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rei-chan
05-30-2008, 09:41 PM
hi all,

i've been trying to get into Painter X but im having little luck. setting up brushes is driving me nuts, im wondering should i simply stick to opencanvas? i noticed the line uglyness when you zoom beyond 100% can anyone tell me if painter is worth the work?

all im looking for is
a simple sketching pencil for rough drawing
a good inking pen
a simple flat coloring brush
and finally a simple airbursh or something to handle the finer details like skin tone and highlights

all the above i specficially want for manga style work. painter's complexness is starting to give me a headache, i know its a good program but if someone could just help out a little ^^ i'd be greatful

cya all

evanfotis
06-01-2008, 04:59 PM
Why did you invest in Painter X then in the first place?
If you want something simple, just use OC, Art Rage or Painter Essentials.
Painter X has all these options for those who want to go in and change all the parameters.
Nontheless you can still use its preset brushes or create your own brush library with 3 or 5 basic brushes which you will be using.
There is no need to dig in the menus, just pick your brush from your minimal custom library and draw away.

kraal
06-02-2008, 02:19 AM
yes i always wonder why people use software and not like it and then complain that is is not as good as what they have been using.... the short answer to your question is use what works. if open canvas does what you need it to do then use it.... however if you have a specific question or task for painter then ask. buy at this point i say yes stick with open canvas

workbench
06-02-2008, 03:58 PM
http://www.systemax.jp/sai/

Get it, it's better than OC and Painter for skeching, doesn't crash or corrupt files nor is it buggy or has any color artifacts, for "manga style" and cartooning it's excellent.

As for Painter, I made a good aliased brush that's excellent for flatting but if you rely on Corel's default brushes you'll go nowhere since they are all gimmicly to show off Painter brush engine, I laught at their amateur attempt at making a 2B pencil, I made one that actually looks like graphite compared to real pencil lines scanned.

You can do "manga style", Hyung Tae Kim uses Painter 6.1 as well as a few other like Takamichi.

rei-chan
06-03-2008, 12:00 AM
i might have worded my inital post wrong. im not mad at painter im just a little frustrated at how hard it is sometimes to find suitable tutorials that allow me to learn the program. i love the brush creator but im finding it hard to fully understand some of the options that it uses. yes OC i know backwards but the reason i invested in painter was because i want to expand my artistic abilities with the wider range of brushes and tools painter has to offer.

tomt
06-03-2008, 04:35 AM
Curious, what does Japanese Yen convert to in US Dollars? I didn't see a US price listed.

Miguimau
06-03-2008, 09:51 AM
Where does your frustration come from?
Painter is complex at higher levels but you can be drawing with basic tools in seconds without any training!
First all, "Manga Style" is nothing . There is a myriad of different styles in Manga .On the other side you could draw just with a bunch of crayons and Painter is basically a digital can of all kind of awesome brushes. If you can draw, got a computer and a Wacom tablet, sky is the limit. Painter wonīt teach you how to draw and I assume you can read , so have a look at the Painter Help. There are lots of good manuals and books on advanced features too. Painter x Wow, etc
And there are many free tutorials in the Net as well. Google search: Corel Painter Manga (http://www.google.es/search?q=corel+painter+manga&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:es-ES:official&client=firefox-a)

And just a few of these tutorials found right now using Google:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://iradukai.com/
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/hikaru-n/kakikata/index.html
http://www.mangablog.es/page/36/ (in spanish)
http://www.corel.com/content/pdf/px/tutorials/premium_Jared_Hodges.pdf
http://apps.corel.com/painterix/training/tutorial_inking.html?trkid=tpc1006ft
http://www.mangarevolution.com/tutorial_display.php?tutorial_id=67
http://calabozodelandroide.com/2008/03/dibujar-anime-en-corel-painter-video.html
http://www.animepile.net/anime/Outputting_your_Digital_Art_from_Corel_Painter_E___.html
Enough said.


i noticed the line uglyness when you zoom beyond 100%

Painter is a raster based software (like Photoshop) and that is not a bug. Apparently you ought to know a little more about how painting digital apps work. Work under your desired resolution or use vector based applications like Flash, Illustrator, etc if donīt like to work in raster (bitmapped) formats.
You donīt need to mess with the brush creator: default brushes are excellent, there are plenty of them and is really very difficult to miss a way to do anything in Painter, at least if we are talking about Illustration and painting.

all im looking for is
a simple sketching pencil for rough drawing
a good inking pen
a simple flat coloring brush
and finally a simple airbursh or something to handle the finer details like skin tone and highlights

-2b pencil
-Pens>Scratchboard tool
-Oh well, there are lots of them. Any Liquid Ink, any Oil, any Acrylic. Apparently, manga Painter Illustrators use Tinting and Watercolors a lot, not only flat brushes..


-errr Any Airbrush

Have you spent some time reading the Help, exploring the menus, trying every brush? You donīt look like you did it.

Finally, Painter is one of the favs of many Manga creators (I inmediately recognize its touch in much manga illustration work ) but Painter did not show them how to draw, and it will be the same for you.
Iīm not a huge fan of Manga aside from the big masters we all know (Miyazaki on the first time) but one of my favorite illustrator is Haradaya (http://members3.jcom.home.ne.jp/u1h/) and he is certainly a Painter user. You could not find quality difference in this work from other similar artists drawing by hand or using Photoshop because software apps are just tools. Donīt forget it. If you find Painter hard , go for Art Rage or similar tools, I agree. But you will have to learn them too.

Good luck and work hard. You just give up too soon and the problems you mention are ... weird. They could apply to ANY existent digital art application.

Sorry for my rusty English. Iīm trying hard, as well. :)
And excuse my rudeness and the Just Do IT/RTFM approach I know I donīt sound polite but Iīm an Animation (and drawing) instructor and got sick of this kind of complaints . Oh well, you got the tools, just draw! But excuse me, again. :)


i want to expand my artistic abilities with the wider range of brushes and tools painter has to offer.

First all, draw and draw with the standard brushes. Then experiment.
There is no draw good manga button at Painter, that for sure.

workbench
06-04-2008, 12:24 AM
Curious, what does Japanese Yen convert to in US Dollars? I didn't see a US price listed.

You can use http://www.xe.com/ or just go with what Paypal mentions, it cost me around 30Euros, it's still a very early program but it has potential, doing custom brushes is tricky but I got around it. I really like the layer texture feature as well as the watercolor layer effect. The vector inking is also pretty neat. It complements Painter really well since I still like Painter's more robust brush engine as well as some of my Painter custom brushes.

For cartoon/manga inking I would go with Paint Tool SAI, it's the best one out there, no contest. The problem with inking on Painter is that the anti-aliasing is very slow when you activate the "draw average areas..." if you run it without it the aliasing is pretty mean for inking/pencil lines.

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