BIM a threat for archviz?

[Srek]

Creating a good visualization needs different skills than creating the actual building.
I would expect this to make your job easier, not unneccesary.

Cheers
Björn

[IlaySHP]

1. from revit you can use models in fbx format(revit 2008-2009)
or if will get several errors with it, check at ad-site fbx-converter(2009 version :))
it has collada support too(for new 11-build of c4d)
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2. argh, revit ;) ...anyway nice solution gave by exchange modules with another bim-software, look at http://www.maxon.net/pages/dyn_files/dyn_htx/htx/sol_archi_e.html ... right upper corner - "Connection CINEMA 4D works..."
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additionally all bim-sofware have tradional ifc-support, so if have archicad, you can export as ifc-model from revit(client exported), then open in archicad. So you can use c4d-archicad exchage.

[ThirdEye]

archicad and allplan have been BIM apps for more than a decade and they're never been a threat at all for anyone but Autocad.

[georgedrakakis]

BIM software is a great help for architects, it saves a lot of time, and you get a pretty good picture of what the building is gonna look like.
Imho, BIM 3d data is a good starting point for the next step->archi-viz.

[castroman]

Revit has been around for some time, even before Autodesk purchased it.
I use Revit a lot in my daily work. It is a lot easier to create fast renders in it, especially now since Mental Ray has been included in the package. Most of the time, the output you get from Revit is sufficient for quick illustrations. If you want photorealistic work or animations, then using something like cinema or max is easier for both speed and flexibility. Revit doesn't have distributed rendering and its rendering options are more limited.

My wish is that there would be a link between Revit and cinema, that would be nice.

[tomglod]

I think its what we humans call evolution!

[lllab]

be happy when you customers do the modelling. visualisation is most about rendering. not only modelling.

the porblem with these models are that they are often not ready to render. so you muts learnt he customer guidlines how to modell correct or repair the modells for s certain amount of money.

ofter all, bim is good and one way to go. but all highend arch stuff is modelled not in bim apps but mostly in rhino by the way;-)
cienma4d can open exported rhinomodells also well. a direct rhino importer like modo has would be cool of course too. rhino is the plattform like SU for more highend stuff and parametric modelling.

cheers
stefan

[castroman]

Rhino is great for modelling high end stuff, but you can do high end in Revit as well, its just a matter of how well you can model in Revit. The backend in Revit is Nurbs so its just a matter of knowing the ins and outs.

It also has 3 levels of quality so you can set your models to coarse/medium/high, great if you have a high quality model that has been made in Revit but don't wanna work in high quality until its time to render.

[lllab]

rhino has rhinoscript and grasshopper. no way to do this in revit;-)

the young architects program their fassades today, develop genetic growing architecture in rhino.very cool stuff is donen there. very different to to common cad or bim apps.
hadid, himmelblau or all the younger crowed need those things rhino offers.

the nice is cinema4d fits perfect for them, imports rhino nicely, now that there is vray not only on autodesk plattform but also on maxon plattform, many architects are not in the need anymore to buy 3dmax (most i know only bought this because of vray). now they could switch to cinema....

i hope maxon sees the potential. even more now as xsi is also gone away to autodesk... this could be actually a BIG chance for maxon. their plattform offers great solutions fo all who dont want to obey autodesk.

cheers
stefan

[IlaySHP]

Stefan, if somebody need any scripting languge(closer vbscript or vb.net) in revit, make it in visual.net(same in rhino too, GH is .net plugin) as scripting framework.
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Rhino, cinema4d... and 3d-parametric in bim-software(allplan, revit, archi.. ;)) are only prototyping tools for architects(creation of forms, structures). All technical data are making in 2d(any drafting tools, second parts in bim-software)

[moka.studio]

Stefan, if somebody need any scripting languge(closer vbscript or vb.net) in revit, make it in visual.net(same in rhino too, GH is .net plugin) as scripting framework.
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Rhino, cinema4d... and 3d-parametric in bim-software(allplan, revit, archi.. ;)) are only prototyping tools for architects(creation of forms, structures). All technical data are making in 2d(any drafting tools, second parts in bim-software)

Well in theory, BIM models are meant to work as exchange files as well to get specs from consultants and engineers, so they are technical drawings, not just prototyping tools (this is the way Catia works as well). Actually they are not very well suited to prototyping at all, since you need to invest enough time to setup dependencies etc... they are most suited for running projects.

Rhino is one of the most popular tools used in Architectural 'prototyping' as you call it, at least for complex projects. I second Stefan on this.
We are used to getting Rhino models from most of the clients that we work with, that design complex projects.

As far as the original post goes: BIM will not render nice images for you automatically. There have been render engines around for years, and there was always a need for visualisation. The same was true before CGI anyway, just because you can draft does not mean you can produce a stunning image.
Be happy when you get a model from your client, and can concentrate on the render aspect. The trick of course is to get model you can work from .....

[rikke]

Thanks for the replies, it's good to hear there's not too much to worry about, on the contrary. And as said, I never wanted to minimalize the artistic skills needed to make a decent archviz image. I'm going to look into the fbx format, thanks for pointing that out.

[IlaySHP]

Jean-Pierre, thank you.
Jean-Pierre, i'm civil engineer, previous work was technical assistant for main architect.
So such thoughts are... ;)
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Well in theory, BIM models are meant to work as exchange files as well to get specs from consultants and engineers, so they are technical drawings, not just prototyping tools (this is the way Catia works as well).
Gehry Technologies Digital Project has too(based at catia tech.)
I will attend seminars about it next year...

[castroman]

rhino has rhinoscript and grasshopper. no way to do this in revit;-)

cheers
stefan

That grasshopper plugin looks really cool. Looks like a designers dream :) There is an extension for Revit that allows you to do modelling based on an excel sheet, I haven't had a chance to try it yet, but I hear that it is really powerful.

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