Texture/Light/Render - character - robpauza

[robpauza]

Here's my first UV bump map layer progress:

[robpauza]

Here's a test render of the above bump layer:

[robpauza]

Here's my current color map progress:

[robpauza]

And here's a test with the color and bump maps applied. This was done before I actually created UVs, so the mapping is not quite right (i.e. -around the bottom jaw line).

Thanks everyone,
-Rob

[DigitalSkorpyon]

I'm seriously impressed. I've seen a lot of dinos but really have never seen a progression piece like yours. The model is done very well and even though you say the mapping is not quite right, the texture is looking sweet. With a few more adjustments in lighting and texture you'll have yourself a photoreal piece. Good job man. Looking forward to seeing a finished product. Are you gonna have him doing anything? If so, I'd try to go against the norm and put him in a scene or situation that a raptor wouldn't traditionally be... Maybe something humorous or slapstick. Just a suggestion...

-Grant

:buttrock:

[SheepFactory]

This is really good ,

i always wondered how they did the skin textures of that dino's in jurassic park , now i know :D ,

:thumbsup:

A|i

[leigh]

:eek: :eek:
Wow, that's really really awesome :D
:thumbsup:
For once, I'm actually stumped for crits, I think it is perfect so far!
I can't wait to see the entire thing :drool:
Btw - fantastic model :)
5 stars from me :applause:

[robpauza]

DigitalSkorpyon:
Thanks. I'm still strying to figure out what context I'm going to put him in.

Sheep Factory:
Thanks.
(BTW -I laugh at your avatar everytime I see it) :)

Leigh:
Thanks so much for the huge compliment.
(Glad your not the only female here anymore) :)

-Rob

[leigh]

I have to know - what software are you using?

And how on earth did you get that bump map to change the definition of the model????? Did you use a displacement as well? I just can't figure out how a bump map alone would create such definition :eek:
The eyes... wow, they are brilliant :drool: (forgot to mention that before :))

[Mike Pauza]

Damn it Rob. You have stars!

[robpauza]

Leigh:
I'm using Microsoft Word....just kidding :) Like yourself, I'm a Lightwave user. (7.0b) I'm using 4 different bump map layers. 1-The one pictured above with a gausian blur to smooth out the bump. 2-One just like the pictured bump above to emphasize the skin pattern. 3-A proceduaral bump to add randomness ...and 4-Another procedural bump to add even more apparent detail. To answer your question, on the outer edges of the model I cheated and fixed the edges in Photoshop post render to make it appear as geometry. In the final version I plan to at least attempt using displacement mapping, but for tests it just takes way too long. (around 20-30 minutes just for preprocessing because of the high subpatch levels needed) I painted the eye in Photoshop while looking in a mirror at my own. (I of course, changed the coloration a bit for this purpose) :) Thanks for the positive comments and the rating.

-Rob

[robpauza]

LOL Mike :)

[Koma]

beautifull ,really good no critic:thumbsup:

[Anthony]

Beautiful Work! How about giving his tongue a bit more life? It looks like a day old side of beef :]

[Dark_Des]

Very good man (j'en ai la parole coupée)
MORE,MORE, MORE ;)

[rolhionjs]

Same here... it's awesome of realism... gosh excellent !!! :) :) :)

[leigh]

Aaaaaah you cheeky devil! You did that in Pshop, hey :shame: heheheheheh
Well that really sets my mind at ease, I just couldn't figure it out!!

One thing I do think, having examined this really closely, is I do agree with Anthony that his tongue should be made, maybe...erm... wetter? It does look a bit dry, although, when I think of reptiles, I generally don't imagine they have a lot of er.. gob, for some reason... :shrug:

By the way, you a have really beautiful eyes ;) heheheheh Really, those eyes are just so brilliant :eek: :applause:

Now update!!!! I can't wait to see more! More! MORE!!!!

[Thoth]

The textures are just just ....well ...just .....and especially the bumps. They looks good in a close up.

yeah ..and where's the update :bounce:

[OZ]

JURASSIK !!! what creature!very nice model,and jawdropping textures......!ROOOARRRRG!!!!dino rulez!:cool:

[leigh]

Man, OZ, you really do say the craziest things :D

I'm still waiting for updates!! :bounce:

[leigh]

wow there are a lot of bouncing smilies on this page

[robpauza]

Lot's of pierced tongues too! :D

[OZ]

:bounce: What crazy thead is this!!!:bounce: Jurassik pierced bounce!Yahuuuuu! he he he he...bye Rob.,bye Leigh!:wavey:

[Gilgamesh]

Dude, you should give your dino a tongue piercing!
:bounce:
:bounce:
:bounce:
:bounce:

[OZ]

yez!Gilgamesh IS RIGHT!!!!:bounce:

[leigh]

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

yeah what a cool idea!! Give him a nice long barbell through that pointy tongue of his!!! It can show his more fun, funky side - you know, how he dresses up for a night on the town! :)

I LOVE THESE BOUNCE SMILIES!!!!

[robpauza]

Here's a quick update. I started painting the rest of the color map today. As you can tell, I haven't painted the insides of the arms and legs yet. There's still a few textures problems that need to be fixed (top of head), but I thought I'd show my progress.

Thanks for everyone's comments,
-Rob

Here's a few bouncy green guys for the collection:
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[robpauza]

And here's the actual color map: (WIP)

[Anthony]

OK, the texture on the body, especially the hips, is getting buggered up a bit. Try softening the bump more, and increasing its amplitude there. You could even try adding some geometry in that area, since LW doesn't like to do the displacements(the benefit ILM has in JP movies). :bounce: good Heavens I love those bouncing fellows

[robpauza]

Thanks Anthony. Guess what ...I just realized that I used the wrong bump map in the above render, hence the "buggered upness." I'll fix it later. Thanks for the bump amplitude advice. I'll do some entensive testing in that area when I finish the color map(s).

Thanks again,
-Rob

:bounce: Oops. Sorry, I slipped.

[robpauza]

Here's another render after a few of the problems have been corrected.

Comments are always welcome,
-Rob

[tascitus]

one of the nest dinos ive seen. great job.

[Gilgamesh]

Ahh, yes. That last render is much better. It is looking awesome, man.

[the_jonas]

if it wasnt for the texture maps i would have thought: "man he gotta have a dinno as a pet" :buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:
that looks greater than the dinos in those dino series on tv:buttrock:

[Mike Pauza]

Those horizontal bumps still bother me, but it's getting really sweet.

:bounce:

[epatnor]

Originally posted by Mike Pauza
Those horizontal bumps still bother me, but it's getting really sweet.


The bumps on the head and neck are awesome, but on the body and above all the legs are a little bit too much... I think... Anyone else seeing that?

Apart from that, I just wanted to contribute my own view of the overall concept design: :drool:

[Troydm]

Damn that is very good looking raptor !!!
I was just thinking did you used some reference pics to model
and texture it !!!

[leigh]

Awesome Rob, just awesome :thumbsup: :applause:
I do, however, also think that the bump on the head and neck is better than the bump on the rest of the body.
But otherwise - wow!! :eek:
You've got to send that to ILM - I'm sure the will take you on to work on the next Jurassic Park!!
Your colour map is excellent - I love the stipes down the back. Really really inspiring work :drool: :buttrock:

[Iguiniz.X.]

Man Your raptor is great and the skin is also wonderful.
But did you know that they think that the dinosaurs didn't have a skin like this but that they actually had feathers. In the Gobi desert (China) <-- if I'm right, was a fossilised dinosaur found with a feather texture in the stone. Oviaraptor it means egg eater but that is a mistake this Oviaraptor laid eggs and then they found some skeletons on some eggs so they thought that he died during stealing the eggs. But those eggs are his own kids.:shrug:

How would a feather texture look like? :p

:wavey:

[JosephMclamb]

Wow! looking good man! really nice.

[kfc]

this is mind blowing.
:)
there is just one thing that i doubt is the wrinkles. some how it looks abit different from what i saw from JP.
but anyway, Superb work.
:applause:

[edaddy]

u got great texturing skills - awesome work - i agree w/ leigh about the head and neck looking better than the rest of the body but i can't really crit. much, as the texturing IS gorgeous


(off subject)
is it me? or does this guy look a little like he's uh.....ummm........gettin' some 'hands on' experience -> :airguitar

[Gilgamesh]

some how it looks abit different from what i saw from JP.


hehe. It's funny how Jurassic Park is the definitive resource for dinos. Really their guess is as good as anyone elses.
Anyway, I think you should try and make it even more different from the JP standard. And then maybe you would be right and ILM would be wrong. ;)

[Fit]

The grid bumpmap that you use is fine in the neck and head zone, but looks odd in the middle part of the body, looks like the plastic dino in Toy Story. Make the lines closer to the other and thiner and not so square, make it rounded like.

But your model is awesome and your diffuse map is very good. Keep the good work.:buttrock:

[TheWolf]

This dino rocks!:buttrock: Though I think his eyes should be bigger like in anime!!! joke.......Keep it up! looks damn good!

Leigh..... dinos aren't reptiles, they're warm blooded

:beer: :beer: :beer:

[robpauza]

Thanks everyone. I really appreciate the critiques. This really enforces what I've been thinking myself -that the body doesn't look quite right yet. It was really rushed compared to the head and it shows. I plan to do a lot of rethinking texture-wise in the next few days.

Thanks again for the great comments.
-Rob

[ZrO-1]

First off, let me just say that the model and textures are absolutely fabulous:thumbsup: . If I could make one suggestion to you about the bumps. I think what the problem is is the displacement of the bumps in relation to the animal's size. Right now the depth of the wrinkle bumpmap suggests a skin similar to an elephant. While this would work for a really large dino (t-rex, or braciosaur type) it might be too much for a raptor which is closer in size to a human or horse at most. What I'd suggest is decreasing the displacement of the wrinkle bump and increasing the displacement of the skin's scaleiness (the scales on the skin):hmm: Just a constructive suggestion. :shrug: Again fantastic work :thumbsup: :buttrock: :applause:

[kfc]

The grid bumpmap that you use is fine in the neck and head zone, but looks odd in the middle part of the body, looks like the plastic dino in Toy Story. Make the lines closer to the other and thiner and not so square, make it rounded like.

yeah..... this is what i mean.
:)
couldn't find the right words to express this in the 1st place.

[leigh]

Hey Rob, where is an update???? :drool: waiting with anticipation....

(TheWolf - :surprised: I didn't know that dinos were warm blooded.... I alsways thought they were reptiles :blush: heheheh)

[robpauza]

ZrO-1 & kfc:
Thanks. I agree totally and am working on it.

Leigh:
I'm currently reworking the textures. I can't seem to find much free time to work on it, so it may be a few days before another update.

Thanks everyone for your continued interest and comments,
-Rob

[sivel]

wow, i'm trully impressed, really nice modeling and your surfacing is, uh...wonderfull!!
love it!


:applause:

[Fit]

Update Update Update

C'mon men, we need to see this killer boy. How about some hunting posse or maybe he's eating something?

Update Update Update

[hiko_]

AMAZING ! great work !

[robpauza]

I haven't had much time to work lately, but here's what I've done since my last update.
-Rob

Just a few UV fixes mostly on this render:

[robpauza]

And here's a second color scheme I was playing around with. I like the first better (with some changes), but thought you all may like to see it. Maybe they could fight or something. :)

[robpauza]

By the way, I never got around to painting the inside of the arms and legs on the second raptor, so please excuse the nasty seems.

Thanks,
-Rob

[Facial Deluxe]

Hi Rob,

Did you mention that you use Inspire ??? Mmmmh ?
Héhéhé, that's quite good ! Keep it high and up buddy !:beer:

[leigh]

Hey Rob :)
AWESOME!!! :applause:
I think I also prefer the first one, colour-wise. I WANT TO SEE THEM FIGHT!!!! I really think that you should do a fierce bloody battle between them - that would be incredible :bounce: :bounce:

By the way - I still think that the bump is a bit big along it's flank... It's the one detail that detracts from it's realness :shrug:

[Mike Pauza]

Thanks for the new screensaver Rob.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[ZrO-1]

Wow man nice stuff. As far as the colors go I like them both. It almost seems like you could use both of them. The first color scheme is more muted and "camoflaged" the second is more bright and contrasty. This would be perfect for a male and female version of your raptor. If you think about reptiles and birds the females are often more earth tones and muted and the males are more brightly colored to attract mates. It looks to me like your two designs would fit that bill. Absolutely goregous work man...really great.

[leigh]

What an excellent idea!! Lets have some dino porn :xtreme:

[robpauza]

Facial:
LOL :) (Please don't tell my 3D secrets) BTW -Welcome home.

Leigh:
Maybe a bloody battle will come after the challenge. Probably no dino porn though. Some things are better left untouched, so to speak.

Mike:
Thank you. How's that barbarian coming?

ZrO-1:
Thanks again. I was sort of thinking along the same lines as far as the male and female versions.

-Rob

[Chico]

Really nice work, But the only thing that really bothers me is the bump. It really is just to full on.

Otherwise its looking really good.

[robpauza]

Tonight I worked on the bump map a little more, varying the intensity throughout the body. I also updated the stripes. I guess I'd better start on the environment before the challenge deadline arrives. Let me know what you think.

Thanks,
-Rob

[robpauza]

Here's a quick pose with a shadow map applied just for fun.

[robpauza]

And finally, one more view.

Thanks,
-Rob

[henry]

yeah sure! render from more different angles! keep torturing us!!

:wavey: heheh cheers

[Facial Deluxe]

Awesome:eek:

[ZrO-1]

You got it bro! :bounce: :applause: The bumps are right on now. What an improovement, that slight tweak in the bumps really tweaked the feel of your models. AWESOME!!! If you were a dinosaur you would be texture-a-saurus Rex.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[leigh]

LOL "texture-a-saurus Rex. "

:bowdown: :bowdown:

Rob - your dino is just.... absolutely... words elude me....
BRILLIANT!!!!
Those poses are a w e s o m e!! :bounce:

:buttrock: :buttrock:
Can't wait to see them fight!!!!

[SeanW]

The new bump setup did the trick, great work, I love how its comming. I just noticed how small the talons look, but only because I was stareing at it for a really long time :D

[OZ]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: always amazing!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Gilgamesh]

That is so sweet.
:buttrock:

[TheWolf]

hey yeah....the talons do look small...do raptors have retractable claws? anyways awesome work! do you have a job in the industry? :thumbsup:

:buttrock: :wip: :buttrock: :wip:

[robpauza]

(Sorry everyone for the late responses)
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Henry:
LOL.

Facial:
Thanks again.

Zr0-1:
Thanks. I appreciate your continued interest.

Leigh:
Thanks for the H U G E compliment. :)

SeanW:
You're probably right about the talon "thingys." I'll see what I can do. Thanks for lending me your eagle eyes.

OZ:
Thanks man. I'm humbled.

Gilgamesh:
Thank you.

TheWolf:
No, I'm currently just doing this stuff for fun and experience. Hopefully, someday I'll make some money with it.

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Okay...
Here's a more final rendering since it's almost done. Now I guess I have to do an environment. :shrug:

Thanks again everyone for the great feedback. It's greatly appreciated.

-Rob

[eugene_fraxby]

:eek:
speechless

a

[Thoth]

breathless :rolleyes:

[leigh]

Helpless.... :sad:

Because I can't give you 438753008833552 stars!!!! Only 5....

[JacquesD]

Good work, I'd some reflection to it, skin looks a bit matte.

[MacSilva]

Doubtless the best artwork of this Challenge!

... and just for the record: :xtreme: :drool: :bounce: :xtreme: :xtreme: :bounce: :bounce: :drool: :drool:

[animalunae]

I get it, you worked on "walking with dinosaurs" right...you've improved...

AMAZING work, YOU got my stars General

[robpauza]

eugene_fraxby, Thoth, & Leigh:
Thanks everyone. I love the "one-liners." :)

The Ripper:
I'll give it a try. Thank you.

MacSilva:
Thanks man, but I may have to argue with that -There's a lot of really nice work progressing from many talented people in this challenge. I'm just pleased to get to post alongside their work. Thanks again for the huge compliment though. It's appreciated.

Derbyqsalano:
LOL. Thanks.

-Rob

BTW -I'm still working on environment ideas. Any thoughts?

[ZrO-1]

Hmmmm...for an enviroment...

I would say you could go either of two ways. Given your raptor's coloration I'd either go with a temperate climate rain forest like in washington state. Or I'd go 180 from that and have it be a tropical praire similar to the african savana.

The forest would offer more oportunities for a dramatic enviroment, where you could add fog and cast shadows as well as dew on the ferny undergrowth. The savana would offer some really wild sunset/rise situations though.

Or...you could go completely different and do a composite of your dinos placed in a museum as if they came back to life and are roaming about again. They could be placed infront of a skeletal display of a raptor with them examining it as if the recognise it.

Just some thoughts. :cool:

[JacquesD]

I don't if I could use your image to do a quick test in Photohsop, if I couldn't, I'm sorry.
Anyway, as I advised you, I added some extra reflection(Photoshop) to the skin and did a very quick work on colors to try a little composite.
It's very basic but I think that might work if you would work a bit more on the reflection(using a mask and a fresnel effect of course), redefine the bump texture and tweak the lighting.
Good luck. :)

http://users.skynet.be/fa009830//WebPics/Veldpsp.jpg

[fellah]

amazing! your work is very inspiring and imo the best in this challenge so far :thumbsup:
and, you should definitely go in the direction "the ripper" suggested, superb!

[pixopath]

ca prout !
Very good work ! bye

[paranoy2k]

Really nice textures and model!!!

Remember me those in jurassic Park and walking with dinosaurs!!

As tony the tiger would say... Grrrrreeeeeeat work! ;)

[TheWolf]

rob, there's no doubt in my mind that your piece is the best in this month's challenge. hopefully the judges will see that. no offense to oz, leigh and all the others that have joined the challenge...their work is awesome as well. but your work is top quality. put in that environment soon.....i want to see it.

:deal: submit your work to lucas or spielberg and you may see this.

[robpauza]

ZrO-1:
Thanks for the ideas. I'm still not quite sure which direction to go with it, but you've given me a few things to think about.

The Ripper:
A composite was definately on my mind, but because of the nature of this challenge I was really wanting to make it all in 3D. Thanks for taking the time to show me your composite. (If time starts running out I may give it a go)

Fellah:
Thanks

Pixopath:
Thanks

Paranoy2k:
Thanks. I love Frosted Flakes. :)

The Wolf:
I still say that there is some incredible work progressing among the other entries, but thanks a bunch for the huge compliment.

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Update:

I've tried several totally different environment tests lately, and am still not exactly sure which direction to go, but I thought I'd show you all something since I haven't updated in a while.

Thanks again everyone for the great feedback. It really helps me a lot.
-Rob

(Sorry for the small image. For some reason, this one didn't want to get under the 50k limit without being really bad quality.)

[hypercube]

to quote the bard.."DUDE! SWEET!" :buttrock:

Really fantastic, the texture totally pops with more directional lighting. At least as far as can tell from the pic. If you can't do one big one, any chance of a few closeups of the same shot?

As for the environment itself, that looks awesome too. Not sure if it's 'right' for the dino.. But then maybe it's nice to see the poor raptor in a tranquil setting, they're always the villains. :)

Does seem like maybe he's about to attack Shrek though. Out of curiosity, how'd you make the trees? That all polys?

[leigh]

Hey there Rob, I really like your environment, but somehow I kinda envisioned him in a more jungleish place.. :hmm: I
Although your environment is very nicely done :thumbsup:
One thing though - that very bright light has kinda flattened his side a bit, losing the bump map there....
Oh, another thing:
Please please please, when you do your final render, have him bigger in the frame? It would be such a pity if we couldn't see all those beautiful textures up close :cry:

[TheWolf]

hey rob, nice environment...but i have a question....where is the light source coming from? are there two of them? looks to me like the sun is shining through the clouds to the raptor's right. and leigh was right.....have the dino a lot closer in view. needs a stronger background. one more dangerous.

[robpauza]

hypercube:
LOL (attack Shrek) :) The trees are just clip maps. Thanks for the comments.

Leigh:
I agree. I don't really like it either, but I wanted to post it just to add something new to the thread. Hopefully, I'll make improvements with each update. (that's the plan anyway) Thanks for your continued interest.

TheWolf:
Yeah, you win the prize. :) The scene lighting isn't consistent with the cloud lighting. (I just liked the clouds flipped in that direction better. -didn't think anyone would notice) Look below for a "more dangerous" environment.

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Here's another environment I've been working on. I think I'll scrap the first one unless I decide to have the raptor flying a kite or something in the scene. :)

As my brother reminded me today, I'm entered in the "character" challenge, so maybe I'm worrying too much with the environment aspect. I may decide in the end to ditch the environment all together for the challenge.

-Rob

Anyway, here's the pic:

[hiko_]

You kick ass :)
It 's the greatest work for this challenge !
:applause:

[Mike Pauza]

Like the BG much better.

IMO If you restage it and add some major folliage in the FG it
would look really sweet.

[Kulu_Kulu]

wou very impressiv !!
love the environement too
grr8888 ! :applause: :applause: :applause:
ciao

[robpauza]

Hiko:
Thanks

Mike:
Thanks. I'll give it some thought.

Kulu_Kulu:
Thank you.

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Nothing else yet.... I can't seem to find much time to work lately.

-Rob

[Adam Klein]

Lookin Great!

for the setting, definetely needs some plantlife, but the most noticable is that the beast would have to make footprints in the ground, looks like hard clay or mud right?

oh yeah, add'n some d.o.f. would look niiiiiiice

keep it up

Adam:thumbsup:

[hypercube]

Once more, very cool! :scream: Definitely more like a dino's 'hood. Also great to see it closer and better..really nice.

I agree some foliage would be cool, maybe some jungley mist? without obscuring any of the kickassness, that is.

[robpauza]

Thanks Adam & Hypercube for the comments.

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Okay everyone...

After reading the challenge guidelines again, I decided to leave out the environment all together since I'm doing a character. Here is my final image for this challenge:

http://users.chartertn.net/robpauza/challenge/finalsm.jpg

The full render is located here:
200kb (http://users.chartertn.net/robpauza/challenge/finalbig.jpg)

Thanks again to everyone for the incredible feedback. It's much appreciated. :thumbsup:

-Rob

[hypercube]

:eek: Verrrrrry nice. Like the more agressive yet subdued colour scheme as well. Bump Displacement on the closeups?

Great solution for the background, too! Looks like a difficult studio shoot..need a real good wrangler :D

Anyway, Most Excellent.

[robpauza]

Thanks again Hypercube,

I'm glad the "photo studio shoot" setting/theme is evident. I was sort of wondering if it would be.

I guess I'll go ahead and get my 3 hours of sleep before I have to get up and go to work.......:insane:

Take care,
-Rob

[eugene_fraxby]

:drool: :eek:

ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!!!!!!!!!!!

beautiful texturing Rob, class piece of work...

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[leigh]

Hey Rob - I ABSOLUTELY LOOOOOOVE THIS ONE!!!! It is SO perfect :applause: :applause:
Skippy!! LOL!!! :scream:
A piece of work equal to that of ILM's Jurassic Park inhabitants, as far as I am concerned :thumbsup:
You have my vote!!
:buttrock: :beer:
Your work is truly the epitome of excellence. \:cool:/
Btw you should really submit this to Newtek's gallery, I'm sure they would love to have it grace their site.

[Thoth]

Don't have a clue how you did it but i'm glad you did :buttrock:

I don't have the words to describe how amazing it is.....it's like you've spent a month for each inch exploring it with scope, done the detailing and fixing required...... inch by inch.

It is an honor to cast my vote for you :thumbsup:

[Adam Klein]

nice adjustments! more than expected, a very nice piece of work here, it was great watching this beast develope

[OZ]

:buttrock: WOW!!!looks like i have a lot to learn from u!!!!:applause: :applause: :applause: GIGA!!!!

[robpauza]

Eugene:
Thanks Man.

Leigh:
Thanks so much. Glad you liked "Skippy" :)

Thoth:
Thanks for the HUGE compliments.

OZ:
Thank you. That means a lot to me coming from you. I love your work.

Thanks again everyone,
-Rob

[ManInScaryMask]

Originally posted by DigitalSkorpyon
With a few more adjustments in lighting and texture you'll have yourself a photoreal piece.


Hehe, there's so much wrong with that... :)

Does anybody have an actual photo for reference? If so, please email it to me. I'd be very grateful...

LOL

[MaskTX]

Wow!!:buttrock: :buttrock: You have great skills in modeling and texturing!:buttrock:

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