HARDCORE MODELING!: Stan Winston Tribute: <<Ghost: MAYOR GHOUL>>

[southparx]

hello welcome to the forum :)

i hope you have lots of fun

cheers,
andrew

[Umoc]

Update. I spent some time on constructing the face. Also created a proxy to get an idea of how the overall shape of the head is coming out. Still need to block out the back of the head, but it's coming along. :)
http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_001.jpg

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_002.jpg

[Umoc]

Latest Update. I did some stitching around the eyes and mouth and reworked some of where my loops ended. I got the face to a point I'm pretty comfortable with. On to the ear and rest of the head. The pics should show kinda where I came from since the last post.

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_003.jpg

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_005.jpg


http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_008.jpg

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_010.jpg

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_011.jpg

[Umoc]

Ok... So my latest update. not to much really. I attached the face I built to the back of the head and pretty much ronded out the form. I'll tweak that some more after I get the ear modeled and attacthed.http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_014.jpg


http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_015.jpg


Alright, so for the ear... I'm kinda in a tough spot. The closest thing to a profile of the make up effects being worn by MJ shows up at the end credits.

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_016.jpg

As you can see the prob is 1) the rolling end credits and 2) the hand of one of the makeup effects artist obsuring the ear.:shrug:

[Umoc]

Decided to try and model the ear from this pic

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/Ref/Ghosts_Ref_003.jpg

I know it's not a true profile but it'll have to do I guess. I can shape it around a bit then connect it to the head when done. Hope my idea works out ok :wip:

[Tasp]

You may have started a little late, but you're off to a great start.

[Umoc]

Thanks. I appreciate the compliment :)

[Umoc]

Having too much fun with this but I do have to catch at least a few z's. Here's a few pic of the ear starting with the rough trace. I extruded a poly plane to get the profile then kept on stitching edges as I went along .
http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_017.jpg

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_018.jpg

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_019.jpg


Then what i ended up with...

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_020.jpg

I think I'm at a descent point before stitching onto the head. Just need to position and do a little sculpting to get to match the reference still a bit better. Make the tip more pointy perhaps. That's that for now

[Umoc]

Also thought I'd post a link to the vid for anyone not familiar with this short film Stan Winston directed. :) http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xuu4o_michael-jackson-ghost_music
Just a heads up. It's a long vid. The bulk of my ref is coming from 27:35-28:25

[Intervain]

awesome job so far - I loved that video and song as a matter of fact...

[Umoc]

Thanks :) Yeah that vid's really cool. Stan and company did an amazing job. There was one thing I thought was pretty creepy though. I never thought hearing Mike raise his voice could be so unsettling. "Hello! Game Time!":scream: I like the songs too. ha...

[Antropus]

Hey, this a pretty good start. Very clean topology on the ears.
Keep going.

-Kris

[Umoc]

Thanks much:) , ears are pretty tricky for me so I appreciate it. I should have an update soon with the ear attached. Back to it..

[Umoc]

Here's my most recent update. I started by postitioning and sizing the ear


http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_021.jpg

then knocking a hole on the head where the ear was going and stitching

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_022.jpg

Several of the edges didn't line up well from the ear to the head so I had to rework somethings.Too many points on the outer edges of the ear. I added some loops to the main head and took away some I could get away with from the ear to fix it. I Think it came out alright. I also built out the rest of the neck and did some sculpting to shape it.

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_023.jpg


http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_024.jpg


http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_025.jpg


http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_026.jpg

Next up are the teeth(something basic), hair, and part of the torso, but necessarily in that order. I haven't really messed with hair in Maya. Not sure how difficult that might be so I'll stick with modeling it for now.

[Umoc]

My latest updates . I started blocking out the torso for Mayor Ghoul.


http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_027.jpg


http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_028.jpg

More updates soon :)

[Umoc]

got some more work on the torso done.:) It's starting to shape up a bit. I still have to get the arms built and other accessories like the suspenders. Then there's that arm with the mirror that burst out of his chest like in the reference pictures below.

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_030.jpg


http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_031.jpg

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/Ref/Ghosts_Ref_050.jpg

This is going to be the basic gesture I'm going for in the final. The only difference is He'll have the ghoul head instead of the normal face of the mayor. Cheers

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/Ref/Ghosts_Ref_051.jpg

[StevenEgan]

Very nice! It's nice to see a good character model being done without ZB. You have really done well with the forms, and volumes of the face, which is when allot of modelers resort to ZB to get these results.

Anyway, looking forward to seeing this whole character brought together.

[Umoc]

Thanks much Steven! :) yeah I try to do as much as I can with the model in maya first. I try to build a good mesh in there. Once I get something i like I still do take it to Zbrush for sculpting though.

update - I put in more work on torso, mostly building the arms refining the shirt and jacket. Also some basic joints for posing the mesh before exporting to Zbrsuh later.


http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_032.jpg


http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_033.jpg

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_034.jpg

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_035.jpg

I think I mentioned I was only going to model the bust of the character, but a pal of mine pointed out that once I put on the arms and go below a certain point on the torso it's technically not a bust any more. :eek: Oops. Oh well, I got carried away. I also posted a pic without the overlaying jacket mesh to show how I approached the shirt underneath. Suspenders and such still in progress:) Critiques and questions welcome. Cheers

[Umoc]

Hello all, I've got a few updates. :D

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_036.jpg

I spent time finishing off the suspenders and building some of the extra props/pieces needed for the final. That includes the arm that Stan had burst out of Michael's stomach:p, the mirror the arm is holding, and a pedestal for the model.

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_037.jpg


http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_038.jpg


http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_039.jpg


http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_040.jpg
The funny looking crown on his head is the "in progress" hair. :wip: The shirt and tie will be adjusted to wrap around the arm with the mirror like in the movie. ALso there's the hair to complete and the rest of the body needs to be posed into the gesture I'm going for. That should wrap up the modeling part before I take it to ZB.. for sculpting. Chugging along. Crit and ?uestions welcome. Take care all..

[Umoc]

Latest Update: It's time to get sculpting! :) I finalized my mesh and pretty happy with how it turned out. I knocked out the hair, teeth, and finished of the mesh in general. Pics from where I left off...

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_041.jpg

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_042.jpg

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_043.jpg

I used a lattice to shape the tie but I could do little stuff like that in ZB, so I decided to leave the jacket and other pieces for later.

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_044.jpg

This is the final base I plan on sending to ZB (still in a neutral stance)

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_045.jpg

Also some good ol' hand made UV's. :p

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/UVs%20sm.jpg (http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/UVs.jpg)

For the sake of time saving I decided to skip binding the mesh for posing. I'm hoping I can work the transpose tools alright in ZB (havn't used the feature much) but if I can't get it just right I'm cool with jumping back to Maya to get my pose before sculpting. :shrug: My main concern is getting some good gesture in the fingers and arms with out messing up the areas where they are pivoting from.

So far I probrably put in about 54 hrs towards the model over the past weeks (the bulk of it being the 10 - 18 I get to put in on the weekends. The rest is an hour or two during the days I work. Probrably 2.5 included for research (had to dig a bit for the decent video ref I found)- plus there's the occasinal gathering of new ref or screen caps that come up when needed. I'm hoping the sculpting doesnt take as long since I took care of several of the landmarks in the initial modeling. Crits and comments are welcome.
On to the sculpting. Cheers

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_046.jpg

[Umoc]

Time for an update. it's been a few days since I've been able to work on the model but I have the weekend to put some more time in. :scream: rough sculpting on the face so far

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_047.jpg

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/WIP_Sc/WIP_ghoul_mayor_048.jpg

More to come soon :)

[Umoc]

Some of the final in prog shots before rendering something final for the contest

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/Submissions/CU_01.jpg

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/Submissions/CU_02.jpg

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/Submissions/Persp_01.jpg

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/Submissions/Persp_02.jpg

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/Submissions/Persp_03.jpg

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/Submissions/Persp_04.jpg

[Umoc]

http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/Submissions/Wires_01.jpg

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http://maxumo.com/WIP/HCR_Stan_Trib/Submissions/Wires_CU.jpg

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