shave/haircut 2.0 for ....CD4??!!??

[leigh]

:cry:

[UofM_Guy]

I hope joe alter will someday see how much the artists of the lightwave community love his project and whatever issues must be going on with lightwave and him is only hurting us. I loved working with his program and as an artist love what he is trying to acomplish. Yes i know there is a lot of love for sasquatch out there which is a fine program and getting better. Hairspray is closing the gap on shave and a haircut but having to use stuff like motion designer for your dynamics slows down the creative process. As an artist i live to work in a free form manner. A lot like sculpture joe's program give the artist the fredom to play and create. the more freedom you give to the creative side of your brain the better results you will see. I come from what you would i guess call a traditional art background and get excited when i see porgrams that can give me the freedom to create like haveing a pencil in my hand.

[Julez4001]

http://www.joealter.com/front_page/xmen.jpg

At first, sas looked better than Shave, bit I got admit Shave looking a lot better these days.

[Rumors]

Shave & a Haircut and Messiah are the 2 reasons I won't buy software that's not finished anymore. Joe never released a finished Shave for LW, and he never completed the doc's like he said he would.

Be cautious C4D users, if Joe wakes up on the wrong side of the bed one morning, he might just cut all support for your program.

It does look good though :)

[Werner]

I think Shave & a Haircut makes Sasquatch look old man!
I've seen the integrated Shave in XSI...it's amazing. Just the fact that you can see the dynamics in the viewport while moving your object, made me want to have it.

[CIM]

We can thank Newtek for not having Shave 2.0 for LW. :applause:

Shave & a Haircut and Messiah are the 2 reasons I won't buy software that's not finished anymore. Joe never released a finished Shave for LW, and he never completed the doc's like he said he would.

So, you'd call LW or any other software "finished"? Bwah ha!

Anyway, lets hope we see Sas. 2.0 soon, and that it'll have features to make up for what the current version lacks. Heck, even Maya 5.0's default fur whoops Sas. on most things.

[Rumors]

Or maybe a miracle, and we'll see Shave for Messiah and I can finally use both pieces of software.

[robinson]

Originally posted by CIM
Heck, even Maya 5.0's default fur whoops Sas. on most things.

OH YEAHHHH, and that's in the chaep $ 8000 Maya version. !!! :banghead:

You now CIM complete is not toooooo complete !!!:p

[CIM]

You now CIM complete is not toooooo complete !!!

Well, it's more "complete" than LW, but if you want all the extras (fluids, fur, cloth, match moving), I guess you'll have to pay for them.

[Facial Deluxe]

I can't believe Shave was first developed for LW and not anymore.
That's unfair:cry: :annoyed: :thumbsdow

[anieves]

humm, maybe Joe got pissed off at Newtek for having a lite version of Sas in LW... some companies hate the idea of competition, maybe that was the case here.

BTW Shave is also avail. in the C4D OSX version...:eek:


shave C4D OSX (http://maxon.net/pages/dyn_files/dyn_htx/htx/582/00582_00582_3_l.jpg)

[Chaz]

Well, a few months back Joe Alter did post an ad on the LW plugin discussion group, saying he was looking for a programmer familiar with the Lightwave SDK...maybe he's going to reconsider.

[private]

I think Siggraph will show where most things stand. That includes Shave for LW, Sas 2.0, preview of the features for LW8, the release of 7.5d and the whole Lux thing will come to light. Siggraph this year should be interesting and informative. I'm sure by the end of the show, we'll see what we do have and what we don't have.

[lwbob]

Originally posted by UofM_Guy
I hope joe alter will someday see how much the artists of the lightwave community love his project and whatever issues must be going on with lightwave and him is only hurting us.

I guess you didn't see all the nasty hate email that was going around right before he decided LW wasn't a priority. A lot of it was on the worley group.

[lwbob]

Originally posted by private
I think Siggraph will show where most things stand. That includes Shave for LW, Sas 2.0, preview of the features for LW8, the release of 7.5d and the whole Lux thing will come to light.

7.5d? Doubtful, At least with 7.5b NT announced they were working on a patch. I haven't heard anything about NT seeing a need for another patch.

[rock]

I don't know about you guys, but I follow exactly 2 of the long hair tutorials from the Worley website. There are only basically 3 dialog boxes in Sasquatch and each of those dialog has a limit amount of options.

I enter the same values as the ones in the two tutorials and render. And in both cases, instead of getting something like human hair, I get Sasquatch or animal hair. Those tutorials look good on the surface, but when you delve into it, you begin to wonder if there are secret or lazy steps they are missing.

Anyway, I will be alright by looking at the samples that comes with Sasquatch and grind my way out.

[Chewey]

Originally posted by Julez4001
http://www.joealter.com/front_page/xmen.jpg

At first, sas looked better than Shave, bit I got admit Shave looking a lot better these days.

I don't find those shots all that impressive actually. Xmen2 was a bit of a bore as well.

[ub52]

Originally posted by Rumors
Shave & a Haircut and Messiah are the 2 reasons I won't buy software that's not finished anymore. Joe never released a finished Shave for LW, and he never completed the doc's like he said he would.

Be cautious C4D users, if Joe wakes up on the wrong side of the bed one morning, he might just cut all support for your program.

It does look good though :)

I could care less if you call it finished or not. Within the realms of the software we use, that is a very subjective and actually meaningless term. What I do care about though, is how well a program is supported. At the time I purchased Shave, Joe was very active on the then EGroups forum. He was very approachable and readlily answered questions. The cool thing from my perspective was that as he made enhancements to the program he would release the updates and we got to use it right away, no waiting for some point release.

I'm not sure of the reasons Joe decided to stop developing Shave for LW, but I've heard elsewhere that at some point he is planning to pick it up again. Until then I'll just have to get by somehow. The bottom line is that we have no guarantees that any company will continue to support a product. If you go into any purchase realizing that, then who is realy to blame. I know it's a bummer, but hey, caca pasa.

-ub52

[lwbob]

Originally posted by Chewey
I don't find those shots all that impressive actually. Xmen2 was a bit of a bore as well.

I agree that the hair looks like it is glowing and isn't that impressive. EDIT: That would be the VFX crew's fault I don't believe any problems you may feel exist with X2's storyline is Joe's fault.

[Chewey]

Originally posted by lwbob
I agree that the hair looks like it is glowing and isn't that impressive. EDIT: That would be the VFX crew's fault I don't believe any problems you may feel exist with X2's storyline is Joe's fault.

You mean that Joe's shave didn't also help with the storyline?
:rolleyes:

a shocking revelation!:scream:

[lwbob]

Originally posted by Chewey
You mean that Joe's shave didn't also help with the storyline?
:rolleyes:


You were the one that felt the review was needed for the thread.

[Chewey]

Originally posted by lwbob
You were the one that felt the review was needed for the thread.

Oh dear, it must be a first. Someone has veered slightly off topic here at CGTalk and offended an X2 fanboy!

Alert the media!!


:applause:

[Mwai Kasamale]

I don't blame Joe for dumping LW, there is no way to work effectively and efficiently with Shave and LW when you have to jump from one to the other and have no means of previewing collisions, no way of seeing preset hairstlyes ala XSI and now C4D, LW and shave were never ment to be. THUMBNAILS!!! It was cumbersome at best and who uses Shave with LW anyway GO WORLEY, Shave has some advanced features but SAS will only get better with LW SHAVE is as is, and needs Renderman, LW or MentalRay to look good, It wasn;t even convincing in X anyway, but well done nonetheless. Stick to SAS, I for one won;t miss it.

My 2cents

[Chewey]

Yeah, those attached X2 clips look horrid.
So was the film for the matter.

[robinson]

I don’t think these shave/haircut pictures on the maxon page look to great, compared to the Sasquatch Gallery.:curious:

Just one thing that would be interesting for me to know, how fast is the shave/haircut rendering.:shrug:

[Per-Anders]

i really don't see what the surprise is with you guys, shave has been out for c4d for a long time, since v1 (we're talking over a year here). and yes that's both osx and win versions. i'm surprised you don't keep up to date with how other apps have changed in over a year.

the thing you have to remember with shave is that sure the results are nice, but it's got to be the slowest hair solution out there. personally in 99 cases out of a hundered i'd take a speedier but not 100% accurate solution than something that takes hours to render a basic frame.

[CIM]

The problem with Sas. is that it has no good styling, dynamic, or preview tools, while Shave has great ones.

As for speed, Sas. used to be considerably faster than Shave, but it's speed and quality has been improved since the LW days alot. Overall, the quality of Shave's hair/fur is more realistic.

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