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AlexNovo
02-17-2008, 09:57 AM
Well, its my first really serious competition, say me "good luck", i will try to do all my best for CGTalk would be best:):buttrock:


Name: Ill Fatum
Class: Stalker
Race: Dark Angels
Element: Fire\Lava
Weapon: bow

OK, here is short story and description of character(can post plain text here if not understandable enough:))

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/description1.jpg

EvilSimon
02-17-2008, 11:39 AM
i wish U luck...dude! :)

AlexNovo
02-19-2008, 08:02 AM
i wish U luck...dude! :)
Thanks EvilSimon:)

Gune
02-19-2008, 01:11 PM
all the best!

Loukor
02-19-2008, 01:17 PM
Goodluck to you :buttrock:

AlexNovo
02-20-2008, 11:50 AM
Loukor, Gune
Thanks a lot! and good luck to you guys too!:bounce:

Well, i have finally decide concept for my character, tommorow i gues i will post description and history of it and start scetching to find better look and view

AlexNovo
02-22-2008, 08:26 PM
OK, here is finding good shape and action and will develope pose more, then start add details and etc.

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/shape_action.jpg

AlexNovo
02-22-2008, 08:26 PM
Here is first tryes with face:

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/head_concepts.jpg

AlexNovo
02-22-2008, 09:17 PM
inspiration:
http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/inspiration.jpg

ArsXC
02-22-2008, 09:59 PM
Good luck comrade! )

AlexNovo
02-22-2008, 10:39 PM
Thanks ArsXC!:thumbsup:

SashaP
02-23-2008, 08:21 AM
You have a great idea going, I'd just suggest to work on the face design a bit more, because it looks awesome, but abit like a dark clown.

AlexNovo
02-23-2008, 08:54 AM
You have a great idea going, I'd just suggest to work on the face design a bit more, because it looks awesome, but abit like a dark clown.

Yea i'm going to choose 3 action poses and work out some different concepts in better details and sketch more heads to find best one:) Thank you!

Loukor
02-23-2008, 08:58 AM
Clowns scare me but I don't hate them, your clown is pretty freaky :P and nice story btw. Cheers

AlexNovo
02-23-2008, 09:01 AM
I think i will be work out more first two from first row, second and third from the middle pose. Will develop diff closes, artefact design and etc. then will choose best same for face, i hope guys you will help me:)

Muflon
02-23-2008, 03:35 PM
Классное начало!!!
Очень понравилось твоё inspiration.
Так держать :thumbsup:

Muflon
02-24-2008, 07:56 AM
The girlfriend for your hero :love:

http://boards.polycount.net/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=270328&an=0&page=3#Post270328

AlexNovo
02-24-2008, 08:14 AM
The girlfriend for your hero :love:


Скора свадьба гггг

eof
02-24-2008, 10:13 AM
Good start! I like your poses research :)
Good luck!

AlexNovo
02-24-2008, 04:39 PM
Ok, here is first concept for one of 4 poses i choosed from sketch above. next 3 variants will be soon:)

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/shape1.jpg

Muflon
02-24-2008, 08:29 PM
I realiy like an outfit :thumbsup:
but I think the wings scould be more detailised :wip:

StacyOgie
02-24-2008, 08:38 PM
Clown/archer/angel....genius. I agree with Muflon; the wings look a bit superfluous but don't throw 'em out. Perhaps make them more mechanical looking because your character looks more bad than an 'angel' so make the wings evil and keep it comin'.

AlexNovo
02-25-2008, 06:59 PM
Thanks for feedback guys!

Muflon - What you mean by more detailed?? Its just sketch to find outfit and whole pose to go with final where all fill be detailed:) Or you mean more some atributes of devil and so on?

StacyOgie - will work on it in next poses i have choosen:) But idea was use normal wings but more dark like in crows wings, but any way i will try devil kind wings for sure. Just one reason i didnt want to use devil like wings, because already all use them:)

IvikN
02-25-2008, 07:09 PM
OHNOES D: its clown from HELL!

Draw him and or enemyes will surrender without fighting! i swear!

AlexNovo
02-26-2008, 09:43 AM
Ok, here is some front head concepts. Continue to search good face and pattern for make-up. As i have told will do else 3 poses i have choosen in different outfits and some concepts for head, then will choose best and will do front-side-back map with design for artifact and so on and then final illustration:)
Let me know guys what you think.

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/head_face1.jpg



http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/head_face2.jpg

IvikN
02-26-2008, 10:09 AM
first one - b'cause second looks unfinished and brokened somehow. I dunno - i like first one more.

AlexNovo
02-26-2008, 10:30 AM
Still searching, there will be else some variants, but now i will do another character concept again.

TheBloodyAlien
02-26-2008, 10:37 AM
Good Luck :)


Well, its my first really serious competition, say me "good luck", i will try to do all my best for CGTalk would be best:):buttrock:

sakanagih
02-26-2008, 10:37 AM
Clown/archer/angel....genius

Pretty interesting. =D I wanna see them with some colors. ^_^

Muflon
02-26-2008, 10:41 AM
Ну конечно второй портрет! :thumbsup:
И обязательно красную звезду! :eek:
Они у нас в паре будут выступать:
советский клоун - лучник и
советский клирик - десантник :wip:

AlexNovo
02-26-2008, 10:47 AM
Muflon
:)))))))) there are else some variants coming soon.

eMysfit
02-26-2008, 12:53 PM
I kind of like the hair on the head of the full body pose shot. with the high braided thing going upward. Awesome sketches all around though. especially like the gigantic bow.

AlexNovo
02-27-2008, 10:40 AM
I kind of like the hair on the head of the full body pose shot. with the high braided thing going upward. Awesome sketches all around though. especially like the gigantic bow.

Thanks a lot! soon will new concepts:)

AlexNovo
03-04-2008, 06:42 AM
Hi Comrads!

Here is second sketch from poses research i did. I think will make else couple and will do final character from one of this or make combination. Soon will couple heads concepts.
I doing same head on full figure concepts since heads research i'm doing separatly.

Here it is:
http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/shape2.jpg

eMysfit
03-04-2008, 12:14 PM
I like the shoulder armor on this one. I liked the midsection of the other one though, especially the belt with the clown like pointy things covering the croch area. I also like how the wings are taking shape in the new one.

Keep up the good work!

AlexNovo
03-04-2008, 04:13 PM
eMysfit
Thanks a lot!

AlexNovo
03-04-2008, 05:35 PM
Here is update with concept for head, tommorow should else one.
Still searching.

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/head_face3.jpg

MartinNielsen
03-04-2008, 06:21 PM
Nice progress :thumbsup: Those long spikes on the wings look like an extra threat against any opponent :eek: But they also make the wings look heavy. He doesn't look like a character, that can fly over long distances. Good gameplay issue...

AlexNovo
03-04-2008, 07:11 PM
Nice progress :thumbsup: Those long spikes on the wings look like an extra threat against any opponent :eek: But they also make the wings look heavy. He doesn't look like a character, that can fly over long distances. Good gameplay issue...

THanks Martin! thanks for advice i will think to make them smaller, just while was in drawing process forgot about:)))

AlexNovo
03-05-2008, 10:31 AM
Here is else one concept for head.

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/head_face4.jpg

eMysfit
03-05-2008, 11:51 AM
I like the new head with the horns in the cheeks(the top of the two new ones). A quick fix for the heavy wings problem, could just say they're hollow or of a light material. I kinda liked the way they were big. Then again that's probably just me and functionality should probably play more of a role than my likes haha.

AlexNovo
03-05-2008, 12:02 PM
eMysfit
Thanks a lot pal! will do else one concept and couple heads and start finalize idea.

The wings on the second concept just in stacked position, so in full flap they would be bigger. just i havent correct show it in tone:)

The Flork
03-06-2008, 08:59 AM
Here is first tryes with face:

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/head_concepts.jpg

i like this 3rd face the best!

marsyas
03-07-2008, 09:31 PM
Coming along very nice!

I like the claw designs in the boots. And I think the last head, with the 'gas mask' has the best overall shape so far.

AlexNovo
03-11-2008, 05:48 PM
Hi,
Thanks guys for the comments!

The Flork
Yea i will rework it in more details and will look how it will too.

marsyas
Thanks!

Ok, here is last variant for the full pose to look for closes, also finishing else 3 heads design, after that i'm going to try some wings versions in better details and armor, and after that i think i will be ready to develop final character and go into final line.

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/shape3.jpg

chihiroko
03-11-2008, 05:55 PM
such a detail research! very great concept idea!

MartinNielsen
03-11-2008, 06:14 PM
Much better :thumbsup: Know the wings look stronger, like they can carry the body over longer distances.

AlexNovo
03-11-2008, 06:27 PM
chihiroko
Tanks!

MartinNielsen
Thanks! Actually on previeous two concepts they should be bigger too, and i was keep it in mind, but it looks like i'm not correctly sketch them:)

Btw, here is else one head, i have keep else two ideas in my head, will try to finish them in next couple days:)

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/head_face5.jpg

AlexNovo
03-12-2008, 01:17 PM
Next variant of the head:) i see i'm already go into strange concepts:) So finishing else one head and start choosing what's best:)

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/head_face6.jpg

eMysfit
03-12-2008, 06:10 PM
I think I still like the horned cheeks head over on page 3 best. The newer ones all are pretty cool too but I guess are just a little 'out there' for me to get into. Definately like the wing span. A large wing span is always impressive after all!

AlexNovo
03-13-2008, 06:52 PM
eMysfit
Thanks pal! yea i see last couple heads already out of theme:)
Btw, here is final try for head, as The Flork said i have visualize that head he has liked:)
SO here it is.

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/head_face7.jpg

Btw, i need your help guys, there some viariants of angel and some variants of heads, let me know which ones best and which heads best, or may be do combination with some parts from diffirent sketches. Let me know:)

MartinNielsen
03-13-2008, 10:30 PM
I'll vote for the last one. It's a good mixture between a funny clown and a more nasty looking person.

naitgrey
03-13-2008, 11:59 PM
hey, I like the third one - but when i looked at it first off it looked as if he had another face on either side of his head (if that makes sense)!?

maybe he could have three faces, each distorting into different expressions?

just an idea, maybe i need more sleep...

eMysfit
03-14-2008, 01:12 PM
The newest head is my favorite now! If you want people to vote on the heads, I would recommend putting them all on one sheet with numbers by them. I'm sure you've seen other people do this when they want feedback on something.

Loukor
03-14-2008, 04:05 PM
The latest head is by far the best I think, right now he looks intellegent and dominance but im sure if he smiled... he would look insane :P. Cheers

AlexNovo
03-15-2008, 05:11 PM
Thanks guys for your opinions here! Its very helpful for me, really!
Btw, as eMysfit has adviced i have did one set for shapes, for heads and also had developed today bows designs. So look at all together and let me know what you think best from this and if necessary to make combination for any sketches together, for the outfit for the sample. Let me know guys.
I will develop wings designs for a while.

Shape Variants:

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/shape_variantst.jpg

Head Designs:

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/heads_variants.jpg

Bows Designs:
http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/artefact.jpg

RobThornely
03-15-2008, 05:25 PM
I too am toying with a bow artefact, like your designs man. Keep it loose it's working really well for you, I think I am going to try a few more designs myself.

EvilSimon
03-15-2008, 05:46 PM
i want to see the simbiont of 3rd(without skullhorns) and 7th faces...
and i like the 1st bow :thumbsup:

Muflon
03-15-2008, 05:58 PM
Shape Variant #2

Head Designs #2 or #4

Bows Designs #1 or #3

Good luck :bounce:

The Flork
03-17-2008, 09:53 AM
nice! yeah i like the last head the best! and the 3rd bow! :-D

Veles
03-17-2008, 10:18 AM
excellent character, man!
Слушай, здОрово выходит! отличный джокер намечается!2 и 3 варианты фейсов-нравятся бОльше остальных....злобный шут с заштопанным суровой ниткой ртом-классная идея, как по мне!

AlexNovo
03-19-2008, 04:50 PM
robert thornely, EvilSimon , Muflon, The Flork ,Veles --- Thanks guys, i'm very appreciate you help and choices, will be keep them in mind when will build final character.

Ok guys, here is wings design. So let me you thoughts about all including wings and i'll start to finalize this work and visualize winning pose and character layoute. For sure wings lenght will be big to bring angel to the sky:)

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/wingst.jpg

AlexNovo
03-20-2008, 05:18 PM
SO any advices regarding wings?

daelon
03-20-2008, 05:49 PM
I like concept 6

Muflon
03-20-2008, 06:09 PM
And i like concept 6

Gyorkland
03-20-2008, 06:10 PM
Ill have to say number one or number 4 that is my favourite, because they fit more with your clown concept, the stars all sewed up are a twisted touch and very clownish they could be made wih the flesh of his victims and you could also add them other clown patterns
number 1 the faces could be faces with different forced sewed expressions and painted like clowns, this options are also more practical cause wings have to be light and I really don't think he could fly with the corpse of his victims hanging from the wings or with those skulls
number five there is nothing particular about it, number 6 is very cool but I don,t see the connection with the character. well thats my opinion your character is great by the way

Good luck

AlexNovo
03-20-2008, 06:29 PM
Thank you guys a lot!
Gyorkland Thank you a lot! i'm totaly agree with you about #4 and #1, and that #4 especially connect good with head design #2, and yea its good idea make start from the face of his victim! Thanks for idea!:)
I like #6 too, and it was my favorite first time, but i think should choose between #1 and #4. WIll think:)

ReK0
03-20-2008, 07:02 PM
I like face variation number 5 best. wings #5 and 6, bow design #2 and 3. I think you need to kepe the evil clown, sinister spawn idea in everything he does. Make sure the pose of the bow actually works with this characters attitude. from the story he sounds fast and deserves a sword but i think you can make it work with a bow just dont make him look to heroic.

i did a few sketches for you for fun. just for my own pleasure but feel free to use anything from them if you want

AlexNovo
03-20-2008, 07:16 PM
ReK0
Wow!:)) Cool poses conepts! Thanks a lot!
Please look at first page of my thread, there are action poses, i like 3 from first row and 3 from second row, do you think they can be used?? One pose from your sketch looks similar too. For sure i will add more action in lines. But any way, what you think?

Btw, thanks for you opinion, it very useful! Its my first character development porcess so i try to do it correct. Btw, i'm still dont sure if i can do sitted position for winning pose, in rules there are standing pose as i see, am I wrong?

ReK0
03-20-2008, 08:32 PM
ya i did see your first ones and i agree that a standing pose might not win. This is why I am attempting to try to make mine stand out in some way. bright colors, crazy action. I think you really need to make yours stand out. Make something about it unique, dynamic and dramatic. This is why the bow to me doesnt work the best because its quite elegant compared to the personality of the character. if he is a clown maybe you should do something with that in mind. look at what jesters do and use and try to make something from that into a great impressive weapon or attack. then render that action maybe.

AlexNovo
03-24-2008, 05:34 AM
ReK0
OK, here is couple poses i did, one like his just fly out from his tech victim and going to make else one shot and another where his fly reay to make a shot like a eagle when going to kill his victim. Had try to do it more dinamical and clown like. Something like this?
Just curious about second because its not in full weight.

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/winning_pose1.jpg

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/winning_pose2.jpg

ReK0
03-24-2008, 07:22 AM
do what you like best at this point. just take into account what i said. be smart about it but also have fun with it! :D

naitgrey
03-24-2008, 10:57 AM
hey, I like your poses but theres too much focus on the wings and not on the rest of your character, I think?! especially nuber 2, you're not going to see much of his body at all!

maybe look into some more dynamic angles and poses, such as archangel / angel pictures from x men or something like that?

just some ideas...!

Gyorkland
03-24-2008, 03:49 PM
I think that the pose for the winning entry is very important it should tell the personality of your character but I think it dosen't have to be to complex, remember that the contest is about creating a character not a complex scene, have you seen the winneres of the past dominances?(check out the page) the characters on the final entry are just standing there but you get to see all the details , I think thats what the judges want to see, remember that the others 2 images are in monotone so the final is to see the character full color, Im not saying that you have to make it simple I m just saying that your character have to be the main subject on the final art .
Good Luck!

AlexNovo
03-24-2008, 05:34 PM
naitgrey
Yea, agree, but in requirements of this contest i should show full figure, it means and wings to, show just closed wings are boring. Btw #2 its just as sample, i think #1 is more acceptable, may be rework wings a little, or as you adviced make some else agnles. May be just stading and shooting.

Gyorkland
Yea, i have seen past dominance winners and yea they are just plain standing figures. But my idea it's to bring more emotion into pose not just poor stading character. I think i should find gold middle and show emotion and show details:) Regarding color i know, just here try to balance dark and light forms.

Thanks guys for you advices!

The Flork
03-25-2008, 05:48 AM
the number 1 wing is the best!

Loukor
03-25-2008, 07:03 AM
Sup my friend, I choose number 1 wing.. looks very clownish yet it shows off some omen vibe.

AlexNovo
03-25-2008, 07:35 AM
hey, I like your poses but theres too much focus on the wings and not on the rest of your character, I think?! especially nuber 2, you're not going to see much of his body at all!

maybe look into some more dynamic angles and poses, such as archangel / angel pictures from x men or something like that?

just some ideas...!

Well, was looking today at x-man series of angels. At all of them main part are wings, but we still any way looking at character, because wings big but in same time simple and dont get our attetion. May be do same here. Will think. Btw, wings a part of character too, and we should see details on the wings too as good as on the body.
Also in x-men series there are sometime wings dont fully show and from this reason we look at body of character again, but here as i understand we should show all right?

The Flork,Loukor
Thanks!:thumbsup:

MartinNielsen
03-25-2008, 08:09 AM
I would also say no.1 :)

AlexNovo
03-26-2008, 01:14 PM
MartinNielsen
Thanks!:)

OK, guys, so i have did some poses research, and select best as i think so now i need to choose best from what i have selected, for sure in the final i will rework it a little for all will be clear.
I have asked Fred on GA and he had say me that sitting pose will be acceptable too.

So here is some variants, let me know which you think show good expression and also possible to show all details and etc. I especially did wings to be viewed from both sides here:)
Here it is:

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/winning_pose.jpg

EvilSimon
03-26-2008, 01:24 PM
the 8 pose is the best for your evil clown! :)

Blaschke
03-26-2008, 09:15 PM
Great pictures! Keepit up.
Did you see the news? Dominance war 3 has been extened by 5 days! :bounce:
http://www.gameartisans.org/dominancewar/en/index.htm

AlexNovo
03-27-2008, 07:11 AM
So it will ended not 7 april and 12? Coooooool:)

AlexNovo
03-31-2008, 10:27 AM
Ok, started do winning pose and layout for modeling. First will do in tone.

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/winning_pose_fin1.jpg

MartinNielsen
03-31-2008, 10:49 AM
Very powerful pose there :twisted: I would like to see some colors soon :)

The Flork
04-01-2008, 01:06 AM
Lookin good! :-D

Gyorkland
04-07-2008, 03:07 PM
a big creepy smile would look great with that pose, I like it very much can't wait to see some colors

Muflon
04-07-2008, 08:26 PM
hi, Dude! :)
How are you?
There is not much time left! hurry up! :wip:
can't wait to see the color version of your Clown!

AlexNovo
04-08-2008, 06:13 AM
Hi Muflon!
I'm ok, working with it to finish in time!

AlexNovo
04-09-2008, 06:09 PM
Hi guys.
Here is finally done in tone. Starting color. Layout i'm already done, just not make finall whole image.

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/winning_pose_final_tone.jpg

AlexNovo
04-09-2008, 06:10 PM
Oops:) Forget bow string. But it two minutes, will do in color.

Ferx
04-09-2008, 06:21 PM
Hey Alex, really really cool final pose, very dinamyc, great !! and i only can wait to see on colour!! Great work!! Cheers mate!! :beer:

AlexNovo
04-09-2008, 07:17 PM
Thank you Ferx!!!

Muflon
04-09-2008, 07:50 PM
Hey, Alex!
Cann't wait till the color version is on!
Your have bought awesome boots for your guy,
and spurs I think we found at the same warehouse :p

RobThornely
04-09-2008, 10:26 PM
Hi Alex, only kidding, but where is that final colour image, the tone/value painting is great, the pose is cool, just want to see the money shot. thanks for all the help with my efforts too. I salute you with a virtual beer!

AlexNovo
04-11-2008, 08:52 PM
Hi guys and thank you all for you great words to my address!
Btw, i'm almost done with final illustration. I have done already with concept sheet and modeling sheet and upload them into entry in DW3 site. I will post all 3 images here later when will finally done illustration.

here is in color, i still have some time tommorow so i want to hear your crit to imporve it finally for i can make changes tommorow! I wanted to do them grinning, but had remembered that he has darned mouth! Thanks !

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/winning_pose_final.jpg

MartinNielsen
04-11-2008, 10:39 PM
Excellent colorization :applause: Congrats.

AlexNovo
04-12-2008, 12:50 PM
Hi Guys, here is my final images:) It was my first experience in developing character with full process of their development. I know i still have many mistake but will improve my skills with time:)

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/concept_sheet_final.jpg

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/character_layout_final.jpg

http://www.illustratorart.com/portfolio/dw3/winning_pose_final.jpg

willyam
04-14-2008, 09:57 AM
congrats with final and
good luck amigo

AlexNovo
04-14-2008, 03:59 PM
willyam
Thank you pal! same to you!

Ferx
04-14-2008, 07:57 PM
Hey Alex, really really cool and original concept, love the design and the final pose is totally cool, with a very unique touch, great! Congrats for your final image!! and the best of luck for you :) For sure now is time for a very well deserved beers and some tequila shots !! Cheers!! :beer:

The Flork
04-15-2008, 01:44 AM
haha sick dude! way to go!

AlexNovo
04-15-2008, 06:07 AM
Hi,
Thanks guys! Beers already have been load into me:)))

jttruong85
04-15-2008, 06:13 AM
I like the color on this one. Good character design too. Good luck to you.

AlexNovo
04-15-2008, 06:18 AM
jttruong85 - thank you pal!

AxelAlonso
04-15-2008, 07:01 PM
Thats a great concept and character developement! Very glad to see more dark art concepts in this games! Cingratulation, the values in the concept sheet and modeling sheet look great! and so the final one those colors are well done!:thumbsup:

AlexNovo
04-15-2008, 07:47 PM
AxelAlonso
Thanks Axel!!! I glad to hear hot words from you!
Was looking at your thread yesterday, you made great work too! Especially i like your color combinations and ideas for creature! Good luck pal!

calyx
04-16-2008, 06:43 AM
Interesting idea on the wings, that's original :)

Now that this war is over, a toast to the next!!

AlexNovo
04-16-2008, 10:02 AM
calyx
Thank you pal!
Right, to the DW4!!:buttrock::beer:

eMysfit
04-16-2008, 05:28 PM
Glad you finished! I've enjoyed watching your character since the start! Turned out fairly well I think. Good Luck! And yeah, everybody has to comeback next year for DW4!!! It's a requirement or we execute you for deserter! jk:scream:

AlexNovo
04-16-2008, 06:38 PM
eMysfit
Thank you pal!
I'm in rows in next year for sure:)

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