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Muv Bloated
06-12-2003, 10:27 PM
I'm setting up a simple system for a friend of mine to start off with, because she has shown an interest in 3D. She's already spent heaps on the software alone, so this machine was just to serve as a gift.

Anyway, the problem is, when moving a model around swiftly in the view, both Maya 5, and/or 3ds Max 5.1 will crash. The odd thing is, it's not a literal crash, but rather the monitors goes black and the power LED blinks (on the monitor). However, the computer remains on, despite the only way to get the monitor to display again, is to restart the machine.

This all didn't happen until I installed the Detonator 43.51 drivers and MAXtreme 4.00.29.00.

Relevant Specs -
CPU - AMD Athlon XP 2500
MOBO - Asus A7N8X Deluxe
MEM - 1GB Corsair 2700 XMS
GCard - Nvidia Quadro 550 XGL (for now)
OS - Windows 2000 Pro with latest packs.
Monitors are Viewsonic P95f+B's (19")
DirectX 8.1 is installed, if this matters.

Also, a note, everything works fine if I SoftQuadro my old Geforce 3 card and use the older detonator drivers, and older version of MAXtreme with her machine. Would it be a better solution just to get her a GeForce4 Ti 4200 and SQ4 it? I'm not a rookie when it comes to building machines, but building them for this use is sort of new to me, not too long ago built my own, using a Quadro4 900 XGL, and it works fine. I have no idea what's going on...

Muv Bloated
06-13-2003, 05:28 AM
I have no idea what was going on, but I went back to the 43.03 drivers and everything seems to be working fine now.

Still, any word on what you think could've caused this is still welcomed. As others may very well have this same problem or something that's similar.

MaDSheeP
06-13-2003, 05:29 AM
oh wow, that sounds like a serious problem with the video card...

if you have any way of testing.. i'd say slap another 550 in there =\

but perhaps with the newer drivers, it causes the card to have some kinda hardware crash?

try installing the manufacturer's drivers, instead of nvidia's

Muv Bloated
06-13-2003, 05:40 AM
That's a good idea MaDSheeP, I will try that.

vizion
06-13-2003, 06:26 AM
listen Muv, I fried an albatron GForce 4200 ti 8x within three months from softquadroing it. I suggest you either leave the card as is, or get a professional one if u must. My monitor used to behave similarly, in that if i ever turned a model in a viewport, the screen would go blank for several seconds, after which everything reutrned to normal for several minutes. This kept on repeating untill all of the text and lines on the screen became garbled and distorted. I had th=o send the whole thing back just to get another vid card..msi gforce 4200, and this time i ain't touching it.

Muv Bloated
06-13-2003, 07:13 AM
Nah, I'm just seeing if it was a viable alternative. Being that I've never tried it, I didn"t want to just defeat it without some other's, who has tried it, opinions.

That sucks majorly about your card though, man.

GregHess
06-13-2003, 11:27 AM
With nvidia cards, if you ever have a problem, try a different driver set. If you still have a problem, try a different driver set.

The nice thing about nvidia cards? The huge # of driver sets.

The bad thing about nvidia cards? The fact they need a huge # of driver sets.

Speed Racer
06-13-2003, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by MaDSheeP
try installing the manufacturer's drivers, instead of nvidia's

There is no such thing any more. All NVIDIA driver development is handled only by NVIDIA and all Quadro boards are made by NVIDIA anyway.

What should have been done here was to go to Alias|Wavefront and Discreet. In both cases the 43.51 is the certified driver for those apps and both vendors would have tracked down the issue and gotten it fixed by NVIDIA or fixed it if it was the applications.

NVIDIA/AW/discreet can only fix problems they know about and maybe you found one in a particular config that they have never seen.

If it was one they knew about then they would have told you how to fix it.

You bought the software so I don't understand why you wouldn't follow the proper steps to get it fixed with a supported/certified config.

Speed Racer
06-13-2003, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by GregHess
The bad thing about nvidia cards? The fact they need a huge # of driver sets.

Thanks for the productive and misleading input to the thread.

Muv Bloated
06-13-2003, 09:52 PM
Thanks for the advices. As far as not following the "proper" steps, I myself have never had a problem with anything on my machine. This is somone else's machine, and I'd prefer to try everything that I could, before contacting either of these companies for a long drawn out support call. These are three different companies which we are talking about, and through them, the problem would likely not have been resolved within a weeks time.

I am very aware of the 43.51, and it's actually what I'm using on my machine, thus that's why I tried it first....and as mentioned above, this is the driver that she had a problem with.

I asked for advice, people gave advice, wasn't really looking for a speech on proper support conventions, but thanks anyway.

Speed Racer
06-13-2003, 11:53 PM
The speech comes from endless threads about graphics driver and application problems that people need help with. On top of that ATI and NVIDIA get no end of grief for driver bugs that people should be getting support from their ISV for and they are not.

Unfortunately, too often it is people that can't get support from these ISVs for unspoken reasons so these companies take the hit from all these threads and complaints when most of them could be fixed or have already been fixed.

GregHess
06-14-2003, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by Speed Racer
Thanks for the productive and misleading input to the thread.

Thanks for useless comments and inquisitive questions.

Lance22
06-15-2003, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by Speed Racer
Thanks for the productive and misleading input to the thread.

Originally posted by GregHess
Thanks for useless comments and inquisitive questions.

Thank you both for the comedy! =]

Im thinking that this forum could use a couple of sticky threads...

1. Which video card? ati, nvidia, softquad, diff models, benchmarks, and whatever else related. Plus everyone could nitpick, speculate, help out, give opinions / options.

2. Video card help / trouble shooting, what system specs, which drivers? for which software? for what mode? etc. In order to trouble shoot problems, or privide advice to fix problems or improve performance.

What do you all think?:shrug:

loop29
06-15-2003, 11:50 AM
You should try out an earlier driver. Keep in mind that upcoming drivers are optimized for current graphics hardware, FX in this case. Earlier drivers like 40.xx till 42.xx should serve your needs for the Quadro 4 550 XGL! I personally would recommend 41.09 as this is the driver which was running flawlessly. So why donīt you need the newest set of drivers? Cause the main purpose for this driver is implementing Geforce FX / Quadro FX functionality for latest Cine FX engine.

regards

CgFX
06-15-2003, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by loop29
You should try out an earlier driver. Keep in mind that upcoming drivers are optimized for current graphics hardware, FX in this case.

This is not totally accurate. nVidia's driver is unified and performance tuning is applicable to all the current and previous products. We have seen very strong performance gains from older hardware as a result of this single driver policy.

elvis
06-15-2003, 11:38 PM
i've said it a million times, and i'll say it once more:

the 4X.XX series of drivers are heavily optimised for pixel shader based video cards. the quadro4-550 is based on the geforce4-mx core, which does not contian the pixel shader hardware (only vertex shader).

my advice is for anyone using geforce1/2/2MX/4MX cards to stick with the 30.82 WHQL drivers (this includes the quadro1/2/4-550 cards too). if you are using a geforce3/4ti/FX (and quadroDCC/FX/4-750 and above), then try the 40 series drivers and above.

nvidia always have and always will optimise their current series of drivers for their current cards. i fyou use an older card, try dropping back to drivers that were released at the same time as that card.

you can always find a bucketload of old drivers at places like http://www.guru3d.com and the like.

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