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Hassaan
10-24-2008, 10:20 AM
http://i33.tinypic.com/34xgsyd.jpg

hey guys!
I just want to let you know that i have set up a new website selling high quality trees and plants at very reasonable prices the site is called floraworks3d.com. My plan is to create a massive database of plants and trees (anything to do with flora) cheap enough for hobbyists yet good enough for commercial projects

all the software i use is legal and not pirated i use my own textures etc and model all my tree in a legal copy of xfrog 4.3 and cinema 4d

here are some pictures!

http://www.floraworks3d.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/douglasfir.jpg

http://www.floraworks3d.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/americanelm.jpg

http://www.floraworks3d.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/fieldpoppy.jpg

http://www.floraworks3d.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/gnarlyoak.jpg

http://www.floraworks3d.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/densegrass.jpg

prices:

grasses flowers and shrubs = 3 models for $3
bushes = 3 for $5
Hero trees (very hq trees) = 1 for $7
standard trees (every species) = 3 for $10

so these prices are very reasonable!

there are 7 formats available as well

3ds
obj wavefront
lightwave .lws scene with .lwo object
terragen 2 .tgo (fully textured just drag and drop)
vue .vob (fully textured just drag and drop)
truespace .cob
vray mesh for vray proxies .vrmesh

well feel free to have a browse through the site there is only about 31 products on at the moment but more get added daily!

for more info visit
http://www.floraworks3d.com

thanks jack:thumbsup: (founder of floraworks)

p.s
at the moment i am very busy getting the site together but in a few months i will be availible for hire if anyone wants me to model specific plants just give me an email at
marsh@floraworks3d.com

Glacierise
10-24-2008, 11:40 AM
Hey excelent site! I hope you make some good biz!

Hassaan
10-24-2008, 07:18 PM
thankyou Glacierise!!
there will be a lot of freedies as well (still very hq) that will be added very soon

WWalker
10-26-2008, 05:54 PM
Congrads on getting the site up and running mate. I've used his stuff before and can vouch for its quality.

BUZZFX
10-27-2008, 12:40 AM
prices:

grasses flowers and shrubs = 3 models for $3
bushes = 3 for $5
Hero trees (very hq trees) = 1 for $7
standard trees (every species) = 3 for $10

so these prices are very reasonable!

Too Reasonable I'm afraid!

Jack, your models look great but I think your prices are too low though. IMO offering prices that are this low (3 grass, flower and shrub models for $3, 1 High Quality Tree for $7) only hurts the model industry and devalues art and 3D in general.

Please, your time and talents are worth more than $3 for 3 trees If I were you I would seriously take another look at your prices. Look at other sites selling similar products and price your products accordingly.

I'm not saying this to be critical but as an artist but I see 3D and art in general being devalued by an uneducated public. As an artist I am continuously having to educate my clients as to the value of the art I provide them.

Your plants look great, but seriously rethink your prices. :)

Hassaan
10-27-2008, 10:21 AM
I understand what you mean but I am not going to change my prices.
the prices of models on the Internet are far far to dear for what they are such as this
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-3ds-02---ancient-tree/386554
my aim is to provide models cheap enough for small hobbyists yet high enough in quality for any professional artist. models plants models inpaticular are far to dear for what they are and its time someone stepped outside the square for once and let every one have a quality product

Walli
10-27-2008, 11:08 AM
well, I guess this Trubosquid example is not really representative for average pricing on Turbosquid or elsewhere ;-)

mushroomgod
10-27-2008, 12:15 PM
I understand what you mean but I am not going to change my prices.
the prices of models on the Internet are far far to dear for what they are such as this
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-3ds-02---ancient-tree/386554
my aim is to provide models cheap enough for small hobbyists yet high enough in quality for any professional artist. models plants models inpaticular are far to dear for what they are and its time someone stepped outside the square for once and let every one have a quality product

that has to be a joke.


OH...nice site

BUZZFX
10-27-2008, 05:00 PM
I understand what you mean but I am not going to change my prices.
the prices of models on the Internet are far far to dear for what they are such as this
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-3ds-02---ancient-tree/386554
my aim is to provide models cheap enough for small hobbyists yet high enough in quality for any professional artist. models plants models inpaticular are far to dear for what they are and its time someone stepped outside the square for once and let every one have a quality product

I was just trying to offer you some sage advice. Your example is a little extreme. Most vegetation for sale on the web anywhere between $10 - and $40 so showing a tree that is $1600 IMO does not support your reasoning.

I wish you all the best in your new store. :)

Hassaan
10-27-2008, 10:43 PM
of coarse it is an extream price i was just showing how stupid these prices get i should have really shown you a lower price as well sorry

captain brainiac
10-28-2008, 01:51 AM
Super idea! ... Nice Website!... and i don't want to be the party pooper! :shrug:

Prepare to get trouble!


... from the greenworks eula!

You May:

As a licensed user of this Product, you may create still images, animations, or any other rendered output in any format for any purpose from this Product. Once you've created an image or animation, you may use it however you like. This means you can sell, give away, use in projects at work, use in greeting cards, use in personal or client websites, use in illustrations, advertisements, use to create tangible replicas, etc..


You May Not:

As a licensed user of this Product, you are not permitted to use the contents provided here to create derivative works from these works, or created works based on these works, which are intended to compete with, the contents of this Product. You are not permitted to distribute any of the contents of the Product to a 3rd party.


So every model you sell, generated by Xfrog is a violation of their Eula (End User License Agreement) which means ...trouble...!
Perhaps you reconsider your business idea! :hmm:

DePaint
10-28-2008, 02:09 AM
I wonder if the Greenworks EULA is talking about all trees modeled with Xfrog or just the ready made templates that ship with the software.

In any case, there is another well featured tree and plant generator for C4D called DPIT

http://www.dpit2.de/features/treesflowers.html

Maybe the EULA for it is less restrictive.

Hassaan
10-28-2008, 02:22 AM
many people sell xfrog models on sites and they never get in trouble so i will continue to sell my models

Atwooki
10-28-2008, 02:49 AM
I think it very admirable :)

(Of course, time will tell - procedural nuts & seeds a la L-Systems, anyone?)

SilverCity
10-28-2008, 03:29 AM
I wonder..., does the EULA prohibit creating a scene which includes XFrog trees and selling the entire scene as one item?

Walli
10-28-2008, 10:45 AM
AFAIK the Eula doesn´t allow to sell work which bases on Xfrog models provided by Greenworks - but its not talking about completly selfmade models. Xfrog is not a generator, its more kind of a modeleling application.

To be on the safe side you might contact Greenworks.

Hassaan
10-28-2008, 08:33 PM
yes I will contact them for all if my models i use xfrog as the base application but they are all heavely modified outside of the xfrog toolset in cinema4d but i will contact them anyway

xfrog
10-29-2008, 04:29 AM
Yes, that would violate our EULA. Making a sale of a set of our trees is still attempting to resale copyrighted works.

stewart mcsherry
ceo | xfrog inc.
503 Boccaccio Ave.
Venice CA 90291
310 933 5949
www.xfrog.com (http://www.xfrog.com)

xfrog
10-29-2008, 04:43 AM
Anything you build from scratch using Xfrog 4.3 for c4d, or Maya, or the Xfrog 3.5 standalone, with a legally purchased copy of the software, is your own work. that is our position. we just do not allow anyone to resell our models, parts of our models, renders, billboards, textures, and all that. we worked hard to make that stuff. and we dont like pirated versions used to make things that are resold.

but just to be clear - we do not attempt to say we own the creative output of Xfrog. it is a software program, and you make whatever you want and do what you want. (unlike onyxtree and a few others)

we do have about 3000 trees bushes plants and grasses out there for electronic download.

turbosquid.com searchterm xfrog

cornucopia3d.com searchterm xfrog

they are from $ 5 - $ 10 per model. ($ 30 for 3 variations on TS, and a bit less on cornucopia3d) or you can buy DVDs of 60 models for $149 ($2.50 a model) from our site or worldwide reseller in your area.

If you buy Xfrog 3.5, you can edit any of the models that you buy (branching, curvature, phototropism, etc. etc.) very easy to edit, so you have limitless variations. you cannot resell those models but you can use them in your renders and animations.

We are cheap, we write all our own software, and we have employed professional botanical experts.

-burp.

sorry to hijack your thread, i just wanted to answer questions and mention our plants are out there at a very low price point (and in 8, 3d formats on the DVDs).

probably i should shut up now

stewart mcsherry
ceo | xfrog inc
503 boccacio ave
venice ca 90291

Hassaan
10-29-2008, 10:57 PM
hello xfrog I am glad that's cleared up i model all my models from scratch and don't use any of your trees for my modeling i just wanted to make that clear
thanks for replying!

xfrog
10-30-2008, 01:13 AM
Thanks, hassaan. How can i get in touch with Jack Marsh and Paul Carpeter - maybe we can talk? i am s@xfrog.com (http://forums.cgsociety.org/s@xfrog.com)

xfrog
10-30-2008, 01:21 AM
there was a lawsuit / threat by OnyxTree awhile ago, based on that using their software, was actually only moving sliders around. They argued that moving sliders of software that they created, does not constitute making an original work. finite number of slider settings exist. Something along those lines. Xfrog is also more or less sliders, e.g. algorithmic parameter/parametric-based modeling - you use a visual interface to create a small text file of settings that are fed to the xfrog core engine and that results in a polygonal model based on the procedures involved.

hey i am talking to myself. we don't try to say that using our software creates things that are not unique works. what you make from scratch is your own.

wonderpup
10-30-2008, 01:32 AM
Hero trees

I like this idea a lot- for far too long trees have been taken for granted- how many heroic trees are out there, growing away, completely unrecognised?

Good luck with the site:)

Glacierise
10-30-2008, 01:57 AM
There's also a finite number of pixel color combinations, does that mean that Adobe should own everything painted in Photoshop? Doesn't look credible to me :)

Hassaan
10-30-2008, 02:58 AM
Thanks, hassaan. How can i get in touch with Jack Marsh and Paul Carpeter - maybe we can talk? i am s@xfrog.com
well for a start i am Jack!!! and my email is Marsh@floraworks3d.com

Hassaan
10-30-2008, 03:07 AM
I like this idea a lot- for far too long trees have been taken for granted- how many heroic trees are out there, growing away, completely unrecognised?

Good luck with the site:)

yep their will be a lot of hero trees that will be going online very soon! the next hero tree will be a tree called a Druid olive it is very high res with roots olive's etc

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