Uplift Universe - Image Entry: Jack Zhang

[JackZhang]

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Phase 1(March 20th - Apirl 10th): Modeling. 3 characters
Week 1: girl
day 1-2: head
day 3: hand
day 4-5 body
day 6: outfit retouch + weapon
day 7: rig

Week 2: neo chimp
day 1: head
day 2: hand
day 3-4: body
day 5: outfit retouch + weapon
day 6: rig

Week 3: Gubru
day 1-2: design
day 3-4: head
day 5: hand
day 6-7: body
day 8: outfit retouch + weapon
day 9: rig

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Phase 2 (April 10th - April 20th): Texturing. 3 characters. average of 3 days each.

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Phase 3 (April 21th - May 10th): Rendering. PS retouch.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206139165_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206139165_large.jpg)

phase_1, day_02, girl head mesh complete on time.

[reynard]

hey Jack

I really like the head of the girl, the way you have combine straight lines and rounded forms in the design is excellent!

[Playmobil]

Hello jack
really cool design
:D

goodluck!

frk

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206152463_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206152463_large.jpg)

recycled a suit mesh from another personal project. with some tweaking,trying to match the cartoonish head.

[JackZhang]

emm. interesting. i got double post.

[grafixsuz]

Nice start and your planning seems reasonable. The models face is great and you have a nice style tied with it. Look forward to your further posts.

[johnstrieder]

Yep, that's a very very nice Style! :)

[HornlessUnicorn]

Cool! Good luck in the contest!

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206226651_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206226651_large.jpg)

day 3, girl body mesh wip.
don't like the shoes very much. fixing.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206233485_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206233485_large.jpg)

a quick color test.

[SweD]

huuu...great character and fast modeling !!
Wish you the best in this contest, is seems that's in a good way.
:thumbsup:

[joshpurple]

Wow, that looks outstanding! Great schedule and selection of subjects :thumbsup: .

[JackZhang]

Thanks guys for your visit and encouragement. It seems like i'm a little bit a head of the schedule right now. I will try to finish her by Tuesday.

[nochuss]

awesome heels on them boots

[DaVee]

Nice model,

I join nochuss previous post, i like the shoes. seems to be spring shoes. ;)

Good luck on this challenge.

David.

[JuanManuel]

Impressive work. I'll follow this thread eagerly.

[SandySims]

Wow, talk about being organized! I only wish I was that organized. I realize I'm decidely a newbie here, but I'd say you were off to a great start!

Sandy

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206295378_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206295378_large.jpg)

added some detail on the waist for keeping consistency of style. refined her legs and butt. redesign her boots this afternoon.

this is day 4. I am on the schedule.

[Dann-O]

Great work on this and quick too. I will enjoy seeing this develop. Look forward to future updates.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206306411_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206306411_large.jpg)

end of day 4.
working on the hand. arm left. Tiffany shall be done by the end of tomorrow (day 5)
weapon and rig on day 6. model complete on day 7.

[thebest]

always been a fan keep going :thumbsup:

[grooshka]

Hello there,

Nice going with this gal character. She looks like she would been taken directly from PIXAR's brand new movie. Long to see her posed and textured.

Keep going.

[gpepper]

Another great character design Zack !

[JackZhang]

reynard: Thanks Christopher for dropping by. The facial style of the character is something I found during the strange behavior challenge. Glad that you like it.

Playmobil: Thanks Francesco. Good luck to you too.

grafixsuz: Thanks Wayne for your comment. Hope you like the rest of the progress.

js3d: Thank you John.

hornlessunicorn: Thanks Dimitrij. I really enjoy your "Minotaur's Leisure"

SweD: Hey Cyril, it's an honor to have you here. Have you joint the current challenge yet?

joshpurple: Thanks Josh. Glad you enjoy it so far.

nochuss: Hey Steven. Thank you for saving my boots!

DaVee: David, you and Steven saved my design. I was kinda doubting about it. Since both of you gave positive comment, I decided to keep it.

JuanManuel: Thank you Juan. Good luck to you too.

SandySims: Hehe, thanks Sandy. It's my 4th time entering the cgchallenge now so I kinda know my way around. I need to save more time on modeling and spend more time on the environment and final retouch.

Dann_O: Hey Daniel, the character will be complete tonight. Hope you enjoy the rest of the progress.

thebest: Antone! It's been a long while. How you doing so far. Entering this challenge or not?

grooshka: shh.... Don't let PIXAR hears it! They will put me behind the bars! :P joking. Good luck with your entry as well mate.

gpepper: Gilles! How's going! I like the design of your alien face. good luck!

[SweD]

SweD: Hey Cyril, it's an honor to have you here. Have you joint the current challenge yet?
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Ohhh thank you Jack :blush: it praise my ego :scream: .
I don't really know at this time if i enter the challenge or not. My schedule is a bit full, archi works and animation in preparation.
Moreover, this subject isn't really for me i guess. It is too focused on characters, and i'm not a great character modeler. and....it not inspire me. off-days. :/
On the other hand, it's always a pleasure and a personnal motivation to compete with you all.
I'll take some days to think about it. ;)

Your last upload is really great, returning on the main subject. i really like the design of the high heel.
i see that we'll have 3 weeks of pure character modeling, i already enjoy it.
i'vn't see a pitch of your global idea (i think), no ? could it be possible to know more about it ? ^^

[thebest]

thebest: Antone! It's been a long while. How you doing so far. Entering this challenge or not?


well I want to but I think I will wait a little untill I`am satisfied with an idea .........I hope that becomes soon lol

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206503178_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206503178_large.jpg)

yesterday was day 05, i was giving class in the night. no progress.

day 06 today. according to the schedule I suppose to do outfit retouch and weapon. I have complete the girl. weapon left.

will try to complete the weapon tonight. If not, tomorrow with rig.

[Cyberone]

nice fast work there...
love the design and the simple coloures...
cant wait to see more..

[SweD]

it seems to be so simple when i look at this like that...

Perfect timing, excellent model, and well execution. pro job :thumbsup:

[Maph]

Clean and tight looking model. Although posed it would do it a lot more justice, but still very cool! :thumbsup:

[JuanManuel]

Any chance of a wireframe shot? Or is it all being done in Zbrush?

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206550762_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206550762_large.jpg)

as requested, posting girl wireframe.
this is sub-0 in xsi.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206551198_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206551198_large.jpg)

mesh with 2 subdivision in xsi. no zbrush for this project

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206584284_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206584284_large.jpg)

working on the skinning right now. still have many areas need to tweak. giving her a turn table show pose for now.

This is day 07, I might take tomorrow for skinning. Meaning that i will be one day late. I will try to get that day back by speed up modeling the chimp.

[Playmobil]

cool man
u r really fast
cute girl, but i think she have some proportions fix to do.
but, if this proportion r exactly if u want on your model, dont mind... :)

[SDIMIS]

Great modeling,clean pro work!:thumbsup:

[thebest]

keep going .......waiting for more :thumbsup:

[digitaldecoy]

You've got a nice start here with your first character. Keep up the good work!

Btw, the back of the boot will intersect with the leg quite strong as soon as you bend her knee (allready happens in your pose). You might consider to adjust the contour there a bit.

[somethingofthesort]

I like your style on the human character. A few minor things I see is what other people have already commented on. The pose needs a little work, the right hip seems like you could bring it in a bit and of course the intersecting boot (i'm sure it'll be fixed when you skin it). Also, It seems like the head is floating, maybe you could hint towards a neck going down into the suit. Other than that, it looks great!! I'll keep following your thread.

[JackZhang]

SDIMIS the best Maph: Thank you guys.

Cyberone: Thanks Simon. I love your giant panda. Good luck with your entry!

SweD: Your comments are very appreciated here, Cyril. I will try my best not to let you down.

JuanManuel: Hey Juan, the wireframes are posted as you requested.

Playmobil: Thank you Francesco. I decide to take two extra nights to fix some areas to get a better cartoony body and reskin it later.

digitaldecoy: What a great pleasure to have you here Daniel! I love your work in Expose 5 soooo much. Way too cute. I will fix the mesh of the boots tonight so they don't create much problem when she bends her knees.

somethingofthesort: Wayne, you are absolutly right. she has no neck now :P I will put it on tonight. I won't worry about this pose very much. This is just a quick turn table one, more or less for testing skinning result. I will repose her with her neo-chimp together after both characters are complete, with weapons etc. Give me another two nights, I will refine her.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206680224_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206680224_large.jpg)

Day 08 note:

I took some advice of a senior and re-shaped Tiffany a little bit. Basically increased the arm and leg length, give a bit cartoon feeling to the legs as well. I also added neck.

weighting is 75% complete. Tomorrow I shall complete her with weapon.

I am 1 day behind the schedule.

[rococo]

haha.. gald to ur fixed model..

the leg is better than before..

but i think u can make she arm little muscle ..and make thin and long ..Mnnnnn..

NICE WORK...

HOHO..

[ThomasWest]

Hi...

I saw your weeks are 7, 8 or 9 day long... :)
When the passion come, sleep is a waist of time... :)

Great work, best luck for challenge...


Bye

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206757807_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206757807_large.jpg)

not very good at drawing. here's a quick and small concept of the environment.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206766567_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206766567_large.jpg)

Day 09 note:

I finished the weighting. There are a few area in term of proportion have minor issue, I tried to fix them without affecting the weighting, but it didn't work.

Time to make a decision, let her go or spend more time on her. I decide to pass on. I will zbrush refine some of the silhouette after posing her.

Neo-Chimp tomorrow.

[thebest]

I agree with ur decision mate it`s time to move on ...........can`t wait to see the chimp :bounce:

[RupertD]

Looking great. Love the closeup shots of the girl. Maybe theres still space to play with individual element sizing ie could the feet be smaller and the hands smaller? Colourwise maybe the blue hair should nudge towards charcoal? Looking forward to the chimp!

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206821120_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206821120_large.jpg)

Day 10 note:

A quick update on Tiffany's weapon. I want to make her a small one, around the size of what princess Leia had but more next-gen.

Working on the head of the chimp.

[Dragot]

haha she reminds me of a female version of mega man with that gun.
looking good

[tkier]

Your tiffany character turned out great. Nice work. Looking forward to seeing your chimp.

[alexichabane]

Great job on your female character model. I like the armour design a lot, it has a nice mix of classic sci-fi details and modern design elements (cool organic shapes with sharp angular cut lines). The way the weapon flows around her hand is especially nice.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206843459_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206843459_large.jpg)

Day 10 note:

I named the chimp Knuckle. Finished the head today. According to the original schedule I suppose to finish the head yesterday. I was 2 days behind, and now I am a day behind. Catching up.

[Dann-O]

Really liking the progress and look forward to knuckle and how he will turn out. Great toon look to it also.

[TheFreak]

I really like the style of your work, looks great too.

Looking forward to seeing what you do with these guys

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206934379_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1206934379_large.jpg)

quick update on the body.

[Airflow]

Nice work mate, wanna see the final.
Id have entered if I wasnt doing Dw3 and all this freelance work. Id have probably done Hoopgirl from my gallery and an ailen on the back of a giant mount.
Cool work

[zweiDee]

Jack you the man! All the best for the challange.
Cheers

[OZ]

Extreme cool stuff here! :thumbsup:

[HFix]

great modeling and character design! i love the monkey so far...you have a great style!

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1207014757_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1207014757_large.jpg)

worked on the hands and the over-all silhouette.

[na]

You're really organised! Great models, the girl especially. Good luck!

[rococo]

monkey..monkey....look like urself...hehe...

nice work....

i watching u........

[BLX]

Nice characters! I like your approach with the cartoon style. Waiting for the composition to offer more comments since so far the characters looks great! Wish you good luck Jack!

[JackZhang]

rococo: Thank you so much for your advices rococo, and gratz that you can view your posts now. Forgive me for not spend more time on the arms. But your push on the legs really made a beautiful difference, to me, at least.

Giokr-2027: Boy, i got sick two days after this posts. the changing of the weather and a little bit frustration give me another priceless cold+fever again. I might rest tonight. I might.

thebest: You see the chimp now.

RupertD: Will see what the color of the hair turn out to be in the scene light. Great suggestion, Thanks a ton Rupert.

Dragot: There you go Sean, you hit it! That's where the inspiration came from!

tkier, alexichabane, Dann-O, TheFreak, Airflow, zweiDee, OZ, HFix, Prealyking, BLX : Thank you guys! i will not let you down.

[sweet_bee]

:) This is a really interesting challenge~
nice characters~keep going, shifu~:D
btw, i especially like Tiffany's weapon. nice design~!

p.s.take care~hope u feel better.:)

[thebest]

yea I can clearly see it lol I like the style alot keep it up :thumbsup:

[SweD]

your chimp looks definitivly like me at the morning... ahah.

:beer:

excellent Jack, he is pretty good :thumbsup:

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1207197116_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1207197116_large.jpg)

day 12 note:

With a fever, I finished Knuckle. I will give him some suit that fits Tiffany tomorrow.

Is it really day 12 now? I lost count...

[grafixsuz]

I really like what you've done so far, just wondering why the monkey is so square shaped? Styl differs slightly from the girls style I felt looking at it, just wait to see what you pull together. Nice and clean modeling B.T.W.

[OZ]

Your model is growing up very well! again..i like your style sooo much!:D

[odedios]

i also like your cartoonish style very much. looks fun.
cant wait to see ur final image.

[rococo]

hehe...ur girl's feet is so big..but ur mokey feet is so small...

[thebest]

the area of the leg above the knee is a bit thin .......

[Youplaboum]

HI JackZhang,
Great work so far.
Just something I noticed : the chimp reminds me a lot of an other chimp that was made in this short film -> Burning safari (http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=X0UmVrKC9hA) made in the Goblin school in france, which was also inspired by gorillaz monkeys. Is that why you have a squared style on this character. I would suggest you to go back to your womens style in the shape of the chimp, like grafixsuz mentionned.
Good luck in this challenge !

[thedoc]

yo, met on IM one time. Cool looking girl! Cant wait for more, hope you finish?

Enqore

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1207702954_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1207702954_large.jpg)

Finally recovered my health. Start to work on Gubru.

[nmcelmury]

Very nice looking models so far Jack, keep up the good work! I still love that frickin monkey :cool:

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1207714214_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1207714214_large.jpg)

Gubru body. According to the plan I shall finish him on 10th. I will try to make it on time.

[Donglu-LittleFish]

You have been really efficient last night! I really like the design of Gubru, it echoes well with the design of the girl! :)

Nope, I didn't get the cold from you, it is just the weather getting too "moody" in Montreal.

[JackZhang]

OZ,odedios,rococo : Thank you~

sweet_bee: Nie! Good tudi, thanx for coming.

thebest: Tony, good to have you join the challenge. I like your bus. very clean.

SweD: Hahaha. Next time I will give him a pajama.

grafixsuz: I posted the non-sub base mesh. with sub-2 it looks a lot smoother.

hardwork: The chimp was totally inspired by Burning safari! I love that short! I always try to find a right word to explain the style I'm aiming for. Yesterday all of a suddent I found it! It's the McFarlance's manga spawn style.

thedoc: Will definitly finish!

nmcelmury: Me too! I love the fricking monkey!

[SteevieWoo]

Aw man! I can't believe I haven't seen you around until now! great to see you going so well!!

I always enjoy you modeling, sharp and solid... like clay figures they would rock!.I like the girl a lot, her hair is neat for a space lady, the chimp's stare is very good also.


Well, I'll be checking your thread a lot! Best luck pal!!

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1207783044_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1207783044_large.jpg)

here comes the concept that is a lot more closer to my pre-visualization. two Gubru will be at power point 1, Tiffany and Knuckle at power point 4.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1207790010_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1207790010_large.jpg)

If I finish Gubru tomorrow, then I'm on the schedule. Looks like I can make it.
Don't like the hands. will change them tomorrow.

[Dann-O]

Really like Gubru he has a great look. Look forward to the sahders and textures on him. I like the combination of harder edges and soft contous that are on him and the girl.

[AlonChou]

HI Jack
always love yoyr style
especialy the Gubru,
great job mate!

congrateshttp://forums.cgsociety.org/images/icons/icon13.gif

Alon

[walrus]

Nice job on all of the characters so far. I really like your style and the models are coming along great so far. My main crit would be going backa couple of characters to Tiffany. She was lookign really cute and interesting... until you covered up her eyes. Eyes are the window of the soul, and she has a lot less when we can't see her eyes. I thought she was much more rlatable when her eyes weren't hidden by goggles. But aside from that, just looking forward to seeing what sort o scenario and scene you place them all in. Good luck!

[asparta]

good work, Jack! I like the characters very much. Why don't you try to make them closer to acheve more powerfull interaction. keep going i'm eager to see your composition.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1207841001_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1207841001_large.jpg)

Few, including Donglu Yu gave me some good suggestions on the composition of the image yesterday. Here's a reference I picked for studying. Concept credit gives to Barontieri.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1207845116_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1207845116_large.jpg)

made a quick modification. putting Tiffany and Knuckles in. Not the final pose indeed.

[Pegahoul]

I like the first scene a lot. There's a nice contrast there both in color and character.
This is really getting interesting ^^

[TMArtist]

Jack, I like your work a lot. This looks like it's going to be really good!

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1207878564_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1207878564_large.jpg)

UV him tomorrow. texture for 2 days. Then rig and pose.
Friday. 10th of April. I am on time.

[OZ]

UR LAST CONCEPTS ROCKS!!...cant wait to see some poses!! Now that pieces comes together Im thinking that ur image may be in serious way for final victory! (god...what a spaghetti english is mine!!:shrug: )

[nwiz25]

hey buddy!! :bounce: as usual your 3d work is simply delicious!! plus looking at your concept image, me know this is gonna be amazing!! good luck mate! :thumbsup:

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208054316_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208054316_large.jpg)

Phase2 now, starting with Gubru. Planning to take 3 days.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208059057_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208059057_large.jpg)

will finish the body tomorrow.followed by gears.

[tkier]

Your gubru is awesome. Cant wait to see this finished.

[Paul4wood]

Great models with attitude and style! You obviously know your stuff!:applause:

[DMNY]

Tight and clean as what I've come to expect from you, Jack. Best of luck for the competition.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208145225_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208145225_large.jpg)

Need some help deciding which color...

[kojala]

Hey.. great characters. I like most the monkey, its so simple. about gubru coloring.. I vote the top green one.

[thebest]

wow that gubru looks awsome I think something between the first and last one should be cool

[OZ]

HEY! cool update! Mapping and colors works pretty well!:)

[Donglu-LittleFish]

Jack, you would probably guessed it already, I vote for the first one! :)

[bl4i5e]

I prefer the one in the middle, i like the fluorescent green, it looks more extraterrestrial. I think the one at the top is maybe too much of a "ninja turtle" green. I also prefer the color of the armor on the last one but this is just for the purpose of helping, everything is just really great and well made...im eager to see the end result of all this. Awesome work!

[scala]

I love your 3D and 2D concept ...Waiting for some more

[JackZhang]

Dann-O, Pegahoul, TMArtist, tkier, Paul4wood, DMNY, kojala, thebest, scala Thanks a ton guys for your priceless comments and suggestions!

SteevieWoo: Congratulations Gabriel on recieving the choice award for your previous Strange Behavior work. Let's see what you can come up with this time!

AlonChou: Too bad you aren't in this challenge. I really would expect another excellent work. On the other hand, so nice you aren't in this challenge. I have more chance to win. Muahaha

walrus: Michael, you are absolutly right. The glass is only for the turntable. I will remove it once she is in the scene.

asparta: Thank you so much Asparuh for your great suggestion!

OZ: Hey Fabio, Thanks a lot for your encouragement!

nwiz25: Neville, the time is ticking! Hurry up and give us another great piece this time!

Donglu-LittleFish: Those boys in the class seem to be very happy to end their first semester. I am happy too. I now have one week of break. Teaching in the night is really exhausting...

bl4i5e: Hey Blaise, so nice to see Donglu's co-worker here. Thank you so much for supporting both of us. Maybe we can grab a coffee sometime in the future.

[KevinDubeau]

Hey Jack, finally got my account working... Great characters so far! Only one thing, (I don't know if it was already said) I think the details on the texture of the metal plated shoulders ( as well on the ''trousers'') are not well defined, they look blured. I think I spotted a little stretching on the top-right side on the region of the left eye. Anyway, I vote for the middle one because there is a little bit more contrast color than the third one, it helps to punch out the different part of this Gubru, and I think the first is kinda deja vue.. but anyway awsome work! If you win this contest I shall split a rice with you! ;)

[bearfoot]

hey jack

sweet work so far mate .. really looking forward to more

cheers
n

[Gurugugnola]

your style is wonderful! :bowdown:

[Intervain]

nice one Jack - love the monkey in particular. top colour for me :) Keep it up:thumbsup:

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208319549_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208319549_large.jpg)

Gubru is 90% done. model his weapon, finish him, then rig with pose.

[JoPu]

Hi:wavey:,
cute and clean 3d character, i like it:thumbsup:

Uplift Universe Entry (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?threadid=616597)

[Pegahoul]

That Gubru is cute! Keep it up! ^^

[AlonChou]

ha! yeah wish you all the best
my freind!
finish it in the end this time, http://forums.cgsociety.org/images/icons/icon7.gif
well done, good luck!

Alon

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208390902_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208390902_large.jpg)

Gubru with weapon. Will give him final pose tonight.

[Donglu-LittleFish]

Jack, I really love the Gubru design, one day, we should make a miniature of it with clay!

[Ferx]

Hey Jack, wooow incredible designs and models, cool mate! :thumbsup: Like the concept and personalitys of your charecters. Maybe the armor on Gubru is a bit "barbarian" than for an alien warrior, only a comment :) Again, fantastic work and looking forward for mor updates on your concept. Cheers mate!! :beer:

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208400660_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208400660_large.jpg)

Gubru A, final pose.

[walrus]

The Gubru model is looking great, Jack! Love his weapon and his creepy red eyes. I only have one little nit to pick: In Brin's books, the Gubru were birds. To quote from Brin's "Contacting Aliens,""Gubru resemble gangly birds, approximately 1.8 meters tall... They stand, ostrich-like, on three-toed legs. The stork-like beak has an extensible tongue..." Should this put a crimp in your plans? Not at all! Go for the easiest fix: Just don't call them Gubru and call them something else instead. You wouldn't want judging to come down harshly on your entry because you didn't get the Gubru right, but who's to say whether you got the Star Clan of the Tygll'll (or some other alien name) wrong?

Good luck with the rest of the layout, and thanks for the network invite! :)

-mike

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208404134_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208404134_large.jpg)

Gubru B, final pose.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208406895_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208406895_large.jpg)

Tonight is a happy night. Both Gubru are posed. Tomorrow I will work on the final posing of Tiffany and Knuckle.

I really hope you enjoy tonight's final update.

[CGIPadawan]

Love the Gubru Aliens!

Amazing!

But do you have a sketch or Pre-Viz for the scene?

[Cographicz]

you have great modeling skills but i think your chimp will through off the scene (he/she is not as detailed as the others). i really like the texturing on the Gubru (that has always been my worst area) great job and good luck.

[zweiDee]

woa Jack the character designs are awesome.
the final poses lookz great, can't wait to see the final image.

maybe the shorts needs more detail? a belt buckle or some buttons like the bracers.
I don't no, you the man. You do it right!

cya Jack

[scala]

Jack you found a wonderful expression to your "guys" . Can' wait to see the render and the texture you gonna use.

[mim-Armand]

Hey Jack! Really really great charachter and a great expression on it buddy!

really love him and just wonna see your future progresses!
Keep up best work man,


Gl, mim

[JackZhang]

Bearfoot, Gurugugnola, JoPu, Pegahoul, AlonChou, scala, mim-Armand Thank you, my friends, for your motivation! (tears)

kevindubeau: Hey Kev, nice to have you here. Good to know that your cgtalk account finally works.

Intervian: Magdalena, where have you been? Too busy at work? Nice new model you got there. Loving it!

Donglu-LittleFish One day, one day when I move out of that tinny appartment :P

Ferx: Hey Fernando, thanks for coming. Yah, you are right. It's really barbarian/warrior type. The silhouette of Gubru is inspired by world of warcraft orc warrior. I want to make the Gubru heavy, huge, brutal. Making a contrast with Tiffany and Knuckle.

walrus: I'm gonna change Gubru to Qiang. Hahaha, that's my real chinese name. j/k. Thanks a ton Michael! I'm too lazy to read books :P

CGIPadawan: Giancarlo, I don't have any sketch or pre-viz. You will see the Gubru, Tiffany and Knuckle in action next week. Thanks for following!

Cographicz: Very good point Chris, you are absolutly right. I will make Knuckle closer to Tiffany tonight.

zweiDee: Zing!! brilliant call! I will get a buckle for them! Thanks a ton!

April 17th. 3 days away from ending Phase 2. I am seriously considering making some changes to the schedule.

17th: fix Knuckle
18th: pose Tiffany and Knuckle
19 - 20th: Texturing Tiffany
21 - 22th: Texturing Knuckle.
end of phase 2

23th - 25th: Environment modeling
26th - 28th: Environment texturing

29th -30th: camera position, models layout.
1st - 2th: render layers.
3th - 5th: PS retouch first pass
6th - 8th: PS retouch second pass
9th - 10th: Modeling video
11th: submission

I might shorten the time spending on texturing Tiffany and Knuckle, as well as Environment modeling and texturing.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208472231_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208472231_large.jpg)

Just a very rough putting-piece-together to show the composition. All environment elements may change. color theme is not final either. you should know where Tiffany and Knuckle will be.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208485546_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208485546_large.jpg)

Final pose of Tiffany is done. still have some tweaking to do. Knuckle is tomorrow.

[jeromoo]

Nice 3d work, Jack! The helmet on the Gubrus looks almost similar to the little alien soldiers in the Oddworld games, but with more expressions. Personally I feel that the green colour is too strong. Perhaps if you introduce some pale yellow patches with less saturated greens? It will make for a natural skin tone, I think.

Waiting to see further updates!

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208493654_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208493654_large.jpg)

I change the name of the aliens from Gubru to Kun.

Here's a size comparison of Tiffany and the Kun.

I decide not to fix Knuckle. Tomorrow I will give Knuckle a light suit and pose him.

[handlebar]

I love the modeling style, great characters with lots of personality.

[CGIPadawan]

Hmmm....

I like the scene idea.... Though it does remind me of the hiding scene in War Of The Worlds...
Can't wait to see Knuckle in it... although the filmmaker in me says he'll be in with the girl hiding from the Kun.... :)

Noted lighting and colors aren't final...but that can spell the difference between something like a "Keystone Capers" comedy scene with bumbling Kun Aliens, or a really gritty suspense scene involving heavily armed Kun Aliens.

[OZ]

NNNaaaaah...tooo cute!..:love:

Poses and expressions rocK a loT!!.

cANT'WAIt THE FInal ImaGE!..

:applause: :bounce: :applause:

[odedios]

Looks very good. Just one thing. Don´t you think the girl´s hand is huge? or maybe is just me. Anyways, great work.

[MartinNielsen]

Great modelling :) You managed to put great personality in your characters.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208665277_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208665277_large.jpg)

I didn't like the texture of Kun(Gubru).
I start changing it to a bit WOWish toony texture. Texturing is my weak point. It might take me longer to finish.

[Donglu-LittleFish]

I do like the new direction you are taking for the texturing part: very stylized and echoes more harmoniously with the stylish modeling you have there.
Keep it up!

p.s. The weather is so nice outside! :)

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208723166_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208723166_large.jpg)

Working on the weapon texture, plus adding a buckle on the belt.

[thebest]

looking great keep going :arteest:

[decosouza]

Good concept, amazing models. I just loved their expressions. Yu're going really great mate. Wainting for updates! http://forums.cgsociety.org/images/icons/icon7.gif

[SteevieWoo]

Wow I like the texture it looks wild! I like the froglike spots. one question: do they glow? because in the model they look great, but in the dark enviroment of the scene they could stand up too much. Just a thought anyway.

Well i got to say, I love the scared one's face. And it'll be great to de the textures on the girl...

You have mede an impressive progress!

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208741696_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208741696_large.jpg)

A test of Kun with scene light, plus some PS retouch test.

[scala]

Jack the texture looks good and I discover the "gun"'s texture I like that idea .

[digitaldecoy]

The Gubru texture turned out really nice! I very much like the look of the last textured pose. It lets the texture stand out and work really good with the cartoony modelling I think. I'm really curious how you will light your scene in the end. I hope, you don't get too realistic with the lighting so that your textures read nicely and colorful in the end.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208868435_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208868435_large.jpg)

got stuck on Knuckle fixing. moving onto scene layout and camera angle.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208925422_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1208925422_large.jpg)

Final texture and toon shading of Kun and Tiffany.

Working on Environment mesh tomorrow

[JackZhang]

Full size has more details.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y271/Jackzhang/Final_Kun_A.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y271/Jackzhang/Final_Kun_B.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y271/Jackzhang/Final_Tiffany.jpg

[OZ]

Damn Good Stuff Man!! nothing to crit!..gooooo!

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209006221_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209006221_large.jpg)

Tiffany's eye direction needs to be fixed. Kun_key_spot intensity may need to drop a bit.

Rock texture tmorrow.

[Donglu-LittleFish]

Jack, nice improvement of the composition!!! I also like the way that you changed the ratio of the canvas. Looking forward to see more! :)

[JackZhang]

handlebar, CGIPadawan, OZ, Martinielsen, thebest, decosouza :Thank you guys! For those of you who also entered this challenge, hurry up and good luck!

jeromoo: Jerome, congratz on finishing of the work. Thank you so much for your suggestion on the skin toon. I will adjust them before the final render.

odedios: Yes Oscar, I do think the girl's hand is huge. I might retouch before the final render or just leave it like that for now. There are a lot of things i dont' like about those models, mesh wise, texturing wise, pose wise, etc. However the time is close now, I need to finish Knuckle and move to final render and ps retouch.

SteevieWoo: Hey buddy, nice progress so far, time's ticking, you got hurry up, or else... :P

Scala: Thanx Eric. An idea of some sort of lava gun poped in my mind while I was texturing. Donglu said the color of the lava is too saturated, takes attention away from the Kuns. I do agree with her. I will desaturate that area when retouching in PS.

digitaldecoy: Final composition is out, as well as the lighting. you will see more progress tonight Daniel.

[stefgrafx]

Fine model and compo... :thumbsup:

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209069274_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209069274_large.jpg)

quick test of bg.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209099554_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209099554_large.jpg)

Rocks, Kun, Tiffany and Knuckle will eventually rendered separately. I will turn down the saturation of the rocks.

Knuckle is not in the scene, it is not 30th, final rendering and final retouch has not start yet.

[MartinNielsen]

Nice :bounce: Those aliens don't look too clever :)

[digitaldecoy]

I'm really enjoying your process here! It's very cool to watch it all come together.

I have some thoughts on the current WIP if you don't mind.

I think, it would be cool to make the perspective a bit more dramatic. Maybe a little fisheye lens distortion would help to emphasize the height of the Gubru. And make sure that Tiffany's finger really sits on her lips. At the moment, you can not definetely tell if she is pointing or doing the 'shh' gesture.

Great work so far! Keep up the good work!

[Kerem]

Watching your work in progress is so much fun. You are really doing a wonderful job :thumbsup:

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209196603_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209196603_large.jpg)

self note:
kun light tweak
kun position tweak
Kun shader check
left rock light check, shadow.
far bg ref.

[digitaldecoy]

Hi Jack!

My thoughts on this latest WIP:

Perhaps try to seperate the different planes of depth a bit more. But a little haze/fog into the scene to make the silhouettes of the characters read better. Also, don't let it get too dark!

[HornlessUnicorn]

Hi :)

Very impressive work! When I looked at your composition I somehow envisioned the rocks as half-transparent crystalline structures - you could play with the light passing through them. I also could imagine that giving the image some "ambient" colour or atmosphere would unite the composition - I could imagine something going toward the violet range.

Anyway - just some thoughts on my part.

Keep up the great work!:buttrock:

Dimitrij.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209267104_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209267104_large.jpg)

self note:
Knuckle, lower weapon arm, feet.

tomorrow weighting, weapon, shader, fix final scene, check and confirm turntable scenes.

[Donglu-LittleFish]

Jack, I really like the new posing of Tiffany and Knuckle. It makes the whole image very tight and the attention of the audience goes right on the Kuns. Keep your energy up! :)

[digitaldecoy]

But I feel sorry for the faces which are now not being seen. The silhouettes of the two character's faces are not really flattering. I liked the 'shh' pose better.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209328173_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209328173_large.jpg)

checking all scenes tonight. start to render passes tomorrow (28th). finish rendering all passes latest by 30th.

[JackZhang]

Warlus's recent update gives me the idea of showing how I form my image. I strongly suggest you to visit his entry, as well as check out his detailed progress. Many thanks Warlus.

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/15187/15187_1209283054_thumb.jpg (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=235&t=617573) (Warlus's entry)


so here comes mine. sorry not as detailed as Warlus'. In fact, not detailed at all, just explain what those five images are:

Toon shading - diffuse pass
Lambert shading - shadow/highlight pass
Ambient Occlusion - Multiply/Overlay pass
Layer combining result with background
Retouch and color correction result (close to final)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y271/Jackzhang/27th_update_progress.jpg

[sweet_bee]

it is so nice to see these updates. I really like the new composition for Tiffany.

I do agree w/ Daniel's advice. "add some haze/fog" will create more depth and pop out the main character a little bit.


I like what I see here~looking great~

keep going shifu! almost there!:D

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209444018_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209444018_large.jpg)

trying a new composition.
Lights are not correct.

[DaVee]

i agree with sweet_bee, you can add something in close up like rocks, alien plants,... and something in Background and create depth field maybe.

It's my 2cts.

However great cacarcters and improvements since i came here ;)

David.

[nwiz25]

yup .. i think a little fog will do ;) i guess, even a starry night sky, wat say bro?..
this is already turning out to be a big punch! :eek:
go go go! :p

[OZ]

WOW! great progress! i like your last cut. Better poit of view..is more dramatic!

[Kerem]

The expression of the alien (the one w/o weapon) is so amusing :scream: Really a great composition and character modeling work :thumbsup:

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209501880_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209501880_large.jpg)

need to change the rock behind tiffany. it breaks the image.

[Donglu-LittleFish]

Oh la la, sweet update for the background! Loving it! :)

[Cographicz]

coming along nicely keep up the good work.

[artizakO]

image looking great with that background, really goes well with the silhoutte.:thumbsup:

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209615652_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209615652_large.jpg)

rendering character turn tables right now.
fix some rocks then i will start the final render of each passes this weekend.

[Voidreamer]

wow, impressive work, mostly the modeling.

congratulations and good luck

[MartinNielsen]

Getting better... :) I think the alien in the back has too much fog though.

[DaVee]

It's better with fog indeed.

Well done.

david.

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209792737_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209792737_large.jpg)

changed tiffany and knuckle's pose.

[nwiz25]

lovin it dude! :p the fog really fills in nicely!

[walrus]

I like the new layout, Jack! However, I'm not sure what you're gaining by keeping Tiffan'ys weapon on her left hand.If she has a weapon, why is she hiding? Plus, you lose whatever expression you could have conveyed with that hand. What if, for example, you ditch the gun and put her right index finger to her lips as you had with soem earlier posts? Just an idea... Good luck!

[Dann-O]

Looking good what overall look are you going for in the end. I hope you keep a CG look like a Pixar animation. I have been following yrou progress every step of the way I will go back to lurking now.

[headtrip]

Excellent modeling skills and great character design!

I like the composition and colour scheme, this artwork has a great feel and I look forward to seeing the final entry! Good luck.

[scala]

The fog brings something to the atmosphere . De plus ça uniformise ton illustration .

[Paul4wood]

I really love your modeling skills and I like the anticipation in that last pose. Tiffany urges Knuckles to hold back until she gives the signal and he waits, searching her face for the first instant of expression that says...LET THEM HAVE IT! This is a nice piece and I look forward to seeing the final render. Good luck! :applause:

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209937016_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209937016_large.jpg)

bg wip
full size 4300x 2419

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209939829_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209939829_large.jpg)

characters in.
tweaking each layer now.

[chandro]

Great stylize character jack!

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209962636_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1209962636_large.jpg)

Almost there. Should be ready by next Saturday, then submit on Sunday.

[nwiz25]

i think making their alien eyes glow will give a more sinister look? what say buddy?
waiting for the final showdown! :bounce:
all the best man! :thumbsup:

[OZ]

COOOOL STUUUF MAN!! yeah! the poses are perfect! the lights works pretty well! now i cant wait to see it finished!!

[cobaltblue]

nice characters, especially the alien's eyes. goodluck!

[JackZhang]

I apologize for not replying my own thread for a while. Life gets very busy and i'm pulling my hair out for each day's progress.

Thanks all for the encouragement. Best wishes to all competitors~

[scala]

You know something Jack I like when the Lava gun was more shining I think it was more easy to recognize it ... What do you think ?

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1210136611_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1210136611_large.jpg)

fixing character details tomorrow

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1210446732_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1210446732_large.jpg)

Final image.

Not sure if I totally like it. I've been linger on it for too long, hard for me to judge it now.

Both Donglu and I are submitting the final image tonight. My final print size is 4300x2419

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1210470304_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1210470304_large.jpg)

“Can we just go home? There’s nothing here, only sand and rocks and…sand and rocks and…”

“Shush! Just follow up. I can smell them… Come on, come on little human, come out and play!”

“It’s getting late and my favorite show is about to start… Let’s go home… I don’t want to miss my favorite show…”

“WOULD YOU CUT IT?! Stupid fool! Because of you, we have never caught a human! Don’t you get it ?! If we can catch a human, just ONE, we will be rich! And then you can buy the whole DVD collection of your show! So be quiet and follow! Wait, do you hear anything?”

“No…”

“Never mind. That way, let’s go!”


(Off screen voice, Tiffany.)

Today’s probably not my best day. When we were passing the Deadwind Valley, two Kun scouts showed up from nowhere. Those dirty bastards invaded our planet, capture the earthlings and sell us to other Patron races as slaves. I pulled Knuckle back behind a pile of rocks before they spot us. Knuckle wanted to take the scouts out. I gave him a sign to halt.

We can take them alright. The uplifted Neo-chimps are extremely fast in action, giving the Kun huge headache in short-range combat. But one of earthling’s secret underground shelters is only a mile away from here. Open fire would attracts more enemy and put the shelter in danger. I can not take that risk.

Hiding in the shadows we wait, silently.

[Donglu-LittleFish]

We are finally done!!! Now we have time to watch Forbidden Kingdom! :cool:

[rococo]

congratulations~

[JackZhang]

We are finally done!!! Now we have time to watch Forbidden Kingdom! :cool:


and the ironman!

[thebest]

congrats mate nice entry hope u the best in judging

[nwiz25]

congratulations bro!! \:D/ wishing you all the best with the judging! :thumbsup: you rock!

[HornlessUnicorn]

Congratulations! Fine work!

The best of luck!

Dimitrij.

[Kerem]

We are finally done!!! Now we have time to watch Forbidden Kingdom! :cool:

I wanna watch that movie too - I've already saw Iron Man :cool:

[JackZhang]

http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1210535036_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/20/14572/14572_1210535036_large.jpg)

Software: Photoshop,XSI

Character Turntable for Jackzhang's entry.

Play Video >> (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/uplift_universe/player.php?entry_id=90516)

[digitaldecoy]

I think, your final image turned out quite nice but I have honestly to admit that watching your WIP I was expecting even a bit more. It boils down to two things. First thing is, I don't think that the backgrounds works too well with the 3D elements. It looks very 2D and also very sketchy. Perhaps it would be a better idea to blur it a bit? Second thing is, your characters are obscured by the lighting. There's nearly no chance to see the lovely modelling you did on the foreground figures. The light on the big alien foes is ok but your main characters are hardly visible and that's really a shame because you did a really good job on their modelling.

But I don't want to sound too negative. All in all you've created an atmospheric scene with very nice acting on the characters. Best of luck for your entry!

[JackZhang]

I think, your final image turned out quite nice but I have honestly to admit that watching your WIP I was expecting even a bit more. It boils down to two things. First thing is, I don't think that the backgrounds works too well with the 3D elements. It looks very 2D and also very sketchy. Perhaps it would be a better idea to blur it a bit? Second thing is, your characters are obscured by the lighting. There's nearly no chance to see the lovely modelling you did on the foreground figures. The light on the big alien foes is ok but your main characters are hardly visible and that's really a shame because you did a really good job on their modelling.

But I don't want to sound too negative. All in all you've created an atmospheric scene with very nice acting on the characters. Best of luck for your entry!


hey Daniel! Thank you so much for your input! And thank you even more for believing that I could do better!

Oh well, I'm a modeler and that's the only thing I think I'm doing ok is modeling. I don't have enough skill or knowledge or vision for texturing/lighting/composting yet. It's my 3rd in year in industry. I'm aiming to pick up rest of the knowledge little by little within another 3 years.

as for this challenge, no matter what result I will get, I'm happy with it. The day me and donglu submited our finals we were sitting there and go "well, we both did our 100%. We did good".

It's donglu's first time join the challenge and I'm happy she pulled it off. It's my 3rd and I formed certain modeling style during the progress. That's our biggest achivement from this challenge and we are both very happy.

Yet, always aim a bit higher. I will do better next time. Good luck to your entry too!:scream:

[warmhearted]

very nice Style, great work!
请问一下,是不是通过FTP提交了最终图后,看到图片已经显示,而且作品的过程图也在自己的贴子里注名结束后,就算是提交成功了?谢谢. 欢迎提出意见,我的连接http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=235&t=626301

[sweet_bee]

:wavey: Shifu! Gragratulation! You nicely completed this challenge and I can tell that you tried your best to perfect this image~
:thumbsup: Very well done! I like it!

No doubt you showed your excellence skills in modeling. =w= And i see the improvements on the lightening, etc.
=w= you will always do better~

best wishes from tudi~XD

[JoPu]

Hi Jack,
You did it a final image, funny story, and good luck

[Spin99]

Hey Jack,

Really cool work. Brilliant illustrating of the text excerpt.
The body language is all telling what can be read imho.
Nice characters lighting composition, top work imho

My only crit I don't like the "brush painted" look of the final.
I don't know if you really did paint over, or if it's just the shaders you used or what.
But ultimately would have preferred a clean CG look.

Don't like it when 3D stuff is made to look 2D 'cause then it becomes almost
pointless imho? Of course you could extract a good 3 very different paintings from
the final scene, probably?

But ultimately realise that if you wanted to paint it in 2D you could have done it much faster and in the end results could have been similar?
Just a thought hope you don't mind.

Cheers.

[JackZhang]

Hehe, finally it's over~ Now I can start planning my next work.

To Spin99: As for the the brush painted look, there are many examples:

http://features.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/22211/22211_1197490668_small.jpg (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=121&t=565600) The Outpost, Ognian Bonev (3D) (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=121&t=565600)

http://features.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/7988/7988_1174514166_small.jpg (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=121&t=477014) The Hunter, Alessandro Baldasseroni (3D) (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=121&t=477014)

http://features.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/12392/12392_1174491237_small.jpg (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=121&t=476885) relic, yidong li (3D) (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=121&t=476885)

http://features.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/252329/252329_1168742690_small.jpg (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=121&t=450726) Lady of Shalott, Yang Zhang (3D) (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=121&t=450726)


and much more.

I'd like to humbly make some correction on your saying of "prefer a clean CG look".

1. CG stands for Computer Graphic. Mattepaitning, digital concept art, digital paintings are all part of CG. Therefore "a clean CG look" needs to be redefined or explained in a better way.

2. "when 3D stuff is made to look 2D" Let's start with some basic definition here: 3D = 3 dimensions = x,y,z. 2D = 2 dimensions = x,y. No matter what you do in 3D, as long as you render out an image or a sequence of image, that image will always be 2D. When you submit your final image, the guideline says 3636x2***, that's the information for x and y. there's no z. the only way to see an real 3D is to have a 3D projector like something they imagined in starwars. Therefore "when 3D stuff is made to look 2D" also needs to be explained.

3. "Don't like it when 3D stuff is made to look 2D 'cause then it becomes almost
pointless imho? " Hehe, in fact I know what you meant by "clean CG look". If I'm correct, you are referring to the type of renders which contains this typical result of specular.

Pointless? well, let's shoot something quick: Appleseed is 3D, but look like 2D. Are you saying what they did is pointless? That they should draw it frame by frame? Many environment shots in Sincity are 3D. Many shots in the film, which contains those 3d elements, have the classic frank miller comic look (2D). Was that pointless as well? Does 3D always has to stay as pixar/disney/ff7 advanced children/when-you-look-at-it-you-know-it-is-3D type of look?

As Zbrush was not created for only making high detailed ugly monsters, 3D has a lot of uses. In my humble opinion, the method of using 3D and showing 3D should not be limited.

Anyway, just a few cents to share with. Thanks a lot for bring this topic up. Lovely discussion I believe.

[Spin99]

Hi JackZhang thanks for the reply.
Sorry if got you going, let me also explain I AM a newb and an outsider looking in.
So please don't take my comments seriously.

Please note one thing I was commenting but not trying to detract from your image.
I think it'll be a case of personal taste as well, whether things get rendered to look like they were painted (2D? lol) or not.

1. CG stands for Computer Graphic. Mattepaitning, digital concept art, digital paintings are all part of CG. Therefore "a clean CG look" needs to be redefined or explained in a better way.I was referring to a certain cartoon look that seems somewhat related to the likes of Pixar films. Rendered characters are created in an environment that simulates physical 3D space and this shows in the finished work (3D?)

2. "when 3D stuff is made to look 2D" Let's start with some basic definition here: 3D = 3 dimensions = x,y,z. 2D = 2 dimensions = x,y. No matter what you do in 3D, as long as you render out an image or a sequence of image, that image will always be 2D. When you submit your final image, the guideline says 3636x2***, that's the information for x and y. there's no z. the only way to see an real 3D is to have a 3D projector like something they imagined in starwars. Therefore "when 3D stuff is made to look 2D" also needs to be explained.Yes people usually refer to 3D as work that was created showing some sort of computer generated simulation of 3D space (x, y and z)

Of course this is probably a layman expression that I'm still quick to adopt.
By 2D work I'm like most people referring to work that doesn't rely on a computer to simulate a physically accurate 3 dimensional space. It might, or not, still try to reproduce it BUT by merely depending on the artist's senses and understanding of what he's looking at or imagining.

3. "Don't like it when 3D stuff is made to look 2D 'cause then it becomes almost
pointless imho? " Hehe, in fact I know what you meant by "clean CG look". If I'm correct, you are referring to the type of renders which contains this typical result of specular.Yes pointless was probably a badly chosen word there. Please realise that I was only expressing a personal opinion. Nothing to do with any rule book.

You know I think that if people can draw and paint (obviously in 2D lol) then I don't see a point in going through the strenous lengthy process of creating a scene with models textures lights and rigs to end up with something that looks like it could have been done in Photoshop. I think you're adding a huge time penalty to doing something like that, and the reason for it just evades me. Of course I'm not you and don't have your professional skill hence possibly do not understand your point of view.

I can imagine it being a big challenge and surely results are even computed to be physically accurate if compared to a painting done in Photoshop. I see many artists doing it, you've linked above even, thanks. But I still don't see the point I'm sorry.

I know I'm nowhere near being capable of producing a photo real image at this stage, not bringing that into the discussion. I just don't like the "fake 2D look", and that is all I was tring to say in my post. And again not to detract on your work or entry, which I still think is brilliant anyway :\

[CGIPadawan]

Hello Jack,


Just saw your latest WIP. It really looks like a winner.

A few comments though:

1) We can't see the full acting effect of the actor models. Particularly the girl and the monkey, they are shadowed too heavily for the audience to see if they are being mischievous or afraid.

2) I understand the light source (moon) is behind the actors in our POV, but maybe you can let the light bounce around some more (some NASA footage shows some pretty good illumination even from light in space or light reflected from the moon). I really think the "story behind the picture" can be improved if people can see the acting and life you've put into the models.

I understand there's no more time to fix it. hehehe.... But if you remember a few posts before, I said I was kind of torn about whether it would be a cartoony-comedy scene or a gritty dark suspense scene.

This seems to have a little of both. And because I'm more "PIXAR" than "DARK CITY" you can notch up those two comments to my sunny Pixar disposition. hehee.

Good luck Jack, this is easily one of my favorite projects!

[OZ]

So the final comes out...and is cool ad i expected. There are many things that i like a lot in this image...firs of all the brilliant use of colours. BUt..i admit that i have my personal 5 star piece in there.And is the pose of the chimp..looking again and again at your work i noticed that my eyes falls everytime on that detail....le tell me...that chimp rock a lot and more...the pose...the lights cut on it...great...great great...than...i take a look at the rest of the image one time more...mmm...maybe the best part is the scout expressions....mmm...looking again....no no no ....the lights are the best thing....and so...after lookin',and lookin' and doin' it again...i understand that you image have no 5 star piece...DAMN! IS ALL A 5 STAR PIECE!!! well done jack! :scream:

[dropdeadfriend]

thats pritty good.

nice work on lights n shadows.

[xsiyou]

Please excuse my late arrival.
congratulations!:deal: very cool work! I love your modeling.
"As Zbrush was not created for only making high detailed ugly monsters, 3D has a lot of uses".thank you,I’ll bear your advice in mind.

[simoncheng]

great works.
beautiful concept too.

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