Cinematic Game Icon - character/vehicle/enviroment - akocan

[Nicodemia]

Theres no need to be nervous, i'm pretty sure that we all just do these competitions because we learn a lot and most importantly because they are fun. So tip of the day is 'enjoy yourself'. Welcome aboard! :thumbsup:

[akocan]

Okay now.. Here I did some sketches of
Balle girl Drilly and Pizzaboy Mcmaniman

Any suggestions? Can't decide..

By the way, this will be a platfrom game. jumping, shooting, winning ;)

http://www.azizk.com/cgtalk/drilly.jpg

http://www.azizk.com/cgtalk/mcmaniman.jpg

[akocan]

Hello everyone. didn't get any feedback but I made my choice. I'll go with the pizza boy because it will be easier to model him since you know, I'm a newbie.

so, I'll start modelling today. and see how this will all go....

bye for now. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Clanger]

Having problems seeing the pics here. The first attempt I got to see the top half of each pic only before it just stopped downloading completely, now I just get broken links.

[chucy©]

i can´t see anything, too

just attach ur images by uploading it to cgtalk

[DimitrisLiatsos]

:bounce: I can't see the last posted pics...maybe try another uploading area!!!

[Nicodemia]

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:
ME NO CAN SEE! DIS VERY BAD! I ONLY SEE 1ST PIZZABOY. I LIKE VERY MUCH.

[akocan]

Hi once more..
Can you see the pictures I am posting? :annoyed:
If you can't, can anyone help me with hosting or so? Cause I am uploading it to different places but I don't know why they can't be seen....

Anyways, starting with the charachter today...
Need feedback tough..

Have a nice day everyone..
sincerely :bounce: :bounce:

[akocan]

Oh, a good solution!!!

Hi once more!
I've heard from many people that the images i've been posting were not seen on the forum. So I deleted all those posts and figured out a way.. The quality is not good but I could make them less then 20 kb...

So here they are.. first the sketches...

[akocan]

here comes drilly:

[akocan]

I then decided to go with mcmaniman, the pizzaboy! so I started with his pizza...
the easiest ;) like I told you, I'm a newbie...

Today I might add another pic. I'll start head modelling but we'll see..

Anyways,
sincerely

[Kozlow]

Great Akocan :thumbsup: thats a kind of char that i realy like. Very nice concept waiting for some modeling samples:)
Take care and good luck
Kamil:thumbsup: :wavey:

[akocan]

Thank you very much Jelwa..
Though don't put all your hopes on my modelling;) You might not get what you expect.. You might not get less then what you expect.. So don't expect I'd say ;) Don't you see the pizza? A wheel would be less solid....

Sincerely:scream:

[Kozlow]

Pizza looks good, the easyiest solutions can work better then complicated ones.
Choose the best method for your modeling and start working. :beer: We all lern from each other so let us see your stuff.
Take care
Kamil:bounce: :thumbsup: :beer:

[akocan]

Hi everyone. today I could get to the head modelling.

:buttrock: :buttrock: thank you Jelwa for your support..

I drew a left and a front picture and used them as guidlines. This is what came up. I guess I'll have to add much more detail.

Sincerely

[akocan]

here's a better quality head.. sorry for the qualities but you know the problems with the internet. no one can see if I don't use this quality pics..

So long...

[Aearon]

man i like your drawing style a lot, but it's veery hard to transfer to 3D :shrug:

i'm sure you can make it though :thumbsup:

[akocan]

hello fist. thank you for your thoughts about my drawings. actually the drawings are just drafts. I mean I don't expect to do them exactly because they are too free. probably a very experienced modeller would have a hard time modelling the exact same thing that I drew.. so I try to make something similar to that..

Thanks...
Sincerely:bounce: :bounce:

[DimitrisLiatsos]

:bounce: Hi...some thoughts...come down to low resolution on your model and try to make the holes for the eyes and details u want to give to the nose and mouth..Don't look at a smoothed version of what u do...not yet...u must be happuy first with what u see in low polygon....just some thoughts...:wavey:

Keep it up...i will be back!

[dominicqwek]

dimitris is right. block out in low poly how the whole character would look and start adding details after u are comfortable with the low res version. Cheers.
:thumbsup:

[akocan]

Hello once more.
Thank you dimitris and dom... I did try to make your suggestions useful. I did work on the head in low polygon a bit. I made a more understandable mouth. I don't want a nose. the big thing on his face might be the nose. I also made the head thinner all over because the thing I drew was like that...

I made eye holes but I'm not sure if this one looks better..

I can't find details to add ;( help me with this please!!!

Thank you all..
Sincerely

[Aearon]

i'll help you ;)

the nose looks nothing like your concept, it's totally integrated with the head on your model, but in the sketch it round and just sticks out from the face (.like it should)

i think you should kill the "nose" in your model, and extrude one from the face

you could also try to round the whole model off more (just a matter of pulling some verts..)

[DimitrisLiatsos]

:bounce: Three Challenges back i was making my first Head on the Living toon 3D challenge and Equinox was kind to give me a link to Wiro's tutorial for head modeling ...although the tutorial is for realisticbase of a human head not cartoonish, the rules and moves are pretty much the same!!!
Here u are ..
Wiro's head modeling tutorial (http://www.secondreality.ch/tutorials/modelling/head.html)


:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[akocan]

first of all, thank you fist and dimitris for your support..

fist: well I guess the image of the charachters head I had in mind was like the one I modeled. Becase it doesn't have a ugly big nose. it has a face growing to a nose .. like the character in The Chubbchubbs. So I believe it is better this way. Any thoughts? :bounce: :bounce:

dimitris: thank you for the tutorial. it is quite detailed but as you said, it's a tutorial for a realistic face..
I'm looking at it right now to see if I could use any parts of it for my character... :bounce: :bounce:

I'll do a bit of body modelling today if I can..
I'm attaching the refrence pics for the head...

Sincerely

[akocan]

this is the left refrence pic.

[Kozlow]

Hi there,
sometimes is quite helpful to drow a cage on your concept drawing so you could better work with poly or mesh. the main rule is to avoid triangles cuz when you apply mesh smooth it can look bad. But sometimes triangles can be a great help with wrinkles modeling.

Take care
Kamil

[akocan]

Hi all..
Thank you a lot Jelwa for all that time you took to draw on my pic and so on. from now on, I'll try to do what you've told me. As far as I understood, you tell me to draw the refrence pics with a cage and make the poly parts match those cages?

I've started building the upper body. it's very very simple. no details or so..
I'm attaching it..

Uhhh.. Too much more to learn!!!

Sincerely

[Kozlow]

Yes Acocan you understood well, Try to model your char like you were sculptureing(?) observe everything from different angles until it will look ok.
Kamil:beer:

[akocan]

Hello everyone..

Thanks Jelwa again for every single thing you give as a advice..

Another update.. I did the body and a bit of a clothing. Actually all that clothing will be covered with an apron. by the way the thing on his left chest on the shirt is a pocket.. ;) that's the best I could do. I have no patience left for today I guess.. of this 3D requires a lot of patience, a lot!!!!


Sincerely

[Aearon]

don't worry... :cool:

maybe it's not as intuitive as 2d work, but you'll get the hang of it and really speed up your modeling in no time! just don't give up! :shame:

it's coming along alright, but the elbow area looks really thin to me! ;)

[akocan]

hello fist.
Thank you again.. Well the elbow is specifically thin. I wanted it to be that thin..

Sincerely

[Aearon]

mhmh still looks weird to me :shrug:

well your call, i guess it will look right once he has hands (go on! :D)

[antnik]

The important is tha you have the feeling...so don't be afraid...you will find the way...go on..:thumbsup:

[akocan]

Thank you fist and antnik for your replies..

I've been bored a bit actually cause I've been working on this for hours and I don't get what I'm expecting. Anyways, I did a pair of shorts and combined the head with the body..

Just not sure what to do now ;) hands, feet.. but need something else.. don't know. I'm sure there are many many things missin.. :cry: :cry: :cry: :banghead: :banghead:

Sincerely

[akocan]

HELLO EVERYONE after a very long pause of 3 days...

As I told, I am a newbie and this is the first time that I'm modelling a character.. I've always modelled buildings before...
I was about to give up because this takes too much time and requires a lot of patience and I can never get what I expect...

Anyways, Today I woke up and told to myself, come on, complete this!! ;) So a success story began ;) ;) :buttrock: :buttrock:

I've added the hands and the shoes to this mcmaniman man... Not good, I know.. But at least there's some progress I believe.. Any comments will be very very very much appreciated!!!!!

By the way, please go to www.azizk.com for better quality images... I can't post the quality ones because of size limit...

Sincerely

[Aearon]

rest assured, you did make progress :thumbsup:

why does everything look so square / edgy though? beveled edges everywhere ? i'd like it better if everything was a bit smoother, but maybe this is what you wanted :shrug:

you CAN post the high quality images on http://www.cgchallenge.com/challenge_view.php?challenge_id=34 btw (if you haven't already done so)

[iC4]

nice progress!

and it doesn't matter if you just started with 3d or if you are working at pixar as long as you enjoy the challenge and have fun :thumbsup:

the best thing is that you will learn really much in these challenges, at least I did it ;)

here are some suggestions...at the moment it looks a bit boxy as fist allready said - so I would pull some edges (shown in my picture)

http://www.cgcube.de/forum/suggestion.jpg

just a suggestion :p

[akocan]

Hello all...

fist : you know you're my man! ;) thanks again for giving this advice.. And the support tooo...

and iC4-: Oh my! Thank you for taking all this time to show me how to improve by working on the pic. I posted.. Thanks a lot.. I'll work on that edges tonight. and I also want to rig this if possible. It'll be the second time I'm trying to rig..
We'll see what will come out..

So I go to get riggy with it ;)

Love to all ;) ;)

Sincerely

[Virtuoso]

Nice comments and advice,bravo iC4.........:thumbsup: :applause:


akocan: I think for a first 3D model it's great. Before you know it it will be intuitive as is 2D for you now.I like your sketch/concepts.And I can only say ditto to all iC4 and Fist have already stated.


Just keep going,you'll get there before you know it,you are on the right track,first of all with the right attitude.Just keep pulling,tweaking and messing with those verts.Good luck and have fun.



:thumbsup: :beer:

[Aearon]

i hope nobody takes offense, but i can't resist the urge to quote pulp fiction

The Wolf: "Well, let's not start sucking each other's d!cks just yet."

hehe, seriously though, thanks for the nice comments in my thread akocan. It's a pleasure to reply to your thread and i have my reasons. Your drawing style has something i really like, and i'm absolutely sure you'll become a great 3d artist if you keep the ball rolling, so do it :D

As my main man Virtuoso said, keep tweaking the mesh. Don't rush the modeling stage, remember you have a lot of time left. Don't be afraid of redoing sections of the mesh if you don't get a good result, i believe that's a good way to do your first few models. You'll get it to look better then you expected in no time!

[akocan]

fist, hehe ;)

Anyways, as a student who's very hardworking ;) ;), I did try to work on the things you said.. take a look...

[akocan]

Get ready for some serious laughs ;))

My rig try-out ;)

[schmu_20mol]

well not a bad one...can we see some wires of your low-res model?...with what package are you working then perhaps someone can point out more tips

....btw not really a serious laugh...i think pretty everyone of us had those probs ;)

[akocan]

hi schmu_20mol.

Thank you for relieving me. I actually can't say much about the package I am working with but let me tell you everything specifically... I believe it's in there somewhere ;)

I use 3Ds Max 5.0. All of the modelling I've done so far is out of boxes or other shapes. Only the hand and the eyebrows are made by first drawing a line, and then extruding. At the end, I did a meshsmooth modifier illiterations 2. So this is all I did.. If there's any, ANY little detail that's coming to your mind about the things I told, I'd be glad to hear!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Sincerely

[Kozlow]

Hi there Akocan,
your char. can move but the mesh deforms not quite good. I ll give you a few tips how make a rigging.
1.i use (mostly) character studio, since uou work with 3dmax you know about this program
2. I do not use phisique i prefer skin wich is better cuz you have complet control over weights.
3. i put the skin modyfier below meshsmooth wich i keep off until the char. can move correctly.
4.there is a button i mesh smooth render literation...i use this instead working with smoothted model in the viewport.
5.About the skin you have to pay attention to areas like shoulders knees and pelvis. Head stays rigid.
6.Use wheights table a great tool to control vert.
7. In bending areas u can use skin gismos, it can solve many problems.
8.You can check out how your char is movin by loading a bip files with motion data simply by clicin a load file button:).
8.No rush
9.Eat somethig sometimes go with your friends and have a bier:):beer:
Take care:wavey: i hope im helpful
Kamil:beer:

[akocan]

yo Jelwa... thank you for that useful reply.. I know character studio but don't have much info about it.. I can just make that man and make him walk, run or jump...

Anyways, I'll try to learn it now adays..

By the way, I do eat, actually too much ;) ;)

Sincerely

[akocan]

hello everyone. I have a character studio question.. i need some help..

I watched a tutorial that in the figure mode, the biped could be easily scaled, moved and so on..

I can scale the biped but when I try to move for ex. the upper leg either ways, it doesn move to right or left. it moves connected to the pelvis, the reqular movement...

To sum it up, could you help me so that I can fit that biped into my modelling?

sincerely

[Kozlow]

Hi there Acocan you have to scale the pelvis in orther to obtain dessired position fot your leg. If this is what you'd like to do.
If not write some more maybe i can help.
Kamil:beer:

[akocan]

Hi everyone..

I've at last achieved some rigging...

Please take a look at this and comment...

www.azizk.com/cgtalk/bipedfutbol2.avi

sincerely:bounce:

[akocan]

Hello everyone. I couldn't update for a while because if you've been watching this thread, you'll see that I'm a beginner and I got bored a bit. it is so hard to get what you expect. But I tried to do the apron and adjusted the hands a bit today... I again didn't get what I expected but at least I'll finish this competition...

I can't imagine how hard the rigging will be after all this apron...
offf ;(

Anyways, I'm attaching the image of the model , how it looks right now... also you can find a turn around video here:

www.azizk.com/cgtalk/turn.avi

it is in XviD format...

Comments pls...

Sincerely

[akocan]

Hello everyone..
another long pause for me.
and here I come back..

Nothing much to add but I did a sketch for the vehicle..
it is a flying saucer type of thing which he stands in. like the one that green goblin has in spiderman..

it has blades on the sides.. after I did the sketch, I realized that this looks a bit like beyblade ;)
but I like the idea anyways, so I'm going to do this...

Here, I'm attaching the sketch..

Sincerely;
:bounce: :bounce:

[akocan]

YO!

Here is what I did so far that might be counted as modelling...

sincerely
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[akocan]

Hi all..
I see that no one's replying but anyways, I'm posting :thumbsdow

This time a little update and a question..

http://www.azizk.com/cgtalk/vehicson.jpg

It is explained on the pic..

Sincerely

[Johnlittle]

The concept is pretty out there,but still has my attention,it's pretty original.The modeling is early but looking pretty smooth as of now.All in all looking good.I would like to see this finished personally.Keep working on it.Looks different,but that's a good thing.:beer:

[akocan]

Hi johnlittle..
thank you for your nice words!

Anyways, I still didn't get any reply to the last pic. I posted.
There's a problem I can't fix that I told there and I still can't fix it..
Can you help me?

I don't want the blade to look the same. (upper ones )
but the one I want (lower ones) have a problem at matching..

What should I do??


Thanks in advance. (IF SOMEONE REPLIES!)

[akocan]

Hi all..

Thanks to none help I got from the forum.. But there were other people kind enough to help me..
so I solved the problem..

Don't know if anyone's interested but still posting..

Sincerely
:annoyed: :annoyed:

http://www.azizk.com/cgtalk/vehicupdate.jpg

[akocan]

www.azizk.com/cgtalk/combine.avi

macmaniman sitting in the vehicle..

I know no one cares but... anyway..

[Konic]

It's looking good,a little early to comment to a larger degree,but it's one I'll check back on later.In fact I think what you do have looks polished.:thumbsup: :)

[Kozlow]

Hi there Acocan,
its going good, about the character studio problems, i did download the file but couldn see maybe it was compresed with a codec that i do not have. So sorry for that, i would be glad if i can help with character studio some more.
The vehicle reminds me a bit some part of a machine i use for cofee grinding :) Will it fly by spining around itself or some other way?Keep going
Kamil

[akocan]

hi all.

Konic: Thank you for those nice words..

Jelwa: Actually the codec is DivX Pro 5.03 .. My suggestion is this: go to www.k-lite.tk and download the "Kazaa Lite Codec Pack" Then every single thing will work..

And once you see the video, you'll see the problems I'm facing..

About the vehicle, yes I want it to spin around itself (The blades) and fly like that but I didn't model it seperately so I can't animate it.. ;/

Thank you all..
Updates coming soon..

Sincerely
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Virtuoso]

Hi Akocan.................You got some promise with this.It would be nice to see you give this as much time as possible.Get it to the finish line.I can see.I think at least what you have in mind,and it does have promise.Looks good so far,and interesting.I hope you can get more of it done.keep it rolling.Good job thus far.

:thumbsup: :beer:

[akocan]

hello all..

virtuoso: thank you for the nice words.. I actually promised myself to complete this and gain as much as possible from the challenge.. we'll see how it goes...

I now started to work on the enviroment.. this is a pizza boy so we need a pizza store..
I started with the door to the kitchen or WC.. a door inside the pizzaplace.. not the entrance door..

anyways, here's the image:

http://www.azizk.com/cgtalk/door.jpg

sincerely
:wavey: :wavey:

[akocan]

hello everyone..
continuing with the enviroment

started to model the oven.

but I didn't add much details... hopefully it will be finished soon..

http://www.azizk.com/cgtalk/oven.jpg

cheers:applause: :applause:

[Aearon]

you're still doing great akocan, just keep going like this.. give us a complete pizza shop by the deadline and you'll have a great entry :wip:

i don't think the oven needs more detail, it fit's the style..

[Virtuoso]

Akocan: Perhaps even more exaggeration,a little extra twist and a little more bend.Just a thought ,I'll leave it to you.It's all got some nice appeal,I like your concept and work too is good.The idea is fresh,good job,keep it going.:thumbsup: :beer:

[akocan]

hello all..

fist: thank you first of all.. I will finish this pizza shop, I promise ;)

virt: I did change somethings... I'm attaching it underneath.. check this out and tell me what you think? I guess this is enough for twist and bend tough..
Anyways..

Cheers
:beer:

http://www.azizk.com/cgtalk/ovenson.jpg

[akocan]

yihaa!!
somebody stop me ;) I started to fall in love with modelling ;) I spend too much time one it ... wish I could model better ;(
anyways, here are some new things...

Sincerely


http://www.azizk.com/cgtalk/table.jpg

[akocan]

Hello all..
I wanted to see how it looks when I combine the pieces I've done so far..
So I did combine them ;) remember this is not the final.

http://www.azizk.com/cgtalk/pizzaci.jpg

http://www.azizk.com/cgtalk/pizzacii.jpg

With Love.

[Franky]

Freaky ,a place like that would be a hit in most towns.Fun work,different but interesting enough,I like the look.:thumbsup:

[akocan]

hi again.

Thank you Franky for your comments.
tried to do my best...

Anyways, here we come almost to the end..
so I'm about to finish.. maybe very little tweaking left..

I'm posting the last two images I've rendered..

Cheers
:applause:

http://www.azizk.com/cgtalk/final.jpg

http://www.azizk.com/cgtalk/finall.jpg

[Kozlow]

Hey,
Acocan, i would tone the red down a bit, but its going good generally. Take care and keep on fighting not much time left
Kamil:thumbsup:

[akocan]

Hi all..

Thank you JELWA... FOR ALL THE HELP YOU'VE GIVEN ME... You helped me develop a lot.. You're the greatest...! ;)

Anyways, I had some fun today and did somethings that I liked...
I believe you'll like them as well...

Since this is a game icon challenge, I think that a game company would sell the game.. so I thought why not nintendo? I made a game cover for gameboy advance.. here are the images for the front and back:

front:

http://www.azizk.com/cgtalk/on.jpg

back:

http://www.azizk.com/cgtalk/arka.jpg

Cheers

[Aearon]

hehe awesome idea with the gba box, so is this the final already? :thumbsup:

you really did the rest of the shop pretty quick, nice going man :cool:

[Memodin]

Hey..... the result is great. You are realy good buddy.

Kýsa surede baya yol katetmissin. Hadi bakalim.

Congrulations...

[pigwater]

akocan ... i love it ...i love it ... i love it:thumbsup:

from the twisted concept to the pizza oven this is the best ...just what i like ...i good "throw the muck around - kill em all" kind of game :thumbsup: :thumbsup: i'm just sorry i didn't see this sooner

[DimitrisLiatsos]

Sweet final man...u did fine job and funny too!!...take care:thumbsup:

[akocan]

Yeeha ;) I'm kinda happy..

pigwater: c'mon, it's not that good.. no way .. ;) but thank you, you made me happy.

dimitris: thanks a lot man. you did a great great job as well.

sincerely

[Memodin]

Yes. I love it too. Thats very successful. Take care.

[pigwater]

akocan ...sorry, but it's the truth ..i just swang by again and i'm bustin up ... sorry , this thing just cracks me up ... even the title (i can't even say it )

what can i say:shrug:

the modeling , the poses ...it's a classic to me

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