Maxon Cinema 4d R11

[Walli]

Looks like a very nice release. Good to finally see Cineman in this release. Is there pricing information available?

[vbvcvj]

The cineman looks very promising, is there a shader tree system in R11 ?Anyway, well done Maxon ! :bounce:

[Shademaster]

Awesome!

Thanks for the screenshots!

[vbvcvj]

Ok, I saw the Cineman video (http://www.maxon.net/pages/movies/CineMan.mov), looks cool !!

Is the parametres in the Cineman material programable ?

[unseenthings]

Wow, wow, WOW... Very, very excited about this.

CineMan... Collada... NLA.... new GI... faster rendering... 64 bit for the Mac guys.. and lots of little features like using Photoshop ABR files in Bodypaint and the "greasepencil" type functionality of Doodle... very, very cool. Kudos to Maxon. When's the demo coming and how much are upgrades? :)

[unseenthings]

Ok, I saw the Cineman video (http://www.maxon.net/pages/movies/CineMan.mov), looks cool !!

Is the parametres in the Cineman material programable ?
Haven't watched that yet, but from the Maxon site:
CineMan translates the entire CINEMA 4D scene, including lights and materials to a RenderMan-complaint RIB file. CINEMA 4D shaders are immediately available in RenderMan, and RenderMan shaders can even be used within CINEMA 4D as long as a compatible render engine is selected.
Pretty impressive stuff.

[Lone Deranger]

Impressive stuff. Maxon always strikes me as one of the most reliable and consistent developers out there. Good work guys!

[Srek]

When's the demo coming
It's already online, though the server might be a bit choked currently

[benytone]

Non-Linear Animation.......... :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[unseenthings]

It's already online, though the server might be a bit choked currently
It is?? I'm getting a 404/page not found after I fill out the information form. :/

[ThE_JacO]

Congratulations to the crew, particularly on the os-x 64bit port, you're the only people who endured the carbon-cocoa transition it seems, or at least the first.

[Srek]

It is?? I'm getting a 404/page not found after I fill out the information form. :/
Ups, will be corrected asap.

Edit: It's up and running now

[Srek]

Congratulations to the crew, particularly on the os-x 64bit port, you're the only people who endured the carbon-cocoa transition it seems, or at least the first.
Thanks, this is especialy frustrating if you keep in mind that we already had a nearly release ready 64 bit carbon version when Apple changed it's mind a year ago :/
Oh well, this way it's a much nicer package over all

Cheers
Björn

[Skamierski]

holy shit, big buster UPDATE, MAXON ROCKS
i hope i can get today the demo. is there perhaps e a new subsurface scattering shader or a improved one?

[benytone]

new animation layer system in C4D 11? its true?!
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[SheepFactory]

A doodle tool, nice! It is such a lifesaver for animators.
Also cant wait to get my hands on the 64 bit osx version when I get my mac pro. :)


Congrats on a great release Maxon.

[PixelTricks]

I got to hand it to them.
I have made the change from 3dsmax to cinema4d R10.5 and I love the way things like bodypaint are integrated into the program. They also haven't let pricing get out of control like some of the other vendors and they have always been there to answer questions whenever I had them.

I can't wait for R11.

[okazaky]

Awesome! Thanks Maxon! :buttrock::buttrock::applause:

[Srek]

Another thing to point out is that from R11 on ther eis no differenciation between plattforms anymore. If you have a R11 license you can use it on Windows or OS X, just as you like it.
Customers with a service contract have the additonal option of using a second installation on a mobile system.

[SheepFactory]

Another thing to point out is that from R11 on ther eis no differenciation between plattforms anymore. If you have a R11 license you can use it on Windows or OS X, just as you like it.
Customers with a service contract have the additonal option of using a second installation on a mobile system.



Thank god! :D

[Srek]

On OS X, if you switch to 64 bit mode, you are still able to use Quicktime (which is a 32 bit app only). We were able to circumvent this limitation of Quicktime so you now still have the full QT functionality from within CINEMA 4D 64 bit on OS X.
Also from R11 on you can embed audio in your renderings. This is especialy usefull for quick previews you need to check timing.

[williamsburroughs]

I love days like today. :beer:

Congrats on another great release Maxon! :love:

[spirozero]

If you have a R11 license you can use it on Windows or OS X, just as you like it.

I own both a Windows machine and a Power Mac. Can I run R11 on both at the same time???

[imashination]

Legally, no. Its still one licence, its just with all the macs blurring the lines, it was time to scrap the win/osx limit.

I like to call it the bisexual licence.

[Tank_3D_Attack]

One hell of an update I have to say. Congrats Maxon for making it an awesome release.

Thomas

[Decade]

Also from R11 on you can embed audio in your renderings. This is especialy usefull for quick previews you need to check timing.

Wooohooo ! At long last ! Sold.

[Argopo]

Another thing to point out is that from R11 on ther eis no differenciation between plattforms anymore. If you have a R11 license you can use it on Windows or OS X, just as you like it.
Customers with a service contract have the additonal option of using a second installation on a mobile system.

So, in essence, I can have C4D installed on both platforms, but only have one in use?

This is helpful, once I upgrade to a Mac Pro.

What is the US cost of the service contract? There was no mention of it on the Maxon page, and I tried calling Maxon directly, but I think they are busy...

The "MAXON Service Agreement" (MSA) is optionally available to MAXON customers. Participating customers are kept up-to-date with the newest releases of CINEMA 4D and/or BodyPaint. As soon as a new software version is available MSA participants will receive these automatically, allowing participants to immediately take advantage of all new features and advancements.The "MAXON Service Agreement" (MSA) is optionally available to MAXON customers. Participating customers are kept up-to-date with the newest releases of CINEMA 4D and/or BodyPaint. As soon as a new software version is available MSA participants will receive these automatically, allowing participants to immediately take advantage of all new features and advancements

So, much like the XSI maintenance contract, the updates are included within the cost of the service agreement?

Whereas, without the service contract, you can download any fixes/updates using the Online-Updater, but would pay for point upgrades.

[Srek]

I own both a Windows machine and a Power Mac. Can I run R11 on both at the same time???
If you have two licenses then yes. Additonal licenses come at a very much reduced rate.
If you have a service contract you are allowed to use a second installation on a mobile system.

[Srek]

Argopo: Please check here (http://www.maxon.net/pages/products/new/r11/service_e.php) for more information on the service contract

[LordSaddler]

Still no Quicktime on Vista x64 I guess? Well, it´s not that important... ;)

Are there any improvements to the Network Renderer GUI? The site just speaks of general improvements to render settings. I was once on a project with a lot of renderjobs - and it was quite annyoing if you wanted to put a certain job to the top the list (clicking 50 times).

I was looking into Final Render or V-Ray, but with R11 i´ll probably stick to AR3 and maybe try RenderMan. Its really nice to see how Maxon has improved C4D over all those years (i think i started with a Demo of R5 or R6). Keep up the good work! :)

[netviper]

Michael Marcondes and I are working on some killer stuff with it. We hope to have the first feature shots done with the commercial version. :)

[mcteapot]

Woo Woo! This made my month.
Great work guys!


Is CineMan to be sold as a module?

When is the new SDK coming out, I want to try C.O.F.F.E.E. code to define parameter values!!!

[dprgb]

From what I understand CineMan is included with the AR module.

[Srek]

Is CineMan to be sold as a module?
It's part of AR

When is the new SDK coming out, I want to try C.O.F.F.E.E. code to define parameter values!!!
I can't give you a date, but it's beeing worked on

[Oli4D]

really amazing Update, thanks Maxon!!

What really interests me though, maybe Srek can answer this, is:


1. Is the performance of the editor better? When animating riggend characters in Cinema4D, the editor gets very slow... and makes animating of rigged objects quite uncomfortable.
Is that improved in R11?
Because if not, all the cool new animation features (which sound AWESOME) are only half as useful.

2. Are the Vista Open GL Bugs gone?


Thanks a lot,
Oliver

[benytone]

New Global Illumination Test Cinema 4D 11 (a small animation) : Download Link (http://anim3d.de.tl/My-Animation.htm)

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http://home.arcor.de/anim10d/JaguarPIC.jpg

[RayDale]

I am testing the demo now and am very impressed with this release overall it's another big stride forward.

[Srek]

1. Is the performance of the editor better? When animating riggend characters in Cinema4D, the editor gets very slow... and makes animating of rigged objects quite uncomfortable.
Is that improved in R11?
Because if not, all the cool new animation features (which sound AWESOME) are only half as useful.
The editor performance of rigs is mostly determined by the exact setup. I've seen complex but very fast ones as well as dreadfully slow ones with no special capabilities.
There was no fundamental change in how the editor or the expressions work that could make a slow rig go fast in R11.

2. Are the Vista Open GL Bugs gone?
All the Vista / CINEMA 4D OGL problems i know of are caused by drivers. Different drivers, different problems. We managed to get control over some of the nastier ones (preview rendering on OS X, tranparencies with ATI), but that was mostly by working around the bugs or simply disabeling the offending functionality (thankfully the later has finaly been adressed by ATI).

[Phoenician]

Thanks for the good news

[Decade]

"When is the new SDK coming out, I want to try C.O.F.F.E.E. code to define parameter values!!!"

further to this question :
1) Is coffee to remain the main scripting language for C4D ?
2) Should we expect to gain access to the program's latest features (especially the animation ones) sooner or later via coffee?

Thanks, I'm wondering whether it's worth learning coffee, like maxscript, will it let me rip the program open ?

[megatronskeletor]

Congratulations to the crew, particularly on the os-x 64bit port, you're the only people who endured the carbon-cocoa transition it seems, or at least the first.

Is Houdini OSX not Cocoa?

[Per-Anders]

"When is the new SDK coming out, I want to try C.O.F.F.E.E. code to define parameter values!!!"

further to this question :
1) Is coffee to remain the main scripting language for C4D ?
2) Should we expect to gain access to the program's latest features (especially the animation ones) sooner or later via coffee?

Thanks, I'm wondering whether it's worth learning coffee, like maxscript, will it let me rip the program open ?

1) From MAXON yes for the moment, though I do know of one plugin dev currently writing a Python binding to the Cinema API and of course there is always XPresso for node based "coding" and an extremely strong C++ API for the hardcore tools developer.

2) Yes, though I can't say when the latest C++ API calls will be added to the COFFEE API by MAXON (though of course again a third party could do it easily enough).

[erilaz]

1) From MAXON yes for the moment, though I do know of one plugin dev currently writing a Python binding to the Cinema API

I wish I had ears that could prick up, because that just made my day. :D

[tkane18]

Can you render hair with GI now?
Previously, hair would render dark / black with GI.

[Per-Anders]

Can you render hair with GI now?
Previously, hair would render dark / black with GI.

Yes you can, you must set the HAIR post effect to Raytrace mode though to do so. Alternatively you can make it generate "real" geometry in the HAIR object just as you can in R10 which will also of course render with GI but will not be as optimized.

[jj80]

Hi all,

I havn't used Cinema for about 6 years, but the tool set these days looks very impressive. However, while this is cool if you want to make pretty pictures at home, the really important question is how it integrates into the pipeline at work. Cineman looks like a step in the right direction, so how's the scripting/API environment ? Are there different 'levels', ie scripting language (mel) vs C-API ? Is python support planned ? How difficult would it be to write custom tools for Cinema4D ? Can you access and modify openGL in the viewport ? Why is there no linux version ?

Just looking for a 'hands - on' report that lays out weaknesses and strengths and how it 'feels like' to do custom development on it...

would be interesting to hear some opinions !

[Srek]

how's the scripting/API environment ? Are there different 'levels', ie scripting language (mel) vs C-API ? Is python support planned ?
In order of complexity you have
Xpresso (plattform independent nodebased expression system)
COFFEE Scripts (plattform independent scripts that can be either created by recording action or edited directly. finished scripts can be docked in the interface just like any other CINEMA 4D function)
COFFEE Expressions (plattform independent Java like language for expressions)
COFFEE Plugins (plattform independent Java like language for plugins)
C++ API / SDK (plattform dependent but with a highly consistent SDK between plattforms)

The C++ API is very complete, in fact practicaly all modules of CINEMA 4D made by MAXON are based on the API and so is much of the core stuff.

A Python implementation is currently done by a plugin developer.

How difficult would it be to write custom tools for Cinema4D ?
Not very much. Xpresso and COFFEE are managable for by far the most users. If you have some C++ experience the CINEMA 4D API shouldn't be to difficult to get into, it is well documented and there is free support for it on www.plugincafe.com (http://www.plugincafe.com)

Can you access and modify openGL in the viewport ?
No idea, maybe check on this over at plugin cafe.

Why is there no linux version ?
A Linux version is only available to studios under special contract.

[Pjot]

really amazing Update, thanks Maxon!!

What really interests me though, maybe Srek can answer this, is:


1. Is the performance of the editor better? When animating riggend characters in Cinema4D, the editor gets very slow... and makes animating of rigged objects quite uncomfortable.
Is that improved in R11?
Because if not, all the cool new animation features (which sound AWESOME) are only half as useful.

Oliver

no its not. same slow editor performance when animating, i just tested the demo on my characters. its not the rigging or the expressions (c4d is handling that task pretty well), its the way c4d handles a "nurbed" mesh that is being deformed i.m.o.. i agree that this issue should be fixed first, nle-animation should be standard anyway these days.

nevertheless, respect for the maxon developers!

regards
p

[shtl]

Thanks, this is especialy frustrating if you keep in mind that we already had a nearly release ready 64 bit carbon version when Apple changed it's mind a year ago :/
Oh well, this way it's a much nicer package over all

Cheers
Björn

yup, I gat scared you'd get upset about that. But that wouldn't be possible for adult and responsibility people! ^^
I'm so happy you did it. Plus all the rest of the news on r11 obviously...

Congrats on all that work, for us user it's simply an awesome news like ever before!


Even more better days are comming :)
Thank to you guys !

[wiremuse]

A Linux version is only available to studios under special contract.

Are there any plans in the future to make this available for the smaller studios and end users?

[Creature]

Hair renders really fine with GI. Hair also works fine in combination with MotionClips by the way:

Some bees (quicktime h.264) (http://www.zabiegly.de/aixsponza/biene_web.mov)
by Aixsponza

[Srek]

Are there any plans in the future to make this available for the smaller studios and end users?
I can not comment on possible future decisions or offers. For the time beeing only the OS X and Windows versions of CINEMA 4D are available to normal customers.

[vbvcvj]

Hair renders really fine with GI. Hair also works fine in combination with MotionClips by the way:

Some bees (quicktime h.264) (http://www.zabiegly.de/aixsponza/biene_web.mov)
by Aixsponza

Wow, looks cool, thanks for sharing!

[-mindcache-]

Seems to be a very bold release by Maxon and a great step in the right direction. I can see the PRMan support and Projection Man getting looked at in studios where Cinema4D was previously not even evaluated for use.

NLA Clips and Layers after watching the NLA Clip Mixing/Blending video (http://www.cineversity.com/tutorials/lesson.asp?tid=1336) on Cineversity. If you haven't seen the video check it out. I was very much loving the workflow in that video I can see a lot of animators coming over from some other packages to dig into that great non destructive workflow and t's very easy to use.

Bodypaint certainly has wide spread use everywhere all ready but I tell you
nothing could make me happier then the full support for photoshop brushes in it.

As simple as it may be the Doodle tool looks like it will get a lot of use from animators and those making visual notes when passing files back and forth. Deffinately handy. I know I'll certainly be using it regularly, my dry erase markers are going to get retired.

[Psionic Design]

Simply a mind blowing release, I really need to get some work done but can't stop playing around with the demo ;-)

Great Stuff Maxon!!

[Per-Anders]

so how's the scripting/API environment ? Are there different 'levels', ie scripting language (mel) vs C-API ? Is python support planned ? How difficult would it be to write custom tools for Cinema4D ? Can you access and modify openGL in the viewport ? Why is there no linux version ?

Just looking for a 'hands - on' report that lays out weaknesses and strengths and how it 'feels like' to do custom development on it...

would be interesting to hear some opinions !

Hi just to add to what srek has already posted (I'm a MAXON developer who is also and was previously a plugin dev). I'd say that Cinema's public C++ API is one of it's strongest points, it's extremely deep, complete and modern, is fully extensible and is the same tool that we use to write the application and it's modules (so you get the same tools we get at MAXON to write with). It's a very complete environment/os which when adhered to makes it very easy to write cross platform code.

On top of this you get free dev support at plugincafe.com and we've just completed our first US Developer Kitchen, basically a meet of MAXON core developers and management with people developing tools for C4D, studios, plugin devs etc where we're able to take feedback and give direct technical support even going as far as helping write custom code with these developers for their tools and help them make sure their tools work with the new R11 platform.

Basically MAXON is very keen to help developers, TD's and studios get whatever it is they want out of our toolset and allow them to create pretty much any tool they need or could think of as easily as possible.

[petz]

Is the build-in SSS effect working with Global Illumination? Doesn't show in my render when using GI.

Patrick

[RayDale]

Simply a mind blowing release, I really need to get some work done but can't stop playing around with the demo ;-)

Great Stuff Maxon!!

Same here. I have only managed about 5 hours work today (and that's pushing it) with clients waiting and a deadline tomorrow. I am hooked on the demo. The doodle tool, the new NLA tools and the renderer are soaking up all my time.

[rgdigital]

Any mirrors for the R11 demo yet? Their servers are slammed. I can't wait to try the demo!!

[jj80]

Thanks for your answers Maxon!

Any non - Maxon employees want to comment ?

Ah, one more question (i could try myself, but I'm a bit busy today), are cgfx shaders with passes supported in the viewport ? ie for shadows, DOF and lens distortions ?

[peculiarpatterns]

Just wondering about the projection painting tools
Is there any info i could get about it at all.....Ive scoured the net but to no avail

Being an up and coming matte painter Im very interested in this new tool but dont really know what it does.

I am downloading the demo now .....is there any documentation that comes with it to explain what the new features do.

Thanks .....cant wait to try it


(Edit ; ....my bad .....ive found the link on the maxon site explaining the new features
here it is for anyone else looking for it)



http://www.maxon.net/pages/products/new/r11/nonlinearanimation_e.html

[rgdigital]

What is QMC sampling, in the GI options? How does it add/refine the render?

EDIT: oops, found it on Maxon's site... who'da thunk!

[vbvcvj]

Some cool R11 video here:

http://www.cineversity.com/series/index.asp?spid=73

[brammelo]

Any non - Maxon employees want to comment ?

Best is to ask these question in the CINEMA 4D-specific subforum. There's a lot more visitors overthere that might be able to answer. There's only a few C4D-users that visit this thread.

[brasco]

Really looking forward to getting to grips with the new AR... GI looks great :applause:

[ThreeDViking]

I just purchased 10.5 last month, and I heard a rumor that if you bought 10.5 in July or later, you can get v11 for free. Could a MAXON rep confirm/deny this for me? Thanks!

[Lone Deranger]

Does this apply to BodyPaint R4 also?

Another thing to point out is that from R11 on ther eis no differenciation between plattforms anymore. If you have a R11 license you can use it on Windows or OS X, just as you like it.
Customers with a service contract have the additonal option of using a second installation on a mobile system.

[Srek]

Yes, this applies to BP R4 as well

[brammelo]

I just purchased 10.5 last month, and I heard a rumor that if you bought 10.5 in July or later, you can get v11 for free. Could a MAXON rep confirm/deny this for me? Thanks!

This might depend on your specific situation. Best is to get in touch with the dealer / country distributor you bought it from.

[Srek]

I just purchased 10.5 last month, and I heard a rumor that if you bought 10.5 in July or later, you can get v11 for free. Could a MAXON rep confirm/deny this for me? Thanks!

Please check with your local MAXON office, the common grace period is one month prior to announcement of a new version. There are very few exceptions from this, but only your nearest MAXON office can give you a definite answer to the question.

Cheers
Björn

[Lone Deranger]

Thanks Srek, that's really cool! Three cheers for user centric licensing! :beer:

Yes, this applies to BP R4 as well

[Srek]

Shipping of R11 has now started

Cheers
Björn

[Srek]

A first online update for R11 is now available.

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