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RobertoOrtiz
05-25-2008, 02:20 PM
The "Nerd"
by
David Pride

You have 60 mn for your sketch. IF you go beyond the assigned time limit , you have to post WHATEVER you have done after the time has expired, along with the FINAL drawing.

Post only your FINAL piece on this thread, based on the topic on the thread.
Only final pieces can be posted on the thread. They must have been done AFTER the topic has been announced.
RESOLUTION : The image can have any aspect ratio up to 800 x 600
They can be done on any medium.
If you wish, you can add a brief text description about your piece.
Only original compositions. No "tributes" or plagiarizing, unless is it an integral part of the challenge.
You can post an entry at anytime for the topic presented on this thead BEFORE the voting thread for THE WEEK has been posted.
The artist also has to post total length of time it took and program used.
Any piece caught breaking the rules will be taken off the thread.
The topics will be picked at random from the list on the TOPICS thread >>LINK<< (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php/?t=145003)
(The author will be given credit). So guys keep them coming

damagecontrol
05-28-2008, 04:36 AM
60 mn, Painter, PS CS3, wacom

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/1166/nerdca5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dresse
05-28-2008, 09:06 AM
20 minutes. photoshop and wacom

http://users.pandora.be/Dresse/sketch/daily%20sketch/the%20nerd.jpg

JackZhang
05-28-2008, 04:18 PM
20 minutes. photoshop and wacom

http://users.pandora.be/Dresse/sketch/daily%20sketch/the%20nerd.jpg

k. there's a fine line between nudity and pornography. I for one find this piece visually disturbing. You can easily get away with two couples in bed hugging and kissing each other while the guy peaking at his laptop and still have a full expression.

I strongly suggest you to choose your topic and expression wisely. Even the art industry requires certain discipline.

Donglu-LittleFish
05-28-2008, 10:56 PM
Wanted to step away from my usual style, so tried some cartoon approach.
No photoshop for today, back to good old days :P
30 min: pencil, marker, oil pastel on paper.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm58/Donglu/Daily%20Sketch%20Forum/nerd.jpg

Dresse
05-29-2008, 07:12 AM
k. there's a fine line between nudity and pornography. I for one find this piece visually disturbing. You can easily get away with two couples in bed hugging and kissing each other while the guy peaking at his laptop and still have a full expression.

I strongly suggest you to choose your topic and expression wisely. Even the art industry requires certain discipline.

Sorry if you find it disturbing. It didn't really crossed my mind that some people may find it offensive... i usually just draw how it comes out without thinking about certain "rules"...

If more people find it not appropriate for this topic i will off course remove it... but personally i think in 'art' (not that this is art...) everything must be possible... :)

But you have a point that it's not necessary to reveal so much :)...

Memorial-Strife
05-29-2008, 02:30 PM
It is not my intention to butt in or anything but, I agree with JackZhang.
That image it's....not pretty.

Dresse
05-29-2008, 04:02 PM
normally i wouldn't change a thing, becouse i don't think that there should be boundaries in drawing, you should be free to draw annything you want...
But since it's Cgtalk here, and i'm not a regular poster here, i'll censure my image...

Sorry if i may have offended you guys... :hmm:

and about what you said: "Even the art industry requires certain discipline."
In my opinion, the only way you can connect art and discipline is that you need discipline to draw every day... Art is freedom of expressing yourself without boundaries...

Munashii
05-29-2008, 10:57 PM
I really don't want to flame but it seems like you're using your freedom of expression to get away with whatever you want, and mask bad taste. What exactly are you trying to express in this piece? There are other ways to imply that a nerd has to use the internet to find information that non-nerds can figure out themselves. I don't mean to say you shouldn't be drawing whatever you want, but I think I speak for everyone when I say nobody here wants to be seeing things like that, and now I have to look at it every time I come to this thread. There can be harmony between freedom and good taste, and that is where we all should be standing. I appreciate your willingness to at least censor the image, but please use discretion in the future... for the sake of my stomach. Also, please don't insult the freedom of these boards.

And here's my submission... I hope someone likes it

(hm the link thing didnt work the first time, but it worked in the preview...)
http://features-temp.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/313823/313823_1212101544_large.jpg

pitin
05-29-2008, 11:19 PM
boy.. sure are a bunch of uptight preachy ppl here. "good taste" is subjective... sry you got bullied into changing your drawing :))

JackZhang
05-30-2008, 04:22 AM
normally i wouldn't change a thing, becouse i don't think that there should be boundaries in drawing, you should be free to draw annything you want...
But since it's Cgtalk here, and i'm not a regular poster here, i'll censure my image...

Sorry if i may have offended you guys... :hmm:

and about what you said: "Even the art industry requires certain discipline."
In my opinion, the only way you can connect art and discipline is that you need discipline to draw every day... Art is freedom of expressing yourself without boundaries...

oh don't worry. i'm not flaming anything, or asking you to make any changes. I'm not even judging if the image is pretty or not. I was simply just pointing out that sometimes you don't have to go THAT far to get things done.

Everything has a boundary. Kicking on a locker after losing a soccer game is perhaps normal, yet go out and murder your opponent is definitly out of the boundary. Of course this is an extreme situation. I would agree that drawing has no boundary, even choosing your topic of what to draw has no boundary. However you do have to becareful with where to show it.

I would definitly laugh out loud if I see this image on your personal blog or msn space or facebook so and so. Yet seeing this work at a professional cg forum would make me doubt about this artist's judgement. After all, would you put this work in your portfolio when you go find a job in a regular cg studio or company? If not, think about why.

Once again, don't worry. I'm not that offended. My second job is teaching cg students. I guess it's kind of in my nature to give this "speech". I do hope it helps.

Dresse
05-30-2008, 08:41 AM
i understand your point of view...
But in my opinion... it's just sex.. :) and it's 2008...
And if this was a better drawing and fully colloured i would have no problem of putting it in my portfolio... But that's just me... I would also show my animated movies and there are people covered with shit and acid while being killed and all... some find it funny, some find it horrible and offending... if my future employer finds it offending, i'm sollicitating in the wrong place i think :)..

But i understand that cgtalk is populated with people from everywhere with all kinds of cultures and people with different believes than in my surroundings, so i will be more carefull next time!!

Annywayzzz... Lets sketch!

Munashii
05-30-2008, 12:32 PM
Allow me to observe that you're from Belgium, and while such a thing might be acceptable to your culture, it might not be in others. Please consider :)

RThomson
05-31-2008, 01:52 AM
Allow me to observe that you're from Belgium, and while such a thing might be acceptable to your culture, it might not be in others. Please consider :)

It does not matter where you are from. The internet isn't part of your culture, and art isn't always to everyone's tastes.

There is much more offensive art in the world, and much of it is very famous and popular.

Art may be offensive and crude, but it is NEVER unacceptable. And while you can always express your opinion, you can never decide for another artist that their work is wrong. Dresse has done nothing wrong, and has been very polite in censoring his piece.

My OPINION though, is that I don't really find it very amusing but I'm perfectly unoffended having seen it.

I wouldn't usually say anything in arguments like this, but you are all attacking him, it's unfair.


And munashi - You can never speak for everyone, there are clearly people who don't mind this kind of art. your opinions are your own, and so are everyone elses. lets keep it that way.

also Jack Zhang you are completely right :P I've got no issues with what you're saying.

shapemaster
05-31-2008, 12:50 PM
i find it also very disturbing ... not dresse's picture though, but how some people here react.

I really don't want to flame but it seems like you're using your freedom of expression to get away with whatever you want, and mask bad taste. What exactly are you trying to express in this piece? There are other ways to imply that a nerd has to use the internet to find information that non-nerds can figure out themselves. I don't mean to say you shouldn't be drawing whatever you want, but I think I speak for everyone when I say nobody here wants to be seeing things like that, and now I have to look at it every time I come to this thread. There can be harmony between freedom and good taste, and that is where we all should be standing. I appreciate your willingness to at least censor the image, but please use discretion in the future... for the sake of my stomach. Also, please don't insult the freedom of these boards.

i strongly disagree with you. Freedom of expression is exactly that: to express whatever you want. bad taste is not only subjective, but also a form of expression. it evokes disgust in you, so it did express smt, no?
i dont think you have the right to speak for all of us. who are u? god? how do u know nobody wants to see it? maybe there are people who like to see ugly men with boobies fingering grannies? can u speak for them? if you dont want to look at it, then dont click on this thread, or do you have to check every minute if someone has replied to your post?
there cant be "harmony" between freedom and good taste, because freedom includes bad taste as well. I dont know how you define freedom, but it seems pretty limited to me.
and please dont insult the freedom of these boards with pressuring people to censore their pictures.

sorry for being so offensive, but bigotry just makes me mad.

btw, whats wrong with porn? sexual arousal is one of the purest emotions and should not be excluded from art.

rkraiza
06-01-2008, 06:43 AM
normally i wouldn't change a thing, becouse i don't think that there should be boundaries in drawing, you should be free to draw annything you want...
But since it's Cgtalk here, and i'm not a regular poster here, i'll censure my image...

Sorry if i may have offended you guys... :hmm:

and about what you said: "Even the art industry requires certain discipline."
In my opinion, the only way you can connect art and discipline is that you need discipline to draw every day... Art is freedom of expressing yourself without boundaries...

You should definately have freedom of expression.. But honestly, were you trying to "express yourself" with that image? Does it have some deep serious meaning you feel you need to express in art? No, it's a silly cartoon drawing for an online contest. Personally, the extent of their actions justs shows a lack of cleverness for this topic. I'm not saying you aren't clever just that them being fully "engaged" isn't clever or cheeky, it's more boring in fact than an act not so far along. And it in no way is offensive material to me what so ever. Not offended, just not impressed. I'm a young progressive person. I'm not easily offended, but I have an idea as much as anyone else as to what is necesary. "Art is freedom of expressing yourself without boundaries..." This is true. But people are free to react how they want and if you are looking for work this can be very bad for you.

And something else.. for the most part, animation is a comercial art. You are trying to get a job in an inderustry, it's not you alone in your apartment trying to sell art to private buyers. Therefor there are boundries. You can offend people and you have to ask yourself if it's worth it. If you truly, truly have something to express, some message or feeling to get across and the only way you feel you can do that is with nudity, or something else that someone might find offensive, that's one thing.. But I don't think this is that. There was a girl in my school who was planning to do a piece for her portfolio that was pretty much pro-nazi and there was a lot of blood and feces. It sounds up your alley. She may have actually even had some sort of point she was trying to make, but come on... If you want to actually get a job you have to think about what's apropriate for your audience. You can put whatever the heck you want in your reel and figure if they don't hire you with sex, death, and feces in your reel well then they weren't the emplpyers for you.. but that still leaves you unemployed and for what? Does that save your integrity? Using pure vulgarness for who knows what? Pushing the envelope is great, animation is a great vehicle for that, but in an industry there is a certain level of expected discipline. Just consider your audience. You wouldn't want to send this to a studio that makes all children's animation. But if you wanted to work at a studio that does animation along the lines of Drawn Together it would certainly be apropriate..

And yes, it is just sex, and it is 2008, and this is an art forum.. But that's why certain things are acceptable. Nudity is tolerated to a certain extent. It's generally apreciated if it's used in a clever way or used as an undertone. Do what you want. People will rect how they will react. I wouldn't have even comented if I had just seen your image with know conversation following. Would have given it a glance and moved on.

I should add, I'm not saying the only time nudity or something else that could be considered offensive are acceptable in art is when you have some deep thing to express. I was only mentioning expression because you said you did this as a form of freedom of expressing yourself. Depending on the piece and the audience sometimes it's fine just because but there's a difference between simple nudity and illutrated sex acts.

pearblossom
06-02-2008, 02:54 AM
If you are at all offended by images which are pornographic, violent, suggestive, depict nudity, death, mutilation or aggression, whatever you do, do NOT click on this link:

Again, this is **NSFW**. Let me emphasize.

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=83464

I think this thread is a real example of something that is nauseating, and pushes the envelope of decency and acceptability no matter what culture you are coming from. On the other hand, if you have patience (and a good enough internet connection) to scroll through some of the 500-odd posts--the guy is fantastically creative, talented and thought-provoking, and imho if one intentionally sets out to make provocative art (which i don't think was necessarily your intention anyways dresse), this is a good way to go about it.
(ok, back to sketching! :) )

Dresse
06-02-2008, 07:54 AM
so much fuss for such a stupid cartoon.
i never said i drew it for me to express myself and stuff. I said "art is ..."
Because someone said that art needed discipline and i did not agree...

Never said what i make is art... i just tried to make a fun drawing because i often see boring images on DSG. "topic nerd, they draw a nerd". "topic blonde, they draw a blonde chick"... I just wanted to be creative with the topic and tell a little story instead of just drawing a nerd... nothing more...

And yeah there are other ways to make this piece... but come on... they were not even having sex... his hand was just lying on her private parts, and you saw his jhonson... nothing pornpgraphic about that...

And btw, people who want to hire me don't look at the story i'm telling but at the animation and drawing skills. They don't care about what is going on... But! The story did make it pop out and made sure that's its now playing on tv and cinema's in Belgium... And offcourse there are boundaries once you work commercially, but that has nothing to do with my personal work...

Zet
06-02-2008, 12:45 PM
1 hour 30 min. on PS CS3.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll286/IzaCgtalk/nerd.jpg

RThomson
06-03-2008, 01:44 AM
WOW

Zet that is just freakin awesome. SOTW methinks.

pearblossom
06-05-2008, 02:35 AM
heh, i second that!! awesome work.

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