Animatrix: The Second Renaissance Part 2 Officially

[dark_lotus]

Awesome!

[j00st81]

booya!

lemme dl this fast before it gets plugged :D

/me @ 350/sec, yay! ;)


edit:

WOW
the episode everyone was waiting for: the battle
superdupersweet!

[Per-Anders]

pretty cool.. keeping up the standards. definitely a scary story.

[huydoan.com]

I guess the directors of the second renaissance are trying to say that humans are basically:

1. stubborn
2. ignorant
3. petty
4. weak

Which I think is basically correct. Anyone come up with a different conclusion?

[heavyness]

"1. stubborn
2. ignorant
3. petty
4. weak

Which I think is basically correct. Anyone come up with a different conclusion?"



-yeah, your right. looks like a gut check for the human race. which makes me think. anyone thinking the last Matrix will end on a down note? EVERY movie trilogy and sci/fi movie ends with an happy ending [except Star Wars*]. wouldn't that be a nice twist if Neo dies and the Matrix lives on?



*which ends with a bunch of space pirates blowing up and dismantling the only government that could keep such a big galaxies in 1 piece. "And that's life, a series of down endings. All Jedi had was a bunch of Muppets."

[E.Z. Schwartz]

Pretty cool, but I hate when they use images and phrases of terrible things that happened recently to people, and switch the people with robots. "Final solution" as a term for killing all Jews is a horrible thing, but "final solution" as a term to kill smart robots gone bad just upsets me. It wasn't as bad in this one as in the first, but it was still pretty cheap. Other than that it was real cool, I just think they could come up with some more creative ways to make their point.

[sicean]

I just think they could come up with some more creative ways to make their point.

it's basically an adaptation of the story of armageddon, and i don't think they were trying to hide it at all. there are a lot of religous connotations in there: the horseman (blatent imagry), the location of 01 (babylon), and even the tribulation (the matrix itself.) armageddon has inspired many stories, and this is just another.

(ps- i dont wish offend anyone by implying that these are my beliefs, and that they should be yours too. that is not my intent. i just think its what the writers of this story took their inspiration from. i'm being purely objective.)

[Kieguy]

Originally posted by kole
....which makes me think. anyone thinking the last Matrix will end on a down note? EVERY movie trilogy and sci/fi movie ends with an happy ending [except Star Wars*]. wouldn't that be a nice twist if Neo dies and the Matrix lives on?


There was an interview I read awhile back on the official Matrix site itself, I forget with who exactly...where the guy alluded to that, yeah, don't expect the typical "Hollywood" ending. But didn't elaborate too much...imagine that! Something like...people will love it or hate it...I'd have to go back and find it.

[EDIT: Think I found that interview...with George Hull, Concept Illustrator.
direct link (you lose the navigation frame though):
http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/cmp/rl_interview_art_george.html ]

So that really gets the imagination turning! Don't know about it being "nice" if Neo would die and the Matrix living on...
oooooOOOOO...unless....I just had a vision of a scenario based on that, that I could see as a real possibility for the ending. Makes me wonder how dead-on my idea will be...hmmm, should I share it? ;)

I'll just say, it's pretty obvious that Neo is written as the "Saviour" character...so what kind of sacrifice does that mean he must make to save the world?

And the question of "What is the Matrix?" could still go deeper....we haven't seen its core yet. I have one scenario in mind...but who knows, I will likely be wrong! My idea might be considered too obvious by some....so not sure if I even wanna say. Or if I'm anywhere near right, then I'm spoiling it. ;)

[RobertoOrtiz]

Just saw the animation....

It was well animated, but I did not like it.

After a while the graphic violence was too much for me.

-R

[j00st81]

Originally posted by kole
yeah, your right. looks like a gut check for the human race. which makes me think. anyone thinking the last Matrix will end on a down note? EVERY movie trilogy and sci/fi movie ends with an happy ending [except Star Wars*]. wouldn't that be a nice twist if Neo dies and the Matrix lives on?

me thinks the matrix ends with a virus planted in the "mainframe" wich disables all computers, and seeing the sky turn blue again

(yay! 10 points for unoriginality :D)

[xynaria]

High quality seems to have gone. :)

[RobertoOrtiz]

Something always has bothered me about the Matix universe,
and this short made me see it....

Dont you guys think this universe is too nihilistic?


-R

[slaughters]

Originally posted by RobertoOrtiz
...Dont you guys think this universe is too nihilistic? Hmm.... let me think. The entire population of the world is either

a) dead
b) living as zombies, or
c) cowering in hiding from the robot slave masters.

I don't expect a romantic comedy.

[McC]

Originally posted by RobertoOrtiz
Dont you guys think this universe is too nihilistic?

This is an interesting question. Too nihilistic for what? To be a believable concept? No way. Then what? To be a comfortable concept that you're happy with? Ah, that's another matter entirely. Just because we don't like something or the implications of something doesn't make it wrong/or "too much" of something. Just because nihilism may not be an appealing idea to you or me, it doesn't make it wrong.

And I very muched like this new installment! Wish the high-res version was still up, though. :shrug: In any case, it was kinda cool (in a depressing sort of way) to see how easily we were beaten and how direct the machines were in getting what they wanted. I was particularly intrigued by the fact that the machine at the UN, or whatever that was, detonated itself in a large nuclear explosion to annihilate the world leaders. Interesting, non-human take on things that totally catches the world leaders off guard because they're expecting to deal with someone who thinks like a human.

Whole 'nother ball game ;)

And that interview about how the ending of the Matrix won't be a typical Hollywood ending...that's interesting... :surprised

[policarpo]

WOW...thanks for the links. I was able to pull the Large version down before it was flooded with onlookers.

Of all the shorts released in the Animatrix series, the Second Renaissance has been my favorite, and Part 2 was just as great.

I find it rather compelling that this version illicited some remarks on the Matrix Universe being too nihilistic based on this story. Isn't that what good story telling is supposed to do? Make you think.

I found myself watching nervously as I saw things unravel only because I realized how flawed our species can be.

Man...this is good stuff!:thumbsup:

I can't wait for the MOVIE!!!!

[idvah]

the cool thing is that in the first movie, you felt sorry for the robots, but in the second one... sympathy is felt for the humans as they are disected, probed, and experimented on.... very graphic stuff...

[RobertoOrtiz]

My problem with both "The Second Renaissance” shorts is that to
get an audience response; I strongly believe they went to far in terms of the graphic violence.

You can tell the same tale, without being THAT gruesome.

-R

[McC]

And what if the tale is that gruesome? The tale loses some of its impact without that full graphic display. The fact that it disturbed you is proof enough that it made its point and did it well.

[Per-Anders]

a have to agree with Roberto on this one. after a while the graphic violence just becomes... blah...

hitchcock was right... you never ever ever under any circumstances allow the bomb to explode on screen.

put it this way. what's more powerful, a great short with one set only, an interior of a bunker where the protagonists a living out a time waiting for the bomb to drop, if it does they'll be stuck in there to rot, this slowly becomes clear over the course of the story, the story ends with a radio message "God speed..." and simple slow shots of each characters face and silence, snap to black, credits roll... or the same short story, but this time ending with pyrotecnics of things being destroyed by the bomb outside, people being blown apart etc...

to me the simple one has so much more menace and impact, there's no release from it, cos it's all in your head. the graphic shots would be very hollywood or anime style, but in effect they're just themepark ride stuff. eye candy that lets you off the hook.

otoh this is meant to be anime... and under those criteria this fits right at home, even though i think anime just overdoses on graphic violence anyway so often than it's like a stylisation more than anything else.

[j00st81]

it looks like its on www.intothematrix.com now :p

so this is the last one wich will appear online?

[Derlaine]

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[Per-Anders]

yes, but does it add to the story?

realism is one thing, but this is a cartoon, and it's pure glam. it's as bad ot make the explosions look as cool as possible, to have the detail in there so the kids go "coo look you can see his bones poking through... coool!!". i mean, the shear columes of blood you get in movies is astounding... some people seem to contain more blood than bodymass... realism has never had much stake in storytelling.

you want to see realism, take a look at the news sometime. yes it's sick what people can do to each other... but we're talking about a story, an animated one at that. it's just a stylisation like anything else, an interpretation, and that's all it will ever be, it will never be real till you see a snuff movie. unless we degrade ourselves to the level of the roman circus... maybe we're there already if we think that it's important for entertainment to involve so much graphic violence, and we think it's important for that entertainment to be "real"... personally i don't. and i don't think it add's anything apart from the feeling that some people suffer badly from ocd.

edit addendum... i think it's odd that people who think movies should have more graphic violence should take offence at a four hundred year old bawdy play... but then i guess the story and the words were more important than they are in modern "masterpeices".

[huydoan.com]

you guys are forgetting the main reason why the Wachowski brothers chose anime in the first place:

M-O-N-E-Y

what's cheaper and easier, to film a live action movie that depicts the war between robots and humans across dozens of countries and thousands of soldiers, or make a cartoon depicting the same events?

Yes they could have made a simple story that showed no death, blood, atomic bombs, etc., and they could have just filmed a story in an underground bunker. But then they would have probably filmed it with live actors, and it would have cost them about $100,000. And then no one would pay money to see it.

the reason why animation was chosen (imho) was that animation allows you to show ALOT more then you can with with traditional film. Animation allows a person with a vision to tell his/her story.

[cycron]

I agree with huydoan..also the Wachowski brothers are big fans of anime..that could also be a reason to why they have choosen this istead of another media; but the real reason is properly as huydoan explained it: Money...

As for the graphic violence..i just think its symbolizing that war has and always will be ugly..in addition, anime tends to be very violent, perhaps the Wachowski brothers just want to keep this style..

I dont think the gory stuff is necessary, but i really dont mind -mostly because its cartoon and therefore not "Saving Private Ryan realism".

[SheepFactory]

Nothing wrong with violence in animatrix imho , gruesome stuff happens at war.

look at saving private ryan for example , opening battle scene is probably the bloodiest battle scene ever but it doesnt impair the movie or make it bad it actually gives you the feeling that you are there.

other example : robocop (where they shoot murphy in the beginning) , that scene leaves nothing to the imagination either , but i think if they had not shown it like that it would have been cheesy.

[Per-Anders]

ok, yes it's part of the style of anime. but it is just that.. a stylisation. i guess you don't have to like it.

the robocop thing, yes, i agree you need to know, but there was pretty much no other way to do it whilst still telling the story in a compelling fashion. and i don't think that this particular episode of the animatrix could have gotten away without any violence, but the constant level of gratuitous violence isn't needed, it's shock impact is gone after a very short while that way, and you're left with seeing that the content is pretty thin. it's just another special effect.

[TheFrumpster]

Ummm....I just saw this, and :eek: it is very awsome. I think the second renaissance is better than the matrix movie. If the new matrix movies coming out are anything compared to the greatness of these cartoons, then I will probably have a heart attack right then and there in the theatre. :buttrock:

[Celshader]

Originally posted by cycron
...in addition, anime tends to be very violent...

Yeah, like Kiki's Delivery Service (http://disneyvideos.disney.go.com/moviefinder/products/2534103.html), Maison Ikkoku (http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~leon/mi/) and Panda! Go Panda! (http://www.animeondvd.com/reviews/viewreview.php?review=547). ;)

*could not resist*

[dmonk]

No matter what you think about the short, it should seem frighteningly familiar.

[Shade01]

I didn't think the violence was that graphic at all. I really like this one, it's the first time they didn't beat around the bush about how the matrix came to be. It pointedly and directly shows you what happened leading up to the first matrix movie. This is the one piece of the Animatrix that should be required viewing before watching the first film.

[ceql]

Whoa!! I sooo have to dl this when I get home! :applause: :applause:

[pixel8or]

I love The Matrix! One of the best sci-fi stories ever and one of the most exciting movies ever made. And I love these animations. They are great prequels for filling in the back story of The Matrix. The anime style is perfect for it.

It's a smart way to build a story. Tell it from a reference frame of time and if it's successful go back and fill in the story by building it's history.

Too violent? The whole Matrix universe is set in a war environment. Second Renaissance is about the futility of mankind's arrogance and desperation. Humans are turned into something no more significant than a battery.

"The machines, drawing power from the human body - an endlessly multiplying, infinitely renewable energy source. This is the essence of the Second Renaissance."

Of course it's violent! Humans are being hunted down and enslaved. The degree of graphic violence in this episode was perfectly appropriate. The actual blood and guts parts were minimal compared to many anime OAVs.
Dont you guys think this universe is too nihilistic?
Hmmm.... When Neo takes the money from Choi near the beginning of the story, he hides it in a book. The chapter he turns to before flipping open the hollowed out pages is "On Nihilism." Think that might be a clue?

[vaniljus]

One of my favourite episodes.

[jmdajr]

wow....we sure have some sensitive people who can't stand a little bit of animated violence! grow up!

In my opinion, the only way to illustrate war, is to show what actually happens.......

Yeah sure, some directors want to do all this fancy artsy stuff to show you things by not actually showing them.......

but these aren't such directors! They want to show things we can't imagine. That's part of the main theme behind the whole matrix universe.......out of this world visuals!

Plus to me, the whole idea of leaving things to the imagination is often a cheap way out of presenting a story. (most of the time it's probably just a budget issue.)

And hell, imagine showing some of those scenes in live action? Now that would be shocking.........

Anyhow, anyone who is easly offened by it should go watch the care bears movie.

Personally I liked it. It entertained me and that's all that matters.
(and hitchcock is boring......)


sayonara

:p

[idvah]

Originally posted by huydoan.com
you guys are forgetting the main reason why the Wachowski brothers chose anime in the first place:

M-O-N-E-Y
If money was the issue, then they wouldn't have released this film online for free.

[RobertoOrtiz]

Jmdajr using too much graphic violence in a movie gets old fast.
Only slasher movies can get away with it, but lets face it, the audience is not watching these movies for the great drama.

If you want to make your mainstream audiences tune out REALLY FAST out of your movie, this is the route to go. That is why most movies tend to avoid it. Robocop used VERY strong graphic violence, but I always have seen that movie as a satire of our modern culture. “Saving Private Ryan” was also a VERY violent film, but the point of it was to present how horrible REAL war is. The director wanted to convey what combat felt like, and by doing this he presented how awful the war was for the brave soldiers that fought in WWII.

Graphic violence has a time and place, and in the case of this short they went too overboard, almost with glee. After all this is a fictional story on a fictional fantasy war. After the first trully despicalbe act of brutally I thought: ”Ok I got the point”, but it went on and on . Presenting violence on top of violence.

And to answer one of your earlier points: in what capacity watching human beings and sentient creatures being tourdured and maimed constitutes cool and nifty entertainment?
What the heck is the point of this?

Do the makers of the short wanted me to explore the ramifications of treating sentient beings in a horrible and brutal fashion, or show me with contempt the sadism they displaying on screen just beacuse they can? Are we back in the Roman arenas all of the sudden?

For me this short they REALLY pushed the envelope on animated violence. If this had been a mainstream movie, it would have easily gotten an NC-17 rating (American adult rating).

And finally....

And about your comment about the master Hitchcock, being "boring". That is just plain silly.

I strongly recommend to anybody to watch and study his films. He truly understood the concept of filmmaking as a language. It is simply foolish to underestimate the work of this master because of the ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) of current audiences.

-Roberto

[jmdajr]

hey man, ortiz whatever......
lo que tu digas........

It's not your film, and they can present the story any way they want. You say it would be better without violence, I say it wouldn't have the same impact. I think it fit in.

Do all movies need violence? No.

Movies are made for all types of audiences (obviously).

In this case, the audience is th sci-fi, comic book, action movie, anime, fantasy, videogame playing people. The matrix is not supposed to be some artsy type film, that's all there is to it. You're right it's not drama!

Also, this is no way near the violence I have seen in other animations. This is tame stuff.

As for your ADD commnet, why is it wrong to let go and just enjoy a movie for entertainment alone. Hell it's not real, it's fiction.
It's just a fantasy....


If I wanted to learn something I'd read a book, and not learn from a movie! (unless maybe it's a documentary).


So what's the point? the point is many people are going to watch and buy this......and many (the people this was made for) will most likley like it.

It will be a success with the intended audience......that's the point.

If you don't like it oh well, too bad . I guess it's not "smart" enough or "creative" for you.

But to say people who like it are messed up.....how would you know? Can you judge someone completely just by some silly movies they like?

Just by saying you like hitchcock, I have a whole slew of pre-conceived images of what you might be like......and perhaps they are not accurate.

"film making is a language"...blah blah blah

fine..if I'm judged as an ADD fool who likes gratuitous violence, then perhaps your just an intellectual snob that looks down on other people because they don't have your high quality taste...

well whatever you say dude......

and yes some people think hitchcock is boring...that's not silly...
it just their taste....


y bo!

[edaddy]

relax ladies

the fact is the violence is there b/c the director chose to put it there ... I personally don't find anything wrong w/ it, and i feel it convincing portrays the 'horrors' of war probably just how the director intended.

You say it would be better without violence, I say it wouldn't have the same impact.

^

and RobertoOrtiz, i'm sure you will find the more nonviolent shorts on the animatrix more entertaining:beer:

[RobertoOrtiz]

edaddy not only you have one hot avatar, you are a nice guy.
So far I have loved every single Animatrix short, with one exception.

I might have some problems with the universe, but I DO find it really cool.

-R

[Krystman]

You see all the time - people see or read something which they don't like and say it would be better without XYZ because XYZ "doesn't add anything to the story". Newsflash: it's NEVER about the Story anyway. If you want the Story only, read the Snyopsis goddamnit. The Story in Books and Movies is always just a mere skeletton and can be comprimised to a fraction of the original size.

You see movies because they dress the mostly Simple story in Pictures and Sounds which connect you emotionally with the story.

The Story of this Movie is: "Humans want to destroy Robots, loose violently and become enslaved" PERIOD

The violent Presentation however speaks to the right side of your brain, the emotional one. I myself was quite shocked by the presentation. I felt fear, digust, pity. Only the Story couldn't summon theese Emotions so yes, the violence added something to the whole Movie.

Question: could you leave out some violent scenes? You get the picture after a few scenes so why show more? Because more intense. You culd cut something out but the shock would be simply less then. After all, it worked. People are thinking it was too much. If the violence would be less, I'm sure we would have people in this Thread arguing that it was lame. That it lacked some kicker.

Question: could the same Emotions be summoned up differently. Exactly the same Emotions? No, choosing a different approach to the whole thing (for example a Hitchcock one) could lead to a similar results but the quality of the emotions would be different then. Not WORSE or BETTER, just DIFFERENT. People still might call it fear, disgust and pity but it would be a differend kind. Would it suck then. Not necessarly, would be a different Movie then.

If you are one of the People who prefer that different kind, well then I guess you are free not to like the Movie. I guess it crossed some line for you. It's ok, I think everyone has seen or will see movies which have gone too far for him. Everybody has different limits.

There are People, however who like the kind of sensation this movie transmits. I myself found it good. It is part of Human nature being fascinated with violence, because it is something we fear. I suggest you watch Fight Club if you disagree with me at this Point.

Back to Romans? Socially speaking, we haven't developed much since then. Humans will never be able to overcome their own Nature (funny enough, this is what the Movie is about). Yes, we want violence. Yes, we want sex. After all, we have evolved from animals so theese instincts are part of ourselves. The trick is to satisfy this desire without hurting people. Movies, generally speaking Art, was and will always be a way of doing so.


Ok, now my opinion - it was good by I was somehow disappinted by the Ending. I mean, you don't get to know more then in the original Movie. What about the first chosen one. Who was he and why could he do all the stuff. And how did he disappear. I thought they would adress this issue as well... :shrug:

[pixel8or]

First of all... if we're only talking about "The Second Renaissance 2," it isn't a movie, it's a 9 minute animated short presented in the form of a "historical file."

It could be argued that this isn't even a "story" at all. It's only a synopsis of one part of a greater story. It's the establishment of a setting that we already know about... if you've seen 'The Matrix.'

The people who think the violence was excessive are just stating their opinions. It's no different than someone saying a drama had phony characters or a comedy was too stupid. It's kinda' funny how some are almost defending the violence... including myself.:hmm: But... I think that has to do with giving credit to the director for portraying the events as envisioned.

I'm curious to know... those who don't care for these animated shorts, what do you think of the movie itself? I know some who think it's silly. I was talking to one girl who didn't even know that the story STARTS OUT in the artificial world.:rolleyes:

What about the first chosen one. Who was he and why could he do all the stuff. And how did he disappear.

Good questions! Will we find out? Do we need to know? Or is it enough to know the at SOME point a change began to take place and the promise of 'The One' was established?

[Derlaine]

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[iBlue]

ho.. lee... sh!t. .

that was.. wow. :drool:

[Instigator_PsY]

do not the humans require some kind of energy source to sustain? or does this energy come from the matrix? "If you die in the matrix do u die i nthe real world" "the body cant servive without the mind", so what im saying is that does the matrix feed fake energy that the mind intakes and the body in the real world uses. hope u understand and sry if it was said b4.

Some of you say that it was very gory, many manga/anime movies show as much and more gore its very good for stroy telling and shows the reality of the setting (apocaliptic)

[Krystman]

Originally posted by Instigator_PsY
do not the humans require some kind of energy source to sustain? or does this energy come from the matrix? "If you die in the matrix do u die i nthe real world" "the body cant servive without the mind", so what im saying is that does the matrix feed fake energy that the mind intakes and the body in the real world uses. hope u understand and sry if it was said b4.


There is no such Thing as "fake Energy". Energy is a quite precise Physical concept and behaves according to some specific laws of nature. The most important is that you can't create energy from nothing (as well as you can't destroy energy). :rolleyes:

The Energy we People need is called 'Food'. You can get it in almost every Supermarket. :p


The Basic Problem behind the Matrix Idea is that the Energy we Humans produce comes from the Food we eat. Where do the Machines get that Food from? It's said that they recycle the dead People but this Energy is not even enough to raise up newborns. (with the Energy stored in a grow-up body you can theoreticly raise one singular another grown-up but that's just growth, where is the Energy needed to power the metabolism?). If Machines somehow produce the Food (by growing plants or something) then it would be much easier and more efficient to convert it directly to Energy, without Humans. :wise:

[puddlefish]

you guys really thought that was too violent?

the battle scene seemed fairly tame to me. i think they should have been far more brutal.

the scene in the first part with the female robot being hit over the head with a metal bar was far more effective than anything in this.

just my opinion.

[pixel8or]

the scene in the first part with the female robot being hit over the head with a metal bar was far more effective than anything in this.

Yup... that part got to me a bit, too.

It's interesting to speculate on the validity of ideas used in this story. But cinematic story telling is based mainly on the the principle of the suspension of disbelief. You either go along with it, or you find fault in it.

It's not too hard for me to imagine that sentient beings capable of producing a form of fusion to amplify the human energy, could develop a method for amplifying the nutritional value of human remains to feed the living. Got Soylent Green?:D

What's really a stretch is the robots surviving a nuclear barrage that envelopes their city in "the glow of a thousand suns." But, the story is really about the consequence of human vanity and corruption. The robots are just the vehicle through which that consequence is realized.

The Matrix is exceptional, IMHO, because of the cinematic revolution it created. Sure, it's not a new idea.... the "What is reality?" thing... but this is a unique take on it. And the story works because of the technology used in bringing it to life. It's believable because of the universe it's set in. I can believe, whole heartedly, that Trinity can fly across a street, crash through a window and tumble down a flight of stairs unhurt.... or that Neo could stop bullets with a thought... because it all happens in an artificial dream world.

I read one review that said Matrix Reloaded will set a new standard for car chases.:drool:

Six days and counting...

[fawazr]

So many people being horrified by the violence disturbs me. It seems to me like a tight shutting of the eyes so that someone only sees the things he wants to see and nothing that may attack his happy outlook.

I thought it was obvious that the violence had a place. Whereas robots were being blown apart into nice, concise bolts of metal and circuitry, the human soldiers were smeared accross the screen in no particulary arrangement--just meat.

I think that's the point that was always being made... a way to draw this progression from man to machine; man being weak and fragile, and although the machines were blessed with the spirit of man, they were nowhere as fragile.

So it basically felt to me as though they were saying: Make men out of machines and there will no longer be a need for men.

Also, Part 1 illustrates this beautiful written social plight that the machines came to identify with and the machines even have a champion that seems to be straight out of a Richard Wright novel.

That could answer the question as to why the machines would use human beings for energy and not cows. Basically, the machines want to fulfill mankind's damnation. They've learned all about revenge from their former masters. So human beings are tortured with illusory images and forced to live out their lives in cramped pods.

Perhaps Part 2 didn't have quite as much going for it as part 1, but it was a perfect follow-up.

Definitely would have loved to know how The One prophecy began though.

[Instigator_PsY]

guess u didnt understand me....since energy cannot be destroyed or created energy in the universe is a constant there for what is the point of using humans to convert one type of enery into another energy inputed = energy produced. Hope that makes better sence.

Cannot the robots convert food energy into energy they require themselves?

They say that the robots created an endless/renewable supply of energy this way.....but how is it endless.

[Derlaine]

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