CGTalk - Halo 2 E3 Video Unleashed

Solesurvivor

06-15-2003, 01:38 PM

where are the things that should 'wow' me?? I mean, in such a resolution it's really hard to say if it looks good, everything looks the same in that resolution and taken with a cam...

Gameplay wise, i don't see great difference with other games in this genre, HL2 looked much better on this part than Halo2 does...

I didn't see anything to look out for, when i watched this movie; unlike the geeks in the movie who all started to scream when they saw you could handle 2 uzi's, or which weapons it where i don't know, Kaleb rules in hanling 2 fire arms at once ;)

Neil

06-16-2003, 03:53 AM

yes, thank god someone else mentioned that too. What's the big deal of 2 guns at once? it's not like it's never been done before.

it's a good looking game, no doubt, but it's lost it's edge after seeing HL2 :)

Meaty

06-16-2003, 05:16 AM

akimbo weapons!!! i LOVE akimbo weaps. I havent had that since Action Quake 2

So many good games comin out, and so little time :annoyed:

Looks great though.

Cheers

ambient-whisper

06-16-2003, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Solesurvivor
where are the things that should 'wow' me?? I mean, in such a resolution it's really hard to say if it looks good, everything looks the same in that resolution and taken with a cam...

Gameplay wise, i don't see great difference with other games in this genre, HL2 looked much better on this part than Halo2 does...

I didn't see anything to look out for, when i watched this movie; unlike the geeks in the movie who all started to scream when they saw you could handle 2 uzi's, or which weapons it where i don't know, Kaleb rules in hanling 2 fire arms at once ;)

well technically Half life2 has been in the works for now long now?!!? 20 years? ;)

halo 2 hasnt been advertizing as much yet because its still long ways off until its released. the animation system hasnt been put into place yet i dont think. the AI is supposed to be really kickass once the game reaches store shelves. things like your comrades being able to kick tables down to use as protection and such will be possible. which sounds really neat IMO. it just wasnt shown off yet. multiple vehicles.. which you can steal off the enemies. not something that is possible in half life from the looks of it.
another thing to point out is half life for xbox probably wont look as nice as the pc version, doubt itll come near. those kind of physics/ alongside the graphical data is too much to output the same kind of quality that was shown at E3. so itll definitely be a scaled down version of the game. which brings me to halo2, its not being introduced on PC. it was run off an xbox no? so what you see is what you get, and since they got lots of time left, areas like animation/AI will improve enough to wow everyone.

dont be too hyped up on half life 2 just yet. afterall, youll never know how it is until youve played it. for all we know it could stink.
just like the ragdoll system wowed us a year ago..sure its cool at first. but after a while you want substance over gimmics.

Shademaster

06-16-2003, 10:20 AM

KEWL! I can't wait to see it! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
Halo 2 is definatly on my wishlist :p

Pieira

06-16-2003, 10:40 AM

Half-life is very impressive technically but Halo 2 will be 10 times as fun. Especially multiplayer.
I have realistic physics in real life. I want action and halo 2 demo has it start to finish.

quinox

06-16-2003, 10:42 AM

and thanks to Bittorrent I can download them at 900kBs... who said P2P was bad?

only 2min left before its done :bounce:

Gremlin

06-16-2003, 10:45 AM

hey, I dont know what the hell you guys are talking about, regardless of how good another game of the same genre is, does nullify the quality of another.

with that said, I think that halo looks AWESOME, I mean, the time put into it, all the conversations between people that arent even enccesary to your mission really adds to the realism, and the graphics are really really good, dont know what you guys mean, did you see those particle effects? jeez... I cant wait, I think its gonna be sweet (as long as not too short)
Cheers,
:beer:

and oh yah... I love the ragdoll system, I fire up UT2k3 every once and a while just to crack up at the hilarious deaths! :D
and also, when's Halo 2 due to release for pc?

Rotamus

06-16-2003, 10:51 AM

me want.... me want now! :airguitar

Dai

06-16-2003, 11:22 AM

The only thing that Half-Life 2 has and that Halo 2 should aspire to is the facial animation - beyond that there's no need for comparison.

Rubberduckie

06-16-2003, 11:36 AM

:surprised Argh! Friggin MS and their Xbox! must...stay awake from the dark side...must...resist....mmmm the colors...

Doogie

06-16-2003, 12:06 PM

Bungie did two guns in Marathon (a FPS from like 1995) so it's not that big a deal.

Was that video in game or prerendered? If it was ingame, I wasn't aware they could do DOF and im suprised at the way light light was diffused after reflecting off metal objects (and that backlighting).

I wish they showed some gameplay (unless I watched the wrong video)

Gremlin

06-16-2003, 12:11 PM

well, I just watched the HL2 video after a while, and I seem to have forgotten how good that shit is gonna be. I mean, the realism factor in that game is pretty high too (the lighting, the interactivity, character AI, etc...)

if Halo 2 comes to pc, I wouldnt hesitate to buy it, but Half Life 2 is definitely going to rock, and looks to be quite a long game... and will no doubt be the standard of FPS's to follow :scream:

anyone know what system was runnin' that Half Life 2 preview?

Kinematics

06-16-2003, 12:42 PM

It works on a 486 except for the big in the open scenes right??? =)
Anyway hwhawhaha halo2 and halflife2, i really dont think ill need anymore games other then those too last me awhole year

wrosado

06-16-2003, 12:54 PM

I haven't seen the trailer that was posted on cgtalk,but if it's the same as the one i saw a few weeks ago then it's all in-game action. In halo a lot of the cut scenes are blended with the live in game action...

deepinspace

06-16-2003, 01:01 PM

Arrr, I remember Marathon. Marathon 2 was fingers licking good:drool:

robin

06-16-2003, 01:20 PM

i dont want to bust anyone's bubble here but aint games where your shooting in a corridor a bit old ?

im pretty sure that there wont be a whole lot of new stuff added to Halo 2 (gameplay wise)

lildragon

06-16-2003, 01:26 PM

robin I wouldn't say that, Fighting games are old, RPG's are very old, Strategy games are old, but they're all genres, they'll always be a place for 1st person shooters since it's inception. It's just fun especially multiplayer.

salud

Warchild2806

06-16-2003, 01:29 PM

have we forgotten our FPS roots? will we sell our origins to the likes of Microsoft?
come on guys - can you REMEMBER when you first played halflife?
I worshipped the box and it had a halo around its head (no pun intented)
Halo 2 has nothing on HL2, and so far the only competition is still in Halo 2's league, just you wait for Doom III :drool:

robin

06-16-2003, 01:32 PM

lildragon true, true :rolleyes:

(on my end im secretly waiting for HL2)

Julez4001

06-16-2003, 02:00 PM

It was all in-game graphics!

puddlefish

06-16-2003, 02:09 PM

looks nice, i like the bit with the brute jumping on the warthog's windshield.

are there plans to increase the speed of the player's movement?

JA-forreal

06-16-2003, 02:54 PM

dont be too hyped up on half life 2 just yet. afterall, youll never know how it is until youve played it. for all we know it could stink.

Hey I still have Halflife one on my hard drive.

Halo 2 looks like it will be a fun game. I think that my main reason for liking Halflife better is the storyline. It has that X-Files sense about it. If Serria gets about 100 notches better with the visuals and the AI they will have an interactive 3d film. The kind of 3d interactive world creations that are seen in games like Halflife and Halo are also the interactive production features that the Blender.org game engine developement projects are aiming for. That is a big reason alot of 3d coders have put a big focus on the "Game Blender" engine that is going though a major update.

If I'm getting inspired by this I know that the Blender game engine coders are in awe of this more than us 3d artist. I once asked the Blender coders what's in it for them as far as using Blender as a developement platform. Now I see why they want the game engine back so badly.

Whoa this interactive stuff is the best feature that 3d entertainment has to offer. I hear that Duke/Forever is going through a major overhaul. I'm sure that the folks at 3d Realms want to at least match the level of Halflife and Halo. Amazing stuffs on the rise for 3d interactivity. Oh yeah.

Shademaster

06-16-2003, 03:12 PM

I got this amazing idea! I'll buy both HL2 and Halo 2!
:xtreme:

MonkeyNinja

06-16-2003, 03:45 PM

Nice game too bad its on XBox :)

metal me solid

06-16-2003, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Shademaster
I got this amazing idea! I'll buy both HL2 and Halo 2!
:xtreme:

lmao XD

heh, well halo's coo'. but.. im not really a FPS lover.. It looks awsome, the gameplays awsome, but im not going to buy an X-BOX for just one good game.. im more an RPG type a guy.. cant say X-BOX has a lot of GOOD (mark meh words) RPGs..

peterpro

06-16-2003, 05:45 PM

ambien wisper
<dont be too hyped up on half life 2 just yet. afterall, youll never know how it is until youve played it. for all we know it could stink.
just like the ragdoll system wowed us a year ago..sure its cool at first. but after a while you want substance over gimmics.>

It is highly unlikely that either of these games will suck.

I highly disagree with physics being labeled a gimmic- It is more a required feature for all future shooter games of note, and it's not going to be glossed over or considered a gimmick except maybe in massively online roleplaying games where keeping track of all the cursory objects might be a bandwidth nightmare.

I think that once people get a taste of being able to interact with everything, people are going to want that in all of their games.

halo 1 was fantastic to play.
hf2 has 3 advances - graphics, ai, and physics
the kind of realism in the demo was highly impressive. from much smarter enemies to a heavily interactive and reactive environment, to ingame characters that dont relay as much on scripting instead incorporating state dynamics and behavioral reactions.

Doom III is also very impressive.. in the same way (although how come it's always a horror story with these guys) anyone know if you'll be able to build mods for doom III? (wad files if i recall)

All of these games have huge advances in the gaming industry.
end of this year should be very very interesting.
=)

Neil

06-16-2003, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by ambient-whisper
well technically Half life2 has been in the works for now long now?!!? 20 years? ;)

halo 2 hasnt been advertizing as much yet because its still long ways off until its released. the animation system hasnt been put into place yet i dont think. the AI is supposed to be really kickass once the game reaches store shelves. things like your comrades being able to kick tables down to use as protection and such will be possible. which sounds really neat IMO. it just wasnt shown off yet. multiple vehicles.. which you can steal off the enemies. not something that is possible in half life from the looks of it.
another thing to point out is half life for xbox probably wont look as nice as the pc version, doubt itll come near. those kind of physics/ alongside the graphical data is too much to output the same kind of quality that was shown at E3. so itll definitely be a scaled down version of the game. which brings me to halo2, its not being introduced on PC. it was run off an xbox no? so what you see is what you get, and since they got lots of time left, areas like animation/AI will improve enough to wow everyone.

dont be too hyped up on half life 2 just yet. afterall, youll never know how it is until youve played it. for all we know it could stink.
just like the ragdoll system wowed us a year ago..sure its cool at first. but after a while you want substance over gimmics.

Come on... please...

By your logic, Duke Nukem Forever will be the top selling game of all time and the most amazing graphics ever and do your dishes too!

KOBALT_KORE

06-16-2003, 09:01 PM

Sweet characters, animations and effects!
The only thing that stuck out like a sore thumb to me was the levels - too blocky and bland looking IMO :hmm: (especially considering the pretty outdoor shots I've seen of Halo 1)...

Nikku

06-17-2003, 01:53 AM

Looks like the generic "flashy lookin w/ bad gameplay" type...

BiTMAP

06-17-2003, 04:46 AM

hmm i get a really crappy slideshow, anyone got a working link to the quicktime? my windoze thing sucked.

ambient-whisper

06-17-2003, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by Neil
Come on... please...

By your logic, Duke Nukem Forever will be the top selling game of all time and the most amazing graphics ever and do your dishes too!

ok so let me do a 180 on my "logic".

xbox is 10x better than the best pc today. so games can look better on xbox. so yes halo 2 should look a hella better than half life2 because half life was run on inferior hardware.

if a company spends 5 years on a game plus a lot of time to make a killer demo to hype up a game.. it wont even lay a finger over a demo someone made over the weekend.

oo and more physics and less thought put into games please. ;) does that sound about right? sorry if my logic was off the first time. i swear not to use it again. :p

( edit ) just to clear things up. im not saying physics arent a good thing to games. but what i am saying is its only really worthwhile if the game depends on it. "ie. break a large piece of wood. throw it in water and then jump on it as if it was a raft of sorts. walk over it and get to the other side of the water. but act fast because your weight will make it sink."
those kind of things would make it worthwhile. if its there just so you can break it and throw around with no real purpose then its considered a gimmic. so i really hope the physics play a large role inside the game.

Konic

06-17-2003, 11:35 AM

It seems too city like.I like the original look better as of now.But still I know that there will be more options in scenes.The game play I can only imagine will be better.Very nice none the less.:thumbsup:

JA-forreal

06-17-2003, 07:41 PM

The Halklife radiosity effects won me over also. Here is a Blender game artist example of the current Game Blenders use of Blenders radiosity tools using the "Cornell" box setup in this Game Blender executable-

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/scorpius/blender/igolf.zip

And an Internet explorer live example-The "realtime" link at the top of the page.(May work)-

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/scorpius/

The first game that seemed to really take advantage of using radiosity was Serious Sam. And I think that they used Lightwaves radiosity solution? I don't know all of the scripting projects going on in the Lightwave to Game Blender wise area. But if anyone did come up with an integration channel that would make Lightwave a great partner with the Game Blender for realtime 3d projects.

Did anyone notice the impact of the powerful imagery with Halflifes use of radiosity? Yeah the dynamics were great. But the Halflife world lighting got my attention right away.

Neil

06-17-2003, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by ambient-whisper
ok so let me do a 180 on my "logic".

xbox is 10x better than the best pc today. so games can look better on xbox. so yes halo 2 should look a hella better than half life2 because half life was run on inferior hardware.

I wasn't quoting anything about physics. I was saying that you said HL2 has to be good b/c it was in production for 5 years while Halo2 doesn't have that opportunity. Well Duke Nukem has been in for like 8 years, so i was saying that that should be the best lookign game ever, but it's NOT! b/c it's not even coming out. Who cares how long it's been in production, it's a well deserved 5 years b/c they got work to show for that amazed the HELL out of everyone. Halo2 chose not to spend 5 years, don't hold that against HL2.
(on a side question)
How long did they have to make Halo1 though?

BiTMAP

06-17-2003, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by Neil
I wasn't quoting anything about physics. I was saying that you said HL2 has to be good b/c it was in production for 5 years while Halo2 doesn't have that opportunity. Well Duke Nukem has been in for like 8 years, so i was saying that that should be the best lookign game ever, but it's NOT! b/c it's not even coming out. Who cares how long it's been in production, it's a well deserved 5 years b/c they got work to show for that amazed the HELL out of everyone. Halo2 chose not to spend 5 years, don't hold that against HL2.
(on a side question)
How long did they have to make Halo1 though?

I'm expecting half-life2 to be good not becuase of the amount of time spent on it, but because its valve who made it, And I've worked a bit with valve, and i KNOW they are good at what they do.

bentllama

06-18-2003, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by Neil

How long did they have to make Halo1 though?

actually there were 3 distinct production cycles for Halo 1...the latter and shortest cycle, was to create the xbox game we know today...

http://halo.bungie.org/faq/background.html#origin

ambient-whisper

06-18-2003, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Neil
I wasn't quoting anything about physics. I was saying that you said HL2 has to be good b/c it was in production for 5 years while Halo2 doesn't have that opportunity. Well Duke Nukem has been in for like 8 years, so i was saying that that should be the best lookign game ever, but it's NOT! b/c it's not even coming out. Who cares how long it's been in production, it's a well deserved 5 years b/c they got work to show for that amazed the HELL out of everyone. Halo2 chose not to spend 5 years, don't hold that against HL2.
(on a side question)
How long did they have to make Halo1 though?

but thats exactly the problem right there. half life 2 was also "just a rumor" and was also comming out for years with nothing to show until this year.. people were getting fed up with it in teh same way as duke nukem. so how do you know that duke could not kick ass? they could redo their engine 100 times. but that doesnt mean they have to redo all the concepts... all the 3d work... all the animations..

Dai

06-18-2003, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by Nikku
Looks like the generic "flashy lookin w/ bad gameplay" type...

I guess you've not played the original...

Solesurvivor

06-18-2003, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by ambient-whisper

xbox is 10x better than the best pc today. so games can look better on xbox. so yes halo 2 should look a hella better than half life2 because half life was run on inferior hardware.

erm, so you're saying, an xbox is 10x better than a 3.06ghz p4, with 800mhz fsb, ati radeo 9800pro and 1gig of 400mhz DDR ram??

if that's true, they should use xbox's in renderfarms for sure, at such a low cost:)

AshodT

06-18-2003, 06:53 PM

Solesurvivor

please read again ALL the thread. you look a bit..... :p

anyway,i think people talk too much about half life. yeah its cool,but this thread is on halo. :beer:

Neil

06-18-2003, 07:00 PM

yes, i agree it's getting a bit OT, but comparing games is pretty much the only way to benchmark the quality of new releases.

ambient-whisper

06-18-2003, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by Solesurvivor
erm, so you're saying, an xbox is 10x better than a 3.06ghz p4, with 800mhz fsb, ati radeo 9800pro and 1gig of 400mhz DDR ram??

if that's true, they should use xbox's in renderfarms for sure, at such a low cost:)

HAHAHA.. read my first line man ;) follow the thread. youll know what i meant ;) haha

Solesurvivor

06-18-2003, 11:33 PM

aha, that's what you meant by taking a 180 turn :)

Agent D

06-19-2003, 02:05 AM

Looks completly awesome, but my one and only beef... it's not a PC game. This means I won't buy it, and probably won't ever get to play it. Oh well. :hmm:

Good job by the Bungie team, though. The Marathon series are still some of the best first person shooters of all time in my opinion.

markdc

06-19-2003, 02:21 AM

Originally posted by bentllama
Halo 2 E3 Video Unleashed

http://www.bungie.net/images/site/bnet/news_images/news_h2demo.gif

http://bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/site/0/news/news_detail.html&linkname=H2E32003Video

Good stuff.:thumbsup: I'll finally get to use my XBox again:)

JA-forreal

06-19-2003, 06:50 PM

Looks completly awesome, but my one and only beef... it's not a PC game. This means I won't buy it, and probably won't ever get to play it. Oh well.

Halo1 PC FAQ-

http://www.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/site/0/databases/view_database.html&dbid=16943

Halo1 Mac-

http://www.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/site/0/databases/view_database.html&rowsperpage=20&dbid=16943&start=20&sortcolumn=

Agent D

06-19-2003, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by JA-forreal
Halo PC FAQ-

http://www.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/site/0/databases/view_database.html&dbid=16943

Halo Mac-

http://www.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/site/0/databases/view_database.html&rowsperpage=20&dbid=16943&start=20&sortcolumn=

Yes, that's nice, but it doesn't have much to do with what I was saying. That is Halo 1, and we're talking about Halo 2. Besides, I don't usually want to wait a few years after a game is released on console to play it on PC. :shrug: I'll probably still buy Halo 1 (if it has co-op) when it comes out for PC, but it just won't be as cool as it was back when it was first released.

JA-forreal

06-19-2003, 10:13 PM

Yes, that's nice, but it doesn't have much to do with what I was saying. That is Halo 1, and we're talking about Halo 2

All better now. I don't play Halo but I think that the CG is great. I'm into 3d games and realtime 3d production in a small way, so any great realtime 3d news get's my attention.

Bungie doesn't want to give up on the Xbox just yet... Good marketing and partnership strategy, pleasing all parties involved. Also the limits of the Xbox give Bungie a stable developement platform that also evens the playablity level. On a PC only the strong can survive a match these days. Hope that changes soon and both highend PC owners and lowend users will be evenly matched on the networks.