MAXON @ Siggraph 2008

[spirozero]

I dreamt last night that Maxon announced R11 at Siggraph. It was huge - new AR, new dynamics module, and "72 new features" added to Mograph.

Seriously. No joke.

I awoke before I could find out more.

I'm such a nerd. :blush:

[ilay]

stop dream, think real and get unbiased phys.render like [c]indigo (with multilight-like features now) :)))
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Good news Rick, thanks! :)

[Horganovski]

I know everyone's excited by the possibility of R11, but am I the only one hoping for a 10.6 update?

It seems to me that we've been waiting quite a while for a bugfix point upgrade to fix some niggles like the cloth collision bugs etc. It would be very dissapointing to me if the only update possible from 10.5 is another paid one.

Cheers,
Brian

[ThirdEye]

I can't make it, but my advice to everyone here is: get there if you can, this is gonna be huge.

[LucentDreams]

Guys if you can't make it PLEASE post a question or two on the Cineversity forum so that we have a good list of questions for the world wide user group meeting. Even if you can't be there it seems like a good way to get a question answered officially by Maxon.

And if you can come make sure to RSVP.

[marshalartist]

Can you tell me now what's new in Version 11 as I will be away on Holiday when Siggraph is on, thanks

: )

[AkaKico]

Caaaan't wait!

[RayDale]

I can't make it, but my advice to everyone here is: get there if you can, this is gonna be huge.

Hmm, looks like I'll be putting some money aside over the next 2 months for the R11 upgrade.

Now the anticipation starts :D

[JoelOtron]

I say this every year--I really want to be there but it never works out. Theres a "slim" chance I can make it this year. I guess we'll see.

I hear Nigel Tufnel will be introducing the Maxon Keynote.

[iTHiNK]

I hear Nigel Tufnel will be introducing the Maxon Keynote.

Why don't you just make 10 louder?

[ecore]

I know everyone's excited by the possibility of R11, but am I the only one hoping for a 10.6 update?

It seems to me that we've been waiting quite a while for a bugfix point upgrade to fix some niggles like the cloth collision bugs etc. It would be very dissapointing to me if the only update possible from 10.5 is another paid one.

Cheers,
Brian
Totally agree with you, the cloth drive me crazy.

[LucentDreams]

totally off topic but the cloth issue is the simplest of fixes point cache and it all works 100% peachy.


Again guys even if you can't come if you have questions start posting them otherwise only those who are there will get to know what they want.

as mentioned we plan to film the event and host videos from it on cineversity so if you ask the questions they could be answered for you.

[danb]

What is this bug issue? I don't see it.

[ecore]

What is this bug issue? I don't see it.
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=47&t=624066&highlight=cloth+bug

[okazaky]

I can't make it, but my advice to everyone here is: get there if you can, this is gonna be huge.

Sounds like R11 and much news about the upcoming movie (http://www.einnews.com/pr-news/10276-indigo-son-productions-and-vital-distraction-announce-animated-film-production) :bounce:

[soccerrprp]

I logged on and tried posting questions at the Cineversity site, but it tells me that I do not have permission to post. Please don't tell me that I have to be a paid subscriber member to post questions...

Richard


EDIT: Okay, so the key is not to log-in then I can submit questions.

[ChrisCousins]

I know everyone's excited by the possibility of R11, but am I the only one hoping for a 10.6 update?

Certainly agree about 10.6 before R11 - a bit of both would be nice ;)

[seco7]

Guys if you can't make it PLEASE post a question or two on the Cineversity forum so that we have a good list of questions for the world wide user group meeting. Even if you can't be there it seems like a good way to get a question answered officially by Maxon.

And if you can come make sure to RSVP.

Hey Kai,

What kinds of questions are you fielding? Technical, how-to's, product planning?

Thanks,

Steve

[51M0N]

What a coincidence, I was just thinking how excited I am about hearing what comes next for C4D in Siggraph, and here's a thread waiting for me to share my enthusiasm.
I really can't wait for it, I wish I could visit!

[LucentDreams]

Hey Kai,

What kinds of questions are you fielding? Technical, how-to's, product planning?

Thanks,

Steve


Pretty much all, I mean Rick and I will be able to answer how to's, although do keep in mind for how to's that really indepth long answer ones might not be the best for the show format, but if they are to long and indepth we can look at making them into video tutorials as well.

You'll have the product manager one of the core programmers, and some of the CEO's, so every area should be somewhat answerable. I can't guarantee that they'll necessarily give you the indepth answer you want, but the more varied the better imo.

The first person to post some, posted some interesting questions Plans in regards to working with educators, that is a great set of questions. Things about how we plan to handle things like educating users in other ways, support plugin developers are great kinds of things too.


Keep in mind people who actually can come will be able to ask questions there too, this is just to make sure that if people are "shy" or whatnot and don't ask questions we'll have other good ones to answer, and we can answer these quickly and easily as we'll be able to find the ansers out ahead of time.

[ThePriest]

Just out of interest, has maxon announced future releases prior to Siggraph, or is it usually during the event?

[SilverCity]

Even if you can't make it to the show, you can still participate by submitting your questions (http://www.cineversity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=969) before the event. Stay tuned to cineversity.com (http://www.cineversity.com) during and after the show - we hope to highlight some presentations at the show and provide video from the WWUG.

Rick Barrett
MAXON USA
Will we need to be paid members to view these highlights on Cineversity?

I also seem to recall that Maxon doesn't necessarily time their updates to debut at Siggraph, so we may see R10.6/R11 before or after that conference?

[LucentDreams]

no, the videos will be free on Cineversity, there's already 250+ free tutorial videos on there. Any public presentations like this show and our recent adobe integration tour are made freely available on Cineversity.


And as you say SilverCity, Maxon is known for not releasing products at shows, i mean we did for the mograph module at NAB which was 9.6. R10 and 10.5 were both announced and released outside of trade shows.

[Ernest Burden]

Certainly agree about 10.6 before R11 - a bit of both would be nice ;)

R11 can include all of the 10.6 updates.

I will be at Siggraph almost certainly (meaning I'll be in LA that week and have tickets for the show T-W-Th), the only issue would be if family comes up with more exciting things to do that can't work around the convention. By the way, using the code from Maxon didn't help in getting the passes. Oh, well. I paid for them.

The after-eventlooks fantastic, I will really try to attend.

[ChrisCousins]

R11 can include all of the 10.6 updates.

Sure it can - I'm just curious if there's actually going to be a 10.6...

[Ernest Burden]

I meant 'skip the middleman'.

[popedead]

I all nigths dream "AR 3, first full accelerated GPU native render with 50x seedbump"
:twisted: GPU super power is future.

[Other3DMaster]

I think it is time for Srek to change his avatar with a new hat picture, some sort of head covering that would give us a hint of things to come. :D

[Srek]

some sort of head covering that would give us a hint of things to come. :D

Bald? Me? Ahhhhhhhh

[JoelOtron]

I think I can see something in there when I zoom in...
http://www.betatronstudios.com/momo/ad2.gif

[Jannis]

I think I can see something in there when I zoom in...
http://www.betatronstudios.com/momo/ad2.gif

Man, I heard about it but could not believe it. But seeing is believing!!!

[Ernest Burden]

I think I can see something in there when I zoom in...

Oh, god. I think I just had this nightmare where...man, I don't even want to talk about it. Some scary stuff.

I need a drink.

[SilverCity]

Oh, god. I think I just had this nightmare where...man, I don't even want to talk about it. Some scary stuff.

I need a drink.
How does this grab you...,

http://www.architosh.com/news/2008-07/0707_apple-buy-nemetschek.html

[brammelo]

How does this grab you...,

http://www.architosh.com/news/2008-07/0707_apple-buy-nemetschek.html
It doesn't, actually. In order to buy something, there needs to be someone willing to sell. Check the shareholder structure of Nemetschek AG, and you'll realize the article is mainly speculation. Summer time...

But of course, in the light of Siggraph, we might be confronted with Bacon inc. taking over NAG. Resistance is futile! ;)

[Srek]

There is not a single year going by without at least one of those rumours popping up. One year it's Adobe, next Intel then Apple, before that Sony. The only interesting thing about the rumours is what fanatasy pops up this time :)

Cheers
Björn

[JoelOtron]

mine was just a tongue and cheek random guess. I asked myself what was the worst thing that could possibly happen to maxon, and there you have it. :)

[SilverCity]

There is not a single year going by without at least one of those rumours popping up. One year it's Adobe, next Intel then Apple, before that Sony. The only interesting thing about the rumours is what fanatasy pops up this time :)

Cheers
Björn
I would actually be extremely upset if any company bought Maxon. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I just happened to notice that article on another site just 5 minutes after reading this thread. And, there is an interesting interview with the CEO of Nemetschek USA with some nice mention of C4D.

[Other3DMaster]

Bald? Me? Ahhhhhhhh

Sure, as long as you've tattooed the feature list of v11 all over your skull. :buttrock:

[ThirdEye]

Sure, as long as you've tattooed the feature list of v11 all over your skull.

Not sure Bjoern's head is that big, i'm sure whenever Maxon will think about making a v11 the feature list won't fit there ;)

[Other3DMaster]

Not sure Bjoern's head is that big, i'm sure whenever Maxon will think about making a v11 the feature list won't fit there ;)

What about a full body tattoo? Excluding private areas of course. :D

[WillBellJr]

What about a full body tattoo? Excluding private areas of course. :D

"...These ain't tattoos, BOY!, they Ill-uh-stray-shones!..." - Rod Steiger, The Illustrated Man (http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi2391671065/)

[Ernest Burden]

What about a full body tattoo? Excluding private areas of course. :D

That's for the Easter Egg list.

Can we just get back on track and discuss Siggraph fun?

[ilay]

That's for the Easter Egg list.

Can we just get back on track and discuss Siggraph fun?

no, Srek's body-art 2008 by BodyPaint and TP :)))
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How many cinema4d-funs will be?

[Srek]

no, Srek's body-art 2008 by BodyPaint and TP :)))
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How many cinema4d-funs will be?

No chance, the only body modification i made for CINEMA 4D was blue hair for the R8 release :)

Now please back on track, there is nothing to see here :)

Cheers
Björn

[Other3DMaster]

No chance, the only body modification i made for CINEMA 4D was blue hair for the R8 release :)

Now please back on track, there is nothing to see here :)

Cheers
Björn

Fair enough. :) :D Back to dreams of Siggraph and the goodies to come.

[DaveA]

At the Power Integration Tour in Boston, I did hear Paul Babb mention of a new tool in the next release of C4D that will "do projection mapping in one click". Not sure what that means unless it also automatically builds the background geometry based on the image being projected. He said it will be amazing.

Nevertheless, who am I to argue. I like to be amazed. Maybe we will learn more at Siggraph.

3D-Pangel

[ThirdEye]

unless it also automatically builds the background geometry based on the image being projected. He said it will be amazing.

I doubt it'll build any geometry if it's a projection tool.

[automat]

At the Power Integration Tour in Boston, I did hear Paul Babb mention of a new tool in the next release of C4D that will "do projection mapping in one click". Not sure what that means unless it also automatically builds the background geometry based on the image being projected. He said it will be amazing.

Nevertheless, who am I to argue. I like to be amazed. Maybe we will learn more at Siggraph.

3D-Pangel

I think he was talking about the Projektionman (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=281818) from the Produktionbundle, hopefully it will find his place in the next release of c4d.

[Slider7]

One thing I would love to see in the next update or release is full Collada support.
Hell even a proper plugin would do :)

[JackMcRip]

Nobody knows is a new Version at Siggraph 2008 and nobody nows a price if it comes.

My Idea is, maybe maxon can make a special price reduce for user, that order the next version bevore it is publish!
It' s a good idea for reward faithful user ;-)

[JoelOtron]

Nobody knows is a new Version at Siggraph 2008 and nobody nows a price if it comes.

My Idea is, maybe maxon can make a special price reduce for user, that order the next version bevore it is publish!
It' s a good idea for reward faithful user ;-)

Thats sort of how max and maya work--you pay a yearly subscription and you get the new releases as soon as they are ready.

I actually prefer maxons way of doing things.

[Knotian]

Alibre (cad ) does that and couples it with support. If you prepay you get phone support and the next version at a discount.
Ed

[Navstar]

I really don't want to pay a yearly fee for the honor of practically leasing software.

[LucentDreams]

through history Maxon has typically offered a small grace period where if you bought the app prior to release you were upgraded for free. They've done this as far back as I can remember.

[Srek]

I really don't want to pay a yearly fee for the honor of practically leasing software.
For you as a single customer thats usualy not a usefull option. It's different for corporate customers. Imagine to have to fight bureaucracy for every small upgrade you need compared to fighting one time for a software service contract.
Service contracts have their place, they are only bad if they are forced on every customer regardles if he needs or wants it.

Cheers
Björn

[Erik Heyninck]

Wise these words are.
To JackMcRip: I mean to remember that one could buy Cinema 8 before it was available. And at an introductory price.
Ahh..there' still so much in Ten that I never used yet...

[jackthegiantkiller]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for 10.6.

[Horganovski]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for 10.6.

I was hoping for that too, but I'm not holding my breath. With the amount of bugs in R10/10.5 it seems pretty poor form that there's only been one point update since R10.

Hopefully this isn't the way it's going to continue in the future, for studios I guess they are happy to pay for bugfixes/updates but for single users it makes life more difficult. You end up with two choices - live with the bugs you have now or pay for an upgrade and hope they fix the new (inevitable) bugs that will come with that.

I understand that no piece of software is bug free but it would be nice if Maxon took responsibility and released bug fix upgrades from time to time. What's the point of users reporting bugs if all you're really doing is providing free market research for the next paid version?:shrug:


Cheers,
Brian

[imashination]

So stop reporting them, then you get to keep them in the next version too.

[Horganovski]

Fair point, but that already happened with a couple when I upgraded to 10.5 despite me reporting them.. :sad:

Cheers,
Brian

[imashination]

Ok, ill stick a "might" in there then ;-)

[fluffouille]

it would be nice if Maxon took responsibility and released bug fix upgrades from time to time.
That's actually what they do after each major release. R10.111 was a free bugfix update, for example.

[Horganovski]

I guess 10.5 seemed major to me as I had to pay for it, I was only using the demo at the time but I remember there was a 9.1 and a 9.6 so I hoped there'd be at least one point update for each paid version. Silly things like the symmetry object ignoring polygon visibility settings surely can't take a couple of years to fix, but this hasn't worked properly since 9.6.

Again I'm sure big studios dont care, if this bug gets in their way they just dig out Modo or something and model in that, but little guys like me need a program they can get the whole job done in without tearing their hair out.. I would imagine that individual users and smaller studios were/are Maxons' core market, so it seems sensible to me that they should support these kinds of users with a reasonable amount of bug fix updates.

Cheers,
Brian

[castroman]

Silly things like the symmetry object ignoring polygon visibility settings surely can't take a couple of years to fix, but this hasn't worked properly since 9.6.



I believe you can still keep your old versions on the computer and do work in older versions. I still have my version 6 in there and do a lot of modeling in it.

[wiremuse]

Is Maxon going to record or stream the happenings at their booth and make them available? Or perhaps have the Q&A/Lectures posted up to Cineversity for those of us there?

[Per-Anders]

I guess 10.5 seemed major to me as I had to pay for it, I was only using the demo at the time but I remember there was a 9.1 and a 9.6 so I hoped there'd be at least one point update for each paid version. Silly things like the symmetry object ignoring polygon visibility settings surely can't take a couple of years to fix, but this hasn't worked properly since 9.6.

Again I'm sure big studios dont care, if this bug gets in their way they just dig out Modo or something and model in that, but little guys like me need a program they can get the whole job done in without tearing their hair out.. I would imagine that individual users and smaller studios were/are Maxons' core market, so it seems sensible to me that they should support these kinds of users with a reasonable amount of bug fix updates.

Cheers,
Brian

Unfortunately that's an oversimplifying of the situation, every version of C4D contains literally hundreds of bugfixes, each and every one "vital" for at least one person, and usually for many more.

For a bug to be fixed it has to be reported and then it gets prioritized, if a bug doesn't compromise app stability or final output then generally it's prioritized by the number of reports received, and how quick it would be to fix (as well as how little potential for creating new bugs in the process!). Unfortunately some bugs wont get killed with each release and as each release gets new bugs there's no guarantee that some bugs will even get fixed between multiple releases. Eventually it will get fixed (but there's no fixed date or version number on eventually yet) it's not a first in first out system and there's only so many hours in the day to code.

If you want to see a specific bug fixed more rapidly then you need to report it and make sure Maxon know how important it is to fix it for you.

[brammelo]

If you want to see a specific bug fixed more rapidly then you need to report it and make sure Maxon know how important it is to fix it for you.

Saying things like "Application XYZ doesn't have this bug, please don't make me switch" sometimes helps to prioritize certain things ;)

(after which MAXON replies: XYZ doesn't even has this feature, no wonder they don't have the bug! :hmm: )

[robodesign]

:lightbulb uhmm
when will sigrapph begin? ;)

[Srek]

The exhibition will open tomorrow
Cheers
Björn

[LucentDreams]

A Srek said all the excitement is tomorrow, today is the day where you get 10 techy cinema users/maxon employees standing in front of a screen going

"I dunno it sounds like its starting up but its not starting up"

"Well it is starting up but theirs something wrong with the monitor wiring"

"well when I plug it into that PC then it all works"

"well its definitely running"

"geeze that systems loud I can hear it from our booth, whats it got, a 240 horse power engine?"

"no its just really hot in there"

Oh yeah insert random guy or girl in some funky mocap suit walking buy dancing funnily and having a retarded grin at this point.

[Walli]

great;-)
It´s really like that, I have seen it some years ago ;-) And don´t forget to mention that Maxon crew has to yell at each other all the time, because the booth neighbour with funny Mocap suits has much louder speakers ;-)

[Srek]

And don´t forget to mention that Maxon crew has to yell at each other all the time, because the booth neighbour with funny Mocap suits has much louder speakers ;-)
I think this time it's that scary thing resembling a computer thats drowning out all the voices ;)

[seco7]

When will the links be up on Cineversity? I was hoping to post a couple questions and see what was going on at the Maxon booth.

[Troyan]

First day of Siggraph I was expecting all sorts of giddy exciting reports of what Maxon is unveiling. Anyone seen anything?

[Tony-de-Peltrie]

The exhibit hall opens tomorrow. There were some classes, some panel discussions, some "Birds of a Feather" meetings today, and there will be some parties tonight.

I expect Maxon would prefer to announce anything new when they can generate crowds at their booth and actually demonstrate new features. So, maybe tomorrow...

[BUZZFX]

First day of Siggraph I was expecting all sorts of giddy exciting reports of what Maxon is unveiling. Anyone seen anything?

Me too! Does Maxon plan to unveil anything new. It's been a long time.

[brammelo]

Me too! Does Maxon plan to unveil anything new. It's been a long time.

No, nothing to see here. Now just move on, hush hush.

[Sneaker]

What time does it start? Is there a webcam / Webcast available for those who can't
just come over for a few hours to have a look?

-Michael

[castroman]

I think this time it's that scary thing resembling a computer thats drowning out all the voices ;)

I am assuming you need a big computer to show off the new ar3 with real time rendering ;)

[DELTAadmin]

I think today we will see a very sophisticated nla system and a very powerful new render engine. These two are the most missing features in the current version.

Everything above these would be very nice too.

[DELTAadmin]

Maxon stated recently that they get useful support from NVIDIA, this way I think AR3 with hardware accelerated rendering is not a fancy thing.

[Srek]

Maxon stated recently that they get useful support from NVIDIA,
Usefull support means that they act on problems we report within a usefull timespan, different to AMD/ATI.
Cheers
Björn

[DELTAadmin]

Usefull support means that they act on problems we report within a usefull timespan, different to AMD/ATI.
Cheers
Björn

Thanx for clearing

[okazaky]

Click me (http://blogs.digitalmediaonlineinc.com/ninjacrayon/entry/200808121)

I hope this is not a fake ;)

:bounce::bounce::bounce:

[automat]

Im in heaven c4d has become HIGHEND

Animation layers
New GI System
Renderman Connection
Collada
.....

[ChrisCousins]

Click me (http://blogs.digitalmediaonlineinc.com/ninjacrayon/entry/200808121)

I hope this is not a fake ;)

:bounce::bounce::bounce:

Must be a fake, they don't even mention node-based shader system...

[RayDale]

Lol...looks pretty realistic to me. Might be a press release waiting in the wings but unintentionally put live early?? It's a bit vague, but a lot of early press releases are.

Where did you get the link from Okazaky?

I think the only thing I am missing in that release is a new dynamics system, otherwise it is pretty much everything I could have asked for.

[automat]

I see two Maxon coworkers watching this thread so no comments? Srek ?? grundgedanke???

[okazaky]

Where did you get the link from Okazaky?


It was posted in a german C4D Community ;)

[sunmade]

Mac OS X 64 Bit !!!????

must be fake....although I hope it isn't!

heaven

[Walli]

Mac OS X 64 Bit !!!????
must be fake....although I hope it isn't!
heaven

Maxon has demonstrated several times, that they are fast when it comes to adapting C4D to new hardware (multithreading) or OS (WinXP64).

[Shademaster]

I see two Maxon coworkers watching this thread so no comments? Srek ?? grundgedanke???

Hm it must kinda suck for Maxon if this is true.

[brammelo]

Hm it must kinda suck for Maxon if this is true.

Well, if it's true, then the guy who published it is in even bigger problems. NDA's can be pretty hard to swallow if you violate them. So I really hope for this guy that his info is fake :D

[shtl]

Click me (http://blogs.digitalmediaonlineinc.com/ninjacrayon/entry/200808121)

I hope this is not a fake ;)

:bounce::bounce::bounce:

Fake or not, I can't wait anymore. OMFG i can't stand it anymore...

Just few more hours and we'll all be set.
I guess this thread is gonna be flooded in the mean time ! ^^

[Shademaster]

Well, if it's true, then the guy who published it is in even bigger problems. NDA's can be pretty hard to swallow if you violate them. So I really hope for this guy that his info is fake :D

Oooh! If THAT is the case he'd better brace himself!

[castroman]

Fake or not, I can't wait anymore. OMFG i can't stand it anymore...

I think you are not alone :)

It looks like something that was ripped off an official page from Maxon.

[okazaky]

It looks like something that was ripped off an official page from Maxon.

Yeah, it looks really "official" but I think this guy was allowed to post the information because nobody has closed this thread until now.

[RayDale]

Hehe, lots of people are viewing this forum now... just wait until the major part of the US come online later. The cat is well and truly out of the bag (if the article is true).

I am starting to feel sorry for the guy who wrote the article now if it's not intentional.

[Shademaster]

Yeah, it looks really "official" but I think this guy was allowed to post the information because nobody has closed this thread until now.

Well let's take it with a grain of salt then :). I'd be no good for Maxon if something premature came up and ruined an official announcement.

[ChrisCousins]

Well the guy whose name is on the blog is a pretty respectable operator, been in the game for a long time, so either it was an honest mistake or maybe Maxon are going for a bit of viral marketing ;)

Oooh! If THAT is the case he'd better brace himself!

[indeep]

When we'll know the truth from Maxon? i think in 2 days, the 14th, right?
Nice to hear about new lighting, I had to render in toon look to improve speed of my offspring video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an8m5wn0f-c

In 2 days we'll konw the TRUTH!

[spirozero]

Interesting find.

I'll be bummed if they don't come out with a revamped Dynamics module. Content, but still bummed.

[AAAron]

so either it was an honest mistake or maybe Maxon are going for a bit of viral marketing ;)

http://sony.broadcastnewsroom.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=480863

it´s contagious :D

[vbvcvj]

Click me (http://blogs.digitalmediaonlineinc.com/ninjacrayon/entry/200808121)

I hope this is not a fake ;)

:bounce::bounce::bounce:

No shader tree, I do hope it is not true. :D

[RayDale]

It's on Maxons site now!!

http://www.maxon.net/pages/dyn_files/dyn_htx/htx/welcome_e.html

[Kokosing]

The english site looks the same to me, but the German one clearly says something about R11.

W

[shtl]

Nope, "US" too...


I'm so exited ! :bounce:

[spirozero]

A doodle tool???

Wasn't Per working on something called "Doodle" a few years back?

[webb3d]

Pricing info doesn't seem to be up yet, I have my fingers crossed for it to be reasonable.

Looks like 3 different upgrades. Ack.

[Troyan]

Ok, it's real :) Yay!

[colibert]

its true its on the maxon page now,

[unseenthings]

No shader tree, I do hope it is not true. :D
While there's no shader tree... their C4D<->Renderman integration via CineMan tells me that they're doing heavy work under the hood on the materials (otherwise they couldn't load in renderman shaders and easily render them) -- so I suspect a shader tree is on the way... maybe in 11.5

[RickBarrett]

Just wanted to remind everyone once again about the WWUG tomorrow evening. Obviously now you can see what the inside scoop is all about. We'll be doing some different presentations than at the booth - showing some of the more technical features of R11 and features of special interest to existing users. If you're in the LA area, you might try to catch the last hour of the show and then come on over to the WWUG.

Also - it's not too late to submit your questions for our Q&A session at:
http://www.cineversity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=969

Oh, and there's pizza.

[SilverCity]

Really wish I could be there. I'd like to read some feedback of some of the attendees there at the Maxon presentation.

Now..., this can't be true. Is Maxon really a cult?;-)

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