Missile and Earth Exploding

[Cyborgguineapig]

:buttrock:

Have to see it in animation to truly crit it but it looks like a cool effect. Sometimes I wish that could happen:D I just notcied that there is no atmosphere to earth in your picture. it would be a cool effect if you could get the shin glow of the atmosphere to look disturbed or warped as the ring spreads:thumbsup: And stars?

[iNFERNiS]

damn that looks cool, i want to see an animation of it! :buttrock:

plz? :beer:

[clusterfuq]

that missile looks pretty reflective, but whats it gonna reflect in space, it'll just show black surely, with highlights from the sun. this is gonna be a sweet animation thou, earth pics look great. you have to write a tutorial of your method

[Cryptite]

Ok! Thanks for all the great feedback. I do have an animation for this shot. I made it before i did the missile and stuff and decided to send it to Eyedrops. So the beginning is just a random missile with smoke and all flying towards earth and then the 2 pictures you see are in that animation. Here is the link:
http://cryptite.f2o.org/fanfilmmovies/earthexplosion_web.avi
3.3mb | 320x240 | DivX Avi
Hope you all can get a better idea off this.
clusterfuq: Yes, the missile is pretty black once its in space. But once the fire propels the rocket to the blue Earth, the reflections kick in and look pretty good. I'll try to get some more pictures of the shot in here...

[SpooX]

:cool:
nice shots, nice annimation :cool:

about the black sphere, can't you let it explode also?

and after our lilttle blue planet (*sniff*) explodes there is something like a sphere which seems a bit strange...(see image)

and about the rocket: skip the reflective material, I think you can cut down on render time, and in the animation you don't see the rocket at all, only the flare and the smoke.

But still i must say....:applause:

(PS is there gonna be a feature film in this project? as StarWars Prequel 0.01 "the things we never knew about the universe")
would be fun I think... :D

keep up the good and fun work!

and I agree with clusterfuq a tutorial on the sfx would be great.

[3DArtZ]

Hey that looks killer!
Some critiques....
I don't think that there is any sound in space, at least not like on earth. I would change the missle sound as it goes by from Rocket noise to a hissing sound.
Next, let the missle dissappear in the atomospher for a moment or two. The slow the rate at which the explosion overtakes the normal colors of the planet..... while earth is not the biggest planet, it still is pretty big and I think that it would be consumed more slowly... the explosion at the end looks good,I would leave that the same.
Great job so far
Mike Fitz

[Cryptite]

Spoox: -First of all, the animation you are watching was create about a month and a half ago. The missile in that picture is not the new one. As for the black sphere, it was a particle system (pArray) attached to an invisible torus that moved and expanded against the surface of the Earth Sphere. I had multiple pArray systems attached to it: one for the ring of fire, another for smoke around the ring of fire, and the third creating the black particles. Therefore, because its a particle system, i cant modify them to explode like you want.

3DArtZ: I agree with pretty much everything you said. Although, we've seen lots of sci-fi movies, shows etc. (Star Wars for example) and they all seem to bypass the no sound in space law. I figured it wasnt a big deal. I'll look around on my computer though and see what sound files i've got that describe what you're talking about.

Now, To describe the rest of the shot. The scene will next move to closer shots of the Earth with the missile flying closer. Then we'll get to a sky shot of the missile flying through the sky with a flare at the beginning (to kind of show that it burned up in the atmosphere). Shots of the in-sky thing are still being worked on as there needs to be clouds. I plan on having a shot similar to the one from Pearl Harbor where the bomb that hit the Arizona gets followed by the camera from all the way up in the sky (you know what i'm talking about). Pictures coming soon.

[iNFERNiS]

damn that animation is cool :thumbsup:
nice soundfx too!

your description of the rest of the shot sounds awesome, will be waiting on that one :D

Maybe you should do that cewl cloud effect to; in a way that u see them spread in a circular way on impact, if you don't know what i mean, watch deep impact :D

keep it up :beer:

[Cryptite]

iNFERNiS: Yes, i know what you mean, i'll try and figure that out... (Happens in Pearl Harbor too, after the planes fly through the clouds, they like swirl because of the propellers...) Think a particle system would do that, just need to apply an area specific wind force...

Shot 4 - The Missile nearing Earth
What you see is it, any suggestions... animation coming soon...
http://cryptite.f2o.org/earthexplode3.jpg

[PixelThis]

Well, if the missile is powering that hard though the atmosphere you're going to have a serious plasma shockwave coming off it from the heat of reentry. Don't know that you're planning to go to that level of realism... but it's something to think about.

[iNFERNiS]

screencap is looking good :thumbsup:

[Kartoffel]

:eek: Wow, excellent explosin!
One of the best destructions of my home-planet I've ever seen. Maybe except the lat moment when these ugly dots are visible...

I also like the idea of a reflective rocket that is almost invisible in the dark space

:thumbsup:

[Cryptite]

No offense, Pixelthis, but how do you know so much about atmospheric reentry. And how do you know that stuff going that fast into the Earth would create a plasma shockwave...? Like I said, no offense...

[IDownupI]

Whoo cool !!!

Have you seen Titan A:E?

Well when the earth explode the pieces that will crush into the moon too.. That would be ultra cool

[PixelThis]

No offense taken, my background is aerospace engineering, and I've worked in the field of spacecraft and reentry vehicles for 15+ years. Large aerospace companies use CG imagery/animation quite a lot :D

You'll get a shockwave because powering straight down through the atmosphere you're going to be moving at many times the speed of sound which is going to create a shock wave... the plasma effect is going to be the super-heated air (friction from the reentry) flowing along the shock wave. I'm presuming that the missile is made of some super-material that's not going to just disintegrate when the temperature gets up over several thousand degrees. :)

[wgreenlee1]

The flame from the missle looks a little off but looking very cool overall!!!

:thumbsup:

[unclebob]

awesome video. I like the missle approach, the cooked earth then the explosion... very cool.

now you gonna build that freeway where the earth once was, right ?

that was from ???

anyone ?

The Hitchhicker's ...

anyone... anyone ??

Guide to the ....

anyone ???

Galaxy

[JuggleNuts]

My all-time favorite book!



Very nice effect though. I love it!

[Cryptite]

Ah, ... ahem... Pardon me, PixelThis... :D Its not every day that i talk to an aerospace engineer anyway... And I did see Titan AE. It was a great movie, one of my cg favorites. Thanks for the feedback, i'll try to have some more pictures and animations for you guys here (computer's running kinda slow these days and it doesnt help that this animation has about 16 particle systems... see below)
http://cryptite.f2o.org/perspective.jpg
Long Live Slarty Bartfast!

[Cryptite]

Ok, I have up another scene. I mentioned the wormhole earlier with the missile shooting out of it. Well this is my shot for that, I don't know what do think. In case you wonder as you watch, the yellow light before you get to the blue one is the sun... No doubt you have suggestions, and I await them eagerly...
http://cryptite.f2o.org/testmovies/wormhole.mov
1.46mb | 320x240
No sound this time, sorry...

[iNFERNiS]

great wormhole :thumbsup:

I think i watched it about 20 times now, trying to find some ideas for it, but I can't come up wit any, lol, it's good the way it is now imo.

Only small thing I could think of is the speed the rocket passes the camera with. I know that things have the illusion to be moving slowly in space, but maybe you can give it a better sense of speed. Maybe by moving the camera further away and let the rocket pass the camera really fast after a few seconds.

Dunno just an idea, maybe you made it like this so we can have a good look at te rocket, my idea would spoil that ofcourse :D

anyways, looking forward to your next updates :beer:

[unclebob]

I liked the start of the wormhole effect (really good btw), the spinning particles I didn't care for because that drew me away from the missle (which is the focus of the movie). Just my opinion, but in any event ... it is really good animation.

bob

thought about this for a bit ... how about an effecte like in Star Gate SG1 ... yanno where the particles kinda spit out then fall back in and disapear .. that might make a cool effect.

[Cryptite]

iNFERNiS: Well, the reason the rocket appears to be slow is because it is. The rocket is supposed to almost not moving because in the Very next shot, we see the rocket ignite as it begins its approach of Earth. I'll post that shot too here soon...

unclebob: I agree with your comment about the particles, i think i'll do something different with them. Ha ha, i'm glad theres someone else out there too that watches Stargate SG-1 I've watched every single episode now... cant wait for the next season...

[iNFERNiS]

ow didn't know that, I thought it would come out of the wormhole at superspeed :D

[SpooX]

I guess another cool effect would be a starry background and the distorting of that image by the wormhole. I think with a lot of gravity from the wormhole would cause also the light from the stars to be very much distorted (although i've never seen a live wormhole in my life...) and following that idea also the rocket would be distorted in the first entry to our galaxy (a bit rubber like, as in the distortion of the enterprise when it goes to light speed or something like that)

:applause:

[unclebob]

HI .. I'm Bob and I watch Stargate SG-1

** HI BOB **

.. actually I like it, the scripts are ok and the effect are pretty good and it is much better than those so-called reality shows. :)


anyhoo .. lastnight, while I was at work :rolleyes:, I was reading Stephen Hawking's book and thought about worm holes and then your movie popped in my head and I had an idea.

I thought a cool effect and one that might be harder to do.. is to change the camera angle so it is off to the side of your wormhole, have your worm hole effect, eject the missle .. and then have your missle do a sweeping arc from the worm hole to the Earth and SPLAT !! goodbye 3rd Rock.

You are doing great stuff here.. keep with it. I looked at some of your other movies ... very well done.

[Cryptite]

Spoox: Those are some interesting ideas there. Does anyone know how to make a clear displacement map type thingie that one would use, for example, when heat causes an image to distort. (Anyone played Zelda: The Windwaker?) If i knew how to do that i'd try that starry thing. I was trying to get that elongated missile effect you are talking about for a little while one day when i just gave up. I'll try it again though, it seems apropo for something that has just been warped across the universe...

unclebob: As for your comment, i'm not really sure what you mean... Could you kind of esplain that better?:hmm:

[unclebob]

yeah... did you ever watch Star Trek Deep Space 9 ? Yanno how the ships entered the worm hole, they kinda came across it then dove into it.

I made a very quick representation of what I'm trying to say. the blue disk is your worm hole and the green tube is the path of your missle. Hope this helps.

[SpooX]

:lightbulb

maybe this can help...
(just tryin to find out how I can upload this image.....it's a little oversized...so i cut it down, if you want the full size, i can mail it to you, it isn't that big, but perhaps this will do)

in the image the grid is the background plane

[Cryptite]

Well now that i'm back from a Texas wedding, I can get back to work on this shot. And heres the thing. I've been thinking on the shot for the time I was gone and I came up with some interesting ideas. Problem is I don't know how to do some of them.
Firstly, SpooX:, i would like it greatly if you mailed me that diagram so I can see it better. I'll try an see if i can do that effect some how.
unclebob: I think you're idea is both interesting and yet part of me says its a silly idea. But I have reached a happy medium. How about this. Missile warps out at an angle not facing the Earth, but when it activates, it makes a kind of arc towards the Earth in order to hit it.
Now for my ideas. I want the missile to have some sort of exhaust, one that distorts the image of whatever is behind the missile flame. You know what I mean. How do I do this. Clearly I need some sort of material that i can apply to a particle system that has a warped translucent image on it. Thats my best guess. Also, I want there to be a shot just outside of the Earth where as the ring of fire is beginning, the clouds around it are slowly disappearing due to the change in humidity or something. If anyone watched The Core, they would know what i meant. Any Idea how to do that either? Currently, the clouds of Earth are just a simply cloud texture map and i cant directly change that. Little help...

[SpooX]

Yesterday i bought the dvd The Animatrix, some pretty cool stuff in there i must say, especially the first animation (the last flight of the Osiris) wich is made by Square in almost the same sence as Final Fantasy. There was a shot where joane jumps :bounce: :bounce:of a building through some pipes (or something like that) and finaly hits :wip: the ground where the ground ripples due to the impact. I gues that could also be made in the way i proposed in my diagram but using a ripple distortion.

PM me for an email adres so i can mail the diagram to you.

[unclebob]

Hey Cryptite... yeah your happy medium idea sounds great.. thats kinda-sorta what I had in mind .. I didn't 'splain it too good.

I think you are on track with the exhaust heat solution and as for the clouds... I have no idea on that one. :-/

bob

[CobraX]

Hey Cryptite,

Really great work! :D

I am actually kinda in the same situation as you are, as i am have been hired recently by a company that wants me to reproduce the crash realisticly of the Asteroid-Meteroid that ended the dinosaurs.

Can you teach me how you did the Fiery effect of the planet pleeeeease :) i have been striving to get it to work that well...but i don't know how.

And how do you make the earth explode?...

Thank you, Great Work man, can't wait to see more :D I am your fan dude ;) :D

[Cryptite]

Yea, I've seen FOTO 2 times now. I love that movie. I also watched all the rest of the episodes and I loved the Second Renaissance Part 2. Yucky! :D. Anyway, yea I understand that ripple effect, however, my starfield is a big fat sphere that's lighted by a cental omni light. I can try to distort it possible, maybe by applying some kind of translucent plane of something and rippling that.. I'll work on that shot for awhile and get up some results (Yes, i've been saying that for awhile now) Thing is, I just installed Windows XP, and I need to go get my MAX 5 cd back... Had some SERIOUS problems with MAX as I had like 3 viruses... Should be all fixed now...:hmm: I've had quite a numerous amount of people asking me how to do this shot. So I suppose i'll try to get a tutorial up here pretty soon...
CobraX: How long do you have to do this shot? That way i'll have some kind of timezone to try to do this tutorial... P.S. I love your avatar :D I love the Predator!!!
Thanks for all the feedback peoples! 'Preciate it.:D

[BonoMan]

Originally posted by Cryptite
Now for my ideas. I want the missile to have some sort of exhaust, one that distorts the image of whatever is behind the missile flame. You know what I mean. How do I do this. Clearly I need some sort of material that i can apply to a particle system that has a warped translucent image on it. Thats my best guess. Also, I want there to be a shot just outside of the Earth where as the ring of fire is beginning, the clouds around it are slowly disappearing due to the change in humidity or something. If anyone watched The Core, they would know what i meant. Any Idea how to do that either? Currently, the clouds of Earth are just a simply cloud texture map and i cant directly change that. Little help...

As for the heat ripple effect. I did this exact thing not to long ago.
Basically I used a particle system to output the 'exhaust.' Then I took that exhaust into after effects and layered it over the background plate then used the displace layer effect so that it used the particles as a basis for displacing the background image (and then turned visability of the particles off so all you see is the displaced image and not the actual particles).

HERE (http://www.dvgarage.com/garage/a2d/tut/tutpast/tutpast_view/tutpast_view.php?tutdate=01_09_15&renders=5&projectfiles=no) is a good tutorial on how to do this.

[Sceme]

about the explosion....there's no much hmm...how could i say it in english..."dynamics" or great blast or something....i hope u understand what i mean. For now, it just explodes...without any great pressure at the beginning of the explosion...or something....
aah..me and my great english skills...:rolleyes:

[CobraX]

Hey Cryptite,

Thank you for replying :D. Glad you like the Pred too, he is such a Great and Cool character...will there be a Predator 3? ALien 5? orrrrr.......ALiens vs. Predator? hehe :D:D:D
(BTW, you need those figurines from Todd McFArlane..the ALien Predator Boxset and the latest Predators and aliens!!!...http://www.spawn.com/toys/series.aspx?division=toys&category=movies&series=mm6)

Ok, now... :) For the shot. I need to have everything done by the 27th ....of June. Not IMAX res but Video res, cuz this is going to go to IMAX. So basically i have 8 days left :surprised .

I appreciate your concern in doing a tutorial for everyone :D really this is truely great sharing your knowledge! :) For that, i would like to say thak you Cryptite. ( how cheesy did this sound? :P)

Can't wait to see your tut and your progress on this project bro'!

Take care!

[Vash T Stampede]

That pred does look cool!

ahem..

The animation's cool! Very Titan AE esque!

[Cryptite]

CobraX: Its going to IMAX!!!???!!??!!! Wowzers, thats so cool, maybe i'll get to watch it here in Memphis! Ok, with this newfound knowledge, i'll get to work on the tut right away...
Sceme: I do understand what you're saying... I'll think about that...

[BonoMan]

Originally posted by Cryptite
CobraX: Its going to IMAX!!!???!!??!!! Wowzers, thats so cool, maybe i'll get to watch it here in Memphis! Ok, with this newfound knowledge, i'll get to work on the tut right away...
Sceme: I do understand what you're saying... I'll think about that...

Southeastern animators represent! ha..
i'll be in memphis tomorrow! [/hijack]

ps why is this going to be IMAX?

[skywisenight]

Thoughts on planet blowup.

a. If a planet is a sphere shape why would it emitt a 2D shockwave? The shockwave should exsist in 3 Dimensions... Rent Startrek: Generations. They blow up some suns. You'll see what I mean... (spherical shockwaves)

b. Did you use a ringwave with lensflares on it. You can do better than that. Noob's use ringwaves and putting lensflares on it are like the icing on the cake. I think you need to raise your bar.

c. The rocket should probably not be visible for a longer period of time as it approches earth. 1. for dramatic pause. 2. for the pure fact that a missle/rocket is relativly small compaired to a planet. You should not see it for a number of seconds.


Keep at it.

[CobraX]

Cryptite WOW Thanks :) i can't wait to check your tutorial man Thanks lots dude :)

[iNFERNiS]

Originally posted by CobraX
Glad you like the Pred too, he is such a Great and Cool character...will there be a Predator 3? ALien 5? orrrrr.......ALiens vs. Predator? hehe :D:D:D


Yes! :p

There will be an alien 5, allthough it won't be for the near future, but there are defenitly plans being made for a 5th movie.
Alien Vs. Predator is being made to, this one will be released before alien 5. Can't wait, alien series are my all time fav movies :buttrock:

Cryptite, I hope to see a fresh animation soon and your tutorial :thumbsup:

[CobraX]

:xtreme: :xtreme: :xtreme: :xtreme:

[Cryptite]

Here's the update, which is saddening. Sadly, I haven't started the tutorial or worked on the animation AT ALL yet and here is why. MAX was running about 75% slower and crashing about 75% more because of the status of bad my computer was in. Viruses etc. were causing that. I ran a virus check, cleared the 4 I had and finally got to upgrade Windows 98 to Windows XP. To do this safely and succesfully, I had to format C: to do it and start from scratch. Well here I am, working great. Problem is this, because I formatted C: MAX no longer runs (apparently because it had some important files or something) So thats that. The CD for MAX is in the possesion of my friend. I have attempted to regain the cd thrice from his house and failed each time. The first time, his sister answered the door and thought I was a salesman. (Shes about 11 and apparently when I ask for Brent (friend's name) i am selling something...???) The other 2 times, noone answered and thus far I have been unable to contact him. I am afraid he has gone out of town. This is my predicament... If all else comes to fail, CobraX, I will send you the scenefile I have for that shot. I use MAX 5 so I don't know if that will be compatible with yours... Hope for the best...

[CobraX]

Hey Cryptite Man,

no pressure dude relax itès allright!!! After all i have and am learning by self too :D

Really i want to thank you a lot for the great idea of doing a tut, sometimes things wonèt make it happen! :p but hey, the heart is there

Your project is reaaally cool man! keep up the ggod work! :)

can't wait to see it finished, now go get that MAX 5 !!!

[Cryptite]

But don't you still need that shot done by Friday?

[CobraX]

The news are that the animatic needs to be done by thursday... :)

It's allright Cryptite :)...

[SpooX]

Hello CobraX,

I've been looking around and found some things that might be usefull...

http://www.3dm-mc.com/tutorials/blast/
http://www.maxhelp.com/content/tutorials/parray/parray.htm

http://gdstudios.hypermart.net/art/tutorials/tutshockwave.htm
http://www.3dm-mc.com/tutorials/explore2/
http://www.megaone.com/ribok/shockwave.html
http://www.3dluvr.com/content/article/68
http://www.3dm-mc.com/tutorials/fireball/
http://www.spoono.com/tutorials/3dstudiomax/parray/
http://www.3dm-mc.com/tutorials/ps/
http://www.3dm-mc.com/tutorials/explore/

and about the ring of fire...it reminds me of a tutorial in a 3dMax book where a metal ball was eaten away by some sparkling fire just by using animated procedural mappings (as a mask) wich made a pretty cool effect. I think this can be created also for a planet....

I'd try to use a blend material and using for a mask an animated gradient...a more complicated way would be animating boleans.

[Cryptite]

Yes, SpooX, I remember that material tutorial. Problem is, I found one for a program I used to have called Animation: Master... Doh! If you could find that online maybe, i'd be most grateful!:rolleyes:

[BonoMan]

A way to do it in post:

http://www.dvgarage.com/garage/a2d/tut/tutpast/tutpast_view/tutpast_view.php?tutdate=02_05_08&renders=3&projectfiles=no

check out that link

[Cryptite]

Good news! I have finally been returned my MAX cd, I installed it about an hour ago and tomorrow I will hopefully begin work on the tutorial! :cool: .. any updates on your situation CobraX?

[Cryptite]

Its Begun! The moment you've all been waiting for! The Tutorial for the Earth Explosion has been started.. Its not finished now but it will be soon. To see what of it I have done, visit the mighty link!:scream: :buttrock:
http://cryptite.f2o.org/earthexplosiontutorial.html

[CobraX]

Hey Criptite,

Here is what the people at work want me to do

http://cobraxvfx.tripod.com/Shockwave.avi

i have to do it on Maya though not on Max as i am a Maya user...

:) Your Tutorial loooks reaally good Cryptite man :) Thanks for the Tips! :D

Xav

[Cryptite]

That link didn't work for me... :hmm:

[Hellwolve]

Originally posted by Cryptite
That link didn't work for me... :hmm:

At first, it didn't work for me either. Just copy & paste in the address bar :)

[Cryptite]

Ah.. got it.. Thanks man :thumbsup:
That shot looks pretty good, is it from a movie? Because i'll never be able to do that unless I get the full version of Afterburn... :rolleyes:

[Levitateme]

wow thats great.

[Cryptite]

Well guys.. its been many months since I've worked on this shot. And to tell the truth, I just kinda stopped working on it. However, I've decided to wrap up the shot here now that I have some more tools to work with in Max. So expect some updates on the shot (which I may redo completely). Wish me luck!

[Hellwolve]

Sure: good luck!

[PixelThis]

Good Luck and Godspeed!

[Cryptite]

Alrighty then; my first update. Since my last method of doing this shot involved an incredible amount of particle systems, I decided I'd try to be more conservative this time around and rely a bit more on materials. This is the first test. So I figured out how to create a material to simulate flame and destruction sweeping across the planet after the impact of tha phat missile. Here is a screenshot. I'll have a movie up soon.
http://cryptite.f2o.org/fanfilmimages/CGTalk/ee_firespread.jpg

[Gremlin]

the new material particle replacement looks good for post-missle damage, but that bright yellow firey ring that expanded across the earth was quality; bring it back! if your gonna cut down on particle systems, thats surely not one of the ones that should be cut!!

[Cryptite]

Oh no, theres still going to be lots of those particles! Those rock, i agree :D! I just want to use alot less so I can work faster and render faster and, hopefully, achieve a better and faster effect.

[unclebob]

I like the texture, I can really see the atmosphere being burned up.

[Tekspdy]

just curious, any more progress?

[Cryptite]

Well, i'm sort of in a quandry right now... I have this animation of the aforepictured earth with the fire-like thing spreading across. But I don't know how to make particle systems spread across the Earth that match the spread pattern and shape that the material performs... any ideas anyone?

[Hellwolve]

Just tweak until you've got it right?

[Snitch]

Get max 6, the particle flow is event based, tons more controll, should almost make you want to just restart its so much eiser

[Cryptite]

I have max 6, and had begun to use pflow on this shot. I think i'll be able to figure out what I want here soon... Pflow is gods blessing to the particle lovers here!

Currently, what I have so far is:
1.) Beginning with the intial impact, a ring of destortion flies around the planet and blurs everything in its path.
2.) I set up a displacement map on the sphere so that where the fiery stuff you see so far sort of collapses the planet a bit. Where the first hole occurs (ground zero) a ball of fire shoots out because of the sudden change in the shape of the planet.

Coming soon: I think i'll be able to figure out how to make the fire ring adhere to the edges of the burnmap I have on the planet right now. If you guys have any ideas on how to do that now with pflow, i'd be glad to hear it.
Edit: I figured it out... Pictures coming soon.

[Cryptite]

Ok, I haven't really figured out how to use particles to sweep the edges of the fire, but I did manage a way to do it still with materials and a bit of Video Post. So, heres the latest picture update of the scene:
http://cryptite.f2o.org/fanfilmimages/CGTalk/ee_firespread2.jpg

[mstl]

nice work man....
super particles

keep working man

super

[Illusion569]

very nice work criptite, i'd love to be able to pull a project off such as you did, very nice!

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