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f97ao
10-09-2008, 12:45 PM
Last weekend I found an old dress, some jewelry and a girl. We traveled deep into the forest and found this beautiful spot. My goal is to transform this image so it's even more magical.

http://forums.cgsociety.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=133744
The things I want to do:
- Light beam from the top. As you can see I already done this. Maybe I will pick another angle. I plan on playing with the color, maybe blue or yellow.
- Superimpose with several versions when she is dancing, maybe add motion blur so you feel more that she is dancing.
- Possibly superimpose a pose where she is nude adding a bit of sensuality to the image.
- Add butterflies in the air, glowing.
- Add red flowers or mushrooms in the grass
- Add ruin or old statue someplace in the forsest giving and old feeling
- maybe frame with branches in the front so it feels more like you are looking into the scene.

Things I will watch out for:
- Blending statues or ruins is very hard so it blends in.
- I dont want it too cluttered. Maybe Im adding too many things.
- Do the painted things smaller, this is easier.

Any ideas or tips are welcome.


/Andreas

Vyse-soa
10-09-2008, 01:15 PM
uuuh, nevermind ;)

CybrGfx
10-09-2008, 01:27 PM
Sounds interesting.
None of this shows in what you've uploaded, though.
Sorry, but these forums cannot critique your fantasies...

What you've uploaded shows NO signs of movement, No intimations of how exactly you plan to montage all these images (including a nude!) into a coherent whole. It's just a lady with a shawl standing in a field in a VERY static pose. She looks stiff, with no bend in any of her joints. That will not convert to dancing well. Even Photoshop has it's limitations that the Motion Blur filter cannot fix...

And, excuse me, but what "statues and ruins" are you talking about blending in? I don't see anything to give the impression of statues OR ruins.

The forest background you are using is pretty bad. The trees are DEAD to almost the top of the photograph...You only have a few green boughs bending down from the top...The downed trunks on the ground behind her visually cuts her off at the knees, and she has no visible feet.

Now, just to clarify this thoroughly muddled post...You plan to photo montage this scene into existence, or is this just a visual "placeholder" for you, and you are going to be painting this scene with Photoshop? If it is the former, you need a lot more photographs. If it is the later, you still need more photographs, but not a lot.

The spotlight beaming down looks like some spaceship is ready to beam her up. Magical or not, light beams need to come from somewhere. They don't just spontaneously shine down on anything. Faeries, wizards, or gods, alike...

Do you have any type of compositional sketches made for this? Your layout is quite flat and boring, with the woman centered in front of a bunch of half-dead, nondescript conifers...The lighting for your scene, not even taking into account your "magical spotlight from nowhere," is going to be a nightmare. Even as a photograph it is not working, and converting the concept to reality is going to be a major pain if you don't have a solid compositional foundation beneath you, which, at this point, it does not appear you do...

What is your main focal point? The woman? Then why is she such a small portion of this scene?
What is the mood? If it is happy and dancing, why is your lighting overcast and flat?
The conflict between your stated intention and the static pose will be your biggest hurdle.

I certainly wouldn't be concerning myself with flowers and mushrooms at this stage. You need to concern yourself with your subject and the background MUCH more...

~C

f97ao
10-09-2008, 01:36 PM
Sounds interesting.
None of this shows in what you've uploaded, though.
Sorry, but these forums cannot critique your fantasies...
~C
Hi there. Just a quick reply. The attached image below shows the light beam and details in the air. I just begun this image yesterday so I will post the progression and my thoughts as I go along, this is VIP after all :)
/Andreas

CybrGfx
10-09-2008, 01:43 PM
And the critique you recieved addressed ALL of your image, including the non-viable light beam (although I did not address the details in the air ~ Your image is VERY far from the point of worrrying about "details" in the air, or anywhere, at this stage...)

Re-read what I wrote previously. You have NOT established this image in the way you describe. You are already detailing it, when your foundation is too flimsy, and your concept too unsolidified and unrectified with the image you have uploaded. Light beams will NOT help this, because your compositional foundation is weak.

If this is so VIP, then you need to back up and make sure your composition is strong. Elsewise, it will be a house of cards built on sand.

~C

f97ao
10-09-2008, 01:59 PM
Thanks for the input. I will keep your ideas in mind.

<What you've uploaded shows NO signs of movement, No intimations of how exactly you <plan to montage all these images (including a nude!) into a coherent whole. It's just a <lady with a shawl standing in a field in a VERY static pose. She looks stiff, with no bend <in any of her joints. That will not convert to dancing well. Even Photoshop has it's <limitations that the Motion Blur filter cannot fix...
I have many more images of her dancing (or rotating I guess). I will experiment with adding a few more on top and see what I can do.

<And, excuse me, but what "statues and ruins" are you talking about blending in? I don't <see anything to give the impression of statues OR ruins.

They are not there yet. I have some on layers but Im trying to compose where they should be. I think I will put a few details in the back of the trees. Will come back when I have done some tests.

<The forest background you are using is pretty bad. The trees are DEAD to almost the top <of the photograph...You only have a few green boughs bending down from the top...The <downed trunks on the ground behind her visually cuts her off at the knees, and she has <no visible feet.
I think the background is great. Maybe a bit dead, but I could add more colors to it. Im not sure that its a bad thing they are dead. I think it adds a solemn feel to the image. I will see what I can do with the trunc, it seems like a good idea to take it away.


<Now, just to clarify this thoroughly muddled post...You plan to photo montage this scene <into existence, or is this just a visual "placeholder" for you, and you are going to be <painting this scene with Photoshop? If it is the former, you need a lot more photographs. <If it is the later, you still need more photographs, but not a lot.
I plan to use this photo and several other similar shots from the scene.

<The spotlight beaming down looks like some spaceship is ready to beam her up. Magical <or not, light beams need to come from somewhere. They don't just spontaneously shine <down on anything. Faeries, wizards, or gods, alike...
True, it is intentional from my side that the light has no explanation. I will try several different light compositions though.

<Do you have any type of compositional sketches made for this? Your layout is quite flat <and boring, with the woman centered in front of a bunch of half-dead, nondescript <conifers...The lighting for your scene, not even taking into account your "magical <spotlight from nowhere," is going to be a nightmare. Even as a photograph it is not <working, and converting the concept to reality is going to be a major pain if you don't <have a solid compositional foundation beneath you, which, at this point, it does not <appear you do...
Well I can only try to compose as good as Im capable. :) How do you suggest I change the composition? I like it that it looks like a forest gland with heavy trees around and there is a bit of grass. How should the light be different and the actual composition? Maybe I can do anything with this picture but I could try out different ways when Im out in the forest the next time.

<What is your main focal point? The woman? Then why is she such a small portion of this <scene?
The focus is both the woman and the surroundings. So she is fairly small in the deep forest.

<What is the mood? If it is happy and dancing,
Not completely sure. Mystical is my aim. I will work more on preparing the mood next time. Its not happy dancing for sure. More like the turkish dancers spinning slowly.

<why is your lighting overcast and flat?
The sun was just setting. What light situation do you think would have worked best here?

<The conflict between your stated intention and the static pose will be your biggest hurdle.
Ok. I will try mixing the other images when she is moving, some have more movement in them. If they are not moving enough I will make her be more static, I kind of like that too.

<I certainly wouldn't be concerning myself with flowers and mushrooms at this stage. You <need to concern yourself with your subject and the background MUCH more...
Ok, I will take away the tree, see if I want to do something with the brown trees and experiment with her dancing.

Thanks for the pointers!
/Andreas

f97ao
10-09-2008, 02:00 PM
If this is so VIP, then you need to back up and make sure your composition is strong. Elsewise, it will be a house of cards built on sand.
~C
Good idea, I often loose myself in details since that is my strength. Will work on the big things and come back in a while.
/Andreas

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