great National Publicity and Exposure for EI at the links below, hurry, only up for a

[ediris]

I like the positioning of every link the news is right on top,you cant missed it. ;)
Good job Scott.
Edgard

[richardjoly]

Nice! I hope the traffic on EITG will reflect these "ads". This could encourage them to advertise. (Not that they didn't think of it, I'm sure...)

Thanks

[scottfox]

boy, I dont get it. EI desperately needs more and more national exposure, and this lands
on roughly, to my count 12 -14 web sites, even MacSurfers headline news. (Oh and ninja crayon as well :) and the response is pretty muted. People want EI to thrive, sell more
copies, and continue to upgrade\develop. Than we need all the Pub we can get. EI's budget for advertising is ZERO. (from what I know) so we need to all support, encourage and participate when we have a shot. At the end of the article there is a place to respond and leave some PRO EI remarks, backing me up with what I have to say.
...........
Nobody has to do anything, thats correct, I know that. But if you care about EI and its withering reputation, than chime in. Comment, Encourage, participate. It only takes a fewminutes to leave a positive EI experience in a comment form etc. Not a positive comment about ME. Im fine and I obviously get some benefit from this, but EI is the focus of my work and of the article. We ALL BENEFIT IF EI gets mentioned in the same pool as cinema and maya.
........
I was just offered more opportunity tonight to expose EI on a regular basis in these national forums, but without my friends here and on EITG responding to these efforts,I figure, why bother if nobody really cares, especially here among the hard core users.... 1 person (me) can not do it alone, I need backing to help build momentum and frankly keep me motivated as well. I post this publicity here to guage interest as well. If the community responds positively that tells me a lot.

[richardjoly]

...At the end of the article there is a place to respond and leave some PRO EI remarks, backing me up with what I have to say....

Sorry Scott but I don't see it. There is a link to your Demo reel and to the demo version on the EITG logo. I really can't see a place at the end of the article where it is clear that we can comment.

Even so, it is very nice to see you and EITG in these web sites. Excellent promotion.

[AVTPro]

Rock da house ya ! :)

[ediris]

WHen i first read the news these morning i went to check on the article and still dont see anyhting where you can comment anyhting . Usually on the NEWS form creativemac there is no comment like a tip or tutorial, where usually you can post comments.

[scottfox]

im sorry guys, my memory escaped me. my recollection was that you could comment.
The story is on like 10 or more websites. The real good publicity will come in the form of regular 'how too' articles etc. I am torn on how much I can do myself, I need to make a living at the same time. (How IAN does it is amazing) Maybe I can work something out with
him or others to help provide content for publishing on these websites. I am truly working this out as I go :) Its exciting and exhausting at the same time.
.........
Also, id like to say how small this news is in light of Alonzo's sad news. I wish they would have published the article later, I mean no disrespect at all to him.

[plsyvjeucxfw]

Hey Scott,

I liked the article. Your passion for EI and the work you can do with it is clearly evident.

Regarding how to's - anything, however small, would be a treat. Don't expect to write 700 pages of EI motion graphics right away. But a small article on how to animate a highlight over a metalic logo would be good. Or how you get elements to sort of 'bounce' before they settle into their final positions? Quick little tips. Given enough time you would have quite a lot of reference material.

My thoughts anyway.

[scottfox]

I wish I knew your name, but you are right on. What I am weighing is the amount of detail to reveal per article. EI is not (currently) giving me anything for the publicity. Which is not a surprise to me. But I do need to pay the bills. An ad on these sites can run in the mid to high thousands of dollars. So EI could pay that for a banner ad. OR they could work something much more reasonable with me to keep them constantly in the news.
In no way am I looking to get rich off this, BY FAR not. But the reality is, what I can provide EI costs tens of thousands of dollars in publicity, not to mention constant visibility among the 3d and animation artist crowd. Im not IAN, who is a SAINT. But yet I still want to help. We'll see what EITG response is to this. Ive emailed Brad multiple times, and hes expressed an interest to work with me, but hes also expresses a small hesitancy because one out of twenty of my posts are mildly controversial. I hope to speak with him in the near future, unless he is totally oblivious to whats going on in the community. I love EI to death. But I can become a completely invisible user, if I am such trouble.

Decisions on this are literally happening at Siggraph in LA ( 3 blocks from my home)
Ko, and the management at DMN are making decisions, and so am I. Creative cow has been cool to me, but DMN has stepped up, and I\we (the EI community) have a real shot at SUSTAINED exposure! Not just articles about me or anyone else. Including Tesla!

If you support me, please let Brad Know, I know im not everyones cup of tea, but I promise everyone this. My passion for EI is sincere.

Thanks for reading my rant.......

[scottfox]

oops. Sorry Kurt.

[PaulS2]

I wish I knew your name, but you are right on. What I am weighing is the amount of detail to reveal per article. EI is not (currently) giving me anything for the publicity. Which is not a surprise to me. But I do need to pay the bills. An ad on these sites can run in the mid to high thousands of dollars. So EI could pay that for a banner ad. OR they could work something much more reasonable with me to keep them constantly in the news.
In no way am I looking to get rich off this, BY FAR not. But the reality is, what I can provide EI costs tens of thousands of dollars in publicity, not to mention constant visibility among the 3d and animation artist crowd. Im not IAN, who is a SAINT. But yet I still want to help. We'll see what EITG response is to this. Ive emailed Brad multiple times, and hes expressed an interest to work with me, but hes also expresses a small hesitancy because one out of twenty of my posts are mildly controversial. I hope to speak with him in the near future, unless he is totally oblivious to whats going on in the community. I love EI to death. But I can become a completely invisible user, if I am such trouble.

Decisions on this are literally happening at Siggraph in LA ( 3 blocks from my home)
Ko, and the management at DMN are making decisions, and so am I. Creative cow has been cool to me, but DMN has stepped up, and I\we (the EI community) have a real shot at SUSTAINED exposure! Not just articles about me or anyone else. Including Tesla!

If you support me, please let Brad Know, I know im not everyones cup of tea, but I promise everyone this. My passion for EI is sincere.

Thanks for reading my rant.......


You know, in the land of EI (maybe 3D in general) two words just don't seem to go together - 'Passion' and 'Politically Correct'.

Passion is raw energy which in the individual can be a very, very benefitial quality/commodity - focused intelligently can produce amazing things. Putting too many 'politically correct' restrictions on it is just the stupidest thing I have ever seen....fear of offending will get one absolutely no-where in life.

Yeah, Scott you can be a pain in the ass at times...but so what?! Every one here on this board can be a pain too - it's not exclusive to you:-) So, maybe at times a few feathers get ruffled by something you've said - big freak'n deal!! I 'Salute' you...what crap is that:-)?!! I'm not suggesting it's ok to be a Pr_ck though...and I'm not suggesting you are either:-)

EI needs to get agressive, loud and visable in their exposure - I think you're perfect to do it. You know how to use the tools, get great imagery and are a success in this competative 3D world....and you have a desire to see EI do well. If they can't back you up because you might offend the occassional person then your passion is not being wisely spent.

Life needs to be lived!.....as an artist you know that creative/passoniate spark. Use your's wisely other-wise the 'politically correct' careful approach to life will burn you out.

[ediris]

Bravo PaulS.:applause:

Scott, not as much but the same story came around when v7 was gonna be released, everybody was waiting for some CA tools. After all the strikes and the loud voices nothing seeme to work. v7 has some time now with v8 people just got their packs and took an airplane to another application that fills more their needs just like CJ did.

Perfect example of todays business when dealing with EI.

¨Your emails are to controversial¨, so what? Some people are quite and some peple are louder it will be to boring if evrybody was the same. We wll be either robots or anarchist.

[richardjoly]

...If you support me, please let Brad Know, I know im not everyones cup of tea, but I promise everyone this. My passion for EI is sincere...

And it shows. I think everybody knows your passion is sincere. Paul is fluent with this language and can express himself with more clarity than I could ever dream of. This is to say I agree with what he said.

Now Scott don't think Brad doesn't know what is going on in this forum or the EITG one. I'm sure he is fully aware of our needs, demands and potential as a group. What he choose to do with this information is his business as EITG is.

Does EITG needs exposure? Of course it does.
Can you help them with your passion? I believe you can.
Can you be a pain? Well, sometimes, a little...
Enough to be a threat for EI? NO FUXXXXG WAY!

I would say quite the contrary. Somebody with your passion and talent should be given all the space and opportunity he needs to make things happen. But I don't own EITG nor do you, Brad does. It's his decision.I hope something can be arranged that will satisfy everyone.

Thanks again for your passion and commitment.

[scottfox]

thank you Richard, Edgard and especially Paul! Paul, can I hire you to be my PR advisor :)
You have made me feel better about the whole thing. I honestly don't know whats going to come of this. I discussed with Ian how HE does what he does and still has time to earn a living.

By being public like this I know I really risk people questioning my motives some. Even Brad, Im sure. But Im not sure EI or Brad really understands the impact this will have for EITG. Free or dirt cheap publicity all over the net, and on a virtual weekly basis, maybe even more often than that. They seem to want me, but they want the (in their words) the EI Expert. So I would have to commit to it AND focus on EI content, reviews, interviews, stories and How To's. Probably including some plug ins and invigerator Pro with after effects. I could see myself interviewing other great EI talent, and profiling certain projects done with EI. I noticed a number of other websites also "reprinted" my interview which puts EI out there even more. Like I said before, it would cost EI tens of thousands of dollars for a small ad on all these websites, we all know they cant afford that, so this is why I am going to try and see if I can get 'something' out of the amount of time it will take me to be the head of this whole endeavor. You all know I have my first baby (now due in 3-17 days!) so I truly now have a family to support. :)

If you think I could do EI some real good, politely let Brad know your feelings. I still have multiple emails out to him on this situation, with no reply. Even Ian thinks we would make a great team together.

Tesla's going to need some national publicity as well, especially AFTER the launch when the press releases have all run their course. Animator is hanging in their by a thread,
and I want to give it one last shot in the arm, BIG TIME, and show people OUTSIDE of cg talk and EITG website that animator can put out some amazing imagery rivaling most any other package.

im done, and tired again. Thanks for the positive feedback guys...........

[PaulS2]

Just do what you can and have fun doing it - and if there is money to be paid then great!

I'm working as a consultant for the Brazil4Rhino port and have agreed to a set number of committed hours at a going rate. That way I get paid to do what I love to do and the company doesn't over-commit. Maybe something like that could work for you and EI.

By the way, Brazil with Rhino is an absolutely wonderful combo - I'm just loving it!

Here's some of the playing I get paid to do:-)

http://brazil.mcneel.com/photos/other/picture970.aspx

[scottfox]

Paul, your awesome. I am not comfortable 100% with this, but i have to try. I would like to offer brad a killer deal on getting consistent national exposure for EITG and ALL of its products, from Tesla, To EIAS, to plug-ins, including reviews, interviews and Project "how it was done" segments with some of our awesome users. Im a broken record but I want to
provide EI the widespread recognition it needs for no where near the 10s of thousands of dollars it would cost to simply put up banner ads.

My article alone, (according to IAN has led to a few sales and a much increased level of traffic to the EI site!) Due to ONE interview about me. Imagine a positive feature on EI and its capabilities every week! Over a few months, EI will be on the minds of a ton of new users. Yes, my friends, the igors, thousands and thousands of new users. :) Not only did my article go on roughly7-10 individual artist/animation websites, it was picked up and re printed by even more sites. The WEB became truly a web that spread this info farther and farther out to many more sites. My estimate based on website statistics, is that close to 60-100 THOUSAND people see the articles IN ONE DAY!! plus they hang in there for a good week or so.

now imagine that promptly followed by another EI related article right after it with a series of basic tutorials. Its a goldmine of publicity EI has never had on a "Consistent Basis"

I have been trying to get in touch with Brad to try and work something out, but we have not yet connected. Im thinking of such small compensation just to cover my time a little so, we'll see how he responds. It could be that EI is ----- and cant do anything. If thatsthe case, were in deeper doo doo than I ever knew. But in my business, I do this in a heartbeat. Name recognition on a national level is critical to keep the artistic community aware of the program we love, and what IT can do great!

any advice from anyone is appreciated.

Ian, if you read this, I respect you so much, but this is the way I believe is BEST for EITG to sell more seats of EI and up the level of traffic to the website. EI can work with me to make this an exciting reality, or just ignore a great opportunity, which will show all of us loyal users what to expect. A press release is NOTHING compared to what I have worked hard trying to arrange. Id like to share this opportunity with EI. Ill see if I am embraced or ignored........ Tune in later....

[ediris]

Hi Scott,
I will think they are not ready as a full package to deliver, not enough mature to be producing as they are used to small goups of people. But at the same time complaining they dont have any budget to get the neccesary tools.

Cant play in the big leagues asain or is there something else hidding from you?
Giving exposure will mean hire more porgrammers to deliver to a twice as big user base, do they really want this much?

So you see Scott that is what i have repeated EITG has always take things to carefull, not risking anything , secrecy publicity. Just put up a website and dont show their faces in any trade shows for 8 years so they are not ready to deliver.

Sorry if it wasnt too much of a help but i dont see why they couldnot agree to get your time worth. these type of publicity and exposure is what they have always complaing they dont have, wellnow they do and what do they have to say...¨1 out 20 of your emails are loud¨:) that to me is some funny s..t!!
Or either they are not ready to deliver as you see it in your mind or is not the right time to go for this type of exposure.

[scottfox]

Hi Edgard, I have not spoken with Brad on this yet, maybe tomorrow. I have a great opportunity to give incredible exposure to EI for months and months and even longer.
Id like to see if Brad is willing to contribute a minor monthly contribution in exchange for this major publicity, including ALL of EITG's products. They have told me they see me as the Expert they would want to write, review, demo, interview and showcase EIAS and more.
So the stage is almost set. It just will take more time for me to write and produce all this content every month, and I dont have the time to do all that work pro - bono.

We'll see. I hope people understand...

[ediris]

I mean take a look of the bone fall off example and you tell me if is a solid company?
I thnk the time is not right they have to produce a serious product, what the manual said should be a rule of thumbs. Now the manual says something the product is delivering something else.
We all know in theory and practice that always is like these with any product in the face of the earth.
:)

Is probably not the right time Scott. If you guys get a copy of Tesla you could give some expoure to these used with EIAS. That sounds a better idea. But to focus the atention on EIAS alone, i donot know!!

[splitpoint]

****Deleted - a big rant regarding whining about your tools****

The main point of what was deleted above:

So why do you guys keep coming back to EI? Seriously, I'd like to hear why you guys still use it.

I still use it because I can turn jobs around fast and get good quality renders without spending days tweaking settings. It has a good set of basic tools and it's easy/straightforward to use and there is a decent selection of plugin options available if you need to do something beyond the basics. I use other software too but EI has been so useful to me that I comeback to it for certain types of work.

[3DArtZ]

****Deleted - a big rant regarding whining about your tools****

The main point of what was deleted above:

So why do you guys keep coming back to EI? Seriously, I'd like to hear why you guys still use it.

I still use it because I can turn jobs around fast and get good quality renders without spending days tweaking settings. It has a good set of basic tools and it's easy/straightforward to use and there is a decent selection of plugin options available if you need to do something beyond the basics. I use other software too but EI has been so useful to me that I comeback to it for certain types of work.

yes, what you said.... but it still has more problems then the avg. software.
but yeah, I come back because what you said:)

[FelixCat]

Me too, but still loocking for some good solution for the CA problem. Definively it´s not EiAS, for a loooog time now.
Weeeell...
FelixCat

[DickM]

So why do you guys keep coming back to EI? Seriously, I'd like to hear why you guys still use it.

I can almost guarantee everyones answer .... Camera. Camera is the only thing keeping EIAS users around.

[ediris]

You Right RIchard Camera is keeping EIAS alive. I want to be able to Animate/Model in another app but i am waiting for Camera to be open to allow other appication acces it. Will it happened i donot know meantime i know they will come back some how.
To much history behind.

Cinema crys when you output to HD. I do not know about Lightwave, and Houdini HD looks pretty good too but is a bit complicated for my half brain. ;)

I dont think is too much of a problem i mean is not something they cant fix. Is aboslutely doable, they just dont seem to give a crapp. If they do well they dont show any interest.

What about the integration with Maya, is being long time since we have heard anything form this. I was looking at Lightwave it has some very nice animation capabilities built in it. No Mocca no BS. Just the core has just about aything you want to start with . SO i think i only think if EIAS gets a set of plugins and enhanced the CA features it will be competitive again.

[splitpoint]

64 bit Lightwave isn't bad, I've used it in the past Lightwave's render is nice. I really like the LWCAD plugin for modeling, it's snapping tools are really nice.

Currently I'm digging Houdini. Once you get some basic stuff figured out, like how to move the camera and how to change your context, it's actually pretty easy to use. The renderer is powerful and the output is nice. Version 9 is much easier to grasp than version 8 was. If I line up a gig that can cover the cost of a master license that is probably the direction that I'll go. Keep EI for the simple stuff and use Houdini for the more advanced stuff.

I had an interesting conversation with someone at the Colorado PXC meeting tonight. He's dealing with a renderman farm on 64bit systems and was saying it was choking on 8K textures. The current project that I'm working on in EI has a texture that's 8k x 12k and camera has no problem swallowing it up and rendering it all out to 1080p. Still some life left in camera for sure and I find it pretty amazing that it does this kind of stuff as a 32bit application.

[DickM]

The current project that I'm working on in EI has a texture that's 8k x 12k and camera has no problem swallowing it up and rendering it all out to 1080p. Still some life left in camera for sure and I find it pretty amazing that it does this kind of stuff as a 32bit application.

Yes, for sure. Camera is a beast! :buttrock:

A camera module for C4D or Maya would be awesome!! If not, some kind of format like FBX but that would bring in vertex caching and textures so what you had in Maya, XSI, etc... would come into EI perfectly. Then render out to camera. Another possible approach and probably a more likely one. :bounce:

[ediris]

Take a look at the work by Matt Drummond in the Animator page on the EITG site , besides other artist like Tomas , Gust-Aspens Studios,etc. That is the kind of thing i want to be doing is possible organic animation inside EIAS . The thing is that you have to spend a bit of money in getting those plug ins, and some knowledge of scripting.

So you see, when you get EIAS people have to know what can they achive with these tool right out of the box with some of these plug ins included

Improve the character animation, Hidden Plugin,and Mesh,include a few plug ins . and we are set my friend.

That is why i keep using EIAS, at least that us what i dreamed about. I dont like MEL neither Xpresso.

I find Xpreesopnist quite useful but by far more complicated than Xpresso,at least it looks like it is .
If they put some type of nodes system , visually appealing. I might understand it one day. ;)

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