Painter XI news from a source...

[Fes]

Thanks for the info Smooth Operator. Sounds like they're listening. All seems hopeful that the next version will be interesting.

[Miguimau]

It sounds great. Thanks for bringing it!

[workbench]

We'll see, until they improve what Metacreations did in Painter 6 they are just going in a loop. They mess stuff up in previous versions then when they "fix" them it's now a feature in the next version.

The worse problem is the User Interface, any word on that? I find the current versions of Painter unusable.

[Miguimau]

Forgot to quote, btw.
With sounds great I was refering to the scalable color palette. The whole picture is not much by now :).
We´ll see , certainly.

[BaronImpossible]

Mullins also publicly stated that Adobe doesn't take everything he says into account and maybe Corel hearing this might give him a little respect and go with his advice in regards to Painter. I'm sure he'll continue to tell them make it like PS lol. So we should see some familiar tech in Painter.

Hopefully Corel will listen to all input equally. There's a lot of talk of "making Painter like PS" and it's worrying, even if it's all speculation. I've never used anything else but Painter but I would ditch it in an instant if there was even a hint of trying to make it behave like PS.

[Miguimau]

We had enough with this crappy UI. The could copy just some good features (file support, history, etc) and bring the good old Painter 6/7 interface back.

[workbench]

The number one complaint about Painter was the new interface in particulary how large the borders of the window panels are, I was very surprised to see it again in Painter 10, I can't imagine the reaction if they use the same awful decaying interface again for Painter 11.
The resizable color wheel is cool, lot's of people been asking for it. I do wonder if they'll also enable the layers panel to be resizable.

[Jinbrown]

I do wonder if they'll also enable the layers panel to be resizable.

Painter's Layers palette has been resizable since Painter 8, the size only limited by your screen size. The image below demonstrates this, though it's not likely anyone would want their Layers palette this large:

http://www.pixelalley.com/layers/P8_fully_xpnded_lyrs_palette.jpg

[Hecartha]

Perhaps workbench uses the default workspace with layers panel combined to channels panel. It changes the behavior of the two panels when you need to resize them.

[Miguimau]

The number one complaint about Painter was the new interface in particulary how large the borders of the window panels are, I was very surprised to see it again in Painter 10, I can't imagine the reaction if they use the same awful decaying interface again for Painter 11.

My number one complaint about Painter interface is the whole PS-ersatz interface . Now we don´t have an improved Painter 7 layout. We are tied to a pseudo Photoshop 7 scheme! It was a wrong decision to copycat P7´s layout.

I don´t care about the windows borders. I just get sick when I see , for example, the brush panel, ruined in Painter 8.

The resizable color wheel is cool, lot's of people been asking for it. I do wonder if they'll also enable the layers panel to be resizable. As Jinny says, I´m able to do it under both Mac and Win versions.

[Jinbrown]

Perhaps workbench uses the default workspace with layers panel combined to channels panel. It changes the behavior of the two panels when you need to resize them.

Any combination of docked palettes, when the Layers palette is one of them, will make resizing the Layers palette different from when the Layers palette is independent of other palettes, and resizing limited when two or more palettes are docked.

Notice in my screen print, only the Layers palette is displayed as that's the palette workbench was talking about... Layers palette. ;)


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[Hecartha]

I know about that Jinny :sad: I am just trying to understand why it does not work for workbench and it is the first reason I was thinking...do you think there is another reason? :shrug:

Why someone should extract the layer palette to resize it? It is just a design issue with user interface...think about a beginner using the default workspace, it doesn't make sense considering the channel and layer palette can be resized independently...

[workbench]

I'm able to expand the layers horizontally to a certain degree but not vertically at all even when the palette is undock, actually I can but only to make the layer palette even smaller. Doesn't matter too much now but it's something that really needs to be resolved in the next version.

[Jinbrown]

Workbench,

What's your Painter version number and OS version number?

Edited by Jinny on September 28, 2008 - edits in bold orange text:

I don't recall every hearing of someone who couldn't fully expand the Layers palette once they learned it has to be undocked from all other palettes. Then we need to click the lower right corner and drag down and to the right to make the Layers palette larger.

It's true, we can expand the Layers palette on a limited basis when it's docked with other palettes. Either:



Click and drag the lower right corner to make it wider, or


Hold the cursor over the line at the bottom of the inner palette just above the icons until (in Painter X and X.1) it changes to a horizontal line with double-ended vertical arrow. Then drag downward to make the Layers palette taller or up to make it less tall. In Painter IX through IX.5, I think the cursor changes to a white arrow. In Painter 8 and Painter 8.1, the cursor doesn't change and you just need to keep trying until you can "grab" that invisible line and drag up or down.



Either way, the Layers palette or Layers palette docked with other palettes need to be moved away from other palettes or docked groups to provide enough room around them for enlargement.

http://www.pixelalley.com/layers/enlarge_lyrs_palette_docked.jpg



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[workbench]

It's Painter 9.5 under WinXP SP2.


Check a recording here:
http://s64.photobucket.com/albums/h164/aquanautilus/?action=view&current=window01.flv

[Hecartha]

That's weird, your layers palette has exactly the same behavior than docked palettes as if there had an invisible palette.
See this video (http://hecartha.free.fr/Painter%20X/Painter%20IX.5%20-%20Workbench/Painter%20IX.5%20-%20Workbench.html) for the normal behavior (Painter IX.5 under Windows XP SP3)

1- I suppose you already tried to restore default workspace but did you try to restore default settings?
2- Did you try to switch to Windows classic theme?
3- What happen when you try to resize the layer palette with the last method in my video?

[Lunatique]

Awesome to know that Craig is giving them feedback. I hope they listen to him.

I'm actually one of those people that wish for a software where they tear out Painter's brush engine/brushes/brush designer/perspective tool/rotate canvas and just graft it onto Photoshop and give it a new name--I dunno, Paintershop? That would make me very happy.

[workbench]

Hecartha, I arranged the palettes into default then undocked the channels panel and now it works! Another strange bug it seems.

[Jinbrown]

Hi guys,

Please see my post #15 for edits and a demo image I added just now.

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=5405289&postcount=15

I hope the edits and demo image will explain more than I thought of earlier (or was too tired to think of earlier). Sorry about that.


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[BaronImpossible]

It's Painter 9.5 under WinXP SP2.


Check a recording here:
http://s64.photobucket.com/albums/h164/aquanautilus/?action=view&current=window01.flv

I had that too. The layers palette completely on its own refused to resize beyond a certain size. It was only - as you say - resetting the layout and then removing the layer palette that allowed it to resize fully.

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