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TheBeatnik2334 03-01-2008, 02:07 AM I searched around the forum awhile but I didnt find anything to go with what I was looking for.
I'm a color blind artist, and as a result, most of my work is in black and White. I'm in the process of building a portfolio with the hopes of going to school for art. I would like to practice overcoming my fear of color and practicing some digital painting. I currently own Photoshop CS and was curious; Is there a good way to get a reliable source of skin tones for painting? I'm aware that I can pull color from photos, but I am not sure if this would give me a reliable range of base colors. any advice/assistance is greatly appreciated.
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polysmith
03-11-2008, 06:05 PM
WOW. I just wanted to say this post gave me an impusle to help. I can only wish you luck though.... I want to help but I am kind from the outside looking in so to speak.
I did some Googling.
Color Blind Design Hints and Tips -
http://www.cimmerii.demon.co.uk/colourblind/design.html (http://www.cimmerii.demon.co.uk/colourblind/design.html)
Downloadable Photoshop filter for checking color-blindness - http://www.vischeck.com/showme.shtml (http://www.vischeck.com/showme.shtml)
The other thing I was thinking is to find a specialty where color blind images aren't going to be as much of a concern. For example archetecture or illustration.
best of luck
TheBeatnik2334
03-12-2008, 03:48 PM
Thanks man, I appreciate the help, although the first link seems to be down. No problem, ill check back again later.
The best way I can think of overcoming this using a method similar to glazing. I'll paint the image in black and white, cementing the values. The next step is to paint over a thin layer of color. (or something similar.) I've seen various tutorials that use this method. I also understand the principle of it, I've used the method myself with traditional paints. the problem is however, I know that colors are not flat. even if I find a human skin tone, If i don't use any purple the flesh will look dead. the trick is teaching myself to know where to put colors even when I don't see them.
As for the second link, its more or less correct. I really cant see anything in Ishihara test. its just a bunch of dots.
polysmith
03-13-2008, 04:55 PM
I don't know if this would work but I have a theory that might get you some improvements.
You know the photshop "adjust hue / sat / lightness" you can use that to "rotate acolor channels from invisible to hues you can see.
Even though the tones would be off into blues or something you could calibrate your graphics with a comparison image.
Say you scan some reference material and 'paint' something. Rotate your hue to a visible color on both the reference and the art - it will be unnatural tones but you would now see the problem areas, fix them... and then rotate back the exact ammount of hue shift.
It might take some time to get used to the off color subtleties but It will make the end result closer I imagine.
Also it a good friend or family member to run things by as a proofer could be invaluable.
Anyway I wanted to encourage you to be persistant and maybe by embrasing your challenge you can find a nich style that give you a sought-after reputation.
DigitalBlaspheme
03-13-2008, 05:14 PM
Join the club! Full or partial? From birth or a gradual loss? Anyway...nice to know im not the onlyl one. Usually when I tell ppl I'm a trying to be a digital artist the first thing they ask me is, "but....aren't you color blind". Schools usually laugh or think I'm playing a joke on them.
There is a site I use on the net. All you do is select a theme out of about 35000 themes, and then you select your sub theme and it gives you a pallete that was premade. So if im doing a scary pic im might pick a dark theme and then go with firghtening or something like that and it would dish out the perfect colors for me to use.
When I get home ill get it to you.
OH yeah and
I don't know if this would work but I have a theory that might get you some improvements.
You know the photshop "adjust hue / sat / lightness" you can use that to "rotate acolor channels from invisible to hues you can see.
Even though the tones would be off into blues or something you could calibrate your graphics with a comparison image.
Say you scan some reference material and 'paint' something. Rotate your hue to a visible color on both the reference and the art - it will be unnatural tones but you would now see the problem areas, fix them... and then rotate back the exact ammount of hue shift.
It might take some time to get used to the off color subtleties but It will make the end result closer I imagine.
Also it a good friend or family member to run things by as a proofer could be invaluable.
Anyway I wanted to encourage you to be persistant and maybe by embrasing your challenge you can find a nich style that give you a sought-after reputation. is QFT. (quoted for truth). It takes an extremely long time to get proficient with this method and it still prduces images that are maybe a bit off here or there....so I dont do it to often.
TheBeatnik2334
03-13-2008, 08:03 PM
It's not a large deficit. it proves for some jokes at my expense though. for example; some friends and I were at a bookstore. I picked up "can you spot the difference" book. the cover had two similar pictures with circled differences. I stared at one particular difference for about five minutes. I finally gave up and asked what the difference was. as soon as my friend got a big grin on his face, I realized my mistake; one item was red and the other green. other than reds, greens, and browns, I usually do alright. In art class I knew what colors I had in my hand, and how to get the colors I wanted. all I needed was to have a teacher or friend verify that I had gotten the correct tone.
My hope is that I can learn where colors go and teach myself when to place the correct color.
TheBeatnik2334
03-14-2008, 05:41 PM
I suppose what Im looking for is a Photoshop Swatches file. perhaps one that has its colors labeled similar to how paints and prisma colors are labeled. I would manually find these colors on google, but im afraid that the would not be the correct color.
FaceParade
03-14-2008, 10:43 PM
have you thought of utilizing your color blindness? maybe it being a little "OFF" would be really interesting.
see i was having trouble in a class...i just didnt like it, but my teacher suggested i do the opposit colors, instead of making the moon blue and white, make it black and orange. just a thought.
i was diagnosed color blind when i was younger(red/green), i guess my mom was concerned so she took me in, but i dont think mine is very severe. cause i...well i think i see corectly,lol. sorry i cant help more. i let you know if i think of anything else.
TheBeatnik2334
03-15-2008, 11:29 PM
Well, the only problem is, I hope to become a professional artist, so whatever the client wants, the client gets.
I know it isn't impossible to be a pro color blind artist. the artist from the show "Heroes", Tim Sale, is color blind.
FaceParade
03-16-2008, 07:12 AM
well thats understandable.....and wow i didnt know that?? i love that show, art in it is pretty cool too, even cooler knowing hes color blind and can still achieve that!
DigitalBlaspheme
03-16-2008, 12:28 PM
have you thought of utilizing your color blindness? maybe it being a little "OFF" would be really interesting.
see i was having trouble in a class...i just didnt like it, but my teacher suggested i do the opposit colors, instead of making the moon blue and white, make it black and orange. just a thought.
i was diagnosed color blind when i was younger(red/green), i guess my mom was concerned so she took me in, but i dont think mine is very severe. cause i...well i think i see corectly,lol. sorry i cant help more. i let you know if i think of anything else.
That may work when you've got one of the defieciencies (sp?) red vs green or blue vs yellow, because for the most part you've got the rest of the colors to back you up, you may be off on tone here and there (as I am) but for the most part your colors are spot on. I've got monochromacy (im balck and white baby lol) and my being off is nothing short of migraine enducing lol.
OP-sorry about forgetting to link the website, but judging by your recent post for what you'd like...no its not the same thing. You'd have to take a screeny of the colors you wanted, open it up in gimp (or photoshope)...note that when doing this the blue = 24 you see in gimp (or photoshop) is actually more like .024 in your 3d app, then from there you adjust for shading. This way is more precise (but very similiar) to the above hinted at way. The only difference (which is probably more semantical (sp?) than anything is the fact that I adjust for shade, so basically im taking a dark shaded color and matching it to the light shaded color in the eyedropper in gimp, instead of adjusting hues and hoping for something close. From what I've been told this way rarely ever produces results where theproblem color is easily spotted.....and being that I can't easily reproduce these colors.....I'll take an image that you have to stare at for 15min before you realize the shade of the orange used is just a tad off. lol
The only time this way screws up is in the conversion process. Sometimes I do forget that that blue 24 in gimp is actually blue .024 in blender, sometimes i even make that blue 24 into a red 24 in blender.....but these issues are easily spotted by my wife lol.
SpaceKid
03-16-2008, 07:01 PM
I hope this helps :thumbsup:
http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/index.html
DigitalBlaspheme
03-16-2008, 07:40 PM
That's actually pretty cool, to bad there is a limited number of colors, good thing the colors they have are labeled with the real world item lol like pumpkin for orange lol. Where were you 10 years ago when I needed that info and hadn't yet come up with a suitable workaround lol?
TheBeatnik2334
03-17-2008, 06:47 PM
I think we are getting close. :) I will have to give that site a try. Thank you :thumbsup:
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