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BryanSilva
05-06-2003, 04:58 PM
I've only begun to texture him. His head and torso are what I have started. (nothing else)
http://hem.passagen.se/chruser99/pitt.txt
Ok my problem is, I'm texturing Pitt, a comicbook character. So when it comes to his skin, the comic is of course not going to have imperfections across it to use as reference. But, if I don't make a color map for his skin with imperfections he will look plastic. Also his skin is grey. So its like I have to make some decisions on what exactly to do to his skin color and what not to do. I do still want him to be recognised as Pitt immediatly.

Do you think I should go ahead and make his skin more realistic by putting some different colors, blotches, scars, or even moles on it?

Can you point me to any good books on painting such textures. I have Digital Texturing & Painting by Owen Demers and although i do find it a great resource, I'd like to find something more specific to techniques used in photoshop to paint realistic skin.

I've heard of a book by Bill Fleming called "3d Texture Workshop: Painting Hollywood Creature Textures Volume One" where he textured Frankenstein. Have you ever read it?

Also a book called "Photoshop 5 3d Textures f/x and Design: The Premier Resource for Creating 3d Digital Realities by Producing Photorealistic Image Maps" by Geoffrey Smith. Have any of you read that?

One more thing. I'd like to send this to Dale Keown (creator of Pitt) when I complete an animation. How do you all think I should approach him. I dont mean how do I contact him, I mean should I try to sell to him or try to have him host it on his website? Exposer is my main concern.

Well thanx in advance for any help you can offer.

sketchyjay
05-07-2003, 03:59 AM
comics are simpler so they can get away with no details.

He is looking alive enough that you should keep it gray but play with tonal variations. harder areas lighter, softer areas darker. nose glossy and that kind of thing from any of the usual tutorials. I'd add some under painting. blues, greens yellows under the gray. maybe make a layer with the gray over the colors and then you make the gray layer slightly transparant.90-95%

I'm no expert but I think the model needs as detailed a texture treatment as the modeling.


the modeling looks really good by the way! :beer:
Jay

leigh
05-07-2003, 10:56 PM
Well, just because a character is not shaded in great detail in a comic book, doesn't mean that you should avoid all detail when creating him in 3D :)

In my opinion, you should go all out and really pump some details into this guy! Make him come alive by giving him realism ;)

Firstly, your colour maps. Don't be hesitant about using lots of different shades - all skin, whether alien, mutant, human, or whatever, is made up of hundreds of different shades, not a simple wash of colour.

Look at his face for a start. Why not start off by altering the colours of areas that are generally coloured differently - such as the lips. There is no reason as to why the lips should be the same colour as his skin - maybe try making them a little darker? Then, move to the eye areas - trying adding some darker tones around his eyes to give him a little more edge. And just go from there - start building up layers and layers of different tones all over his skin, going into more detail in areas that need it.

And by all means, YES, add imperfections like blotches, scars, and whatever to it - give him that realism that will make him come alive.

Regarding books, I personally have never actually read any books on texturing. To my knowledger, I have never heard of a book that adequately covers the subject of painting textures in Photoshop (I have never even heard of the one you mentioned :surprised), but really, painting them is simply a matter of knowing what you want it to look like, and then painting it as such. I know that sounds pretty glib, but it's true :shrug:

Keep us posted on your progress...

illicit
05-07-2003, 11:21 PM
I am no expert either, however I like to look at pretty pictures... I don't know if he posted it on this site, but loganarts (mario ucci) did a model of wolverine and it was amazingly detailed. This is his site.

http://www.3dluvr.com/loganarts/wips.htm

As for tutorials, the reason that I came to cgtalk not too long ago was because I read an interview and tutorial by lee funn durr bail (proper noun) that was great. I believe it was titled "part 3 how to make great color maps"

anyhoo... texture the hell out of this bad boy and show us the progress!!

leigh
05-08-2003, 12:04 AM
lee funn durr bail (proper noun)

LOL :beer:

And I can't believe that I forgot about that tutorial I did! Well, it's not really a tutorial as such, but it is a kickstart for making colour maps.

And it's right here on this forum (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7681) :D

BryanSilva
05-08-2003, 02:42 AM
Thanks for your attention to this matter Leigh. I have taken your advice and began to color his face with some different tones. Your workshop was helpfull. BTW I'd like to see how the model turned out that you painted the color map for in the workshop, part3 I think it was. (the one with the big cut on his chest)

Anyhow I have an update of the changes made to his color, but I need someone to host it. At one point I had free webspace from redrival.com, but it became too much of a hassel because my links would always get replaced with an annoying advertisment for their website. So I let it die. Someone please help.

illicit
05-08-2003, 12:04 PM
At the top of the Work in Progress forum theres a thread for free web hosting solutions. Some are free ( no doubt 7 popups for every page) and some are super cheap-o!

Or you could always beg for some one to give you a meg of space or sumtin....

Dhin
05-08-2003, 01:34 PM
Well, first off the model is defiantly Pitt at first sight. It looks awesome. Nice work. :thumbsup:

Okay about the texture of his skin, I have a few ideas about it that could help. . . or not.

I kinda think Pitt should be lightly freckled, and he needs more stubble on his chin.

He's skin should be basically the same texture as human skin, seeing that he is a Hybrid form of human-alien. You could make it a bit rougher but it should have the basic look.

His skin is gray, but it still has a pink flesh tone to it also. Grayer than Timmy's skin or other Human skin, but still pinkish. Just refer to the attached image. . .

Oh and good luck keep us posted on this one.

BryanSilva
05-08-2003, 04:51 PM
Well I found someone to host an update so without further adue...
(Oh and I only started coloring the face not the chest except for the spots)
http://www.blackmages.com/silva/pitt_close_up01.jpg

Stroker
05-08-2003, 05:06 PM
Much better.

I did some playing with painting over it in PS. I was going to say that I got good looking results with some brown, but you beat me to it. Also got some good looking results with a touch of dark blue around the eyes. Tried quite a few other colours in various places, but it was just plain pants. Personally, I like brown and blue on this guy. Although, prolly not too faithful to the example posted by Dhin.

BryanSilva
05-08-2003, 05:17 PM
lemme see what you did Stroker. It could very well change the route I'm going in.

Dhin
05-09-2003, 07:28 AM
Hey do what ever looks good, I was just giving suggestion. . . But it's looking really good.

leigh
05-15-2003, 03:58 AM
Ooops, I forgot to check up on this thread :blush:

Looking MUCH better, Bryan :thumbsup: My only real crit at this stage is that the skin could go even more mottled. Although you have correctly now varied the colours in the vital areas that need to be different from the rest of the skin, you can now take that variation concept further, and actually start building up subtle variations within the main skin areas as well. Obviously nothing too drastic, but look at your own skin, and see how many different tones are within a square inch.

Stroker
05-15-2003, 05:40 AM
Oops. Forgot about this thread.

The blue is a little over-saturated and a touch too bright in this. Pardon me for being lazy and not toning it down a tad. When it is toned down, it's pretty killer IMHO. Besides that, I do like a touch of brown around the eyes and for the lips.

edit:
Man, that blue is messed up. That's what I get for not saving when things are good. I apologize for that.

hilscreate
05-15-2003, 06:05 AM
PiTT rules! That is way too cool. Always wanted to do one. Here is my 2 cents worth on how I think his skin would look. Rough idea.

illicit
05-15-2003, 12:33 PM
I agree, I kinda picture Pitt's skin like a rhino. He's not the kinda guy that uses lotion and beauty products... or soap even.

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