wgreenlee1
06-05-2003, 06:55 PM
Just wondering......
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yog
06-05-2003, 07:08 PM
As soon as my UK distributor gets pricing confirmation I'm there :thumbsup:
RobertoOrtiz
06-05-2003, 07:33 PM
The special offer sold me.
Rei Ayanami
06-05-2003, 07:40 PM
poortron bwah ha ha...:cry: gota get enough cash first.
gruvsyco
06-05-2003, 07:46 PM
I'm really hoping I can regain employment by the end of the month and I'll jump on the bandwagon. I'd love to get a piece of that DFX+ pie.
milqman
06-05-2003, 07:52 PM
what does DFX do?
terryford
06-05-2003, 07:53 PM
Personally, got no use (currently) for DFX+, so definitely waiting to see. I want to stick with LightWave, but many of the features on my personal "feature request" list would require a serious re-write and I haven't seen (so far) that that's the case...
I really hope that 8.0 isn't just a buffed up 7.5 with added Dstorm freebies and G2 Lite. Wait and see, hope for the best...
Regards,
Terry
I really hope that 8.0 isn't just a buffed up 7.5 with added Dstorm freebies and G2 Lite. Wait and see, hope for the best...
Regards,
Terry
aurora
06-05-2003, 07:59 PM
Buh, ha, ha ,ha. I ordered an additional LW7.5 seat last month so I get the free LW8 update! :applause: I just wish I knew about the DFX deal first:cry:
policarpo
06-05-2003, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by aurora
Buh, ha, ha ,ha. I ordered an additional LW7.5 seat last month so I get the free LW8 update! :applause: I just wish I knew about the DFX deal first:cry:
me too.
hey what's the return policy. :drool:
Buh, ha, ha ,ha. I ordered an additional LW7.5 seat last month so I get the free LW8 update! :applause: I just wish I knew about the DFX deal first:cry:
me too.
hey what's the return policy. :drool:
Nicodemus
06-05-2003, 08:29 PM
Just got my boss to approve purchase about of 2 seats......loving it.
~L~
~L~
Petrik
06-05-2003, 09:15 PM
If I win the lotto... only problem there is I don't buy tickets.
Labuzz
06-05-2003, 09:20 PM
Wait and See:hmm: We never know what we will see...:surprised
Cman
06-05-2003, 09:40 PM
I was gonna wait to Siggraph and see what they say - but the DF deal - and Motionbuilder - I don' t know what I'm gonna do! :cry:
Aquaman
06-05-2003, 09:57 PM
If i can get the money together before the end of the month I definitely plan to preorder the update to 8.
samartin
06-05-2003, 10:03 PM
If LW8 acts in the ways of motionbuilder then a definite buy if not then motionbuilder and stick with 7.5. I just wish there was some glimpse of 8, cos' the offer for Kaydara will soon be closing, aahhh what to do ?!?!?!
Triple G
06-05-2003, 10:31 PM
I don't know...it's a tough call. I really have a big problem with ordering software (or anything else, for that matter) sight-unseen. $500 is a lot of money for something that I essentially know nothing about, other than it's going to have some character animation improvements and workflow enhancements.
And sure...the DFX+ deal is great...but I'm a Mac guy. So chances are, I'd have to try and sell it, and who knows how much I'd be able to get for it, once all the other Mac users (and probably some PC users too) start selling their copies on eBay. I mean, there's only so many people out there who have a need for a compositing program...
But anyway, the way things are going employment-wise for me right now, I'd have to say that I'm going to have to pass on the deal unless I get some work before the end of the month. Too many other things to deal with right now that require my financial attention...:annoyed:
And sure...the DFX+ deal is great...but I'm a Mac guy. So chances are, I'd have to try and sell it, and who knows how much I'd be able to get for it, once all the other Mac users (and probably some PC users too) start selling their copies on eBay. I mean, there's only so many people out there who have a need for a compositing program...
But anyway, the way things are going employment-wise for me right now, I'd have to say that I'm going to have to pass on the deal unless I get some work before the end of the month. Too many other things to deal with right now that require my financial attention...:annoyed:
Jonathan
06-05-2003, 10:44 PM
Not touching it until the dust settles a year later and then MAYBE, if I have not moved on to something else, I'll look that way. 7.5b and 7.5c has gotten me quite cautious.
PHILL_JAMES2000
06-05-2003, 10:50 PM
def gonna wait til i see it, need to do that to get the green light from work to purchase... am i being dumb or has there been some features list put up somewhere that i've missed? :shrug:
RuiFeliciano
06-06-2003, 12:11 AM
I'm definitely waitting. Let me see the goods first THEN you can see my money.
Fasty
06-06-2003, 01:02 AM
I wouldn't by anything without at least trying it first!
Annoyance
06-06-2003, 01:10 AM
if wishes where horse, i would have my own dog food company, and thus able to afford it.
Psyhke
06-06-2003, 04:41 AM
I voted yea. Even if the LW upgrade is a yawner I know I'd end up getting it anyways. Plus I'm getting a $1,800 compositing program that I would actually like to have. Great, great deal (for me). :eek:
Shade01
06-06-2003, 05:06 AM
I think I'm going to wait. I've been a Lightwave loyalist for a long time but it's time for Lightwave to catch up and patch some longtime weak areas. If 8's features and fixes don't go in a direction I like, It's highly likely my usage of Lightwave will greatly drop. Gotta wait and see though.
dickma
06-06-2003, 05:43 AM
Why your guys order LW 8 without any review or discovery, exploration?
No Feature List, No Screen Preview of LW8 from Lightwave until now.
I am afraid of buying a dumb thing.....or getting disappointed...
No Feature List, No Screen Preview of LW8 from Lightwave until now.
I am afraid of buying a dumb thing.....or getting disappointed...
RobertoOrtiz
06-06-2003, 05:48 AM
I am a LW loyalist since version 5.0.
I have trusted them so far, and they have delivered.
Besides my pipeline is LW at its core.
I loved version 7.5 and I still find usefull items within it.
I have played with Maya and Soft and I am not convinced that they are the "magic bullet" applications.
-R
I have trusted them so far, and they have delivered.
Besides my pipeline is LW at its core.
I loved version 7.5 and I still find usefull items within it.
I have played with Maya and Soft and I am not convinced that they are the "magic bullet" applications.
-R
Arte
06-06-2003, 10:11 AM
Without LW I'd still be engineering and Doc says no engineering for X. So yeah gonna get it as soon as it's available.
On the Fusion front it's a bit of a kick in the face as Newtek sold me DF4 three months ago... Also some of what I consider essential Fusioneering is not in the package. The 16 bit thing is not really an issue as most people won't need it anyway.
GAIA the LW/Fusion 3d link is what should be bundled with the deal but then Mario Kaufman does not have a deal with Eyeon or Newtek afaik.
X
On the Fusion front it's a bit of a kick in the face as Newtek sold me DF4 three months ago... Also some of what I consider essential Fusioneering is not in the package. The 16 bit thing is not really an issue as most people won't need it anyway.
GAIA the LW/Fusion 3d link is what should be bundled with the deal but then Mario Kaufman does not have a deal with Eyeon or Newtek afaik.
X
Nemoid
06-06-2003, 01:39 PM
I'll surely wait the Siggraph event to know more about [8], just can't wait for it, but I want to read some feature list, and opinion. also hope to know something about the damn Lux/Nt / Lightwave/Mecca affair.
for now i'm working on 7.5 and i feel confortable with it, so no problem and no hurry!!!:thumbsup:
for now i'm working on 7.5 and i feel confortable with it, so no problem and no hurry!!!:thumbsup:
Zithen
06-06-2003, 02:31 PM
I'm not sure what I'll do just yet. Hoping for some more LW8 news.
I didn't upgrade from 6.5 to 7.0 until 7.5 came out. 7.0 just wasn't much of an eventful upgrade enough for me to buy it. But when Motion Mixer came out, I moved to 7.5
There's much uncertainty at the moment. Still no answer on the Luxology issue, except that it has been resolved. That's just not enough for me to feel settled or secure on LW's future. And the LW8 announcement was unclear as to the degree of "enhancements" that will be added to LW8. Are they significant enhancements like the 6.0 upgrade was, or just improvements that are more simple additions, like 7.0? I hope it will be significant and/or major.
If anyone out there that knows could possibly post a smiley face hint suggesting LW8 will be a relatively significant upgrade compared to previous upgrades and thus something to get excited about, then I might get it now with the deal.
Otherwise, if there's no other hints or news till siggraph, then I may have to just wait and see.
I didn't upgrade from 6.5 to 7.0 until 7.5 came out. 7.0 just wasn't much of an eventful upgrade enough for me to buy it. But when Motion Mixer came out, I moved to 7.5
There's much uncertainty at the moment. Still no answer on the Luxology issue, except that it has been resolved. That's just not enough for me to feel settled or secure on LW's future. And the LW8 announcement was unclear as to the degree of "enhancements" that will be added to LW8. Are they significant enhancements like the 6.0 upgrade was, or just improvements that are more simple additions, like 7.0? I hope it will be significant and/or major.
If anyone out there that knows could possibly post a smiley face hint suggesting LW8 will be a relatively significant upgrade compared to previous upgrades and thus something to get excited about, then I might get it now with the deal.
Otherwise, if there's no other hints or news till siggraph, then I may have to just wait and see.
swampthing
06-06-2003, 02:47 PM
Have they even released what's going to be in it?
Why would anyone piss away that much money without knowing what you were even getting? That'd be pretty irresponsible.
Why would anyone piss away that much money without knowing what you were even getting? That'd be pretty irresponsible.
PHILL_JAMES2000
06-06-2003, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by swampthing
Have they even released what's going to be in it?
Why would anyone piss away that much money without knowing what you were even getting? That'd be pretty irresponsible.
agreed!
Have they even released what's going to be in it?
Why would anyone piss away that much money without knowing what you were even getting? That'd be pretty irresponsible.
agreed!
fourd
06-06-2003, 03:01 PM
Yeah I don't see how anyone can smile while putting down $500.00 on a product they haven't heard anything about yet. Yeah it's lightwave, but is it going to be worth upgrading yet? What if it doesn't have what you were hoping for. I used to be all over the latest and greatest, but I'll stick with 7.5 for a while and finish learning everything about it..Unless they release some info on LW8 that says I just got to have it.
Until then...:thumbsdow
Until then...:thumbsdow
robinson
06-06-2003, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by swampthing
Have they even released what's going to be in it?
Why would anyone piss away that much money without knowing what you were even getting? That'd be pretty irresponsible.
I need a good compositing tool anyway, so I will properly get the Newtek deal, I’m still working with discreet paint at home and that really sucks. :thumbsdow
If you don’t have or use a compositing tool, get this great deal and get used to it in your daily workflow, otherwise I wouldn’t buy the update right now, I would wait what’s in Lightwave 8 before spending so much money… :wip:
Have they even released what's going to be in it?
Why would anyone piss away that much money without knowing what you were even getting? That'd be pretty irresponsible.
I need a good compositing tool anyway, so I will properly get the Newtek deal, I’m still working with discreet paint at home and that really sucks. :thumbsdow
If you don’t have or use a compositing tool, get this great deal and get used to it in your daily workflow, otherwise I wouldn’t buy the update right now, I would wait what’s in Lightwave 8 before spending so much money… :wip:
Jonathan
06-06-2003, 04:05 PM
I'm curious however. Why would you need DFX if you already have Aura2.5b? It seems kinda unless I'm missing something that DFX has and Aura doesn't outside of user preference.
Remi
06-06-2003, 04:13 PM
I think LW artist have been loyal and trusting thus far...and they've worked through the trials and mishaps and lightwave has delivered....and until everything runs smoothly I will have to wait...I can't afford spending time trying to get it to work with all the work I have to do. But I will stick with lightwave....the program works with me just as much as I work with it...very just going to wait until the all clear is given.
I used to be all over the latest and greatest, but I'll stick with 7.5 for a while and finish learning everything about it
Good Luck:surprised
I used to be all over the latest and greatest, but I'll stick with 7.5 for a while and finish learning everything about it
Good Luck:surprised
AndréNozawa
06-06-2003, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by Dick Ma
Why your guys order LW 8 without any review or discovery, exploration?
No Feature List, No Screen Preview of LW8 from Lightwave until now.
I am afraid of buying a dumb thing.....or getting disappointed...
I am waiting for the Discovery .But all those buggy patches...
humm... :shrug:
Why your guys order LW 8 without any review or discovery, exploration?
No Feature List, No Screen Preview of LW8 from Lightwave until now.
I am afraid of buying a dumb thing.....or getting disappointed...
I am waiting for the Discovery .But all those buggy patches...
humm... :shrug:
Thalaxis
06-06-2003, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by RobertoOrtiz
The special offer sold me.
Same here. It means that I'll give our friend Dan the local NewTek reseller some business sooner than I had planned :)
The special offer sold me.
Same here. It means that I'll give our friend Dan the local NewTek reseller some business sooner than I had planned :)
DaveW
06-06-2003, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by Jonathan
I'm curious however. Why would you need DFX if you already have Aura2.5b? It seems kinda unless I'm missing something that DFX has and Aura doesn't outside of user preference.
I haven't used Aura and I don't usually do compositing so I can't speak from experience, but I've heard from a lot of people who do serious composting work that Aura just doesn't cut it.
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67074&perpage=15&pagenumber=5 read Rui and 3dDave's posts.
I'm curious however. Why would you need DFX if you already have Aura2.5b? It seems kinda unless I'm missing something that DFX has and Aura doesn't outside of user preference.
I haven't used Aura and I don't usually do compositing so I can't speak from experience, but I've heard from a lot of people who do serious composting work that Aura just doesn't cut it.
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67074&perpage=15&pagenumber=5 read Rui and 3dDave's posts.
Remi
06-06-2003, 09:17 PM
Aura doesn't cut it....I guess i've heard differently...I too don't do compositing work...but aura is useful in other areas too...it's an all around good program if you ask me:)
RobertoOrtiz
06-06-2003, 09:20 PM
Aura is awesome for traditional character animation and Roto work.
But trying to do basic composite work is a nightmare on it.
With is too bad because it has a great pixel tracking capabilities.
-Roberto
But trying to do basic composite work is a nightmare on it.
With is too bad because it has a great pixel tracking capabilities.
-Roberto
lwbob
06-06-2003, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by Jonathan
I'm curious however. Why would you need DFX if you already have Aura2.5b?
You would need to be able to actually purchase Aura. :)
I'm curious however. Why would you need DFX if you already have Aura2.5b?
You would need to be able to actually purchase Aura. :)
Rumors
06-06-2003, 10:42 PM
No more buying software sight unseen for me. Shave & a Haircut, Messiah, all burned me bad and made me jaded.
Also the past 7.5 updates have shaken my faith in how soild Newtek can make the program.
Will be waiting!
Also the past 7.5 updates have shaken my faith in how soild Newtek can make the program.
Will be waiting!
robin
06-07-2003, 05:09 AM
I will get Lightwave 8 only if they rethink their curve tools and some other glitches related to the software
When i first got Lw 7 it collected dust for about a year before i finally got into it
When i first got Lw 7 it collected dust for about a year before i finally got into it
gruvsyco
06-07-2003, 05:17 AM
I was one of those that said I would jump on it (if I had a job) but, seriously the more time I have to think about it, I would at least like to see a feature list.
Triple G
06-07-2003, 05:28 AM
Call me a pessimist, but including an $1800 compositing package free with your upgrade, and not telling people exactly what they'll be getting, makes me wonder if Newtek is trying to distract us from the fact that LW8 is going to be a disappointment...
Don't get me wrong...DFX+ looks like a sweet package, but I sure hope I'm wrong about 8 and hope it'll blow my socks off...:curious:
Don't get me wrong...DFX+ looks like a sweet package, but I sure hope I'm wrong about 8 and hope it'll blow my socks off...:curious:
Zithen
06-07-2003, 06:34 AM
I hate to say it, but I too am a little uncertain as to the magnitude of the LW8 upgrade. Selling anything in advance without giving a clearer idea of what is being sold (feature list) isn't giving me much comfort.
For as I read the announcement of the LW8 preview, I think I'm trying to read too much into it. Will it have a new and better API, better interoperability between Layout and Modeler (integration maybe), etc? Because workflow and UI improvements could mean a new architecture or just simply "improvements."
I mean, there isn't even a bit of buzz on this upgrade. It is silent as space on LW8. Too silent. If it was all that and a bag of chips, I would think there would be some hint that it was something big. It wasn't like that with LW6. Or even LW7.5. It's making me think that there's no buzz because there's nothing to really buzz about.
So...I may instead save my money and wait to see what Newtek offers. But I am also wondering what Luxology has to offer, no matter the mishaps. Mark Brown who made MotionMixer said LW8 was going to be killer. But that was before the whole Lux/Newtek problem came about. The folks at Luxology seem to be so excited about whatever they're doing, they can't shut up unless ordered by the court. Newtek's not saying a thing. Not even how excited they are over it. And then Newtek posts jobs for programmers only a few months ago.
So I just don't know.
No buzz ain't good. It's easy to shut up about nothing. Hard to keep silent when you're excited. But I really hope I'm wrong about all this.
Man, there's no one in the know who could at least give a hint as to how big or small this upgrade will be? That's a shame.
For as I read the announcement of the LW8 preview, I think I'm trying to read too much into it. Will it have a new and better API, better interoperability between Layout and Modeler (integration maybe), etc? Because workflow and UI improvements could mean a new architecture or just simply "improvements."
I mean, there isn't even a bit of buzz on this upgrade. It is silent as space on LW8. Too silent. If it was all that and a bag of chips, I would think there would be some hint that it was something big. It wasn't like that with LW6. Or even LW7.5. It's making me think that there's no buzz because there's nothing to really buzz about.
So...I may instead save my money and wait to see what Newtek offers. But I am also wondering what Luxology has to offer, no matter the mishaps. Mark Brown who made MotionMixer said LW8 was going to be killer. But that was before the whole Lux/Newtek problem came about. The folks at Luxology seem to be so excited about whatever they're doing, they can't shut up unless ordered by the court. Newtek's not saying a thing. Not even how excited they are over it. And then Newtek posts jobs for programmers only a few months ago.
So I just don't know.
No buzz ain't good. It's easy to shut up about nothing. Hard to keep silent when you're excited. But I really hope I'm wrong about all this.
Man, there's no one in the know who could at least give a hint as to how big or small this upgrade will be? That's a shame.
Angelus26
06-07-2003, 08:12 AM
Let's face it, with the current nature and competivness of the market, any new version is going to have to be good. In all honesty you do get the feeling they need to start Lightwave 8 with a clean sheet of paper (I mean how much adding-on can you do before you just need a new house?), but that doesn't seem likely to happen I think, and having some experience of working for companies where the original programmers upped and left I can say it was never a good thing, so I am cautious, but time will tell I guess.
Personally I really think they need better intergration between modeler and layout, it's real sore point (at least with me).
I remember when Lightwave was the 'in' package, back when Max was running around like headless chicken and truespace and cinema were little-known crappy apps. But those days are gone, and with Maya dropping down to hunt the same ground I think LW needs to pull out all stops on 8.
Personally I really think they need better intergration between modeler and layout, it's real sore point (at least with me).
I remember when Lightwave was the 'in' package, back when Max was running around like headless chicken and truespace and cinema were little-known crappy apps. But those days are gone, and with Maya dropping down to hunt the same ground I think LW needs to pull out all stops on 8.
peanut
06-07-2003, 09:18 AM
I remember when Lightwave was the 'in' package, back when Max was running around like headless chicken and truespace and cinema were little-known crappy apps.
Hahahahahaha !!! now thats hilarious
Hahahahahaha !!! now thats hilarious
CIM
06-07-2003, 11:15 AM
Newtek is doing this deal to get all the suckers. :applause: You know that LW 8 is probably going to be a huge disappointment and/or not be delivered for another year.
Zithen
06-07-2003, 11:43 AM
On the flip side, so far the upgrades that Newtek has previewed and then shipped months later are usually worthwhile updates. 7.0 was previewed and available in the same day, but I didn't upgrade until 7.5. I thought 7.0 was the weakest of all the upgrades, even though it did add NLA.
I'm really hoping LW8 is a major improvement to workflow, UI, character animation tools and API as in rewrite. Not just plain additions.
Fingers crossed.
I'm really hoping LW8 is a major improvement to workflow, UI, character animation tools and API as in rewrite. Not just plain additions.
Fingers crossed.
private
06-07-2003, 12:44 PM
What's the chances there will be a 7.5d? :eek:
Chuck Baker
06-07-2003, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by Zithen
I hate to say it, but I too am a little uncertain as to the magnitude of the LW8 upgrade. Selling anything in advance without giving a clearer idea of what is being sold (feature list) isn't giving me much comfort.
You have the intent backwards. We were able to work with eyeon to make a fantastic bundle offer available for people purchasing a new seat of LightWave or a an upgrade to [7.5]. Okay, but what to do for folks that already have [7.5]? We could just make them a great deal on the DFX+ bundle, of course. But that doesn't give them anything from us, so it really isn't a value-added on a NewTek product. We don't normally offer pre-purchase on upgrades, though pretty much all of our competitors do, via "maintenance and support plans". But in this case, a LightWave [8] upgrade with DFX+ bundle was something we could offer and consider a value add package, and give us a way to offer this fantastic DFX+ deal to registered owners of [7.5]. The point is not to sell the next upgrade sight unseen - the point is to offer an incredible deal to as many NewTek customers as possible, making sure that in as many cases as possible, they are going to get something from NewTek as well, and that something will be worth every penny that they are paying, just on its own.
I hate to say it, but I too am a little uncertain as to the magnitude of the LW8 upgrade. Selling anything in advance without giving a clearer idea of what is being sold (feature list) isn't giving me much comfort.
You have the intent backwards. We were able to work with eyeon to make a fantastic bundle offer available for people purchasing a new seat of LightWave or a an upgrade to [7.5]. Okay, but what to do for folks that already have [7.5]? We could just make them a great deal on the DFX+ bundle, of course. But that doesn't give them anything from us, so it really isn't a value-added on a NewTek product. We don't normally offer pre-purchase on upgrades, though pretty much all of our competitors do, via "maintenance and support plans". But in this case, a LightWave [8] upgrade with DFX+ bundle was something we could offer and consider a value add package, and give us a way to offer this fantastic DFX+ deal to registered owners of [7.5]. The point is not to sell the next upgrade sight unseen - the point is to offer an incredible deal to as many NewTek customers as possible, making sure that in as many cases as possible, they are going to get something from NewTek as well, and that something will be worth every penny that they are paying, just on its own.
Chuck Baker
06-07-2003, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by CIM
Newtek is doing this deal to get all the suckers.
Really, no. We don't normally pre-sell forthcoming upgrades, but in this case it was necessary to provide a NewTek value-add to put the eyeon bundle with. For the regular upgrade cost of $495US, registered [7.5] owners will get $1785 of eyeon's professional compositing software plus the upgrade to [8]. $2280US in software for $496US is not a "sucker deal" by any rational measure.
You know that LW 8 is probably going to be a huge disappointment and/or not be delivered for another year.
We expect to deliver in the fourth quarter as we've stated, and we expect to provide a product that people will find more than worth the upgrade price.
Newtek is doing this deal to get all the suckers.
Really, no. We don't normally pre-sell forthcoming upgrades, but in this case it was necessary to provide a NewTek value-add to put the eyeon bundle with. For the regular upgrade cost of $495US, registered [7.5] owners will get $1785 of eyeon's professional compositing software plus the upgrade to [8]. $2280US in software for $496US is not a "sucker deal" by any rational measure.
You know that LW 8 is probably going to be a huge disappointment and/or not be delivered for another year.
We expect to deliver in the fourth quarter as we've stated, and we expect to provide a product that people will find more than worth the upgrade price.
Chewey
06-07-2003, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by CIM
Newtek is doing this deal to get all the suckers. :applause: You know that LW 8 is probably going to be a huge disappointment and/or not be delivered for another year.
"Suckers" may be a little harsh and cynical but you really can't go wrong betting that there will always be someone complaining when anything gets released.
One thing you can bet on though, if LW8 comes out a winner then CIM will claim that it was due to his huffing and puffing.
And on the flip side, if LW8 has problems then CIM will claim, "see I told you so."
Heads I win, tails you lose...
:scream:
Newtek is doing this deal to get all the suckers. :applause: You know that LW 8 is probably going to be a huge disappointment and/or not be delivered for another year.
"Suckers" may be a little harsh and cynical but you really can't go wrong betting that there will always be someone complaining when anything gets released.
One thing you can bet on though, if LW8 comes out a winner then CIM will claim that it was due to his huffing and puffing.
And on the flip side, if LW8 has problems then CIM will claim, "see I told you so."
Heads I win, tails you lose...
:scream:
fletchman
06-07-2003, 04:57 PM
Since Chuck seems to be replying to this post, I would like to ask him this question. Can we get the same deal through our local distributers (in asia) or must we get it from Newtek direct? As a registered user of LW 7.5 I think this is a REALLY GREAT deal and I wouldn't want to miss out on it. Thanks NEwtek for this effort and I look forward to get my hands on LW8. :applause:
Chuck Baker
06-07-2003, 05:12 PM
Most of our international distributors have responded with enthusiasm for the the DFX+ special offer, and are making arrangements to participate. The effective dates of the offer and the pricing may vary, but should be similar. I do not know the status of our Asian distributors, but you should contact your local reseller to inquire and, if needed, encourage their participation.
CIM
06-07-2003, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by Chuck Baker
Really, no. We don't normally pre-sell forthcoming upgrades, but in this case it was necessary to provide a NewTek value-add to put the eyeon bundle with. For the regular upgrade cost of $495US, registered [7.5] owners will get $1785 of eyeon's professional compositing software plus the upgrade to [8]. $2280US in software for $496US is not a "sucker deal" by any rational measure.
Well, maybe not totally a sucker, but really the deal is specifically targeted at the LW loyalists--the ppl. that will remain faithfull to LW hell or high water--the ppl. that believe Newtek is god.
We expect to deliver in the fourth quarter as we've stated, and we expect to provide a product that people will find more than worth the upgrade price.
Well, maybe not total suckers, but really the deal is specifically targeted at the LW loyalists--the ppl. that will remain faithfull to LW hell or high water--the ppl. that believe Newtek is god.
Anyway, this is simple advertising--everyone does it. It's the "buy now or you won't get the free knife set" or the "one week only; 50% off".
This deal screws those ppl. who actually value their money. When Siggraph rolls around, you know this deal will be long gone and the ppl. that waited to see if LW 8 is worth it get left out. Oh well, Newtek has to make sales somehow, because there's no way you guys can go head-to-head with the big boys like Alias/wavefront and Avid.
Really, no. We don't normally pre-sell forthcoming upgrades, but in this case it was necessary to provide a NewTek value-add to put the eyeon bundle with. For the regular upgrade cost of $495US, registered [7.5] owners will get $1785 of eyeon's professional compositing software plus the upgrade to [8]. $2280US in software for $496US is not a "sucker deal" by any rational measure.
Well, maybe not totally a sucker, but really the deal is specifically targeted at the LW loyalists--the ppl. that will remain faithfull to LW hell or high water--the ppl. that believe Newtek is god.
We expect to deliver in the fourth quarter as we've stated, and we expect to provide a product that people will find more than worth the upgrade price.
Well, maybe not total suckers, but really the deal is specifically targeted at the LW loyalists--the ppl. that will remain faithfull to LW hell or high water--the ppl. that believe Newtek is god.
Anyway, this is simple advertising--everyone does it. It's the "buy now or you won't get the free knife set" or the "one week only; 50% off".
This deal screws those ppl. who actually value their money. When Siggraph rolls around, you know this deal will be long gone and the ppl. that waited to see if LW 8 is worth it get left out. Oh well, Newtek has to make sales somehow, because there's no way you guys can go head-to-head with the big boys like Alias/wavefront and Avid.
rock
06-07-2003, 05:32 PM
LW somehow just feel outdated for me. The two-pronged but duplicated program separation forces the user to do unnecessary work in Modeler and Layout. The plugin manager and surface editor needs to be seriously looked at and replaced. The render no longer have any leverage over other major apps, although the price and user communities are still ahead for LW. It's just an unbiased opinion. I just played and rendered a nice picture in 3dStudio Max 5.1 demo CD and it's also nice. I just hope Poser will not pull ahead of LW in the next 2 years. If this will be the case, Newtek might as well dedicate its target to the hobbyist group of users only.
robinson
06-07-2003, 06:01 PM
Well, if Lightwave 8 really sucks, we all have at least a good Compositing tool. :rolleyes:
I don’t think this deal screws anybody, nobody gets left out, there are so many special offers every year.
Is there really anybody who actually paid the real price for LW and didn’t get 10 DVDs or something else for free. :curious:
And again this crazy offer with DFX+, sure I wouldn’t pre order just LW for this price, but damn this deal is awesome, I need a good compositing tool anyway…
BTW I sold the 10 DVDs for almost 500 € on ebay, so I paid around 600 € for my LW copy. :beer:
I don’t think this deal screws anybody, nobody gets left out, there are so many special offers every year.
Is there really anybody who actually paid the real price for LW and didn’t get 10 DVDs or something else for free. :curious:
And again this crazy offer with DFX+, sure I wouldn’t pre order just LW for this price, but damn this deal is awesome, I need a good compositing tool anyway…
BTW I sold the 10 DVDs for almost 500 € on ebay, so I paid around 600 € for my LW copy. :beer:
Arte
06-07-2003, 06:10 PM
I have no idea what NT is doing but as someone who has handled larger projects I hope I can offer some insights to development in general from my perspective. I can't reveal what as I am still under NDA's but many reading here including some at Newtek will have an idea.
Firstly you don't hear anything on many projects because there are NDA's on just about everything. Your friends in the media are asked to refrain from making any comments which can harm a project. Just ask Ben Vost.
For instance if Wavefront were close to leasing NT a piece of technology, the worst thing that could happen is for say Discreet to hear of this and approach Alias Wavefront to attempt to block the deal by making a more attractive offer before a deal is done.
And yes, this is realistic. I'm willing to bet most people would be shocked to see how many liscences from competitors are in place.
On a similar note, mouthing on when you are developing is very very stupid.
It does nothing other than alert competitors that you are not asleep and are hard at work.
So in reality for me, for a *proven* development team, no news is fantastic news. If NT were mouthing then I would be worried for them as they would *not* be developing and have nothing in place which could be damaged.
As for Nt needing programmers. So what? A programmer is the last and lowest link of the chain and fairly easily replaced.
A programmer in reality is nothing more than a lackey who implements other people's designs much the same way a builder creates an architects design. If NT were seeking project managers and analysts, then I would worry.
The hard part however is replacing people in smaller teams where a programmer is also an analyst/design engineer. From what I gathered some of Modeler works that way with Stuart and Alex. Classing them programmers however imo is an insult to them.
So my comments to people who call themselves programmers are in no way being rude. Does a nurse take offence when called a nurse instead of a doctor?. IMO it is analysts who class themselves down by calling themselves programmers in many situations when they are nothing of the sort. They may program too but they aren't programmers.
CIM is an example of programmer/analyst dual situations.
X
Firstly you don't hear anything on many projects because there are NDA's on just about everything. Your friends in the media are asked to refrain from making any comments which can harm a project. Just ask Ben Vost.
For instance if Wavefront were close to leasing NT a piece of technology, the worst thing that could happen is for say Discreet to hear of this and approach Alias Wavefront to attempt to block the deal by making a more attractive offer before a deal is done.
And yes, this is realistic. I'm willing to bet most people would be shocked to see how many liscences from competitors are in place.
On a similar note, mouthing on when you are developing is very very stupid.
It does nothing other than alert competitors that you are not asleep and are hard at work.
So in reality for me, for a *proven* development team, no news is fantastic news. If NT were mouthing then I would be worried for them as they would *not* be developing and have nothing in place which could be damaged.
As for Nt needing programmers. So what? A programmer is the last and lowest link of the chain and fairly easily replaced.
A programmer in reality is nothing more than a lackey who implements other people's designs much the same way a builder creates an architects design. If NT were seeking project managers and analysts, then I would worry.
The hard part however is replacing people in smaller teams where a programmer is also an analyst/design engineer. From what I gathered some of Modeler works that way with Stuart and Alex. Classing them programmers however imo is an insult to them.
So my comments to people who call themselves programmers are in no way being rude. Does a nurse take offence when called a nurse instead of a doctor?. IMO it is analysts who class themselves down by calling themselves programmers in many situations when they are nothing of the sort. They may program too but they aren't programmers.
CIM is an example of programmer/analyst dual situations.
X
Zithen
06-07-2003, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by Chuck Baker
We expect to deliver in the fourth quarter as we've stated, and we expect to provide a product that people will find more than worth the upgrade price.
You sound very diplomatic. This LW8 has had the most controversy of all the upgrades. There's a few things to consider because of the Luxology issue. Sorry, but it's true.
Can you not say how excited you are over LW8? We are human beings with emotions here. That fact is inescapable. Uncertainty gives rise to levels of anxiety. To angst. If LW8 is that great, why can't you or anyone else from Newtek express how excited they are over it to at least generate some good buzz before the siggraph preview? That way everyone will be sure to take notice. Wouldn't that be at least shrewd p.r., advertising? Being too silent or suggestive of the worth of the upgrade doesn't sound effective to me. Well, it's not making me feel excited or confident on what will happen. Lux said they're going to disclose some things near siggraph too...you know, that company run by those two guys that write Lightwave, and a host of other programmers that wrote stuff for the app. Hey, we must all make wise economic choices in these times. I know you might not be able to say how big an upgrade LW8 is. But somehow, it would be nice if we could get a little more assurance, is all.
We expect to deliver in the fourth quarter as we've stated, and we expect to provide a product that people will find more than worth the upgrade price.
You sound very diplomatic. This LW8 has had the most controversy of all the upgrades. There's a few things to consider because of the Luxology issue. Sorry, but it's true.
Can you not say how excited you are over LW8? We are human beings with emotions here. That fact is inescapable. Uncertainty gives rise to levels of anxiety. To angst. If LW8 is that great, why can't you or anyone else from Newtek express how excited they are over it to at least generate some good buzz before the siggraph preview? That way everyone will be sure to take notice. Wouldn't that be at least shrewd p.r., advertising? Being too silent or suggestive of the worth of the upgrade doesn't sound effective to me. Well, it's not making me feel excited or confident on what will happen. Lux said they're going to disclose some things near siggraph too...you know, that company run by those two guys that write Lightwave, and a host of other programmers that wrote stuff for the app. Hey, we must all make wise economic choices in these times. I know you might not be able to say how big an upgrade LW8 is. But somehow, it would be nice if we could get a little more assurance, is all.
Emmanuel
06-07-2003, 07:03 PM
Isnt that all going a bit too far again ?
I guess that NT temselves are right now biting into their fingers to avoid the need to scream "Aaaaah, if only we could tell You what we have in the making !!!"
They know very well that this kind of whining and insulting and cynical and pessimistic mood happens before EVERY release.
I have been using it since 4.0, and it was the same before 5, 6 and 7.
How have they complained that 3DS r4 had UV-mapping, but LW not.
Or about modeling tools, animation tools (footsteps etc).
Its just history repeating, some people will be pleased, others will say "Finally, I was asking for that since LW 5!" and others will say "Is that all ?".
Same business as usual.Then they will find out that some of the features don't work, Chuck or Deuce will ask those to send in their hardware config and the scene file, bla, bla, bla.
At the end of the day, LW will be used for another dozen feature films and the compplaining starts again until a maintenace upgrade like 8.5 is released, on which follows 8.5b to fix new bugs introduced in 8.5 (which also introduced a dozen mini-features ).
Did I forget something ? Fine, maybe we can all go back to work now, have a beer or whatever, cause the date for the preview and release are set (Sig/4Q), and we have no further influence on development anyway.
I guess that NT temselves are right now biting into their fingers to avoid the need to scream "Aaaaah, if only we could tell You what we have in the making !!!"
They know very well that this kind of whining and insulting and cynical and pessimistic mood happens before EVERY release.
I have been using it since 4.0, and it was the same before 5, 6 and 7.
How have they complained that 3DS r4 had UV-mapping, but LW not.
Or about modeling tools, animation tools (footsteps etc).
Its just history repeating, some people will be pleased, others will say "Finally, I was asking for that since LW 5!" and others will say "Is that all ?".
Same business as usual.Then they will find out that some of the features don't work, Chuck or Deuce will ask those to send in their hardware config and the scene file, bla, bla, bla.
At the end of the day, LW will be used for another dozen feature films and the compplaining starts again until a maintenace upgrade like 8.5 is released, on which follows 8.5b to fix new bugs introduced in 8.5 (which also introduced a dozen mini-features ).
Did I forget something ? Fine, maybe we can all go back to work now, have a beer or whatever, cause the date for the preview and release are set (Sig/4Q), and we have no further influence on development anyway.
Labuzz
06-07-2003, 07:21 PM
Hey Chuck nice to see you on the green side :rolleyes:
Meaty
06-07-2003, 07:45 PM
uhhhh.... CIM, Newtek IS GOD... where have you been man :p
... and Chuck is my personal savior =]
Seriously though, this is a GREAT offer... even if you don't want DFX+... just sell it on EBay, you could probably get $1K for it... easily (as long as you sell before everyone else) and then you get an upgrade, plus $500 in your pocket.
My order is in! Although, admittedly, CIM, you are right about one thing, I probably would stay with Lightwave come Hell or high water... definatly a loyalist, which might not be a good thing.
... and Chuck is my personal savior =]
Seriously though, this is a GREAT offer... even if you don't want DFX+... just sell it on EBay, you could probably get $1K for it... easily (as long as you sell before everyone else) and then you get an upgrade, plus $500 in your pocket.
My order is in! Although, admittedly, CIM, you are right about one thing, I probably would stay with Lightwave come Hell or high water... definatly a loyalist, which might not be a good thing.
KenM
06-08-2003, 12:00 AM
I'll be going for it. I.m happy with 7.5, and the Eyeon deal is spectacular. Timely for my opportunities too. Thanks Newtek.
peanuckle
06-08-2003, 12:12 AM
I get a free upgrade...ahh.. how wonderful
Zithen
06-08-2003, 12:12 AM
No doubt, thanks Chuck and Newtek for the deal and for being receptive to comments and responding.
ArneK
06-08-2003, 12:40 AM
A great deal for PC users, but what about Mac users..? Where's our special..? DFX is PC only as far as I know... :hmm:
lwbob
06-08-2003, 01:26 AM
Originally posted by ArneK
A great deal for PC users, but what about Mac users..? Where's our special..? DFX is PC only as far as I know... :hmm:
Give Apple time, they will buy it and stick on fancy crome buttons.
A great deal for PC users, but what about Mac users..? Where's our special..? DFX is PC only as far as I know... :hmm:
Give Apple time, they will buy it and stick on fancy crome buttons.
private
06-08-2003, 02:58 AM
Originally posted by Zithen
Lux said they're going to disclose some things near siggraph too...you know, that company run by those two guys that write Lightwave, and a host of other programmers that wrote stuff for the app.
Where did you hear this? I've always thought they haven't said a word since Chuck took over being the voice of the situation.
Lux said they're going to disclose some things near siggraph too...you know, that company run by those two guys that write Lightwave, and a host of other programmers that wrote stuff for the app.
Where did you hear this? I've always thought they haven't said a word since Chuck took over being the voice of the situation.
Zithen
06-08-2003, 04:10 AM
I think it was this that I read.
http://www.cgchannel.com/news/showfeature.jsp?newsid=1222
http://www.cgchannel.com/news/showfeature.jsp?newsid=1222
Meaty
06-08-2003, 04:50 AM
exciting... i cant wait to see what they have been up to
Chuck Baker
06-09-2003, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by Zithen
You sound very diplomatic. This LW8 has had the most controversy of all the upgrades. There's a few things to consider because of the Luxology issue. Sorry, but it's true.
Can you not say how excited you are over LW8? We are human beings with emotions here. That fact is inescapable. Uncertainty gives rise to levels of anxiety. To angst. If LW8 is that great, why can't you or anyone else from Newtek express how excited they are over it to at least generate some good buzz before the siggraph preview? That way everyone will be sure to take notice. Wouldn't that be at least shrewd p.r., advertising? Being too silent or suggestive of the worth of the upgrade doesn't sound effective to me. Well, it's not making me feel excited or confident on what will happen. Lux said they're going to disclose some things near siggraph too...you know, that company run by those two guys that write Lightwave, and a host of other programmers that wrote stuff for the app. Hey, we must all make wise economic choices in these times. I know you might not be able to say how big an upgrade LW8 is. But somehow, it would be nice if we could get a little more assurance, is all.
Yes, that particular response was rather modest. I have in fact made much more enthusiastic responses, and yes, I'm aware that folks do appreciate seeing our enthusiasm, do find it reassuring. Frankly, I felt that at this particular moment in response to the message to which I was replying, the measured response was appropriate.
There's a place for letting enthusiasm take over, and a place as well for plain professional assurance, and that's what stands at the heart of my statement - NewTek absolutely will make sure that our LightWave 3D [8] product is more than worth the upgrade price to our customers.
There's going to be great things in [8], and personally I've never felt better about LightWave's future. The competition in 3D is fiercer than ever, but in such situations the possibilities actually are just limitless, for these are occasions to rise to, not to fear. We have the opportunity most certainly to do new things in development and new things in marketing for a product with a great history, and an even greater future, and we plan to make the most of those opportunities..
You sound very diplomatic. This LW8 has had the most controversy of all the upgrades. There's a few things to consider because of the Luxology issue. Sorry, but it's true.
Can you not say how excited you are over LW8? We are human beings with emotions here. That fact is inescapable. Uncertainty gives rise to levels of anxiety. To angst. If LW8 is that great, why can't you or anyone else from Newtek express how excited they are over it to at least generate some good buzz before the siggraph preview? That way everyone will be sure to take notice. Wouldn't that be at least shrewd p.r., advertising? Being too silent or suggestive of the worth of the upgrade doesn't sound effective to me. Well, it's not making me feel excited or confident on what will happen. Lux said they're going to disclose some things near siggraph too...you know, that company run by those two guys that write Lightwave, and a host of other programmers that wrote stuff for the app. Hey, we must all make wise economic choices in these times. I know you might not be able to say how big an upgrade LW8 is. But somehow, it would be nice if we could get a little more assurance, is all.
Yes, that particular response was rather modest. I have in fact made much more enthusiastic responses, and yes, I'm aware that folks do appreciate seeing our enthusiasm, do find it reassuring. Frankly, I felt that at this particular moment in response to the message to which I was replying, the measured response was appropriate.
There's a place for letting enthusiasm take over, and a place as well for plain professional assurance, and that's what stands at the heart of my statement - NewTek absolutely will make sure that our LightWave 3D [8] product is more than worth the upgrade price to our customers.
There's going to be great things in [8], and personally I've never felt better about LightWave's future. The competition in 3D is fiercer than ever, but in such situations the possibilities actually are just limitless, for these are occasions to rise to, not to fear. We have the opportunity most certainly to do new things in development and new things in marketing for a product with a great history, and an even greater future, and we plan to make the most of those opportunities..
Zithen
06-09-2003, 02:42 AM
Originally posted by Chuck Baker There's going to be great things in [8], and personally I've never felt better about LightWave's future. The competition in 3D is fiercer than ever, but in such situations the possibilities actually are just limitless, for these are occasions to rise to, not to fear. We have the opportunity most certainly to do new things in development and new things in marketing for a product with a great history, and an even greater future, and we plan to make the most of those opportunities..
Thanks Chuck for your response.
Not sure what you mean by having the opportunity "to do new things in development." Wonder why this time would hold better opportunities than any other prior year. But it sounds like you're excited or at least very positive about LW's future. Hopefully you're talking about the near future. :)
I'm very curious to see what LW8 is all about.
Thanks Chuck for your response.
Not sure what you mean by having the opportunity "to do new things in development." Wonder why this time would hold better opportunities than any other prior year. But it sounds like you're excited or at least very positive about LW's future. Hopefully you're talking about the near future. :)
I'm very curious to see what LW8 is all about.
Rumors
06-09-2003, 07:37 AM
Damn you all. I was -so- putting my foot down, not buying the upgrade until it's released. But all this talk of Digital Fusion and how cool it is made me really curious. I downloaded the demo of DF4 and I think I like it. A lot. What's the difference between DF4 and DFX+? Is it just 8 vs 16 bit? Eyeon's web site didn't make it really clear to me.
Now I'm waffling on whether to buy it or not.
When does the deal end? If I buy the upgrade now do I get DFX+ now?
AHH! I totally cannot afford this but I want it.
DAMN YOU!
:)
Now I'm waffling on whether to buy it or not.
When does the deal end? If I buy the upgrade now do I get DFX+ now?
AHH! I totally cannot afford this but I want it.
DAMN YOU!
:)
Howzat
06-09-2003, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by Chuck Baker
Yes, that particular response was rather modest. I have in fact made much more enthusiastic responses, and yes, I'm aware that folks do appreciate seeing our enthusiasm, do find it reassuring. Frankly, I felt that at this particular moment in response to the message to which I was replying, the measured response was appropriate.
There's a place for letting enthusiasm take over, and a place as well for plain professional assurance, and that's what stands at the heart of my statement - NewTek absolutely will make sure that our LightWave 3D [8] product is more than worth the upgrade price to our customers.
There's going to be great things in [8], and personally I've never felt better about LightWave's future. The competition in 3D is fiercer than ever, but in such situations the possibilities actually are just limitless, for these are occasions to rise to, not to fear. We have the opportunity most certainly to do new things in development and new things in marketing for a product with a great history, and an even greater future, and we plan to make the most of those opportunities..
(thanks chuck!)
Why why why aren't statements like this enough for people??
Surely after reading that we can all at least give Newtek the benefit of the doubt that 8 will be a worthy upgrade. For people that believe that we can't trust anything that a Newtek employee says (cough...CIM...cough) then just wait until the damn thing has been previewed before complaining!!!
Yes, that particular response was rather modest. I have in fact made much more enthusiastic responses, and yes, I'm aware that folks do appreciate seeing our enthusiasm, do find it reassuring. Frankly, I felt that at this particular moment in response to the message to which I was replying, the measured response was appropriate.
There's a place for letting enthusiasm take over, and a place as well for plain professional assurance, and that's what stands at the heart of my statement - NewTek absolutely will make sure that our LightWave 3D [8] product is more than worth the upgrade price to our customers.
There's going to be great things in [8], and personally I've never felt better about LightWave's future. The competition in 3D is fiercer than ever, but in such situations the possibilities actually are just limitless, for these are occasions to rise to, not to fear. We have the opportunity most certainly to do new things in development and new things in marketing for a product with a great history, and an even greater future, and we plan to make the most of those opportunities..
(thanks chuck!)
Why why why aren't statements like this enough for people??
Surely after reading that we can all at least give Newtek the benefit of the doubt that 8 will be a worthy upgrade. For people that believe that we can't trust anything that a Newtek employee says (cough...CIM...cough) then just wait until the damn thing has been previewed before complaining!!!
Jonathan
06-09-2003, 09:57 AM
Siggraph is when? September or August? I'm not sure anymore. Copenhagen, Siggraph, E3, hard to keep up with it all. Nonetheless, in the end, some people like myself simply don't have time to wait for what we hope will be the answer to our problems and need an immediate solution.
As the market gets more competitive, having a product ready to go on a moments notice seems to be become more the trend of things these days. Those of us who work alone and on our own resources, well work-arounds are more than just a simple splinter and if you count the amount of hours doing work-arounds, which for me can be anywhere from 2 to 3 hours a day in a 5 day week, that's 10 to 15 hours a week I could be making progress. Push that into a 30 day month then I've lost 300 to 450 hours to work-arounds which in end hold up everything because the entire schedule gets pushed back, and things don't get rendered and I have less examples to show people whom I'm trying to get funding from.
I truely hope that this next version answers many of the problems plaguing users like myself. Needless to say, I may never give up the Lightwave modeller. It's too cool and I hate right clicking with all of those menus which what I'm forced to learn now with Maya, but the payoff is an animation scheme that fits my habits.
As the market gets more competitive, having a product ready to go on a moments notice seems to be become more the trend of things these days. Those of us who work alone and on our own resources, well work-arounds are more than just a simple splinter and if you count the amount of hours doing work-arounds, which for me can be anywhere from 2 to 3 hours a day in a 5 day week, that's 10 to 15 hours a week I could be making progress. Push that into a 30 day month then I've lost 300 to 450 hours to work-arounds which in end hold up everything because the entire schedule gets pushed back, and things don't get rendered and I have less examples to show people whom I'm trying to get funding from.
I truely hope that this next version answers many of the problems plaguing users like myself. Needless to say, I may never give up the Lightwave modeller. It's too cool and I hate right clicking with all of those menus which what I'm forced to learn now with Maya, but the payoff is an animation scheme that fits my habits.
CIM
06-09-2003, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by Jonathan
Siggraph is when? September or August? I'm not sure anymore. Copenhagen, Siggraph, E3, hard to keep up with it all. Nonetheless, in the end, some people like myself simply don't have time to wait for what we hope will be the answer to our problems and need an immediate solution.
As the market gets more competitive, having a product ready to go on a moments notice seems to be become more the trend of things these days. Those of us who work alone and on our own resources, well work-arounds are more than just a simple splinter and if you count the amount of hours doing work-arounds, which for me can be anywhere from 2 to 3 hours a day in a 5 day week, that's 10 to 15 hours a week I could be making progress. Push that into a 30 day month then I've lost 300 to 450 hours to work-arounds which in end hold up everything because the entire schedule gets pushed back, and things don't get rendered and I have less examples to show people whom I'm trying to get funding from.
I truely hope that this next version answers many of the problems plaguing users like myself. Needless to say, I may never give up the Lightwave modeller. It's too cool and I hate right clicking with all of those menus which what I'm forced to learn now with Maya, but the payoff is an animation scheme that fits my habits.
Siggraph is the end of July.
I too will probably continue to use LW for modeling, but unless LW 8 is a huge leap forward, and the huge amount of problems, poor workflow, and lacking tools doesn't change, I'll stick to Maya for the rest. :)
Siggraph is when? September or August? I'm not sure anymore. Copenhagen, Siggraph, E3, hard to keep up with it all. Nonetheless, in the end, some people like myself simply don't have time to wait for what we hope will be the answer to our problems and need an immediate solution.
As the market gets more competitive, having a product ready to go on a moments notice seems to be become more the trend of things these days. Those of us who work alone and on our own resources, well work-arounds are more than just a simple splinter and if you count the amount of hours doing work-arounds, which for me can be anywhere from 2 to 3 hours a day in a 5 day week, that's 10 to 15 hours a week I could be making progress. Push that into a 30 day month then I've lost 300 to 450 hours to work-arounds which in end hold up everything because the entire schedule gets pushed back, and things don't get rendered and I have less examples to show people whom I'm trying to get funding from.
I truely hope that this next version answers many of the problems plaguing users like myself. Needless to say, I may never give up the Lightwave modeller. It's too cool and I hate right clicking with all of those menus which what I'm forced to learn now with Maya, but the payoff is an animation scheme that fits my habits.
Siggraph is the end of July.
I too will probably continue to use LW for modeling, but unless LW 8 is a huge leap forward, and the huge amount of problems, poor workflow, and lacking tools doesn't change, I'll stick to Maya for the rest. :)
lwbob
06-09-2003, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by Howzat
Why why why aren't statements like this enough for people??
It might be because marketing "Rah Rah, Go Team, Go" isn't a feature list or a screen shot. It is what YOU wanted to see and asked Chuck for.
Surely after reading that we can all at least give Newtek the benefit of the doubt that 8 will be a worthy upgrade.
This thread is about buying an upgrade sight unseen. Ok, it has bundled software but you are asking us to spend our money on software that people feel uncertain about.
For people that believe that we can't trust anything that a Newtek employee says then just wait until the damn thing has been previewed before complaining!!!
No one said LW8 IS a pile of crap. I haven't run across any reviews yet. Faith in LW 8 has been shaken a little with the very buggy release of 7.5b and the still somewhat buggy 7.5c.
Why why why aren't statements like this enough for people??
It might be because marketing "Rah Rah, Go Team, Go" isn't a feature list or a screen shot. It is what YOU wanted to see and asked Chuck for.
Surely after reading that we can all at least give Newtek the benefit of the doubt that 8 will be a worthy upgrade.
This thread is about buying an upgrade sight unseen. Ok, it has bundled software but you are asking us to spend our money on software that people feel uncertain about.
For people that believe that we can't trust anything that a Newtek employee says then just wait until the damn thing has been previewed before complaining!!!
No one said LW8 IS a pile of crap. I haven't run across any reviews yet. Faith in LW 8 has been shaken a little with the very buggy release of 7.5b and the still somewhat buggy 7.5c.
rock
06-09-2003, 04:43 PM
If given a choice, I will rather have information from this forum community that has some ill facts about LW than a forum, where "LW is perfect - the future is too bright, so bring your shades", because no software (Maya, XSI, or MotionBuilder are without ills). I think I learn as much knowing the software weak points just as much and sometimes more than with its strengths.
Thalaxis
06-09-2003, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by Arte
As for Nt needing programmers. So what? A programmer is the last and lowest link of the chain and fairly easily replaced.
Good programmers are most certainly not easily replaced, they're exceedingly difficult to find to begin with, and when they leave, the ramp-up time for a the replacement is often fatal to a project.
That assinine attitude that your post shows is the reason that there is so much turnover in the IT industry.
As for Nt needing programmers. So what? A programmer is the last and lowest link of the chain and fairly easily replaced.
Good programmers are most certainly not easily replaced, they're exceedingly difficult to find to begin with, and when they leave, the ramp-up time for a the replacement is often fatal to a project.
That assinine attitude that your post shows is the reason that there is so much turnover in the IT industry.
NanoGator
06-09-2003, 05:37 PM
Hey CIM, I found a new avatar for ya.
http://www.jeffbots.com/marvin.jpg
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Nemoid
06-10-2003, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by Chuck Baker
There's going to be great things in [8], and personally I've never felt better about LightWave's future. The competition in 3D is fiercer than ever, but in such situations the possibilities actually are just limitless, for these are occasions to rise to, not to fear. We have the opportunity most certainly to do new things in development and new things in marketing for a product with a great history, and an even greater future, and we plan to make the most of those opportunities..
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :thumbsup:
There's going to be great things in [8], and personally I've never felt better about LightWave's future. The competition in 3D is fiercer than ever, but in such situations the possibilities actually are just limitless, for these are occasions to rise to, not to fear. We have the opportunity most certainly to do new things in development and new things in marketing for a product with a great history, and an even greater future, and we plan to make the most of those opportunities..
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :thumbsup:
vuka
06-10-2003, 04:56 PM
Ordered the update-bundle today,
DFX+ :applause: :beer:
LW [8] :drool: :drool: :drool:
CAI-Systeme in Germany takes orders, shipping within aboute 10 days, so for all the boys and girls in Germany, call them, actual the offer is not listed on their website (they are to busy), their offer expires June 30.
Gruesse from Germany:wavey:
www.cai-systeme.com/index_ie.html (http://www.cai-systeme.com/index_ie.html)
DFX+ :applause: :beer:
LW [8] :drool: :drool: :drool:
CAI-Systeme in Germany takes orders, shipping within aboute 10 days, so for all the boys and girls in Germany, call them, actual the offer is not listed on their website (they are to busy), their offer expires June 30.
Gruesse from Germany:wavey:
www.cai-systeme.com/index_ie.html (http://www.cai-systeme.com/index_ie.html)
Chuck Baker
06-10-2003, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by lwbob
It might be because marketing "Rah Rah, Go Team, Go" isn't a feature list or a screen shot. It is what YOU wanted to see and asked Chuck for.
Actually Zithen asked for a more enthusiastic expression from a NewTek staffer, not Howzat.
This thread is about buying an upgrade sight unseen. Ok, it has bundled software but you are asking us to spend our money on software that people feel uncertain about.
We're offering a $495US LightWave 3D update with $1785US in professional compositing software for just the $495US price of the software upgrade. We have not sold upgrades sight-unseen previously, despite the fact that every one of our major competitors does so via "support contracts". So the concept of paying in advance for "unknown" upgrades is unusual for us, but not unusual in the industry. We have described the areas of emphasis for this upgrade, which is more than our competitiors do regarding the updates to be included with service or support contracts. Putting about $1800 worth of major compositing package in your hands right now is also somewhat different from what you can expect elsewhere.
The [8] upgrade offer is available as a means to allow registered [7.5] owners to take advantage of the offer we've worked out with eyeon, and to get something from NewTek as as well. We feel we are offering an incredible value in providing $2280US in software for just $495.
The fact of the matter is that if we'd just offered the DFX+ bundle with new copies of [7.5] and with upgrades to [7.5] from [6.5] and earlier, then these long threads would not be about offering an upgrade to [8] sight unseen, they'd be about why NewTek was not providing [7.5] owners some way to get the eyeon special offer.
It might be because marketing "Rah Rah, Go Team, Go" isn't a feature list or a screen shot. It is what YOU wanted to see and asked Chuck for.
Actually Zithen asked for a more enthusiastic expression from a NewTek staffer, not Howzat.
This thread is about buying an upgrade sight unseen. Ok, it has bundled software but you are asking us to spend our money on software that people feel uncertain about.
We're offering a $495US LightWave 3D update with $1785US in professional compositing software for just the $495US price of the software upgrade. We have not sold upgrades sight-unseen previously, despite the fact that every one of our major competitors does so via "support contracts". So the concept of paying in advance for "unknown" upgrades is unusual for us, but not unusual in the industry. We have described the areas of emphasis for this upgrade, which is more than our competitiors do regarding the updates to be included with service or support contracts. Putting about $1800 worth of major compositing package in your hands right now is also somewhat different from what you can expect elsewhere.
The [8] upgrade offer is available as a means to allow registered [7.5] owners to take advantage of the offer we've worked out with eyeon, and to get something from NewTek as as well. We feel we are offering an incredible value in providing $2280US in software for just $495.
The fact of the matter is that if we'd just offered the DFX+ bundle with new copies of [7.5] and with upgrades to [7.5] from [6.5] and earlier, then these long threads would not be about offering an upgrade to [8] sight unseen, they'd be about why NewTek was not providing [7.5] owners some way to get the eyeon special offer.
AnimaLMotheR
06-10-2003, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by NanoGator
Hey CIM, I found a new avatar for ya.
http://www.jeffbots.com/marvin.jpg
Hope i wasnt the only one who got that one. :D:D
Hey CIM, I found a new avatar for ya.
http://www.jeffbots.com/marvin.jpg
Hope i wasnt the only one who got that one. :D:D
preludian
06-10-2003, 06:54 PM
Yeah, I ordered the upgrade too today, can't wait to have dfx+ in my hands and Siggraph for the lw8 news. Hope they get instances added. One thing though, CAI wasn't sure off, was if the dongle is fixed with the lw serial ( so no chance to sell, for the macs out there) or if it's a normal standalone dongle. Chuck??
NanoGator
06-10-2003, 07:05 PM
Originally posted by AnimaLMotheR
Hope i wasnt the only one who got that one. :D:D
I was wondering if it was a little too obscure. Heh.
Hope i wasnt the only one who got that one. :D:D
I was wondering if it was a little too obscure. Heh.
CIM
06-10-2003, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by NanoGator
I was wondering if it was a little too obscure. Heh.
It is for me.
I was wondering if it was a little too obscure. Heh.
It is for me.
NanoGator
06-10-2003, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by CIM
It is for me.
Never read Hitchhiker's Guide?
It is for me.
Never read Hitchhiker's Guide?
Chuck Baker
06-10-2003, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by preludian
Yeah, I ordered the upgrade too today, can't wait to have dfx+ in my hands and Siggraph for the lw8 news. Hope they get instances added. One thing though, CAI wasn't sure off, was if the dongle is fixed with the lw serial ( so no chance to sell, for the macs out there) or if it's a normal standalone dongle. Chuck??
Normal standalone!
Yeah, I ordered the upgrade too today, can't wait to have dfx+ in my hands and Siggraph for the lw8 news. Hope they get instances added. One thing though, CAI wasn't sure off, was if the dongle is fixed with the lw serial ( so no chance to sell, for the macs out there) or if it's a normal standalone dongle. Chuck??
Normal standalone!
NanoGator
06-10-2003, 07:42 PM
Chuck, will this deal be available after LW8 is displayed at Siggraph?
(I apologize if this has already been answered, I haven't had time to catch up with the thread...)
(I apologize if this has already been answered, I haven't had time to catch up with the thread...)
preludian
06-10-2003, 09:52 PM
Normal standalone!
don't know of any reason not to upgrade now then :drool:
don't know of any reason not to upgrade now then :drool:
Chuck Baker
06-11-2003, 02:29 AM
The offer is scheduled to run through June 30, 2003.
NanoGator
06-11-2003, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by Chuck Baker
The offer is scheduled to run through June 30, 2003.
Hmm. Tempting but I haveta pass. I wanna know what I'm buying before I buy it!
Hehe. Sorry. Digital Fusion sounds good, but it's icing to me. I really wanna know what's happening with 8 before I buy the upgrade.
(note: If Newtek were to provide a peek before the 30th...)
The offer is scheduled to run through June 30, 2003.
Hmm. Tempting but I haveta pass. I wanna know what I'm buying before I buy it!
Hehe. Sorry. Digital Fusion sounds good, but it's icing to me. I really wanna know what's happening with 8 before I buy the upgrade.
(note: If Newtek were to provide a peek before the 30th...)
lwbob
06-11-2003, 03:07 AM
Originally posted by NanoGator
Hmm. Tempting but I haveta pass. I wanna know what I'm buying before I buy it!
Yeah, the funny thing it it would feel different if We were buying Digital Fusion with a free LW8. It is all in how you look at it.
The thing I would have trouble with is that "enhancements" sounds more like a .5 upgrade instead of a full version.
Hmm. Tempting but I haveta pass. I wanna know what I'm buying before I buy it!
Yeah, the funny thing it it would feel different if We were buying Digital Fusion with a free LW8. It is all in how you look at it.
The thing I would have trouble with is that "enhancements" sounds more like a .5 upgrade instead of a full version.
CTRL+X
06-11-2003, 03:29 AM
Chuck, what about someone comming from version 5.6??
deal still applies??? pre-order 8 and get dfx+ along with it?
for how much??
Sorry if this thread covered it.
Thanks
deal still applies??? pre-order 8 and get dfx+ along with it?
for how much??
Sorry if this thread covered it.
Thanks
rock
06-11-2003, 04:24 AM
How about letting us know more details about 8 and then tell us to preorder. The preorder deal is over even before we know more about it. For big studios :thumbsup: , for individuals :thumbsdow .
lwbob
06-11-2003, 04:39 AM
Plus the money that is taken right now will go to software that won't ship until fourth quarter or heaven forbid next year if late. At least I get that $1500 worth of "composite lite" right now for my LW8 upgrade Newtek will charge me for now.
CIM
06-11-2003, 10:15 AM
This Digital Fusion deal is just to get new seats of LW sold, not to get ppl. to upgrade to LW 8. LW 8 will probably be released at Siggraph, so this is why Newtek is throwing it into the deal. Then again, Newtek could just be super-desperate for sales. :shrug:
yog
06-11-2003, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by lwbob
Yeah, the funny thing it it would feel different if We were buying Digital Fusion with a free LW8. It is all in how you look at it.
It's the way I'm looking at it :bounce: I've been seriously looking at DFX+ for a while, this way I get to buy it for a fraction of it's normal price and even get a free upgrade to LW8 thrown in :thumbsup:
Got the e-mail from the UK distributor last night, and ordered ten minutes later :love:
Yeah, the funny thing it it would feel different if We were buying Digital Fusion with a free LW8. It is all in how you look at it.
It's the way I'm looking at it :bounce: I've been seriously looking at DFX+ for a while, this way I get to buy it for a fraction of it's normal price and even get a free upgrade to LW8 thrown in :thumbsup:
Got the e-mail from the UK distributor last night, and ordered ten minutes later :love:
PHILL_JAMES2000
06-11-2003, 02:38 PM
from a professional POV, where you have to justify what you are wanting to buy to your financial director, if you are looking at buying Digital Fusion anyway, then it's a very good deal. Otherwise...
mrcz
06-11-2003, 04:36 PM
It looks like great deal for someone who sugests to buy new seat of LW or DFX+, but count with me. Special price for DFX+ with modules 1-6 is 1750 USD(Czech Republic). You will buy module 1 and 3 and VERY probably everyone will want another two modules ( for tracking and network rendering) each for 750 USD. So you buy bundle LWupg.DFX + next two modules three month later for 400+1500=1900 USD :hmm:. But it is EXAMPLE only.
Nobody gives you anything gratis.
I see three drawback for me.
1. Will be LW8 better or the same for I use it for ? If I will need new tools I will buy upgrade. :shrug:
2. DFX+ is 8-bit only :thumbsdow:
3.I still waint for linux version of DF :thumbsup:
Nobody gives you anything gratis.
I see three drawback for me.
1. Will be LW8 better or the same for I use it for ? If I will need new tools I will buy upgrade. :shrug:
2. DFX+ is 8-bit only :thumbsdow:
3.I still waint for linux version of DF :thumbsup:
Chuck Baker
06-11-2003, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by CTRL+X
Chuck, what about someone comming from version 5.6??
deal still applies??? pre-order 8 and get dfx+ along with it?
for how much??
Sorry if this thread covered it.
Thanks
Actually, if you have 5.6, then you would purchase an upgrade to [7.5] for $495US, and receive [7.5] and DFX+ with modules 1 and 4 now, and get a free upgrade to [8] when it ships. This is covered in the press release.
Chuck, what about someone comming from version 5.6??
deal still applies??? pre-order 8 and get dfx+ along with it?
for how much??
Sorry if this thread covered it.
Thanks
Actually, if you have 5.6, then you would purchase an upgrade to [7.5] for $495US, and receive [7.5] and DFX+ with modules 1 and 4 now, and get a free upgrade to [8] when it ships. This is covered in the press release.
CTRL+X
06-11-2003, 05:34 PM
Thanks Chuck!!
I knew it was covered, but honestly, whom ever writes NT's press releases needs to be more clear in points being made.
Maybe its just me but NT's press releases always seem confusing.
Again Thanks!
I knew it was covered, but honestly, whom ever writes NT's press releases needs to be more clear in points being made.
Maybe its just me but NT's press releases always seem confusing.
Again Thanks!
NanoGator
06-11-2003, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by NanoGator
Hmm. Tempting but I haveta pass. I wanna know what I'm buying before I buy it!
Hehe. Sorry. Digital Fusion sounds good, but it's icing to me. I really wanna know what's happening with 8 before I buy the upgrade.
(note: If Newtek were to provide a peek before the 30th...)
Just to ammend my point a little bit, I have After Effects. If somebody has Lightwave but doesn't have a compositiong package, I'd encourage you to consider this deal. You'd be surprisied what happens to your workflow once you learn how to layerize your renders. :)
Hmm. Tempting but I haveta pass. I wanna know what I'm buying before I buy it!
Hehe. Sorry. Digital Fusion sounds good, but it's icing to me. I really wanna know what's happening with 8 before I buy the upgrade.
(note: If Newtek were to provide a peek before the 30th...)
Just to ammend my point a little bit, I have After Effects. If somebody has Lightwave but doesn't have a compositiong package, I'd encourage you to consider this deal. You'd be surprisied what happens to your workflow once you learn how to layerize your renders. :)
Chuck Baker
06-11-2003, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by CTRL+X
Thanks Chuck!!
I knew it was covered, but honestly, whom ever writes NT's press releases needs to be more clear in points being made.
Maybe its just me but NT's press releases always seem confusing.
Again Thanks!
We'll work on making them clearer! :)
Thanks Chuck!!
I knew it was covered, but honestly, whom ever writes NT's press releases needs to be more clear in points being made.
Maybe its just me but NT's press releases always seem confusing.
Again Thanks!
We'll work on making them clearer! :)
DougNicola
06-11-2003, 09:16 PM
Minor correction to Chuck's earlier post, just to avoid any more "confusing" things...The deal comes with modules 1 and 4, not 1 and 3. :)
Chuck Baker
06-11-2003, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by Doug Nicola
Minor correction to Chuck's earlier post, just to avoid any more "confusing" things...The deal comes with modules 1 and 4, not 1 and 3. :)
Sorry! I've edited to correct that!
Minor correction to Chuck's earlier post, just to avoid any more "confusing" things...The deal comes with modules 1 and 4, not 1 and 3. :)
Sorry! I've edited to correct that!
Chuck Baker
06-12-2003, 12:02 AM
Originally posted by lwbob
Yeah, the funny thing it it would feel different if We were buying Digital Fusion with a free LW8. It is all in how you look at it.
The whole point of creating the [8] upgrade offer was to provide a way to extend the eyeon DFX+ bundle to current owners of [7.5]. We've had folks who are already getting [8] free ask to purchase the special, even though they don't need the upgrade that they are technically purchasing. Yes, we chose to express it as selling an upgrade and getting DFX+ free. What it actually is, is getting $2280US in software for $495US. $1785US of that is the DFX+ bundle, and a number of folks are deciding that $1785US in state-of-the-art broadcast compositing software for $495US is more than enough of a bargain and are opting to buy it.
If we hadn't created an offer for current [7.5] owners to get the DFX+ special, that's what the threads would all be about.
Yeah, the funny thing it it would feel different if We were buying Digital Fusion with a free LW8. It is all in how you look at it.
The whole point of creating the [8] upgrade offer was to provide a way to extend the eyeon DFX+ bundle to current owners of [7.5]. We've had folks who are already getting [8] free ask to purchase the special, even though they don't need the upgrade that they are technically purchasing. Yes, we chose to express it as selling an upgrade and getting DFX+ free. What it actually is, is getting $2280US in software for $495US. $1785US of that is the DFX+ bundle, and a number of folks are deciding that $1785US in state-of-the-art broadcast compositing software for $495US is more than enough of a bargain and are opting to buy it.
If we hadn't created an offer for current [7.5] owners to get the DFX+ special, that's what the threads would all be about.
Jonathan
06-12-2003, 01:17 AM
I just hope it all works out for the best. Lightwave is still a great deal even though it has it's hangups, and as I said before, I may never give up the modeler. It still shines like the bright silmaril on Earendil's brow.
preludian
06-12-2003, 05:16 PM
Hi Chuck, just having a question here, 'cause I don't understand the marketing criteria.
I have ordered the lw8/dfx+ update for 495Euro + Vat.
DFX+ is soo cool, I love you for making this deal.
But what I don't understand is, I wanted to buy another seat as a competitive version (Cinema8) with DFX+ too for 995 + vat. My dealer CAI in Germany told me then, that I could only buy the competitive with the character dvd's, but not the dfx+ version, this one would cost 1495+. I must admit not understandung the logic behind this?? The dealer was so kind to try to find an old lw version which I could then update for 495+. Why the hassle, why can't I do a competitve sidegrade with dfx+ for 995+?? Could you please explain me, because I surely won't buy lw/dfx+ for 1495 if I can have it for ~1000+vat, but why the :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:
I have ordered the lw8/dfx+ update for 495Euro + Vat.
DFX+ is soo cool, I love you for making this deal.
But what I don't understand is, I wanted to buy another seat as a competitive version (Cinema8) with DFX+ too for 995 + vat. My dealer CAI in Germany told me then, that I could only buy the competitive with the character dvd's, but not the dfx+ version, this one would cost 1495+. I must admit not understandung the logic behind this?? The dealer was so kind to try to find an old lw version which I could then update for 495+. Why the hassle, why can't I do a competitve sidegrade with dfx+ for 995+?? Could you please explain me, because I surely won't buy lw/dfx+ for 1495 if I can have it for ~1000+vat, but why the :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:
Chuck Baker
06-12-2003, 08:12 PM
I believe our costs in providing the DFX+ bundle preclude offering it in combination with other discounts or special offers.
preludian
06-12-2003, 08:41 PM
Meaning 'No deal, quickly buy yourself an old version an update fast'?? Right?
robinson
06-17-2003, 04:33 PM
Damn, I’m brrrrroooooookkkkkkkeeeeee, just ordered the update.... :cry:
Hey Newtek,
please include everything in the Lightwave 8 download, I don’t care if it is a 1 or 20 GB file, just don’t want to miss the stuff from the Original CD ? :curious:
Hey Newtek,
please include everything in the Lightwave 8 download, I don’t care if it is a 1 or 20 GB file, just don’t want to miss the stuff from the Original CD ? :curious:
Bytehawk
06-17-2003, 05:44 PM
just ordered it from onevideo today
yipeeeeeee
4 weeks until delivery - that sucks -
have to wait that long to play with the new toys
yipeeeeeee
4 weeks until delivery - that sucks -
have to wait that long to play with the new toys
dragonfollower
06-17-2003, 06:02 PM
OK, here's a question. Hope this is an OK place to ask this....
if I order the 5.5 academic to 7.5 commerical upgrade from Share Harbor, do I still get the free upgrade to 8 as well as the DFX deal?
Or do I have to upgrade directly from New Tek?
-Brian
if I order the 5.5 academic to 7.5 commerical upgrade from Share Harbor, do I still get the free upgrade to 8 as well as the DFX deal?
Or do I have to upgrade directly from New Tek?
-Brian
Bytehawk
06-17-2003, 06:12 PM
Yesss
you get 75 now, 8 when released and the dfx deal
schweet innit?
be sure you order the dfx deal though, there 's some other stuff with dvd's doin the rounds too
you get 75 now, 8 when released and the dfx deal
schweet innit?
be sure you order the dfx deal though, there 's some other stuff with dvd's doin the rounds too
PolyMangler
06-17-2003, 07:52 PM
yeah i'm all about getting some shinny new toys from the guys at newtek but they're gonna have to earn thier keep with the upgrade, don't think i'll by until i try.....but man i can't wait to try :drool:
Meaty
06-18-2003, 01:01 AM
weee!! Got my package today!
http://www.deadpixelsociety.com/cgtalk/box.jpg
and the dfx dongle seems to be getting along with the lightwave dongle. :thumbsup:
http://www.deadpixelsociety.com/cgtalk/dongles.jpg
I cant wait to dig in!
you cant read my dongle number can you? ;)
http://www.deadpixelsociety.com/cgtalk/box.jpg
and the dfx dongle seems to be getting along with the lightwave dongle. :thumbsup:
http://www.deadpixelsociety.com/cgtalk/dongles.jpg
I cant wait to dig in!
you cant read my dongle number can you? ;)
robinson
06-18-2003, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by Meaty
weee!! Got my package today!
LOL
Thanxs Meaty for these pictures can't wait for my DFX+ box to come....:drool: :love: :drool:
weee!! Got my package today!
LOL
Thanxs Meaty for these pictures can't wait for my DFX+ box to come....:drool: :love: :drool:
Thalaxis
06-18-2003, 02:55 AM
D'oh! Another damned dongle. Great, just what I need.
A parallel is particularly annoying, since my laptop doesn't have a parallel port.
A parallel is particularly annoying, since my laptop doesn't have a parallel port.
kleinaa
06-18-2003, 03:09 AM
Hello, Newbie Question Here:
The DFX+ version that comes with the Lightwave upgrade is noted as bing 8bit. Does this not mean 8bit color?
Is this not a serious limitation for most compositions?
Excuse my ignorance in the matter.
The DFX+ version that comes with the Lightwave upgrade is noted as bing 8bit. Does this not mean 8bit color?
Is this not a serious limitation for most compositions?
Excuse my ignorance in the matter.
Psyhke
06-18-2003, 03:26 AM
8 bits per channel. (So it's standard 24-bit for the full image)
kleinaa
06-18-2003, 03:32 AM
ahh... Thanks for the feedback.
This offer looks alot more attractive now!
This offer looks alot more attractive now!
Thalaxis
06-18-2003, 04:23 AM
I imagine that a compositing package which only supported 256 colors would be rather a hard sell :)
NanoGator
06-18-2003, 05:06 AM
Sure he wasn't talking about HDRI?
Meaty
06-18-2003, 05:18 AM
Originally posted by Thalaxis
D'oh! Another damned dongle. Great, just what I need.
A parallel is particularly annoying, since my laptop doesn't have a parallel port.
I read that you can request a USB dongle and they'll swap them out for you
D'oh! Another damned dongle. Great, just what I need.
A parallel is particularly annoying, since my laptop doesn't have a parallel port.
I read that you can request a USB dongle and they'll swap them out for you
Meaty
06-18-2003, 05:27 AM
Originally posted by kleinaa
Hello, Newbie Question Here:
The DFX+ version that comes with the Lightwave upgrade is noted as bing 8bit. Does this not mean 8bit color?
Is this not a serious limitation for most compositions?
Excuse my ignorance in the matter.
I am a compositing n00b too. But I have heard that floating point color is only necessary for high res work, for most work in NTSC, 32-bit suffices...
I think the biggest shortcoming of the software, from what i have gathered so far, is that it doesnt have the Keying module. The keying module has UltraKeyer which is how you composite images into film via the alpha channel in DFX+. The keying module is an extra $500 :hmm: I am not sure if there is some other way to do it though. Maybe a less sophisticated Keying portion. Strictly speaking, that type of compositing can be done in lightwave, but that doesnt exactly make for a streamlined process. I'll play more tomorrow and see what i can figure out (all i did was watch the videos that came with it today)
edit: by 8-bit color they mean 8-bits per channel which is 32-bit RGBA
Hello, Newbie Question Here:
The DFX+ version that comes with the Lightwave upgrade is noted as bing 8bit. Does this not mean 8bit color?
Is this not a serious limitation for most compositions?
Excuse my ignorance in the matter.
I am a compositing n00b too. But I have heard that floating point color is only necessary for high res work, for most work in NTSC, 32-bit suffices...
I think the biggest shortcoming of the software, from what i have gathered so far, is that it doesnt have the Keying module. The keying module has UltraKeyer which is how you composite images into film via the alpha channel in DFX+. The keying module is an extra $500 :hmm: I am not sure if there is some other way to do it though. Maybe a less sophisticated Keying portion. Strictly speaking, that type of compositing can be done in lightwave, but that doesnt exactly make for a streamlined process. I'll play more tomorrow and see what i can figure out (all i did was watch the videos that came with it today)
edit: by 8-bit color they mean 8-bits per channel which is 32-bit RGBA
zuzzabuzz
06-18-2003, 06:13 AM
My DFX+ just came today. When I preordered, the buyers remorse hit me almost immediately. Now that I have 1/2 of the deal (looking forward to LW8), I feel much better.
So far, it's very intuitive and I've been tweaking animations i did in lightwave. I've even started generating stuff from scratch in DFX...just eyecandy stuff.
Too bad I cannot afford a digital camera to bring video in. If i bought the camera, I couldn't have afforded the special deal. Catch-22.
Anyway, feeling better already!
PS: i think it comes with rudimentary chroma keying. No magic wands, so probably more work than the $500 package but still its something.
So far, it's very intuitive and I've been tweaking animations i did in lightwave. I've even started generating stuff from scratch in DFX...just eyecandy stuff.
Too bad I cannot afford a digital camera to bring video in. If i bought the camera, I couldn't have afforded the special deal. Catch-22.
Anyway, feeling better already!
PS: i think it comes with rudimentary chroma keying. No magic wands, so probably more work than the $500 package but still its something.
kleinaa
06-18-2003, 06:17 AM
Hello Meaty,
I would really like to hear your input on your interpretation of the value of the DFX+ package. I am still debating the purchase by June 30th.
I currently own Aura 2.5b and am questioning the benefits of moving to DFX+. I am not currently budgeted to buy the extra modules in the near future. The extra value that DFX+ provides needs to offset the nagging I am going to hear from my wife if I buy the updgrade right away :rolleyes:
If there is not a true benefit to the DFX+ package with the provided modules vs. Aura 2.5b. I probably hold off on the purchase and maintain a happy household. :hmm:
Thanks to all for the feedback, and yes I was concerned that it was a 256 color package LOL. I could not believe there was not more scoffing at the offer. Now it is clear!
Noob out
I would really like to hear your input on your interpretation of the value of the DFX+ package. I am still debating the purchase by June 30th.
I currently own Aura 2.5b and am questioning the benefits of moving to DFX+. I am not currently budgeted to buy the extra modules in the near future. The extra value that DFX+ provides needs to offset the nagging I am going to hear from my wife if I buy the updgrade right away :rolleyes:
If there is not a true benefit to the DFX+ package with the provided modules vs. Aura 2.5b. I probably hold off on the purchase and maintain a happy household. :hmm:
Thanks to all for the feedback, and yes I was concerned that it was a 256 color package LOL. I could not believe there was not more scoffing at the offer. Now it is clear!
Noob out
Thalaxis
06-18-2003, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by Meaty
I read that you can request a USB dongle and they'll swap them out for you
That's definitely good news!
Thanks!
I read that you can request a USB dongle and they'll swap them out for you
That's definitely good news!
Thanks!
robinson
06-18-2003, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by kleinaa
Hello Meaty,
I would really like to hear your input on your interpretation of the value of the DFX+ package. I am still debating the purchase by June 30th.
I currently own Aura 2.5b and am questioning the benefits of moving to DFX+. I am not currently budgeted to buy the extra modules in the near future. The extra value that DFX+ provides needs to offset the nagging I am going to hear from my wife if I buy the updgrade right away :rolleyes:
If there is not a true benefit to the DFX+ package with the provided modules vs. Aura 2.5b. I probably hold off on the purchase and maintain a happy household. :hmm:
I would defiantly buy, I mean I ordered.
DFX+ is a great compositing tool, I don’t know Aura but it looks to me that Aura is a good paint program (like discreet paint, that’s what I still have) and not the best compositing tool. At least that’s what I read on this forum.
You can download the demo version, not DFX+ but DF4 (the bigger brother) and figure out if you like this tool, there are a few things missing in DFX+ compared to DF4 but still enough for me...
http://www.eyeonline.com/
Hello Meaty,
I would really like to hear your input on your interpretation of the value of the DFX+ package. I am still debating the purchase by June 30th.
I currently own Aura 2.5b and am questioning the benefits of moving to DFX+. I am not currently budgeted to buy the extra modules in the near future. The extra value that DFX+ provides needs to offset the nagging I am going to hear from my wife if I buy the updgrade right away :rolleyes:
If there is not a true benefit to the DFX+ package with the provided modules vs. Aura 2.5b. I probably hold off on the purchase and maintain a happy household. :hmm:
I would defiantly buy, I mean I ordered.
DFX+ is a great compositing tool, I don’t know Aura but it looks to me that Aura is a good paint program (like discreet paint, that’s what I still have) and not the best compositing tool. At least that’s what I read on this forum.
You can download the demo version, not DFX+ but DF4 (the bigger brother) and figure out if you like this tool, there are a few things missing in DFX+ compared to DF4 but still enough for me...
http://www.eyeonline.com/
Chuck Baker
06-18-2003, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by Psyhke
8 bits per channel. (So it's standard 24-bit for the full image)
32-bit, including Alpha channel... :)
8 bits per channel. (So it's standard 24-bit for the full image)
32-bit, including Alpha channel... :)
Psyhke
06-18-2003, 05:03 PM
Ah, yes, the alpha channel... Well, the more bits the merrier I say! :)
Meaty
06-19-2003, 01:51 AM
Well, i started on the courseware that came with it (a great resource it seems) and the program seems pretty cool so far. Great great interface. And even though it doesn't include the Keying Module, it does have bluescreen and alpha abilities. I think the Keying module offers a more advanced (faster?) solution than the standard Chroma Keyer.
Looks like a good investment so far. I'm definatly loving getting into a new program! Wee!
Looks like a good investment so far. I'm definatly loving getting into a new program! Wee!
EsHrA
06-19-2003, 12:27 PM
hello folks :)
I have a question about getting this DFX+ deal.
Im living in Holland and looked at the newtek europe site to find the DFX+ deal/info and resellers in my country.
Both the resellers in Holland have no mention of the DFX+ deal.
Although i havent mailed them yet.
So what would be the best place for me to buy this upgrade?
Maybe CAI systems Germany or ?....
Thanx in advance...
Cheers,
-EsH-
I have a question about getting this DFX+ deal.
Im living in Holland and looked at the newtek europe site to find the DFX+ deal/info and resellers in my country.
Both the resellers in Holland have no mention of the DFX+ deal.
Although i havent mailed them yet.
So what would be the best place for me to buy this upgrade?
Maybe CAI systems Germany or ?....
Thanx in advance...
Cheers,
-EsH-
robinson
06-19-2003, 12:35 PM
I ordered directly from CAI in Germany, and waiting for my package, hope I will get it soon, they mentioned that they are still waiting for the DFX+ packages, so it might take one or two weeks. :cry:
But I think all European resellers are selling this bundle, so you should contact your local reseller !!!
But I think all European resellers are selling this bundle, so you should contact your local reseller !!!
preludian
06-19-2003, 03:23 PM
Hi, in Germany you can try cai and basis1. I mostly buy my stuff from basis1 though, they didn't let me down yet. If you buy from CAI, you get free support included, that's why I bought it from them this time, are nice too, so it's your choice.
EsHrA
06-19-2003, 04:07 PM
i just got a reply from Twintek. a reseller in Holland and quote,
'no, this deal only is available in the US and NOT in europe.
In Europe there is another deal, see link
http://www.twintek.nl/lightwave.html
Greetings,
Twintek'
Hmm...NOT in Europe...? what about CAI Germany...
This Twintek Europe deal is waaay less than the DFX+ deal...hmm..although those DVD's could come in handy:)
Could i order the DFX+ deal from CAI? i guess i could...
I really dont want to miss this DFX+ deal and need a compossiting app anyway!!
Cheers,
-EsH-
ps. why is it that European resellers dont sell the stuff US resellers do...? aaah...the hassle...
'no, this deal only is available in the US and NOT in europe.
In Europe there is another deal, see link
http://www.twintek.nl/lightwave.html
Greetings,
Twintek'
Hmm...NOT in Europe...? what about CAI Germany...
This Twintek Europe deal is waaay less than the DFX+ deal...hmm..although those DVD's could come in handy:)
Could i order the DFX+ deal from CAI? i guess i could...
I really dont want to miss this DFX+ deal and need a compossiting app anyway!!
Cheers,
-EsH-
ps. why is it that European resellers dont sell the stuff US resellers do...? aaah...the hassle...
ghopper
06-19-2003, 04:25 PM
another LW reseller in Europe :
http://www.oneanimation.net/info.asp?product=881
Don't know whether it's cheaper to get it from the German or the UK reseller though.
http://www.oneanimation.net/info.asp?product=881
Don't know whether it's cheaper to get it from the German or the UK reseller though.
EsHrA
06-19-2003, 05:43 PM
ah... www.Clickly.com does sell the DFX+ deal here in Holland...
and takes about a week delivering it :)
Cheers,
-EsH-
and takes about a week delivering it :)
Cheers,
-EsH-
Ayreon
06-19-2003, 08:13 PM
EsHrA: You can't go wrong with Clickly.com. Great company, very reliable! I've ordered Lightwave 7 and Aura 2 from them. Good all these goodies with my order, from t-shirts to clicky thingies, don't know what you call them. Good luck, and enjoy your new purchase!!
Ayreon
Ayreon
Jaspar
06-19-2003, 10:35 PM
Maybe slightly off topic, can anyone tell me whether swapping out a parallel to a USB dongle requires re-registration? I bought into the LW Aura deal, but still have a serial dongle, would it be a relatively painless swap-out? :shrug:
I personally can't resist this offer, but my bank account is screaming in terror with the amount of things that have caught my eye this month (including that very nice looking leather bound Expose book :drool: ).
I really hope this next LW is a solid update, there's no doubting it is and always has been a fantastic app, but there are some infuriating bugs in there. Less new gimmicks, more refinement, please!:hmm:
I personally can't resist this offer, but my bank account is screaming in terror with the amount of things that have caught my eye this month (including that very nice looking leather bound Expose book :drool: ).
I really hope this next LW is a solid update, there's no doubting it is and always has been a fantastic app, but there are some infuriating bugs in there. Less new gimmicks, more refinement, please!:hmm:
Thalaxis
06-20-2003, 08:01 PM
Swapping my parellel LightWave dongle for a USB one was pretty painless. Other than the fact that NewTek is very slow to responde to e-mail registration if you don't smack them a few times (or just bug Paul Lara or Proton or something), re-registering was also fairly painless.
Petrik
06-25-2003, 10:18 AM
What's the story for student licences?
Arte
06-25-2003, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by kleinaa
Hello Meaty,
I currently own Aura 2.5b and am questioning the benefits of moving to DFX+. I am not currently budgeted to buy the extra modules in the near future. The extra value that DFX+ provides needs to offset the nagging I am going to hear from my wife if I buy the updgrade right away :rolleyes:
Noob out
As mentioned Aura is a painter which does compositing too. Fusion is a compositor which also does painting. Neither is good at the other's job:)
Aura is destructive which is it's biggest flaw compositing. Fusion on the other hand allows for tweaks upon tweaks without having to lose anything. Fusion is also capable of handling files renderered with special buffers so post processing is much more powerful for instance you can change UV maps in Fusion or reflections with a minimum of fuss. Try that in Aura:) On the other hand dfx+ doesn't have anything similar to Aura's stencil tools without the keyers so Aura is needed for any real keying, where you can use Aura to create the key and let Fusion apply the key as an alpha channel which is where Fusion eats Aura alive.
Overall you don't need to move app, you just use whichever is suited to a particular task.
Paint and key in Aura.
Tweak and composite in Fusion.
X
Hello Meaty,
I currently own Aura 2.5b and am questioning the benefits of moving to DFX+. I am not currently budgeted to buy the extra modules in the near future. The extra value that DFX+ provides needs to offset the nagging I am going to hear from my wife if I buy the updgrade right away :rolleyes:
Noob out
As mentioned Aura is a painter which does compositing too. Fusion is a compositor which also does painting. Neither is good at the other's job:)
Aura is destructive which is it's biggest flaw compositing. Fusion on the other hand allows for tweaks upon tweaks without having to lose anything. Fusion is also capable of handling files renderered with special buffers so post processing is much more powerful for instance you can change UV maps in Fusion or reflections with a minimum of fuss. Try that in Aura:) On the other hand dfx+ doesn't have anything similar to Aura's stencil tools without the keyers so Aura is needed for any real keying, where you can use Aura to create the key and let Fusion apply the key as an alpha channel which is where Fusion eats Aura alive.
Overall you don't need to move app, you just use whichever is suited to a particular task.
Paint and key in Aura.
Tweak and composite in Fusion.
X
Limbus
06-27-2003, 01:54 PM
I just placed my order. I got my an old LW 5.6 Version on eBay for cheap and now can get LW 8 and DFX+ for a really nice price. I have to thank Newtek for this great offer.
You guys rock! :buttrock:
Florian
You guys rock! :buttrock:
Florian
Thalaxis
06-27-2003, 05:15 PM
I just got my copy of DFX+ a couple of days ago myself. I'm quite impressed -- Eyeon even includes what looks like a fairly extensive amount of training materials, quick start videos, and lots of other stuff on DVD to help get you started.
EsHrA
06-28-2003, 01:56 PM
i just placed my order! weeeeeeeeh :)
Cheers,
-EsH-
Cheers,
-EsH-
zuzzabuzz
06-28-2003, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by Petrik
What's the story for student licences?
I've a student license and I upgraded to LW8 + DFX+. Same price as everyone else, and I think technically I still have the Educational license for LW..but I'm sure I have a commercial license for DFX+.
You might send Newtek sales an email to get a better idea on the student upgrade details. I feel sort of silly spending more for the upgrade than I spent for the edu. package, but am really enjoying DFX+.
What's the story for student licences?
I've a student license and I upgraded to LW8 + DFX+. Same price as everyone else, and I think technically I still have the Educational license for LW..but I'm sure I have a commercial license for DFX+.
You might send Newtek sales an email to get a better idea on the student upgrade details. I feel sort of silly spending more for the upgrade than I spent for the edu. package, but am really enjoying DFX+.
Thalaxis
06-28-2003, 03:53 PM
I only demod DFX, so DFX+ was actually a bit of a surprise when I
installed it and fired it up... but a pleasant one :)
Also, I've not had time to go through the lot of them, but I'm
pretty impressed with the training materials so far!
installed it and fired it up... but a pleasant one :)
Also, I've not had time to go through the lot of them, but I'm
pretty impressed with the training materials so far!
Psyhke
06-28-2003, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by zuzzabuzz
I've a student license and I upgraded to LW8 + DFX+. Same price as everyone else, and I think technically I still have the Educational license for LW..but I'm sure I have a commercial license for DFX+.
Umm.. I think you now have a full commercial license. :thumbsup: (If I'm remembering correctly what I've heard said about how that works.)
I've a student license and I upgraded to LW8 + DFX+. Same price as everyone else, and I think technically I still have the Educational license for LW..but I'm sure I have a commercial license for DFX+.
Umm.. I think you now have a full commercial license. :thumbsup: (If I'm remembering correctly what I've heard said about how that works.)
Petrik
06-28-2003, 08:51 PM
Well I only just got my student licence which put my debt with the bank up to maximum and had my wife threaten me with divorce so I'd like to think I'm at least going to be able to get the 8 upgrade when it comes out.
NanoGator
06-28-2003, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by Petrik
Well I only just got my student licence which put my debt with the bank up to maximum and had my wife threaten me with divorce so I'd like to think I'm at least going to be able to get the 8 upgrade when it comes out.
At least you can tell her LW's something you can make a career with. I know somebody who's bf spent their money on a Playstation 2 and a few games, forcing her to borrow money from her mom... again. Heh.
Well I only just got my student licence which put my debt with the bank up to maximum and had my wife threaten me with divorce so I'd like to think I'm at least going to be able to get the 8 upgrade when it comes out.
At least you can tell her LW's something you can make a career with. I know somebody who's bf spent their money on a Playstation 2 and a few games, forcing her to borrow money from her mom... again. Heh.
powerwave3d
06-28-2003, 11:14 PM
Well, it took me all month to finally take the plunge... I just placed my order... Hopefully I'll be seeing one of them black boxes on my desk here soon:)
It took some creative thinking and explaining on my part to convince the wife.
Waiting for the brown truck...
It took some creative thinking and explaining on my part to convince the wife.
Waiting for the brown truck...
dragonfollower
06-28-2003, 11:25 PM
OK, well I placed my order. Now I have a working setup (new computer, Messiah, and when it arrives, LW+DFX) and can now begin using my money for "responsible things" like a car (sigh). Oh well, I guess it's time I grew up. But the cool thing is that I've been trying to get to this point (having LW and my own setup) since '97. Just this year I finally finished school and got a 3D job that would enable me to make my dreams come true. So whoohoo for me! Anyway...
-Brian
-Brian
jmcalpin
06-29-2003, 04:38 AM
I always seem to get lightwave in the middle of their deals...
I first got it when it was $1000 and came with Aura then got this one with DFX+ so at this rate I'll have a full production company worth of software by the time I reach LW 10...
:)
j
I first got it when it was $1000 and came with Aura then got this one with DFX+ so at this rate I'll have a full production company worth of software by the time I reach LW 10...
:)
j
jrsunshine
06-29-2003, 04:44 AM
I ordered and recieved mine. Very very very happy with DFX+. Also, eyeon is going to promote a special price for the rest of the modules in honor of SIGRAPH. Woo Hoo!!!
mr_nebel
06-29-2003, 04:53 AM
I just ordered my copy of 7.5 + DFX+ and upgrade to 8, I actually thought I had another month but luckily I found a place that will ship to new zealand :applause:
preludian
06-29-2003, 11:02 AM
BTW did any european already receive dfx+?? Is NT Europe already delivering?? Have they received the packages??
I hate waiting :hmm:
I hate waiting :hmm:
T4D
06-29-2003, 12:18 PM
Mine should be here in the morning =)
But why wait if Lightwave 7.5 helps pay the bills now
LW 8 will do the same, DFX+ is a great partner to LW
and when LW 8 comes out there's always the Free LW8.0x & LW 8.5 updates =)
the Luxology vs Newtek thing is interesting
but Newtek has always offered free software when paying
before the major update is released, so why worry ?
and you don't get the free softwre if you wait
Lux hasn't shown anything really yet, and i doubt they will do
anything nasty to the LW8 owners even maybe the opposite
cross grade would be cheaper for LW8 owners. ( seeing they have no problem paying for updates )
in the worst case I paid $1099 aussie dollars for DFX+ and 2 updates to my Lightwave ( LW 8.0 & LW8.5 )
even if 8.0 if buggy i got DFX+ cheaper then the list price and i get a chance to send Newtek evil emails everyday the untill the next update and just use this fine LW7.5c i got :buttrock:
win win as i see it :beer:
But why wait if Lightwave 7.5 helps pay the bills now
LW 8 will do the same, DFX+ is a great partner to LW
and when LW 8 comes out there's always the Free LW8.0x & LW 8.5 updates =)
the Luxology vs Newtek thing is interesting
but Newtek has always offered free software when paying
before the major update is released, so why worry ?
and you don't get the free softwre if you wait
Lux hasn't shown anything really yet, and i doubt they will do
anything nasty to the LW8 owners even maybe the opposite
cross grade would be cheaper for LW8 owners. ( seeing they have no problem paying for updates )
in the worst case I paid $1099 aussie dollars for DFX+ and 2 updates to my Lightwave ( LW 8.0 & LW8.5 )
even if 8.0 if buggy i got DFX+ cheaper then the list price and i get a chance to send Newtek evil emails everyday the untill the next update and just use this fine LW7.5c i got :buttrock:
win win as i see it :beer:
jmcalpin
06-29-2003, 01:37 PM
It looks like Lux is making plugins or something that will work with lightwave so I wont worry about that.
Chuck Baker
06-29-2003, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by zuzzabuzz
I've a student license and I upgraded to LW8 + DFX+. Same price as everyone else, and I think technically I still have the Educational license for LW...
If you paid the $495 upgrade price, you have upgraded to a commercial license. So far as I know, we are not offering DFX+ with educational purchases, whether full seat or upgrade, but you could query sales@newtek.com to be sure.
I've a student license and I upgraded to LW8 + DFX+. Same price as everyone else, and I think technically I still have the Educational license for LW...
If you paid the $495 upgrade price, you have upgraded to a commercial license. So far as I know, we are not offering DFX+ with educational purchases, whether full seat or upgrade, but you could query sales@newtek.com to be sure.
Psyhke
07-01-2003, 01:22 AM
Finally got my order in on the last day of the deal. (Unless they extend it longer now. :D ) Looks like at least 50 people got in on the deal, according to this poll, so there should at least be some others out there to answer my compositing questions. Cheers to all us new DFX owners. :beer:
T4D
07-01-2003, 02:20 AM
got mine too !!!
it a great package my After effect will be sitting the next few rounds out.
if you havn't got it:p
it a great package my After effect will be sitting the next few rounds out.
if you havn't got it:p
zuzzabuzz
07-01-2003, 04:13 AM
Originally posted by Chuck Baker
If you paid the $495 upgrade price, you have upgraded to a commercial license. So far as I know, we are not offering DFX+ with educational purchases, whether full seat or upgrade, but you could query sales@newtek.com to be sure.
Good to know...but a moot point at the moment. If a chance to do some commercial work comes up, i'll verify.
Thanks, :thumbsup:
If you paid the $495 upgrade price, you have upgraded to a commercial license. So far as I know, we are not offering DFX+ with educational purchases, whether full seat or upgrade, but you could query sales@newtek.com to be sure.
Good to know...but a moot point at the moment. If a chance to do some commercial work comes up, i'll verify.
Thanks, :thumbsup:
W Wade
07-01-2003, 06:40 AM
Upgraded one of three copies I hold. I am in for an upgrade to 8 no matter what so might as well take advantage of the dxf+ freebee.
Wade
Wade
comanche
07-01-2003, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by preludian
BTW did any european already receive dfx+?? Is NT Europe already delivering?? Have they received the packages??
I hate waiting :hmm:
My copy arrived on Saturday, 28th :p
BTW did any european already receive dfx+?? Is NT Europe already delivering?? Have they received the packages??
I hate waiting :hmm:
My copy arrived on Saturday, 28th :p
EsHrA
07-01-2003, 01:08 PM
my copy will be in end this week. i ordered from Clickly.com
:)
Cheers,
-EsH-
:)
Cheers,
-EsH-
Bytehawk
07-01-2003, 04:05 PM
if 1/3 of the LW community have already paid for the upgrade like the poll suggests, then the NT people will be a very happy bunch at siggraph.
Imagine Proton saying: this is a preview of LW8, it rocks so hard 1/3 of our existing users already ordered the upgrade and it aint even finished !
Imagine Proton saying: this is a preview of LW8, it rocks so hard 1/3 of our existing users already ordered the upgrade and it aint even finished !
Chuck Baker
07-01-2003, 05:19 PM
The Web team will be taking down the LW/DFX+ specials page in a couple of hours, but until then we are still accepting orders...
http://www.newtek.com/buynow/software/lightwave+dfx.html
http://www.newtek.com/buynow/software/lightwave+dfx.html
jmcalpin
07-01-2003, 05:28 PM
Chuck,
Will we get cds mailed to us when 8 comes out or are we just downloading the update.
If we ARE just downloading will any new cd content files also be put up as well?
J
Will we get cds mailed to us when 8 comes out or are we just downloading the update.
If we ARE just downloading will any new cd content files also be put up as well?
J
rock
07-01-2003, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by Bytehawk
if 1/3 of the LW community have already paid for the upgrade like the poll suggests, then the NT people will be a very happy bunch at siggraph.
Imagine Proton saying: this is a preview of LW8, it rocks so hard 1/3 of our existing users already ordered the upgrade and it aint even finished !
... [Imagine Proton continuing..] and it will be released in the First Quarter and possibly the second quarter of 2004. We will also be announcing LW 9 next week and it will be due in the third quarter of 2007. So order LW 9 today and we will put a couple of Splinegod dvd for half price :)
On a more serious note, I don't know if I have seen any initial product announcement so far away from the actual released date. Is this a normal practice?
if 1/3 of the LW community have already paid for the upgrade like the poll suggests, then the NT people will be a very happy bunch at siggraph.
Imagine Proton saying: this is a preview of LW8, it rocks so hard 1/3 of our existing users already ordered the upgrade and it aint even finished !
... [Imagine Proton continuing..] and it will be released in the First Quarter and possibly the second quarter of 2004. We will also be announcing LW 9 next week and it will be due in the third quarter of 2007. So order LW 9 today and we will put a couple of Splinegod dvd for half price :)
On a more serious note, I don't know if I have seen any initial product announcement so far away from the actual released date. Is this a normal practice?
Chuck Baker
07-01-2003, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by jmcalpin
Chuck,
Will we get cds mailed to us when 8 comes out or are we just downloading the update.
If we ARE just downloading will any new cd content files also be put up as well?
Complete information is here:
http://www.newtek.com/news/releases/06-03-03a.html
and as described in the press release the LightWave update will be electronic, most likely a download. We are planning for a new content set for LW [8]; I don't know for sure if that will also be downloadable, but that's the most likely event.
Chuck,
Will we get cds mailed to us when 8 comes out or are we just downloading the update.
If we ARE just downloading will any new cd content files also be put up as well?
Complete information is here:
http://www.newtek.com/news/releases/06-03-03a.html
and as described in the press release the LightWave update will be electronic, most likely a download. We are planning for a new content set for LW [8]; I don't know for sure if that will also be downloadable, but that's the most likely event.
Chuck Baker
07-01-2003, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by rock
... [Imagine Proton continuing..] and it will be released in the First Quarter and possibly the second quarter of 2004. We will also be announcing LW 9 next week and it will be due in the third quarter of 2007. So order LW 9 today and we will put a couple of Splinegod dvd for half price :)
On a more serious note, I don't know if I have seen any initial product announcement so far away from the actual released date. Is this a normal practice?
We've announced a preview of LightWave [8] at SIGGRAPH and that we expect to ship in the fourth quarter of this year. That's not the furthest in advance we've announced an update or product, but it is something of a departure from the last few years, when we've tended not to announce an update until we actually shipped it. This is by no means a record for advance announcements - some companies have announced things at times more than two years in advance of expected ship dates.
... [Imagine Proton continuing..] and it will be released in the First Quarter and possibly the second quarter of 2004. We will also be announcing LW 9 next week and it will be due in the third quarter of 2007. So order LW 9 today and we will put a couple of Splinegod dvd for half price :)
On a more serious note, I don't know if I have seen any initial product announcement so far away from the actual released date. Is this a normal practice?
We've announced a preview of LightWave [8] at SIGGRAPH and that we expect to ship in the fourth quarter of this year. That's not the furthest in advance we've announced an update or product, but it is something of a departure from the last few years, when we've tended not to announce an update until we actually shipped it. This is by no means a record for advance announcements - some companies have announced things at times more than two years in advance of expected ship dates.
Arte
07-01-2003, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by Chuck Baker
This is by no means a record for advance announcements - some companies have announced things at times more than two years in advance of expected ship dates.
Not some companies. Your company...
Newtek is more than likely *still* the company with the longest running vapour product to ever ship:)
X
This is by no means a record for advance announcements - some companies have announced things at times more than two years in advance of expected ship dates.
Not some companies. Your company...
Newtek is more than likely *still* the company with the longest running vapour product to ever ship:)
X
Stone
07-01-2003, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by Arte
Not some companies. Your company...
Newtek is more than likely *still* the company with the longest running vapour product to ever ship:)
well thats not exactly true since newtek have always delivered so far.
heh, i think duke forever might hold the throne.
/stone
Not some companies. Your company...
Newtek is more than likely *still* the company with the longest running vapour product to ever ship:)
well thats not exactly true since newtek have always delivered so far.
heh, i think duke forever might hold the throne.
/stone
Thalaxis
07-02-2003, 01:03 AM
Anyone remember how long it took for EI to release EIM? How
many times they sent Paul Babb out to tell the customers that it
was shipping in two weeks?
many times they sent Paul Babb out to tell the customers that it
was shipping in two weeks?
Thalaxis
07-02-2003, 01:04 AM
Anyone remember how long it took for EI to release EIM? How
many times they sent Paul Babb out to tell the customers that it
was shipping in two weeks?
NewTek's had some problems with QA, but at least they do
deliver, and fix what's broken as quickly as they can... now let's
see if they can get their QA act together the first time, this time
:)
many times they sent Paul Babb out to tell the customers that it
was shipping in two weeks?
NewTek's had some problems with QA, but at least they do
deliver, and fix what's broken as quickly as they can... now let's
see if they can get their QA act together the first time, this time
:)
takkun
07-02-2003, 04:06 AM
Originally posted by rock
... [Imagine Proton continuing..] and it will be released in the First Quarter and possibly the second quarter of 2004. We will also be announcing LW 9 next week and it will be due in the third quarter of 2007. So order LW 9 today and we will put a couple of Splinegod dvd for half price :) Geez, what's with all the Maya trolls giving Chuck a hard time? This is the reason cool artists like Policarpo left this forum.
... [Imagine Proton continuing..] and it will be released in the First Quarter and possibly the second quarter of 2004. We will also be announcing LW 9 next week and it will be due in the third quarter of 2007. So order LW 9 today and we will put a couple of Splinegod dvd for half price :) Geez, what's with all the Maya trolls giving Chuck a hard time? This is the reason cool artists like Policarpo left this forum.
RobertoOrtiz
07-02-2003, 04:16 AM
I agree 100% with takkun. Newtek has been a good company with their customers.
-R
-R
lwbob
07-02-2003, 04:22 AM
Policarpo hasn't left. Even at the time of the big boo hoo I'm leaving, he was trolling as much as anyone. He even is starting crap on the NewTek forums from what friends say.
takkun
07-02-2003, 04:30 AM
Originally posted by lwbob
Policarpo hasn't left. Even at the time of the big boo hoo I'm leaving, he was trolling as much as anyone. When I said "left", I meant he doesn't post anymore in the Lightwave forum here at CGtalk. And I wouldn't say that he was trolling here, to me, trolling means posting comments that are phrased in such a way to anger as many people as possible. Poli's comments never had such negative motives.
Policarpo hasn't left. Even at the time of the big boo hoo I'm leaving, he was trolling as much as anyone. When I said "left", I meant he doesn't post anymore in the Lightwave forum here at CGtalk. And I wouldn't say that he was trolling here, to me, trolling means posting comments that are phrased in such a way to anger as many people as possible. Poli's comments never had such negative motives.
lwbob
07-02-2003, 05:00 AM
I guess you haven't see most of his posts before he "left" check out ANY (pre-"I'm leaving") luxology thread he posts in for a start. His posts were as nasty as anyone else here.
rock
07-02-2003, 05:30 AM
Originally posted by takkun
Geez, what's with all the Maya trolls giving Chuck a hard time? This is the reason cool artists like Policarpo left this forum.
I don't think I am a troll, a troller or a troli. I just post as I see them - because I have been misinformed about Maya in times past. If I mention something great about Maya and be classified as a troll, then I guess I am a troll - no more or less when Policarpo or anyone else mentioned how great MotionBuilder is.
Maybe Policarpo left because someone calls him a troll when he begins to post how wonderful MotionBuilder is.
Geez, what's with all the Maya trolls giving Chuck a hard time? This is the reason cool artists like Policarpo left this forum.
I don't think I am a troll, a troller or a troli. I just post as I see them - because I have been misinformed about Maya in times past. If I mention something great about Maya and be classified as a troll, then I guess I am a troll - no more or less when Policarpo or anyone else mentioned how great MotionBuilder is.
Maybe Policarpo left because someone calls him a troll when he begins to post how wonderful MotionBuilder is.
T4D
07-02-2003, 06:09 AM
Motion builder is pretty cool :beer:
maybe LW 8 will have some of that
, in NT's the press release says character animation Improvement :drool:
maybe it's just a wish :hmm:
maybe LW 8 will have some of that
, in NT's the press release says character animation Improvement :drool:
maybe it's just a wish :hmm:
rnb2
07-02-2003, 06:40 AM
Well, I bit the bullet and went for the deal, primarily because I'm still on 6.5 - couldn't really pass up 2 upgrades + DFX for the price.
However, not sure when I'm going to receive my package - Safe Harbor says they're waiting for Newtek to ship the DFX packages, and that Newtek is waiting for Eyeon. Unfortunately, even though the LW upgrade is electronic, Safe Harbor can't let me have it (or the means to get it) until they ship out the DFX package.
Chuck, any idea what timeframe we're looking at here?
However, not sure when I'm going to receive my package - Safe Harbor says they're waiting for Newtek to ship the DFX packages, and that Newtek is waiting for Eyeon. Unfortunately, even though the LW upgrade is electronic, Safe Harbor can't let me have it (or the means to get it) until they ship out the DFX package.
Chuck, any idea what timeframe we're looking at here?
Arte
07-02-2003, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by StonePXD
well thats not exactly true since newtek have always delivered so far.
heh, i think duke forever might hold the throne.
/stone
The longest vapour product cycle I referred to is for the original Toaster.
As for delivering, lemme just boot up my Pal Toaster:)
X
well thats not exactly true since newtek have always delivered so far.
heh, i think duke forever might hold the throne.
/stone
The longest vapour product cycle I referred to is for the original Toaster.
As for delivering, lemme just boot up my Pal Toaster:)
X
Bytehawk
07-02-2003, 12:05 PM
I just woke up this morning and noticed the replies to my [imagine proton] post.
Just for the record I didn't mean it in any negative way at all.
I actually shows how many people trust NT to deliver. Me included!
Just for the record I didn't mean it in any negative way at all.
I actually shows how many people trust NT to deliver. Me included!
Chuck Baker
07-02-2003, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by Arte
The longest vapour product cycle I referred to is for the original Toaster.
As for delivering, lemme just boot up my Pal Toaster:)
X
Yes, "some" companies because plenty of companies have had as long and longer in terms of time between announcing and delivering a product or update. We don't hold the record by any means, and there have been PAL VT's for several years now. We weren't able to go to PAL with the original Amiga VT because some of the key video chips involved, which had been announced by the manufacturer as being planned for NTSC versions and PAL versions, were subsequently only delivered in NTSC versions. In designing the Windows-platform VT we made sure that we wouldn't get stung that way a second time, and have thus had PAL and NTSC available from the Frame Factory days forward. In fact, since last year every VT ships as dual-standard NTSC/PAL.
The longest vapour product cycle I referred to is for the original Toaster.
As for delivering, lemme just boot up my Pal Toaster:)
X
Yes, "some" companies because plenty of companies have had as long and longer in terms of time between announcing and delivering a product or update. We don't hold the record by any means, and there have been PAL VT's for several years now. We weren't able to go to PAL with the original Amiga VT because some of the key video chips involved, which had been announced by the manufacturer as being planned for NTSC versions and PAL versions, were subsequently only delivered in NTSC versions. In designing the Windows-platform VT we made sure that we wouldn't get stung that way a second time, and have thus had PAL and NTSC available from the Frame Factory days forward. In fact, since last year every VT ships as dual-standard NTSC/PAL.
jrsunshine
07-02-2003, 02:46 PM
Chuck,
First, let me say that NewTek has provided more value to my Lightwave purchase than any competitor in my digital toolbox. I know some people get caught in the middle of good and bad upgrade cycles, but NewTek continues to shine in my opinion.
Now that you have been properly buttered up:
I know you cannot release any info other than what your press release states, but will Newtek release further details on Lightwave 8 at SIGGRAPH (ie: specific features, maybe a suprise or two)?
Thanks again,
Roy
First, let me say that NewTek has provided more value to my Lightwave purchase than any competitor in my digital toolbox. I know some people get caught in the middle of good and bad upgrade cycles, but NewTek continues to shine in my opinion.
Now that you have been properly buttered up:
I know you cannot release any info other than what your press release states, but will Newtek release further details on Lightwave 8 at SIGGRAPH (ie: specific features, maybe a suprise or two)?
Thanks again,
Roy
ChrisS
07-02-2003, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by rnb2
Well, I bit the bullet and went for the deal, primarily because I'm still on 6.5 - couldn't really pass up 2 upgrades + DFX for the price.
However, not sure when I'm going to receive my package - Safe Harbor says they're waiting for Newtek to ship the DFX packages, and that Newtek is waiting for Eyeon. Unfortunately, even though the LW upgrade is electronic, Safe Harbor can't let me have it (or the means to get it) until they ship out the DFX package.
Chuck, any idea what timeframe we're looking at here?
From what Safe Harbor told me via e-mail, if you're buying the 7.5 upgrade from them you get the full package, not a download. The upgrade to 8 will be a download.
Well, I bit the bullet and went for the deal, primarily because I'm still on 6.5 - couldn't really pass up 2 upgrades + DFX for the price.
However, not sure when I'm going to receive my package - Safe Harbor says they're waiting for Newtek to ship the DFX packages, and that Newtek is waiting for Eyeon. Unfortunately, even though the LW upgrade is electronic, Safe Harbor can't let me have it (or the means to get it) until they ship out the DFX package.
Chuck, any idea what timeframe we're looking at here?
From what Safe Harbor told me via e-mail, if you're buying the 7.5 upgrade from them you get the full package, not a download. The upgrade to 8 will be a download.
Arte
07-02-2003, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by Chuck Baker
Yes, "some" companies because plenty of companies have had as long and longer in terms of time between announcing and delivering a product or update. We don't hold the record by any means, and there have been PAL VT's for several years now. We weren't able to go to PAL with the original Amiga VT because some of the key video chips involved, which had been announced by the manufacturer as being planned for NTSC versions and PAL versions, were subsequently only delivered in NTSC versions. In designing the Windows-platform VT we made sure that we wouldn't get stung that way a second time, and have thus had PAL and NTSC available from the Frame Factory days forward. In fact, since last year every VT ships as dual-standard NTSC/PAL.
Lol, hi Chuck.
Not sure if your record really was broken as that would call for a fair amount of research.
As a VT2 owner in a pal market, you're informing a user, which is why I said Toaster, not ToasterNT or Toaster2/3:) Lovely isn't it?
As for the Pal Toaster, that Sony sucks huh:) Well, I'd say you still have some of the situation there by going Altera. But then you have to use something.
X
Yes, "some" companies because plenty of companies have had as long and longer in terms of time between announcing and delivering a product or update. We don't hold the record by any means, and there have been PAL VT's for several years now. We weren't able to go to PAL with the original Amiga VT because some of the key video chips involved, which had been announced by the manufacturer as being planned for NTSC versions and PAL versions, were subsequently only delivered in NTSC versions. In designing the Windows-platform VT we made sure that we wouldn't get stung that way a second time, and have thus had PAL and NTSC available from the Frame Factory days forward. In fact, since last year every VT ships as dual-standard NTSC/PAL.
Lol, hi Chuck.
Not sure if your record really was broken as that would call for a fair amount of research.
As a VT2 owner in a pal market, you're informing a user, which is why I said Toaster, not ToasterNT or Toaster2/3:) Lovely isn't it?
As for the Pal Toaster, that Sony sucks huh:) Well, I'd say you still have some of the situation there by going Altera. But then you have to use something.
X
dragonfollower
07-02-2003, 07:07 PM
Wow ChrisS, I hope you're right.
I'd feel a bit jipped not getting the full package. Personally, I'd rather get the CD, manual and NO DFX+ software rather than the DFX+ software and an electronic version of 7.5.
I bought the upgrade a few days ago and was under the impression I'd be getting the full deal. If I'd known it would be an electronic upgrade I would have gone for the cheaper $399 Academic to commercial upgrade that Safe Harbor offers instead just so I could get the book and CD.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I think the DFX+ deal is great. But I'd like to get a physical version of LW first and foremost.
-Brian
I'd feel a bit jipped not getting the full package. Personally, I'd rather get the CD, manual and NO DFX+ software rather than the DFX+ software and an electronic version of 7.5.
I bought the upgrade a few days ago and was under the impression I'd be getting the full deal. If I'd known it would be an electronic upgrade I would have gone for the cheaper $399 Academic to commercial upgrade that Safe Harbor offers instead just so I could get the book and CD.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I think the DFX+ deal is great. But I'd like to get a physical version of LW first and foremost.
-Brian
NanoGator
07-02-2003, 07:19 PM
I personally prefer the digital version of LW. I have different reasons, though.
Newtek's got it set up so that LW runs in demo mode unless you've got a dongle. I've got a dongle so I don't have to worry about that, right? So as long as Newtek's giving away the demo version, than I can always get it from somewhere. I'd rather have it readilyi available for download than have a CD to keep track of.
We have two different opinions on this, I'm not trying to convince you that you're wrong and I'm right. I would like you to consider the upside, though. I hate waiting for packages in the mail when i can get an email saying "download starts when you click here". Silver lining and all. :)
Newtek's got it set up so that LW runs in demo mode unless you've got a dongle. I've got a dongle so I don't have to worry about that, right? So as long as Newtek's giving away the demo version, than I can always get it from somewhere. I'd rather have it readilyi available for download than have a CD to keep track of.
We have two different opinions on this, I'm not trying to convince you that you're wrong and I'm right. I would like you to consider the upside, though. I hate waiting for packages in the mail when i can get an email saying "download starts when you click here". Silver lining and all. :)
ChrisS
07-02-2003, 07:22 PM
Just wish I had a way to download.
I can't get into NewTek's FTP site from work, and I'm limited to a modem at home. :annoyed:
Besides, nothing like getting boxes of manuals and other goodies! :thumbsup:
I can't get into NewTek's FTP site from work, and I'm limited to a modem at home. :annoyed:
Besides, nothing like getting boxes of manuals and other goodies! :thumbsup:
dragonfollower
07-02-2003, 08:02 PM
Yeah Nanogator, I can see the benefits to that as well.
I guess I'm just the kind of person that likes to have a physical object for the money I've spent. Plus, I'm with ChrisS in that it's cool to get the box and goodies. I've been trying to own the full version of LW for years, literally. I finally have the money and so I'd personally really like to get the full thing so I can feel like I own it. Don't know quite how to explain it, it's just a personal ecentricity.
-Brian
I guess I'm just the kind of person that likes to have a physical object for the money I've spent. Plus, I'm with ChrisS in that it's cool to get the box and goodies. I've been trying to own the full version of LW for years, literally. I finally have the money and so I'd personally really like to get the full thing so I can feel like I own it. Don't know quite how to explain it, it's just a personal ecentricity.
-Brian
Chuck Baker
07-02-2003, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by Arte
Lol, hi Chuck.
Not sure if your record really was broken as that would call for a fair amount of research.
Not really. :)
After all, in the case of the PAL Amiga VT, we made it clear that was not deliverable (and why) quite some time ago; and I'm not sure we ever formally promised it (press release, etc.) so not only is the clock not still ticking, but I'm not sure it ever started. However, we probably did make informal promises, so in that case the clock did perhaps start. But then if the clock had started, it still stopped without setting a record, I'm sure, since I can think of quite a few companies still around from the early 80s who announced products they never shipped, and never subsequently made an announcement that they wouldn't ship.
Why does the line "It clearly can't be in the cup in front of you..." come to mind after that paragraph? ;)
As a VT2 owner in a pal market, you're informing a user, which is why I said Toaster, not ToasterNT or Toaster2/3 Lovely isn't it?
LOL! Of course... ;)
As for the Pal Toaster, that Sony sucks huh? Well, I'd say you still have some of the situation there by going Altera. But then you have to use something.
We're using a type of Sony video chips on the new VT; the Altera is a big PLA that does the same duty as the suite of (then) big PLAs on the original Amiga VT - creating virtual custom chips and holding the operating system for the card, making both updateable in software.
Lol, hi Chuck.
Not sure if your record really was broken as that would call for a fair amount of research.
Not really. :)
After all, in the case of the PAL Amiga VT, we made it clear that was not deliverable (and why) quite some time ago; and I'm not sure we ever formally promised it (press release, etc.) so not only is the clock not still ticking, but I'm not sure it ever started. However, we probably did make informal promises, so in that case the clock did perhaps start. But then if the clock had started, it still stopped without setting a record, I'm sure, since I can think of quite a few companies still around from the early 80s who announced products they never shipped, and never subsequently made an announcement that they wouldn't ship.
Why does the line "It clearly can't be in the cup in front of you..." come to mind after that paragraph? ;)
As a VT2 owner in a pal market, you're informing a user, which is why I said Toaster, not ToasterNT or Toaster2/3 Lovely isn't it?
LOL! Of course... ;)
As for the Pal Toaster, that Sony sucks huh? Well, I'd say you still have some of the situation there by going Altera. But then you have to use something.
We're using a type of Sony video chips on the new VT; the Altera is a big PLA that does the same duty as the suite of (then) big PLAs on the original Amiga VT - creating virtual custom chips and holding the operating system for the card, making both updateable in software.
ages
07-03-2003, 08:28 AM
Will any other Newtek apps come to osx? Im sure theres room for Toaster to work with FCP. Shake is too high end to get into..Costs too much.
Badllarma
07-03-2003, 04:19 PM
Yup ordered mine as well deal just to good to be true also was told last year the character animation side of things will kick arse.
this time round at a VT day last year.
this time round at a VT day last year.
Triple G
07-03-2003, 04:38 PM
Am I the only one that noticed that this deal, which was supposed to expire at the end of June, is still going on and it's now 12 noon EDT on July 3rd? :surprised
Limbus
07-03-2003, 04:58 PM
I just noticed the LW and DFX+ Deal banner on cgtalk today. It leads to the ordering page on www.newtek.com.
Florian
Florian
jmcalpin
07-03-2003, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by rock
...
On a more serious note, I don't know if I have seen any initial product announcement so far away from the actual released date. Is this a normal practice?
You don't follow may pc games do you :)
serisously I've read about doom three and even halo back 3-4 years before they appeared then it took another year for it to actually ship (doom 3 is still a tease :annoyed: )
Oh and lets not forget Nendo 2 and Mirai 1.5... they've been rumors since...well... like forever... I remember them saying... it's coming... for atleast the past 6 or more years it seems.
My numbers are probably off.
so yeah it isn't uncommon
Jason
...
On a more serious note, I don't know if I have seen any initial product announcement so far away from the actual released date. Is this a normal practice?
You don't follow may pc games do you :)
serisously I've read about doom three and even halo back 3-4 years before they appeared then it took another year for it to actually ship (doom 3 is still a tease :annoyed: )
Oh and lets not forget Nendo 2 and Mirai 1.5... they've been rumors since...well... like forever... I remember them saying... it's coming... for atleast the past 6 or more years it seems.
My numbers are probably off.
so yeah it isn't uncommon
Jason
Signal2Noise
07-03-2003, 11:48 PM
Holy crap!
That special offer (http://www.newtek.com/buynow/software/lightwave+dfx.html) and free upgrade to [8] is really tempting me to get on the LW bandwagon!
I gotta check into the Canadian pricing equivalent...
That special offer (http://www.newtek.com/buynow/software/lightwave+dfx.html) and free upgrade to [8] is really tempting me to get on the LW bandwagon!
I gotta check into the Canadian pricing equivalent...
Hullbr3ach
07-13-2003, 04:26 PM
I will not preorder until two things are clarified:
1. A full unrestricted native (read 'not Wine') version of Lightwave for Linux.
2. A more or less complete rewrite of LW WITH proper undos.
1. A full unrestricted native (read 'not Wine') version of Lightwave for Linux.
2. A more or less complete rewrite of LW WITH proper undos.
RobertoOrtiz
07-14-2003, 05:32 PM
1. Hullbr3ach good luck with the Linux port... At least we got the Linux reder node.
2. The multiple undos in Layout is something that it is hard not to agree with....
Either way, the offer is VERY sweet. Your should look into it.
-R
2. The multiple undos in Layout is something that it is hard not to agree with....
Either way, the offer is VERY sweet. Your should look into it.
-R
Limbus
07-14-2003, 05:45 PM
A Linux version would be very sweet. :wip:
Florian
Florian
Mazer
07-14-2003, 06:03 PM
Not do do a linux vertion would be a very big mistake... The R&D for that shouldn't be that mutch dificult/expenssive and Linux is more and more a choice in many studios from big ones to one men studios...
Plus lightwave is not based on directx and as a past as multy platform.
Digital fusion for instance is making the right move...
Plus lightwave is not based on directx and as a past as multy platform.
Digital fusion for instance is making the right move...
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