RealFlow and Shave and a Haircut

[ThirdEye]

Wait for Shave 2.0 ;)

[pit]

Last I heard S&H update will not be free - about 50$, which is pretty cool for what you get! Shave does need some time to get into - but what doesn´t? And yes, works very well with cinema. Only "limitation" I can think of right now, with the present version, is you have to use Release 7 hypernurbs.

[poserpro]

both are great, and not too hard to learn.

[flingster]

know absolutely nothing about realflow and not seen anything posted on here about it.

shave i love...not really knowledgable about it though...but its so much fun. I would also hold off on buying shave at moment as V2 is due...and sounds like it will be a cheap upgrade...fingers crossed. One thing is you need to be a bit of a hairdresser to get really good results...but in terms of material and look of the hair...very very good.

let us know how you get on with realflow though...:thumbsup:

[Thalaxis]

From what I've heard, some of the new features will make styling hair a LOT easier.

[Kotayus]

the only person i am aware of that uses realflow is poser pro from renderosity...but then again what cant poser do?

here is an image that poser made a while ago.

[Creature]

Hey, I just found out that there is a demo for RealFlow on their webpage. I missed that until now. Seems as if that's going to answer a lot of questions :D

[handige_harrie]

RealFlow (demo) user reporting in :wavey:.

Great software, although not to easy to get realistic results. Takes a lot of trial and error.

http://members.home.nl/hcgl.hermans/glasanimatie4.avi
http://members.home.nl/hcgl.hermans/glas+water_art_4h20min.jpg

[ysd]

He Harrie,

amazing stuff you did with your water filled glass! It's exactly the look I've always tried to achieve with flowing liquids. I've tried before with particles and a metaball object, but it never attained the realism you got.

Care to share your method you used for the glass? That would really make my day.


cheers

PS I downloaded demo version of realflow also.

[mirageacg]

Don't buy realflow yet, there is an unconfirmed rumor i have recieved from a very reliable source that it will become integrated into r9. And as for usage, it is an amazing program, which i use all the time, if you have questions about it just give my an email.

[ysd]

Well for a rumor, that is a nice rumor!

thanks for your help, mirage. I'll certainly email you. Will give a go at realflow later this week.

cheers

[michaeli]

Originally posted by mirageacg
Don't buy realflow yet, there is an unconfirmed rumor i have recieved from a very reliable source that it will become integrated into r9. And as for usage, it is an amazing program, which i use all the time, if you have questions about it just give my an email.

Really? :eek:

[Srek]

Originally posted by michaeli
Really? :eek:
Yes, it's realy an unconfirmed rumour ;)

Real Flow will NOT be part of the next CINEMA release and thats not a rumour.

Cheers
Srek

[flingster]

Originally posted by Srek
Yes, it's realy an unconfirmed rumour ;)

Real Flow will NOT be part of the next CINEMA release and thats not a rumour.

Cheers
Srek

LOL...what even if we beg...heh heh...please:p :rolleyes:

[mirageacg]

Originally posted by Srek
Yes, it's realy an unconfirmed rumour ;)

Real Flow will NOT be part of the next CINEMA release and thats not a rumour.

Cheers
Srek

So how many maxon employees have to talked to recently?

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by mirageacg
So how many maxon employees have to talked to recently?

He works for Maxon.

[AdamT]

Originally posted by ThirdEye
He works for Maxon.
Safe to say if Srek don't know about it it ain't happening.

[MJV]

Originally posted by AdamT
Safe to say if Srek don't know about it it ain't happening.

Maybe someone forgot to send Srek (trumpet fanfare) THE MEMO!:cool:

[Ric535]

i reckon he's bluffing

i also heard a rumour zbrush is gonna be intergrated into R9 :scream:

[dfaris]

I wish they would get V9 out the door already with much improved animation tools and whatever else they have in store so that all this speculation would end and I can animate in c4d instead of other apps.

What the normal time frame Maxon has been releaseing new versions anyway?

[Per-Anders]

why the rush? i don't think people have fully explored v8.5 yet, and who knows maxons updating policy, even with regards that. (personally i say give them as much time as possible and make a kicking release rather than rush for something lack lustre).

we don't even know what r9 is going to have in there, let alone if it's going to have any new or improved animation tools. remember that v8 was (i thought) the animation release.

all we know for certain is that it's not going to have realflow in it :shrug:

[danb]

Yeah whats the hurry. 8.5 is pretty awesome as it is.

[dfaris]

mdme_sadie,

I agree give them as much time as they need to get out a kick butt release. But trying get some character animation done in C4D right now is a bit more difficult then it needs to be. Thats all I'm saying. I like to use one app for modeling and animating but I use messiah right now for the animating part because it just easy.

[danb]

dfaris have you used the Messiah/Cinema connection? What are your thoughts on it.

I find it very finnicky. At first it worked ok. Then after many uses i started to have stability problems.

[FrozenSun]

Maybe if we start a pledge form or such Realflow will be in R9 ;)
Realflow is one awesome package.

But i will agree 8.5 is good as it is right now, so simply let some people grasp it and then maybe Maxon can release R9.





-frozensun

[dfaris]

Originally posted by danb
dfaris have you used the Messiah/Cinema connection? What are your thoughts on it.

I find it very finnicky. At first it worked ok. Then after many uses i started to have stability problems.

Yes I have used it a lot. I found it finnicky when I didn't know what I was doing. Once I knew how it worked and what I was doing its is pretty stable. I found that if you try to load it into messiah then go back and try and change the mesh it would crash.

[MJV]

Originally posted by dfaris
Yes I have used it a lot. I found it finnicky when I didn't know what I was doing. Once I knew how it worked and what I was doing its is pretty stable. I found that if you try to load it into messiah then go back and try and change the mesh it would crash.

Any work rendered in Cinema and animated in Messiah that you can show?

[dfaris]

yes I can scratch something up but noplace to post it. I can look and see if I can find a place. I will let you know. Also have to check out what would be ok to show.

[Srek]

Originally posted by mirageacg
So how many maxon employees have to talked to recently?

About twenty on a daily basis ;)
Not counting my cats working as freelance mice hunter for Maxon.

As for R9, it's a bit early to talk about it i think. Please keep in mind that 8.5 has just happened and that the over all functionality of CINEMA has increased dramaticaly with R8 which makes it hard to keep the same short development cycle as before.
The major problem here is that R9 will need a good codename so we are motivated to put some effort in it and get it on the road ;)
Cheers
Srek

[mirageacg]

Darnit, then it was just a rumor, my friend deals a lot with you guys and i guess he picked up this rumor somewhere. Although Srek, tha twould be awesome if it was incoporated, but the licensing fee alone probably would kill maxon's amazing prices. And props for R8.5!!! (hehe from now on i will just PM you first with any "big" rumor i pick up)

[Creature]

Codename R9: Ennea ;)

[Byla]

Yeah, realfow, syflex already integrated, hardware render, better deformers (like clusters in Maya), better rigging system (copy Hash for godsake!) and structural material editor (tree structure) and everything should be sweeet as!

[Siddhy]

I wonder why noone came up with codename suggestions like Codename R9: ngons or Codename R9: real NURBS :applause:
Just kidding :)

On a sidenote: Has it ever happened or is it thinkable (and profitable for the authors) that extremely useful plugis like MS are integrated in a future release?

No, i'm not payed by 3rd Party :)

[Srek]

Originally posted by Siddhy
On a sidenote: Has it ever happened or is it thinkable (and profitable for the authors) that extremely useful plugis like MS are integrated in a future release?

No, i'm not payed by 3rd Party :)

It happened with SLA and it took years to realy integrate it in CINEMA. Over all Maxon is very reluctant to include plugins in the core, if alone for stability reasons.
Also plugins tend to have a different workflow/desing then CINEMA itself and we do like a homogenous interface very much. Other apps bundle many plugins by default or make them a part of the app and it shows :/
Cheers
Srek

[raycerx]

Srek, thats a very good point. I think that for the sake of stability and price the idea of taking the right amount of time to develope 'the next big thing' is the right phylosophy to take. I for one am pleased with the programs progress, from r6 to r8.5.... Cinemas strength ( among a great many others) is its rock hard stability and 'consistant' interface...
That being said, because all the other releases have been so good one cant help but be very excited for the prospects of whats to come next.
Fanboy over and out...

[danb]

[i]
That being said, because all the other releases have been so good one cant help but be very excited for the prospects of whats to come next.
Fanboy over and out... [/B]

No pressure at all Maxon. Hehe.:thumbsup:

[AdamT]

Well R8 was code-named "Oxygen", so for R9 ... "Nitrous Oxide"? :)

[Venkman]

We all know that as soon as 9 comes out (be it next week or next year) we will INSTANTLY start to speculate what will be in the next release!

Whether or not we do it on the boards is one thing, but as soon as I started learning 8.5 I speculated about 9- (ahem-CLOTH SIMULATION).

I have so much learning to do and a limited budget. I would love if they waited and just made it an ass kicking result.

[Thalaxis]

Originally posted by Venkman

I would love if they waited and just made it an ass kicking result.

That's in their best interests from a business point of view anyway, since the 3D marketplace is so competitive. The last thing that Maxon is likely to do is let go of their reputation for solidity in order to get a release out the door quickly.

And I suspect that they won't want the same disappointment as NewTek got with LW8; in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Maxon cranked out a few point releases for 8.5 with new features just to one-up NewTek a little bit ;)

There is one thing that I would like Maxon to hurry up about though, which is the texture system.

As far as code-names go... how about Tri-Nitro Toluene?

(It's more stable than nitrous oxide, but likes oxygen just as much :D.)

:beer:

[anobrin]

I heard from a guy whose roomates cousins ex brother inlaw
who was "closely associated "with a former maxon consultant , that
maxon is buying softimage XSI and releasing as a plugin for R9
Code name:"bridesmaid"

:D

[Erik Heyninck]

Lysergic acid diaethylamide perhaps.

Melts you head.
And all the rest.

[dfaris]

Originally posted by MJV
Any work rendered in Cinema and animated in Messiah that you can show?

MJV,
Well I dont have anything that I did that I can show you yet. But I did render (in C4D) out a sample file that comes with Messiah if you want to see that. Its 900k and I would need a place to post it or I could send it to you. its a MOV file.

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