media/pics/davewire.jpg

http://www.thehobbitguy.com/media/pics/julesWire.jpg

http://www.thehobbitguy.com/media/pics/goblin.jpg

[pit]

Thanks for the insight, ThirdEye.
I´ll give a highly detailed model a shot next - have been concentrating on reducing polycount in my meshes for so long that a dense, richly detailed mesh will be really refreshing.

Cheers

:beer:

[pit]

Ahh - you put Dave´s meshes up while I was replying. I certainly agree that it has nothing to do with right or wrong ways of modeling - that simply doesn´t exist. Look at the wires of Pascal Blanché - they look like shit, but are great models. I too visit the hobbitguy every now and then - a great modeler indeed!

Thanks once again!

[ODoul]

Hi thirdeye, love your models. I was wondering what method you use to texture these meshes? I'm sorry if it has been mentioned but I don't have the patience to go thru this entire thread or the other one to find out. ;) -- 3d_e

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by 3D_Explorer
Hi thirdeye, love your models. I was wondering what method you use to texture these meshes? I'm sorry if it has been mentioned but I don't have the patience to go thru this entire thread or the other one to find out. ;) -- 3d_e


Texturing? I've used Ps more than Bp3D R1, but now with R2 i'll start using it for almost everything. I simply edit my uvs to avoid stretchings, make a quite simple colour map (usually 3000x1500), add the bump using procedurals+baking, use the bump as a base for the specular map, i complete the specular map using dodge/burn, then i multiply it over a blueish specular in the specular channel and i multiply it over a purple reflection in the reflection channel (just a couple %), oren nayar material. In the luminance channel i use Chanlum or Translucent. I hope it helps :wavey:

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by pit
Thanks for the insight, ThirdEye.
I´ll give a highly detailed model a shot next - have been concentrating on reducing polycount in my meshes for so long that a dense, richly detailed mesh will be really refreshing.

Cheers

:beer:


Can't wait to see what you'll do, i've always been a fan of your meshes from the moment you started your model for cgchallenge one year ago (can't forget the hilarious Ronaldo teddy bear!!). I've always admired the fact you just need a few polys to make a good model, now i wanna see what you'll do with some more faces :wavey:

[ODoul]

Groovy, thanks daddy-o. I'll give it a whirl. -- 3d_e

[pit]

Thanks a lot - you´re too kind!!

The CGTalk challenges are GREAT - in fact, I think joining a challenge is about the best thing a newbie can do. It really pushed me and I learned a ton. I would love to find the time to join a challenge again sometime.


PS:
I think it´s cool that you remember the teddy :) Made my day!

[ThirdEye]

GI + area light test, i'm still hesitant about how i'll dress him: a roman general, some scifi stuff, a shaolin monk, a noir story detective... :rolleyes:

http://thirdeye.cgcommunity.com/c.jpg

[sanciok]

Extrme work ThirdEye!!

The lighting is very good!!
No crit!!

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by sanciok
Extrme work ThirdEye!!

The lighting is very good!!
No crit!!



Thanks a lot, now the problem is finding the right style for clothes, my fantasy apparently went bye bye :annoyed:

[handige_harrie]

You should dress him as a businessman standing to next his new Mercedes ;).

*Hint hint*

[Katachi]

Originally posted by ThirdEye_01
I suspect it's just a matter of taste, nothing else

My sugar and salt: It´s extremly helpful for animation! A lot of people do think, low density meshes are better for animation. Sure, it´s easier to handle and faster to accomplish, but in the end with a high-dense mesh you have smoother and more precise movements, of course it´s a bigger task to get this working nicely but way more realistic. Of course, that also depends on the skills of the artist and on the model, animation purpose, animation type etc.. so that´s not a general rule at all. But as seen in the pictures thirdeye has posted, those artist do it too :)

I like the high-dense side too.

:buttrock:

Rock on Thirdy. Looking fantastic.

Best
Samir

[ThirdEye]

Ok i chose the historical period: napoleonic wars! Starting to model the apparel :)

[neilyb]

How can we crit those heads? Nice work:thumbsup:

[ThirdEye]

Thanks for your kind words neilyb, i'd like them to be perfect if possible, not just ok, i need to get better and better. Here's another modeling step for the jacket i'm building, still an early wip, i hope you like the direction this is taking. :wavey:

[KingMob]

hehe now I see where you post work..Hiding it from us non c4d users... great stuff third.

Why not post in the crits areas?

[bobtronic]

I like the jacket. Not sure about the little cross.

cheers, Bob

[JIII]

hmm when are you gonna add the fringe to your epalauttes? I know its gonna come eventually.

[ThirdEye]

You're right Ian, i moved the thread in the 3D critz forum ;)
bobtronic: i dunno, i'll prolly rework on it.
JIII: they'll prolly be the last thing, they'll be quite heavy for sure.

[ThirdEye]

modeling...

[neversong]

:thumbsup: very cool.

can't wait to see the textured version.

[ThirdEye]

starting the boots...

[Katachi]

wow, really bad modeling. Overall it´s nothing worth looking more than 2 seconds at...




















































Kidding! :applause: Looking great so far. Love the jacket. boots of course still need some work.

Keep it up Thirdy..

[wgreenlee1]

Excellent style!

Always a fan or your works 3rd-I!

[MunCHeR]

Man that looks sweet, so good your model has rolled his eyes into the back of his head! :applause:

Thas a good trick, cant wait to see them all finished, bravo

Cheers

MunCHeR

[ThirdEye]

Thanks a lot folks, still modeling the boots.

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