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Mystifyurmind
05-04-2003, 06:59 PM
My first real Endeavor with 3-D. Done in Maya.
Poly count: about 2500
Comments appreciated. ^_^
I only want to get better.
Is this too big LilDragon?

more at Nicklogic.com (http://www.nicklogic.com)
http://www.nicklogic.com/f4/colorphantom.jpg

Mystifyurmind
05-04-2003, 07:27 PM
anyone even interested? sorry to sound anxious, i just would like commentary. ^_^:surprised (that's a funny face)

DragonKore
05-04-2003, 07:38 PM
Looks good to me. For your first time with 3D, it's great. I can't think of anything to suggest. :p

Ender0910
05-04-2003, 07:42 PM
cool models but I think the composition (is that the right word?) could use a bit of changing. Just the way they're placed doesn't click with me.

but anyways, very good stuff :D especially if its your first project :D

Mystifyurmind
05-04-2003, 08:12 PM
Thanks, i may try some different compositions now that i think about it.

uncon
05-04-2003, 08:55 PM
I think the light may be a little too harsh, there are such dark shadows and super white highlights. In reality there would be much more ambient light.

For a nice reference check out the NASA Dryden gallery online at:
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/index.html

They have tons of great very high rez images of planes. check this one out, it is of a similar angle of an F-106 after take-off:

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/Eclipse/Small/EC97-43932-7.jpg

ssyed
05-04-2003, 08:56 PM
pretty nice for your first time in 3d i'll say that , it's very nice, the 2 jets look too blurry maybe use a motion blur that doesn't look right also the jets for some reason don't look exactly like F-4 phantoms maybe the intakes shape, also the metal does not have wrinkles in the real one, the way the bombs are mounted are also kind of fake lookn, the textures are just awesome :drool:
good job!
:applause:

Mystifyurmind
05-04-2003, 09:24 PM
Good comments, thank you. Yea, I turned off all the lights in my scene and found out it was my specular shader. Was quite aggravated and will fix that in the newer version.

I agree, the intakes are getting there, but i don't think the indentation on the intake is deep enough or extruded enough, making it unreal.

Here's a picture of a wireframe of this scene.
http://www.nicklogic.com/f4/comp.jpg

ssyed
05-04-2003, 11:09 PM
I think the reason you have wrinkles is because of the weighting of the vertices when you put down subdivision surf. modifier
try adding more detail to your base mesh near the edges of the intake, that is if u modeled it using subdiv surfaces thats what it looks like

Bliz
05-05-2003, 12:08 AM
Yes give us an update because the first pic is hard to see the model.

Mystifyurmind
05-05-2003, 12:45 AM
I will get a better render for critique in a little bit, till then, here's a top, side, and 3/4 wireframe.
http://www.nicklogic.com/f4/top.jpg
http://www.nicklogic.com/f4/side.jpg http://www.nicklogic.com/f4/three.jpg

It was modeled in polygons and i did edit certain sections to be smoother through subd's.

Thanks for the critiques so far. ^_^

Mystifyurmind
05-05-2003, 03:41 AM
anymore suggestions?

l7d
05-05-2003, 03:51 AM
bombs look fake, theyre just squished spheres right?

Mystifyurmind
05-05-2003, 06:11 AM
yea, any ideas for better details? i mean that's basically what they look like in real life. just bad shading on my part

jackburton
05-05-2003, 07:00 AM
I've got some input on accuracy... I used to build plastic model kits of these when i was a small child:)
It looks like an F4, i'll give you that. There are some proportion issues- the cockpit is not long enough, it should look like it fits 2 people. The wingparts at the ends should be further away from the wing root. There should be no hump in the nacelle for the engines-they should be straight along the top. The intake under the nose needs work. It shouldn't be there at all if this is an early F4, but later ones got a cannon mounted under the nose, i think that's what you're seeing, not an intake. Check your reference, the top view looks good- it's a good start but needs tweaking to be a Phantom II. The specualrity is a bit high.
And the big bombs aren't bombs, they're drop-away gas tanks. :thumbsup:

Mystifyurmind
05-05-2003, 07:48 AM
lol! I meant for them to be drop away gas tanks. Seriously hehe, Thanks for the help. Would you happen to have any really really good reference photos of an f4 phantom 2?

Thank you very much for the help. I will get to work on fixing all of this. And yes, specularity is insanely too high.

Thanks again!

mmiller
05-05-2003, 01:33 PM
There are LOTS of online refs for the f4
It's an extremly popular aircraft.
Try this site:
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/

and here's a side view of a recce version I did in corel
http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Miller/render/technotes/f4.jpg

But, it would apear that you already have a pretty accurate plan views referenced to your models.
Just use them ;)
Mark

btw have you seen this guy's stuff?
http://www.arance.net/

Is-boset
05-05-2003, 02:42 PM
Mystifyurmind. hello i'm surprissed of your work looks fine, so there are some little errors in the intake air, looks me too high, and the funny side it's that i working in a model of phantom F-4E, but i made a low poly version. maybe if you made a little variatons in the tetures and enviroment could be looks more realistics. the pilot deck looks too blue.

mmiller thanks a lot for the link very usefull.

Braxton
05-05-2003, 02:45 PM
thata is a very sweet model and render!

cheers
Brax

Mystifyurmind
05-05-2003, 03:53 PM
mmiller, very good picture, i'll bring that into maya and tweak up my stuff.

Thanks braxton

Is-boset, yea, i gotta hardcore change that intake :thumbsup:

mmiller
05-05-2003, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by Mystifyurmind
mmiller, very good picture, i'll bring that into maya and tweak up my stuff.

Mystifyurmind
Feel free to use my image as reference.
But, just keep in mind that this is a Recconaisance version and as such will not be entirely accurate for the combat version you are modeling.

Interesting note - The RF4c (the one I depicted) is STILL in operational service!!
or, a least it was a couple of years ago.

mark

Mystifyurmind
05-05-2003, 09:29 PM
see the back of the f4 in your diagram? that is 20 times better than my version. I could not tell how anything back there looked and if you saw how i modelled it, it is way off. Thanks again! Mmiller, you are very helpful. Also check out my ANIMATION: PROtection also in this forum.

mmiller
05-05-2003, 09:48 PM
glad I could help. :thumbsup:

FWIW everything from the cockpit back should be ok.
the differences are in the nose, which was modified to allow for the installation of a camera.

Mark

Danoku
05-06-2003, 07:04 AM
An outstanding first effort, wish my first effort had looked so well, but in the never ending effort to get better some points that have been missed,

1 the intake under the nose isnt an intake, in the models prior to the Foxtrot, its was a rounded nose sensor, later models that was the area where the barrel for the vulcan came out.

2 you got a good start on your prepro but too much is never enough, it pays huge dividends to dig as deep as you can and it is pretty cool learning about the different types, like the RF 4c, tho just to clear it up the air force retired the last of the Recce rhinos in 92, The Alabama air guard was the last unit i think, memory is fading as i get old.

3 I think the drop tanks are good, but the other things on the wings are bomb racks, not bombs themsleves, they are really hard to make out in some of the drawings online.

4 Paint schemes, all the USAF f-4's in viet nam and later that used the woodland type camo (the real name of it escapes me right now) had either white or off white undersides, tan in some other variations isralei (sp?) jets went with the same scheme since that is what the shipped with from McDonell Douglas

5 your mesh looks pretty good cept around from the cockpit forward, it is decieveing from the drawings, but that flat area near the engine intakes is actually a flat panels that is a sort of airdam to break up the flow from the side of the aircraft to go into the engine intake. in the model it looks as if this is just modeled as a flat area near the intake. it is actually sepearted from the fuse by about the width of a fist.

Again, this is a great first effort, i wouldnt have the stones to put my first piece on here, just trying to pass on some info that i hope will help in the future. Keep pressing!!

:beer:
Pint to you mate
Dano Williams
USAF Ret.

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