WiP -- gestural problem

[CybrGfx]

That's because you didn't plan it, it's an add-on. And it looks like what it is.

It's positioned in such a way, she should be able to just sit down and slide on it.
The arm anatomy looks cut and paste, because the entire body stance would have to shift.
Why not get rid of the hokey, contrived-looking add on, and just stop with the spear.

It's not like that shield would do her a bit of good with that goofy outfit. A good breeze at the right instant, or her moving a bit too fast, and the foo-foo tit scarves would be her instant downfall. Literally. This gets my "least effective outfit for battle" award this year, and I've seen a LOT of barely clothed female warrior-types on these boards, believe me...lololol!

While we're on the subject of horrid anatomy, that lower back arch with her ass jutting out behind her so hard that her pelvis is beneath her, and her stomach is sticking out in front, is bad. Very, VERY bad. You could almost put a saddle on the top of her ass, and place a midget riding her...
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7501/rideemqf1.jpg
She's a woman, not an emu with breasts!
http://judaica.library.usyd.edu.au/photoexhibit/photographs/exhibit5/emu.jpg

Other than the beyond bad anatomy, and totally unrealistic battle gear, the rendering on this is gorgeous! The skin shading, the hair, the ear wings are an especially nice touch, although they DO reinforce the ridable emu effect...

This piece is an excellent example of how all the beautiful styling in the world and bright, saturated colors, will NOT compensate or cover for bad anatomy...
I say paint out the shield, and feather her out more like a circus freak...

Seriously, to fix this, you would basically have to amputate the left arm and cut her off at the belly button and redraw those sections. It is truly that bad...

~C

[cookiekiller]

while I appreciate your l comment, I will stick with my armor design as well as the exaggerated proportions of her torso as those are personal design choices .

The moment I enlarged the canvas size, I knew it will cause problems as her gesture is not what I have planned . But seeing how many others have got helpful and encouraging suggestions I thought I could try ask for advices here also . Thanks for what you pointed out , but what I'd like to know is whether by rotating her shoulder /elbow/wrists , her left arm can be altered without contradicting the rest of her body/gesture .

[korthuran]

No it's not possible without changing a lot. You should really reconsider the lower body. If you want her to hold the shield like that behind her your going to have to throw the entire shoulder out further and with her butt sticking out like that your going to have to force the elbow and arm further back (way back) in order to have the shield both look proper and not appear to be sharing the same space.

[CybrGfx]

...but what I'd like to know is whether by rotating her shoulder /elbow/wrists , her left arm can be altered without contradicting the rest of her body/gesture .No. Your anatomy is bad from the start. Altering bad does not make it less bad...Similar to the old, "two wrongs don't make it right..."

Sad that your personal preferences choose bad anatomy as attractive, but whatever floats your boat...

~C

[cookiekiller]

in order to have the shield both look proper and not appear to be sharing the same space.


Thanks ! I think that's what I couldn't put my finger on . I will do some more researches and
try some alternative solutions . Thank you for the helpful advice .

[cookiekiller]

Sad that your personal preferences choose bad anatomy as attractive, but whatever floats your boat...

~C

Like I said, it's a personal design choice, just like some cartoon figures has only 3 fingers and a thumb . However you feel about her bikini armor ( laff ) or the exaggerated torso is your preference, please don't force it on others . Until you can come up with specific / helpful solutions, I will just stick with what other ppl have suggested and go from there .

[Kirt]

*sigh* :curious:

If it were possible for CybrGfx to give a critique without all the liberal use of the word "bad" and snarky bits of humor then I think you might pick up on the valuable critique that she is providing here. Unfortunately, the value of the critique is lost in the undertone of humiliation and derogatory commentry that you may feel is being directed at you in the form of a personal attack.

So, in an attempt at making well with this thread I'll give you my critique ...

The anatomy of the lower torso is weird. It has an appearance of two different reference images welded together at around the belly button area. There is nothing wrong with using references for your character poses. Just make sure that the spine is not severed in the process of combining poses. You can tell, due to the position and angle of the hips and pubis area that the female should be in a more horizontal position. The spine will not curve that dramatically from the tail bone to the lower back regardless of what style you're trying to emulate. It just looks mutated and wrong.

From the belly button up, you have a vertically standing figure. Try to bend your hips while standing erect. Your upper body will forcefully pitch forward if you do so. So what CybrGfx is saying, is that (1) your character has a broken back; (2) is indeed pieced together with another body; or (3) you should correct this area because it's more damaging to the image than a shield that doesn't seem to fit in her hand properly.

Additionally, you didn't correct her right elbow bend when you added the spear to the hand. Her arm is now too short by comparison to her left arm. A straight arm down, holding a spear, will hang lower than the hip bone.

Once you've corrected the lower torso and the spear arm, then you should worry about where the shield arm is situated. Yes, it is weird because the shield is occupying the same space as her buttocks. But until you've corrected the other areas you'll just be adding this blindly in no relation to the rest of her anatomy and pose.

Good luck with your WIP. I do like the colors, saturation levels and stylish hair on this one. :thumbsup:

[secretasianman]

Here he comes to save the day, kurt is on his way.......hehe, sorry up to late and to much caffeine.

I think i am going to make a thread here soon when i get ore pics to post. There has been alot of art in comics and media with women that have weirdly proportioned body parts, alot of it stems from manga.

to me she seems like a girl with hyper lordosis. For some reason some guys find it attractive, just the only prob is the bottom half of her pelvis is elongated.

But to the question at hand, ya you are going to have to do a bit of work to actually make the arm look right instead of making her look like a contortionist.

Oh by the way im not making up the hyper lordosis thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lordosis

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Ou_bien_le_dos_rond_la_cyphose_cest-a-dire_a_convwxite_posterieure.jpg/266px-Ou_bien_le_dos_rond_la_cyphose_cest-a-dire_a_convwxite_posterieure.jpg

Kinda freaky i know, i just got back a little bit ago from physical therapy class and surprising enough there was a girl there with hyper lordosis, but in some cases it actually looks good on people and she was one of those cases.

Also a reason i am so out of touch with drawing, been out of practice for to long.

[secretasianman]

Oh yea i forgot for some reason i don't like the pike. it just doesn't seem to really fit.

[korthuran]

Because it's pointing upward but the natural and relaxed stance of the upper torso and the position of the hand would suggest that it should be hanging and pointing down. To hold it as it is would be either holding it loosely with just one or two fingers or really bending the wrist in an uncomfortable manner.

[cookiekiller]

hehe hi Kirt, thank you for the insight, I think you were right . Her personality makes it hard to read between the lines. After posting this thread, I browsed through some other ppl's posts, and she seem to be able to point out problems with manner on some while being rude on some others. I guess she was probably just having a bad day when writting reply to mine.

as for the torso, you are right I couldn't find a real picture of that body type in the pose , so I stuck 2 pieces of eraser on the pelvis of the stick figer, and used that as reference for this painting . I will take a closer look at her spine and how far I arched it too .
http://h1.ripway.com/CGtalk%20stuff/valkyries/Untitled-1.jpg

As for the hyper lordosis you mentioned , Secretasianman, hehehe no I did not know about that and since I'm female myself I don't find it attractive. There are straight ppl in San Fran too hehe ( just kidding just kidding) As for the spike , maybe I should rotate her right arm and wrist back some? I was so focused on her other arm this one got over looked I guess .

Thank you for pointing these out and thank you for your advices .

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