honda s2000 WIP

[ThirdEye]

hey coming along nicely :)

[smoke]

looking good so far

[sebek27]

thanks! here is a small update, this will be slow and tedious but i'm learning a lot...

[ThirdEye]

And it's coming along nicely, can you post a wireframe? It will be easier to tell you if there are some problems in the mesh

[Peoples]

looks like a good star after all your eager attempts!:thumbsup: If you have the edge extrude plugin (if you use R7) you get nice definition of the parts if you extrude the edges 1 unit. Thats how I work with my Audi - but in R8 you have the edge tools as standard - they help ALOT:wavey:

[sebek27]

here is the wire, i am struggling to have the shapes come together so they fit as shown in the circled red area..

[ThirdEye]

Deactivate the Hypernurbs before you show us the wireframe, otherwise they're useless. :shrug:

[sebek27]

oops, i'll do it when i'm home tonight

[sebek27]

one question, if you look at the circled part how do you get the trunk to fit in perfectly with the side and the back window of the car ?? do you split the edge of the back window and the edge of the top side then make that into the trunk ?

[ThirdEye]

Simply give a really high weight (even 100%) to the vertex circled in red.

[sebek27]

my car is not looking too good...

[JIII]

I would say that is looking really good.

if you are having major difficulty tweaking your mesh its possible you need another method.

i.e start with fewer polys and then build up to more or something.

But it looks nice to me, its a nice looking WIP.

[sebek27]

playing with some HDR and working on refining the shape..

[sebek27]

other view

[AdamT]

Coming along nicely! Much patience required. :)

[randyrives]

Looking good so far! I like the color you have selected.

[sebek27]

does it matter which side (top, side, front) you start each piece of the car ? i started with the side but maybe starting with the top is better .. the blueprints don't really line up exactly close but not exact..

my 500th post :applause:

[Peoples]

I usually start with the hood from top view, add some rows of points, bridge 'em and switch to side view and adjust the sideprofile of the hood. Then I move on to the front sidepanels, bumper etc. But do what suits you best - I just happen to have got the habit of starting with the hood:shrug:

[sebek27]

ok i'm trying to make this beveled piece in my car but i tried beve, extrude, smooth shift and it shifts all wrong and mesh gets all messed up... also when i extrude it seems some of the selected pieces go one way and some the other ? how do i make a nice shift so nothing messes up ?

[sebek27]

before..

[sebek27]

after :(

[chi]

you shouldnt need to extrude it necisarrily


try doing this

http://cgi.third-era.com/~chi/before.jpg

then add in extra geometry if needed or just wieghts the edges

[Emberghost]

I am somewhat new to all this and I have heard of people saying 'add geometry' but what does this mean?

[sebek27]

what will adding geometry or weighting the edges do ? nothing, since what i'm trying to do is move it back so it looks like the pic of the car... beveled

[sebek27]

maybe i'll just delete the piece and add points behind it then bridge..

[sebek27]

yep that's it, a bit more edge weighting left :)

[JIII]

ember:

adding geometry is pretty simple, just adding more points polys etc...

basicly it just means make it more complex or detailed. but technically you are adding more geometry to it.

[sebek27]

working on the front a bit, going back and forth to working on side also

[JIII]

not bad looks like you are gonna have a hell of a time getting the whole thing smoothed. unfortunately it looks kinda bumpy. I hate it when my cars get like that. Which is probibly why I have made so few of umm.

Anyway that is quite nice looking. You have gotten the shape down pretty nicely.

[FredSpeaks]

Try using the "Iron" plugin to help smooth out the bumps

[sebek27]

should i clean up my mesh so it's all nice and straight before I go any further, or is it ok the way it is ?

[JIII]

depends on how obsessive of a person you are.

its up to you dude, this is your model.

[chi]

i would flatten things out...get everything nice and smooth...if not youll regret it later, but its still coming along fairly good.. and try to add some geometry around the wheel well like in the attached pic...itll hlp you get smoother definition

[the vapor]

I really admire those of you that have the patience and talent to create models. I can't get my head around it at all, and I really appreciate the amount of time and dedication it takes to become proficient at modelling.

Keep at it sebek27, you're doing great and you have a really supportive pool of talent to help you here. I think your model has progressed brilliantly - can't wait to see it rendered.:beer:

Cheers, much love to all.

[sebek27]

thanks vapor! i will take however long to get this car finished... it is very time consuming but i just keep at it each day... not giving up is the key since you learn new things as you progress with your models

[sebek27]

small update; some headlight tints... working on the back of the car next

[sebek27]

here is an update... haven't worked on it much since i'm also redesigning my website... i still need to fix the body so it looks nice and smooth also make it look thicker...
don't know why but i can't attach a 30k image, now it says 20k only !!

[sebek27]

...

[sebek27]

the back still looks weird; i don't think i'll get it too look too real, but it is my first try at car modeling and still learning the software.. hopefully my second car will be much better

[sebek27]

no comments or suggestions ?? please tell me what needs to be fixed/redone !

[ThirdEye]

That's not bad at all for a first car Sebek, try to keep the mesh clean and all the points aligned and ordered, let them "flow" on the model. Try, try and try again, it's the only way to learn the software and the modeling techniques. It's like playing chess, 1st of all you have to learn the rules, then you have to learn how to use them properly. Good luck and good work so far :)

[pit]

It's like playing chess, 1st of all you have to learn the rules, then you have to learn how to use them properly

... and then, but only then, forget all the rules and you´ll begin creating art.

I not much into cars (don´t even have a drivers license), so I am not really qualified to crit, but I think your car looks cool - remember your first attempts and this is 100fold better - so just stick at it.

[sebek27]

i updated the back... i seem to have a hard time when it comes to symmetry, when i create one side and drop in the symmetry object, the other half is way off so then i have to move it around till it fits in with the rest of the car.. any way to have perfect symmetry in the first place ?

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by sebek27
i updated the back... i seem to have a hard time when it comes to symmetry, when i create one side and drop in the symmetry object, the other half is way off so then i have to move it around till it fits in with the rest of the car.. any way to have perfect symmetry in the first place ?


To avoid this kind of issue i simply reuse the same simmetry object copying and pasting the 1st one i created in the scene. This way i'm sure the coordinates of the several simmetry objects are always the same in my scene.

[sebek27]

ah that was it! thanks thirdeye!

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by sebek27
ah that was it! thanks thirdeye!

np buddy :)

[sebek27]

i have three separate pieces here: back side, trunk and bumper
do you create the lights by selecting outermost points on the edge of each piece then split and connect them all to create the lights as the image shows ? but then they are flat... so add points and bridge to make them beveled a bit?

[ThirdEye]

I'd reuse the yellow points you have in your pic, bridge them, then add cuts and pull the new vertexes to obtain the shape you want to get.

[sebek27]

i decided to play around with HDR and here is a test render.. just for fun

http://www.webstormdigital.com/hondahdr.htm

[ThirdEye]

You know what... It looks really cool! You're on the right track to learn the software, go ahead! :thumbsup:

[sebek27]

i'm very happy that i chose C4D over LW, i used the LW demo for a few months and couldn't get anywhere; this program is so easy to learn and i would have never gotten as far as I have with LW... plus all the great help from you and everyone else in this forum Cheers to Maxon :applause: :applause: :applause:

[sebek27]

i think i finally got the bottom part of the car too look correct... man it took me a long time to get it looking this way! i redid it about 3 times... now i need to redo the door handle and side view mirror, not sure if it's better to do them separately and just add to the door, or actually use the points already on the door to create the handle/mirrors...

[ThirdEye]

it's getting really cool :)

[sebek27]

in the c4dgallery there is a great car render and below it says this: Approx 3 days. Taken from CAD data

what do you mean cad data ? is that better for modeling cars and where can i find this data.. probably more precise blueprints ??

[AdamT]

Hard to say what they mean by CAD data in this instance. Maybe they had access to the engineering model of the manufacturer?

[ThirdEye]

CAD data = they received the model from the car factory. If the model is clean enough you can reuse it, otherwise you have to rebuild the car following what they gave you.

[sebek27]

just updated with some HDR after i finished the bottom of the doors... also doing the convertible top, right now it looks kind of flat, i know.. looking to create realistic material soon..
http://www.webstormdigital.com/hondahdr.htm

[WChestnutt]

Nice render!!

Will

[sebek27]

here is an update, still need to define the hood, finish the lights and of course i don't think the tires are nice at all :(.... i want them to be thin with better looking rims.... i can't get my render to look as nice as it did before, i don't remember how i had it setup.. comments and suggestions anyone ?
also, under radiosity, what settings would give you pretty good renders and will render fast ?

[dg3d]

Sebek glad you choose C4D over LW because i can say that i tried all the demo of the software and its Cinema 4D that got my attention.

Nice car and you are learning quickly and nice play with the HDR. I won't be able to do HDR but soon i will add the advanced render to my c4d.

For the settings i don't know very much, the best is to maybe start with low settings or the default (if there is one) and then change one setting a little bit to see the result.

[sebek27]

here is a better render... i'll work on the tires and lights and i'll post when those are done...
http://www.webstormdigital.com/hondarenders.htm

[sebek27]

here is my last render... i'm getting something weird happening in the render on the red part of the car, spots.. maybe i'll increase the settings in radiosity... anyways, i need some feedback on how the tires look what needs to be improved with the tires etc.
top 2 are the newest:
http://www.webstormdigital.com/hondarenders.htm


edit:
is there anyway to dim down the highlights on my car ? (the bright white areas) without having to actually rotate the hdr/sky image ?

[sebek27]

i like the way my composite came out.. i used the background image from maxon's site... tomorrow i'll take my own pic...
now i will work on the headlights as i stated earlier

http://www.webstormdigital.com/composite.htm

[Mifa]

Hey man you do a nice job on you car keep uo man :thumbsup:

[sebek27]

finally getting back to my s2000... had some freelance work to do... working on the headlights and finishing up the car..

http://www.pixeloxygen.com/honda.htm

[JIII]

err its not loading. I mean your image.

[sebek27]

hm... should be working..

[JIII]

hmm now it loads like 1/4 of the car it does look nice but a bit too reflective and plastic but who really cares lol.

Its still a WIP.

[sebek27]

i'm having a hard time getting a good car paint... pupii did an awesome job on his ! and his reflections and not too bright like mine... pupii if you are listening, any help would be appreciated, settings etc... or thirdeye for that matter - by the way, how is the mercedes coming ?

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by sebek27
how is the mercedes coming ?

The Merc is coming out really good, the only thing i'm having some difficulty on is the head and rear lights, i must find the time to go to some Merc store here in Rome and check how the internal structure is made. I'm having a lot of fun with my new character tho :)

[sebek27]

working on car paint... i can't seem to get rid of the top really bright spot, i tried all the settings under the material.. is it the HDR image itself and it can't be changed ?

[Leonardo Vega]

Nice work! Do you plan to attach the whole thing later and make it one mesh or will it remain seperate pieces?

As far as the paint, looks nice, but I agree it's a bit bright. Take a look at one of the latest issues of 3D World (when I get home I can post which one exactly it is). In the back there is an article that talks about making "realistic" car paint.

Keep it up. I have the urge to build a car now :lightbulb

Must keep busy!

-Leo

[sebek27]

it will remain separate pieces that's how the car should be made i think, plus why make it one piece ? the car is one piece with different pieces split up.. not sure what you mean.. i do have that 3d mag but it says you need to copy the whole model so the rendering will be way up there, plus pupii and thirdeye did it somehow..

[Halogen]

are you actually using the hdri as the material for the car? or are you having it as something to be reflected. Play around with lumas in the luminance channel, maybe some inversed fresnel in the environment, a small bit of reflection and your core colour. Im not exactly sure. It requires a lot of tweaking until you are satisfied...

[jugalo180]

i justed started on a car two days ago. i have been working with 3d for a month now. i found this thread while looking for a way to seperate my pieces. i looked at your mesh and it helped me out. i can place my wip here also sebek, if you don't mind.

originally posted by sebek working on car paint... i can't seem to get rid of the top really bright spot, i tried all the settings under the material.. is it the HDR image itself and it can't be changed ?

i am just a newbie who has been learning from this forum, but maybe i can help. try turning down the brightness of your hdri in the luminance setting. are you doing your hdri the two sphere or sky method?

i noticed third eye is working on a mercedez. i am also i'm working on the s class.

[sebek27]

sure post your car... i think i tried that already but i'll double check when i'm home thx

[jugalo180]

i am going to post it. i am having the hardest time with the front lights. i have the cut out for it in the hood and in the body of the car but to get the bubbly eye light to fit snuggly in is a challenge for me. i am modelling mine in a symmetry so i'm only working on one half right now. all of my pieces are seperated. i have a lot of work to do.

http://home.bellsouth.net/coDataImages/p/Groups/154/154451/folders/101436/687728mercedess-class.jpg

[jugalo180]

hey sebek, how did you smooth out your mesh? i have 8.0 and Iron or supa smooth seems not to work with my version.

[sebek27]

i used hypernurbs and edge weighting...
here is my latest car paint update bottom image..
http://www.pixeloxygen.com/honda.htm

[jugalo180]

i just did a search and i see that third eye has been working on the same car that i am trying to do. man, his model is blowing mine out of the water. i almost feel embarrassed to post mine up.

[sebek27]

i know how you feel, his merc is looking awesome, can't wait to see it... but don't dispair, post your work, that's how you get better by learning from mistakes and just keep at it..

[WSzP]

Nice car. I think I should grab my Genius NewSketch 1212HR III and make some WIP for this forum. :)

[sebek27]

better renders i think... http://www.pixeloxygen.com/honda.htm

now i'll focus on finishing the car

[RusMan]

Hey Sebek, looks very nice.
I really like your paint material, can you post your settings if it's not a secret. My prelude looks way too reflective and I don't know the way to fix it.

[jugalo180]

i am going to start over, i am dissapointed in the way the mesh was looking.

[sebek27]

here they are for the paint material:

color setting:
R -100
G -0
B -0
brightness -100
image - fresnel
mix - normal set to 50%

reflection settings:
RGB all 0
brightness - 100
image - fresnel
mix - normal set to 41%

environment:
RGB and brightness all at 100%
image - building probe.hdr
mix - multiply at 3%

specular:
mode - metal
width 100
height 77
falloff 52
inner width 0

sky map with only luminance channel on with building probe.hdr
MIP - O - 0% S - -1%
multiply 41%

render settings accuracy at 80%
stochastic set to 300
min 5 max 50

there you go..

[JIII]

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[JIII]

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exact quote.

[sebek27]

what the f.....

[sebek27]

here they are.. under 20k so quality is low..

[fdb]

Originally posted by jugalo180
i just did a search and i see that third eye has been working on the same car that i am trying to do. man, his model is blowing mine out of the water. i almost feel embarrassed to post mine up.

Your not alone, i've been trying to model a GT40 for the last 2 weeks, it's my first car and even though freinds etc have said what i've done so far is great, i think it's a mess, but if we dont post what we do, we'll never know how good or bad it really is. I just try to remind myself that the people who are creating these awesome models, not just cars, also probably went through the same thing and it's only by having the experts tell us where we went wrong, that we'll progress.

As much as i'm not sure about it, i'm going to post my progress probably tomorrow after i get up, i'm intent on taking my love for all things 3D a step further hopefully one day to career level and the only way i can do that is with help and advice from the "ones who know"..

Just my two cents anyway :)

[sebek27]

since i have nothing better to do, i just updated my avatar a bit.. just jumping on the band wagon :buttrock:

[modestmouse]

Way to go on the car and nice to see the avatar update revoloution going!

[WSzP]

Gr8 avatar. :)
The car is progressing very well. :thumbsup:
If you need some temporary storage place for your images, contact me in PM.

[sebek27]

thanks ! my site should be back on this weekend

[jugalo180]

man this is another person who has modeled the mercedes sclass

http://www.c4d-forum.de/galerie/galerie/bilder/Transportmittel/3991.jpg

i am trying to figure out how to model the front, i don't know if it would be better to model seperately and seamelessly attach it or model it with the frame. i only have the hood done so far. would anyone else share there plan of attack for a model like this?

[sebek27]

i want to create a honda ad once the car is done.. tiny update, working on the headlights and car paint. http://www.pixeloxygen.com/honda.htm

[jugalo180]

you are looking really good over there. i scrapped the other model. i started from scratch. it's the same car but i'm taking my tme on it.

http://prod.bsis.bellsouth.net/coDataImages/p/Groups/154/154451/folders/101436/692908mercedess-class500.jpg

[handige_harrie]

Hey sebek I got some digital photo's I made of my uncle's S2000. Including some headlight/taillight closeups.

Contact me on msn if you are interested: http://members.home.nl/hcgl.hermans/contact-me.jpg

[RusMan]

Thanks for mat. setting sebek:beer:

[sebek27]

this time i'm using pupii's setup: 2 sky objects with low res tif's and it looks much better... thanks pupii :buttrock:

http://www.pixeloxygen.com/honda.htm

[sebek27]

i will be finishing up my car soon and wanted to get some feedback on what needs to be changed and how the latest render looks like, keep in mind i am working on the back and front headlights... and can't seem to get a realistic chrome look on the rims..

http://www.pixeloxygen.com/honda.htm

[smoke]

lookin' good
The hood needs some thinkness to it as does the front pillars

[sebek27]

working on new rims for my s2000, the previous were really awful, comments suggestions ?

http://www.pixeloxygen.com/rims.htm

for some reason i can't do the [img] to display right in the thread, how do you do it ?
by the way, today i ordered Cinema 4D XL 8 so no more questions/comments on whether i should get c4d or LW, i'm going with C4D i see a great future for this awesome program - allelujah :buttrock:

[RusMan]

Man, you're still working on that Honda, you must have a lot of patienc. I should finish my Prelude some time, but I started another car two days ago, it's a Supra, I hopefully will finish it. :)
Congrats on finally getting C4D, good choise:buttrock:
about those rims, are the rim and "star" two different meshes, or is it one mesh, and post some wireframe.

[sebek27]

the rim and star are separate, but i'm working on making it one piece

[RusMan]

OK, I should try using that method, making them sepparate, cause I can't quite get the wheel modeling, it always looks like crap. Post a wireframe, and a grey render, cause it's kinda hard to see.

[sebek27]

here is the latest render. I'm redoing the rims, side mirrors and back lights:

http://www.pixeloxygen.com/images/honda2.jpg
http://www.pixeloxygen.com/images/hondanew.jpg

[sebek27]

resurrecting my honda.. I know I need to darken the windows since there is no interior; i'm redoing the rims, still notice the seam in the front..
i'm not sure why i'm getting the strange color difference in the front of the car and the hood

http://www.pixeloxygen.com/imagetest/finishhonda.jpg

[sebek27]

nobody has anything to comment ??

[prayas]

like the whole bodywork. bit bumpy on some places bur thats fine tuning.

One thing in hard words! The wheels suck! make better wheels. :)

P..:

[RorrKonn]

Nice ride,
for my first C4D 9 mesh thought I would try a ride.learn alot with rides.
can't help with the shadier but if ya quantize the center points will fix the seem.

RorrKonn
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zBrush 2,Poser 5...+ Anything else I can afford.

Just think of the insanity we would lose with out 3D.

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