diving into MOCCA :)

[mimo8]

hi tronic bob!

like your anim of the little guy pushing a box. I think this shows very good where to start when getting into boned animation / soft ik.

when I started to play arround with it (still in this stadium : ) my first character was way too complex. it was an old man fully textured with many details taking a dog for a walk ... impossible ... at the end I thought I´ll stay with stills!

but getting back to the start, reading the tutorials once aggain and using a very basic character brought back fun into my life as a animator little allien anim test (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56262)

so let´s keep on enjoying the world of the little movements.... at the moment I´m working at a toon character, taking much care that it has something "strange" or lets say exaggerated to make his movements and the walkcircle also excessive so not to get to close to the "real" human moves

[flingster]

they are both great examples...both very cute and with lots of character for test examples....good work both of you.

as for learning mocca...i must.. must...spend more time on this..
don't suppose you have link for this "Cactus Dan's tut" you talk about do you...:thumbsup:

[mimo8]

"Cactus Dan's tut"
don´t know that ... sorry

thnx 4 tha flowers

[Wilson-3d]

Hi. I think it is a great start. Great character to be doing animations with. Bending him a little at the waist with his torso angled toward the box and some more bend in the elbos would give the box more wieght. Sometimes on tests though (for me at least) after the first pass its finished and you are off to another. And hey perhaps its a light box. I would try to get the balls of his feet bending on the next one. That is the only thing that sticks out a lot. Great Start!:airguitar

[bobtronic]

hi guys,

thanks for comments.

mimi8: I am downloading your little movie - will comment
later

as for the Cactus tutorials - it seems there are some
trouble with Cactus homepage. here is the thread:

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=63274


be happy, Bob

[JIII]

Cactus dan has exceeded his bandwidth limit so don't expect to see his stuff till at least june 1st.

unless yo wanna save a poor cgtalk brothas bacon and host up file fo him flingster.

ohh yeah and great animation bob thats really nice.

(how is your self portrait going)

[LucentDreams]

hey bobtronic, nicelittle push, main issues, the back heel always goes down when the body comes backdown, just before the back foot lifts, thats kind of odd. Second, WHats in the box, cause man theres not a lot of force being put into pushing that box, seems empty. I"d exaggerate the pose really lean him in, don't lock the elbows have them bent a bit, he pushes n a bit thenpushes a lttle with arms, have him struggle at first before the box actually starts to move.

[flingster]

JIII: hey if he is having trouble i wanna read the tut...so get him to send me a zip file n make links relative should be fine...i'll upload it to flingster for him if he is fine with that?

[bobtronic]

hi again,

mimo8: I downloaded your alien-anim. Very funny :)
You picked up some fitting sounds.

JIII: thanks pal. As for my selfportrait - I have made
some further tweaks around the mouth and the cheeks.
I will post the result later in its own thread.

If Cactus has no objections I could temporary host
the tutorial files.


Bob

[bobtronic]

Hi Kai (cool rhyme :) ),

Thanks for your crits. I don't have some good references
for movings. It comes mostly from my imagination and
memories. Your points will sure help me.

Bob


PS. the box is empty - there will be many more boxes
he have to push :)

[JIII]

now all someone has to do is talk to cactus dan...

paging cactus dan where ever you are!

[AdamT]

Originally posted by JIII
now all someone has to do is talk to cactus dan...

paging cactus dan where ever you are!

CD's tutorial is now being hosted on the Cow: http://www.creativecow.net/articles/libisch_dan/soft_IK/index.html

[flingster]

ooh that tut...i posted a thread to something similar earlier..but the cactus one has been updated with how to get around issues he had with it...which is very useful.

the amount of stuff i've read on here the last two weeks about rigging and mocca is mind blowing..i should know it by now by default...but unfortunately i don't...so i really need to take time out from reading these forums and actually getting down to learning...i'm not a big animation person...i prefer to work in just stills...but i'm a great admirer of this stuff...

earlier link i posted...but dif thread...repost if anybody missed it..etc..
http://www.jam-digital.com/cow_challenges/challenge_1/rigging_the_mime.htm

[Cactus Dan]

Howdy,

I'm very sorry that my site went down. I wasn't aware that there was a monthly traffic limit.

Creative COW has agreed to host my tutorial on their site so that it will always be available. You can access it here:

http://www.creativecow.net/articles/libisch_dan/soft_IK/index.html

Again, I apologize for the site going down. The tutorial was only up for a week. I really didn't expect to get that much traffic.

Adios,
Cactus Dan

[JIII]

No need to apoligize buddy your providing a service to us. Not the other way round.

(Good to see a utahan in here)

[bobtronic]

Hi,

After some playing around with the Mime character
I discovered two new objects in the FinalAnim.c4d,
Left Knee.Up and Right Knee.Up. I searched the timeline
to see what they are for. I found out they are not
animated. So I am curious what are they for. My guess
is they are for simple resetting the Knee Goals or just
for orientation.

http://home.snafu.de/bobtronic/knee_up.jpg

Has anybody some other or better ideas about the
function of these objects.

Bob

[JIII]

hmm I think your right bob. because I can not find a value for them they don't seem to be tied to anything with an xpression, neither do they seem to carry a tag. so they must be used to help reset the system.

[LucentDreams]

Thos are the upvector targets, they control the rotation of at least the thigh bone ifnot shin too (been a while since I looked at the mime) you should see a blue line of where that knee up is connected to. Basically only the Y axis targets it

[JIII]

ohh the reason you and I cant really see whats goin on bob is because they have their visiblity turned off. turn it on and you will see it.

its just turned off the the visiblity thingy(forget its real name sorry).

[bobtronic]

Originally posted by Kaiskai
Thos are the upvector targets, they control the rotation of at least the thigh bone ifnot shin too (been a while since I looked at the mime) you should see a blue line of where that knee up is connected to. Basically only the Y axis targets it

No, no Kai,

The knee upvectors are called Left Knee and Right Knee
in the Mime. Besides they are in a upper hierachy.
What makes me so wonder is "Left and Right Knee.Up"
seems to have no function (no animation, no upvectors
no expression).

Bob

[bobtronic]

Originally posted by bobtronic
The knee upvectors are called Left Knee and Right Knee
in the Mime.

What am I talking. The knees don't have upvectors but
only goals (Left Knee and Right Knee).

But still the question: What are Left Knee.Up and Right
Knee.Up for ?

Bob

[Stray]

They are what point the knees. Move those targets laterally and you will see what I mena. Make sure autoredraw is on and that use soft ik is selected.

-D

[Stray]

Oh wait, your are right.

What the hell do those thigs do?

Are they in the tutorial? maybe it is a screw up....

-D

[LucentDreams]

sigh I dont' even have the mime rig anymore, so I'm not sure, but I am pretty sure they are upvecotrs for either the thigh or the shin (or both) a Nkee effecto wouldn't need an upvector, the knee goal is a seperate object grom the knee upvector, and they do two sperate things, on controls the aim of the knee (its rotation plane) and the other controls the bones Y so the bone doesn't flip.

[bobtronic]

Kai, the objects I am talking about exist only in
the FinalAnim.c4d file. They are not upvectors for
sure. I have searched all SoftIK tags, the thigh and
shin too. If you like look in the FinalAnim file on the CD.

I don't want to bother you, I am just curious.
I am a beginner in case of character animation.
So I try to learn as much I can from tutorials and
the help I can find in such nice forums.

Bob

[LucentDreams]

well I not too sure, perhaps they were left on from an earlier test, I'dcheck the file, but I dont' get the cd's liek you guys do. Heck I still have to wait until I have some income so I can finally get some manuals shipped from maxon.

[bobtronic]

for clear things a bit I have uploaded some
screenshots.

the bones hierachy:
http://home.snafu.de/bobtronic/mocca/bones.jpg

the Right Knee object and its moving:
http://home.snafu.de/bobtronic/mocca/r_knee.jpg

the Right Knee.Up and its not-moving:
http://home.snafu.de/bobtronic/mocca/r_knee_up.jpg

all objects are visible for the viewport

If the Right Knee.Up is a upvector than of what
object. There are no upvector constraints in the
thigh or shin SoftIK tag.

Bob

[LucentDreams]

looking at that pic, looks like it might have been for the shin, but then later disconnected.

[bobtronic]

I had some fun with animating my doll
last night.

http://home.snafu.de/bobtronic/mocca/play_ball.mov


have fun, Bob

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