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Furiaceka
04-30-2008, 10:45 AM
This is awesome scene !

The question is: based on your experience, how many parts are CGI an how real ?

I think, Robert Downey is on green screen, and the rest is a mix of CGI and real plate.

LINK (http://www.traileraddict.com/clip/iron-man/mark-iii-assembly)

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/589/headeryc9.jpg

Skt
04-30-2008, 12:12 PM
Don't know how many CGI in this sequence , but I can't stop thinking to the remarkable sequence of Blizzard cinematic trailer ''Starcraft 2'':

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/19777.html

ChewyPixels
04-30-2008, 02:31 PM
I think there is a LOT of CGI in that shot. All I can say is, AWESOME!!

KOKE
04-30-2008, 03:30 PM
Awesome :drool:, but too similar to the Starcraft 2 cutscene in my opinion... :hmm:.

JK.

:D

Furiaceka
04-30-2008, 04:06 PM
The Starcraft 2 cutscene is awesome too, thanks i had not never seen it before...

But Iron man, and the works of ILM are another thing...

I love this moment, when the helmet close... i think is all CG and Robert wears the suit of motion capture... like Bill Nighy for Davy Jones...

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/8573/ironman107rc7.jpg

Baltasound
04-30-2008, 04:48 PM
The Starcraft 2 cutscene is awesome too, thanks i had not never seen it before...

But Iron man, and the works of ILM are another thing...

I love this moment, when the helmet close... i think is all CG and Robert wears the suit of motion capture... like Bill Nighy for Davy Jones...

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/8573/ironman107rc7.jpg

That looks pretty bad :surprised Kinda fake....

Pyke
04-30-2008, 05:24 PM
I have no idea how much of that is cg....but something a little 'off' is how the eyes just turn on. No flicker, or gradual fade...they are off...and then suddenly on.

Delucubus
04-30-2008, 05:32 PM
LOTS of CG!! ILM did an anamzing job on these shots (correcty me if I'm wrong and they didn't do these).

Artbot
04-30-2008, 06:18 PM
This does look cool, and also reminds me of the Bjork video 'All is full of love', as well as SC2.

At least this movie looks good enough that some "regular folk" will see it who might have a greater tolerance of the speed with which Ironman's eyes light up.

macGhost
04-30-2008, 11:50 PM
Awesome,
skt:you're right, it resembles the starcraft 2 cinematic, but they pulled it off.
What is the software package they used?

Skt
05-01-2008, 01:01 AM
macghost: Blizzard is known for using Max, However u can learn more here :
http://eu.starcraft2.com/features/interviews/cinematicteaser.xml

Shletten
05-01-2008, 02:06 AM
That looks pretty bad :surprised Kinda fake.... Not really... Or can you remotely do any better perhaps? This is nowhere less good than Transformers, it remains convincing.

*Yeah the glowing eyes disturb me too, they lit up too suddenly.

Geta-Ve
05-01-2008, 02:50 AM
Not really... Or can you remotely do any better perhaps? This is nowhere less good than Transformers, it remains convincing.

*Yeah the glowing eyes disturb me too, they lit up too suddenly.

Why is it that every time someone says something ill about something else (art wise at least) the retort always ends up in "can you do better?!" land?

Grow up.

As per the shot, gonna wait till I see the movie, seems like this would be a defining moment in the flick, don't wanna spoil it.

Strang
05-01-2008, 03:03 AM
http://marvelkids.marvel.com/ @ 0:50

blur's take on building ironman... this is before the trailer and we didn't get any concepts from ILM etc. and guess what?... all cg ;)

Geta-Ve
05-01-2008, 03:37 AM
http://marvelkids.marvel.com/ @ 0:50

blur's take on building ironman... this is before the trailer and we didn't get any concepts from ILM etc. and guess what?... all cg ;)

That was freaking awesome! I watched all 3 parts and was blown away. NICE! Oh man, I could watch a whole movie of them. :P

Strang
05-01-2008, 03:40 AM
i can't remember the target resolution exactly but it is a bummer to see it shrunk down so much for the web. regardless marvel was stoked on it as were we!

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SoLiTuDe
05-01-2008, 03:53 AM
^1280x720 was final res for that one. Fun stuff that was. :D Glad to see people still enjoying it.

They have slightly higher res now on this page: http://marvelkids.marvel.com/hires/

--Afaik they've used the full res version at the likes of wizard-con or whatever comic book coneventions a few times now.

KOryH
05-01-2008, 04:29 AM
is still one of my favorite versions of a cg hulk.
kolby jukes' is an other one.

Intervain
05-01-2008, 07:34 PM
That looks pretty bad :surprised Kinda fake....


well it's not ment to be viewed as a still frame, to be analized pixel by pixel... I love that sequece :buttrock:

Shletten
05-02-2008, 01:43 AM
Why is it that every time someone says something ill about something else (art wise at least) the retort always ends up in "can you do better?!" land?

Grow up.

As per the shot, gonna wait till I see the movie, seems like this would be a defining moment in the flick, don't wanna spoil it. Grrrr! Excuse me but it's the first damn time I say it in my whole life and actually it doesn't look fake. I don't think anyone could achieve a better result than ILM, they've become good with materials. If it still looks fake it's because there is an actor face pasted in the mask.

Geta-Ve
05-02-2008, 03:55 AM
Grrrr! Excuse me but it's the first damn time I say it in my whole life and actually it doesn't look fake. I don't think anyone could achieve a better result than ILM, they've become good with materials. If it still looks fake it's because there is an actor face pasted in the mask.

First time eh? Lucky you I guess. And just because YOUR personal opinion of the piece is that it doesn't look fake does not MAKE it fact.

Anyways seems like you know perfectly well how fake it looks seeing as how you easily pointed out the face pasting effect. Furthermore you act as if that is not what the original poster intended (face pasting) by his remark.

lxdengar
05-02-2008, 04:57 PM
http://movies.nytimes.com/2008/05/02/movies/02iron.html


The slide show has even more shots of the conepts, and storyboards. A mention of the inspiration from the SC2 trailer would have been nice. Aaron seems to say he made it up by himself, which is disheartening.

splinebender
05-02-2008, 06:09 PM
There is really no need to credit the SC2 trailer as "inspiration" since the idea of Tony Stark having a machine to put his suit on has been around for much much longer than the SC2 piece. The SC2 piece is beautiful by the way.
Also, in response to the original question, the suit and machines are entirely CG in this sequence. And in the last shot, the face isn't pasted onto the suit, it's the other way around, the suit has been added over the actor.

Capel
05-02-2008, 08:56 PM
The slide show has even more shots of the conepts, and storyboards. A mention of the inspiration from the SC2 trailer would have been nice. Aaron seems to say he made it up by himself, which is disheartening.

geez, give it a rest you freakin fanboy. Iron Man has been around a lot longer than starcraft, so it's probably the other way around as far as who got their inspiration from who.

RobertoOrtiz
05-02-2008, 09:03 PM
Congrats to all who worked on Iron Man.

Saw it yesterday and it was an awesome flick.
-R

harmonic01
05-03-2008, 04:16 AM
Just came back from watching Iron Man at a theater. Really great job. Congrats to all who worked on this. On the big screen that suiting up sequence looked totally awesome. Nothing fake about it jumped at me. I'm also very glad the eyes just lit up, straight up without any hitch (which would signify a malfunction) or a cliche overblow and settle. Really terrific job. :buttrock:

Tlock
05-03-2008, 08:46 PM
I think the comments about the eyes just lighting up seems pretty ridiculas considing most equipment does just turn on. It doesn't warm up, how does your light bulb work where you live? Does it take 5 seconds for them to warm up before they are fully lit. If you had said it would have been more dramatic do to it that way then find i can totally appreciate that but other wise, it was totally valid for it to just turn no. When i turn on my Camcorder, my TV, my Camera they all just turn not, it doesn't take 5 seconds for them to warm up.

Also the way SC2 did it was brilliant but i'm sure the whole concept of body armor for SC2 comes from some guy loving Iron Man when they were a kid. SC2 should give credit to Iron Man not the other way around.

Geta-Ve
05-03-2008, 10:37 PM
Also the way SC2 did it was brilliant but i'm sure the whole concept of body armor for SC2 comes from some guy loving Iron Man when they were a kid. SC2 should give credit to Iron Man not the other way around.

Personally I don't really see the resemblance in the armour at all... the SEQUENCE, most definitely, the armour? :P

Anyhoo, I would say even if IM took ideas from SC2 it wasn't in malice, I think they did it because the sequence was so brilliant.

Tlock
05-04-2008, 02:23 AM
I ment more in concept rather than specific design. But to be clear, there were more than 30 different Iron Man suits. Do a search on wiki if you want to know exactly how many. The body armour from SC2 i would say if it was like anything from Iron Man, it would have been the Hulkbuster suit, but still not similiar.

mahir
05-04-2008, 07:40 AM
I'd say the design of the SC2 armor drew its inspiration more from Warhammer than Iron Man.
As for the sequence, it's a guy getting fitted with bulky armor how else would it be done? Robotic arms assembling parts has been around for ages right?

Pyke
05-04-2008, 10:00 AM
The Iron Man assembly sequence has probably been in planning for years. It was more than likely part of the original script treatment, a good few years ago. I dont know how long IM has been in production, but I dont think Im far off in saying 2 - 3 years? Even if they didnt start any finals, that sequence was more than likely written, planned, prevised, and started WAY before anyone even saw the SC2 movie.

Was a killer sequence tho...loved it!

dotTom
05-05-2008, 05:13 AM
Don't know how many CGI in this sequence , but I can't stop thinking to the remarkable sequence of Blizzard cinematic trailer ''Starcraft 2'':

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/19777.html

You're so right. I was just watching the StarCraft II Trailer again this morning having watched the Mk III 'suit up' sequence and, well, the chronology is pretty clear so perhaps the nicest thing one can say is "heavily influenced by..."

Furiaceka
05-05-2008, 05:47 PM
In this video you can find the answer... it's ALL CG !! Good work ILM with IMOCAP and 3D elements.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/movies/20080502_IRONMAN_FEATURE/index.html#section1

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/7059/shotbrckdoqv4.th.jpg (http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/7059/shotbrckdoqv4.jpg)

Venkman
05-05-2008, 07:22 PM
Why is it that every time someone says something ill about something else (art wise at least) the retort always ends up in "can you do better?!" land?.

I've always thought this was the perfect forum for that challenge. There are plenty of pros AND amateurs here with a ton of skill. When I keep that in mind, I temper my comments accordingly lest I be called out to back up my words with my limited skillz. ;)

I think if people have a problem with the shot they need to constructively critique it, not just say "That looks fake." They might as well post "meh", and that puts this forum on the path to being like gamefaqs.com or any of the sites with useless boards like aintitcoolnews.

A constructive comment with a breakdown of elements that are problematic may help artists reading the thread- including myself. They don't all have to be praise, but they should be at least constructive.

You're so right. I was just watching the StarCraft II Trailer again this morning having watched the Mk III 'suit up' sequence and, well, the chronology is pretty clear so perhaps the nicest thing one can say is "heavily influenced by..."

You could also say that they are all influenced by the countless "transformation" and
"power up" sequences from any number of japanese series or films. Some japanese artists in particular revel in showing the inner workings of machinery and their assembly. It's almost a "tech fetish" in some animations. There are enough mech suit anime concepts out there that I'm sure you'd find at least one that directly compares to both Iron Man and Starcraft 2.

Without even trying I found a compilation of armor transformations on youtube. Further searching would reveal more, I'm sure.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4vcTht0sxJU

Bottom line though, if it's cool, I don't mind one bit. I'm just amazed that shot was all CG. I was sure it was live action at least part of the time. Either I'm slipping, or ILM is just getting better. It's probably the latter. :)

Shletten
05-06-2008, 01:54 AM
I saw the movie Saturday, it's a very good movie but it has way less action than you'd think, that's why you'll kind of get out the theater feeling unsatisfied but begging for a second opus. That said, the special effects were excellent (my friend and I couldn't tell if the Mark III assembly was CGI or not or otherwise any other scene where there are seperate parts of the armor.)

I've seen some people on IMDB finding the ''tank explosion'' bad and I don't really share that opinion. Well, sure I could tell it was a CG explosion because the way it blew was too fluid-alike but still, it doesn't stand out of the rest in any sort of way?

So, to conclude. It was a very great movie, congratulations for everyone's job and I'm willing to see a sequel be announced, how's the Box Office anyway?

Furiaceka
05-06-2008, 07:39 AM
So, to conclude. It was a very great movie, congratulations for everyone's job and I'm willing to see a sequel be announced, how's the Box Office anyway?

Here in italy it's not good, but the reason is "all at sea" you know ? The italians go to sea in the days of sun...

In USA it's so good ! 104 million in USA, 201 in the world.

I saw the movie on sunday, my vote, from one to ten, it's 8. Very good movie ! The best of MARVEL.

Bottom line though, if it's cool, I don't mind one bit. I'm just amazed that shot was all CG. I was sure it was live action at least part of the time. Either I'm slipping, or ILM is just getting better. It's probably the former, not the latter. :)

No ! It's the latter ! :) I joke...

Venkman
05-06-2008, 03:00 PM
No ! It's the latter ! :) I joke...

Actually, I meant to say that! I always type the opposite when using latter and former. I should just avoid it.

soulburn3d
05-06-2008, 06:46 PM
There are so many films, comic books, animations etc that shows robotic arms applying armor to people that I think that sorta scene should have it's own genre. It's been in iron man, the blizzard cinematic, blur stuff, ghost in the shell, Bjork videos, hell I even did one back in 1993 when I first started getting into cg. So I don't think anyone can claim direct influence here, there's too much prior art.

- Neil

kretin
05-09-2008, 01:48 AM
^1280x720 was final res for that one. Fun stuff that was. :D Glad to see people still enjoying it.

They have slightly higher res now on this page: http://marvelkids.marvel.com/hires/

--Afaik they've used the full res version at the likes of wizard-con or whatever comic book coneventions a few times now.
High res versions have been available for a while now:

http://www.marvel.com/movietrailer

Yecire
05-15-2008, 06:12 PM
I only glanced the thread . . . some of these complaints are hilarious!

On suiting up: Was his mom supposed to show up and help him get dressed? Futuristic hi-tech robotic suits are put on by robotic arms. Nobody invented this idea, it's simple logic.

Eyes lighting up too fast: C'mon, are we talking about booting up Windows or flipping a switch on some LEDs?

Just stop nitpicking minor details, enjoy the movie, and let it inspire you to do even better.

BTW: Did anybody else notice that Iron Man's torso was too long, and his waist too small? :rolleyes:

yeoj3d
05-16-2008, 12:34 AM
i liked the movie, and the effects were impressive...but like everyone else has pointed out about the suit assembly sequence, it was a shot for shot STARCRAFT RIPOFF!!!

Swizzle
05-16-2008, 12:40 AM
Am I the only one around here who just doesn't care if they ripped off StarCraft? They're both great sequences, they're both super detailed and believably animated, they're both absolutely cool as hell.

Strang
05-16-2008, 01:17 AM
they inspire each other, sounds normal to me.

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