What do you think of this

[Greenham]

Although you're not drawing this guy exactly from this side, I think this tutorial (http://www.portrait-artist.org/face/profile.html) may be of some help to you.

[aldog]

Thanks, that's a very good tutorial. I guess I should improve the following
-neck is too skinny, the back needs to go further back
-shirt rests weirdly on the shoulders
-maybe his head isn't deep/big enough?
-maybe the nostril is too far back...maybe
-more...

[aldog]

I did the improvements that I came up with based on that link and here's what came out of it.
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/551/windyjake21cj5.jpg

Still looking for more tips, I think and hope that this was an improvement.

[AgentPrometheus]

Something bothers me about the teeth and the upper lip, I'm not quite sure what is though. You may want to compare it with whatever reference you're working with. You're right on, I think, with the observation of the neck being too skinny. With this perspective you have - a sort of mix of a profile and a 3/4 view - I think the neck would be wider, or rather more of it would be showing.
As for the hair being flat, I think I would agree with you. Maybe if you give the clear impression that some of the strands are coming from behind his face, and others are in front, it could add more of a sense of depth to it. Also, I think it looks a tad "clumpy". More of a balance between clumps and single strands could maybe help.

[aldog]

Good point with the clumps vs. strands, I guess I just gotlazy and left my first sketch of the hair in there instead of redoing all of it like I should.
The upper lip and teeth are a bit weird, but he's kind of snarling in the picture, are you talking about maybe the position of the seperations of teeth compared to the angle?
Now after seeing my drawing and the reference after taking a break from it for a couple days I se I need to make the neck bigger still.
thanks agent, ref...

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/852/cabin7ce2.jpg

[AgentPrometheus]

I took your reference photo and your WiP photo and pulled them up on my screen so they were side by side, I noticed a few things:
-The upper lip in the painting seems more "furled" than the reference. They look kind of like they are smaller, thinner, or more slitted than the reference. Personally, I've always had a problem with drawing lips because of their scale - I tend to observe them as being smaller than they really are - maybe something like that is happening.
-Also, You can see some of his left cheek peeking out from behind his nose in the reference, which isn't seen in the painting.
-The jawline in your painting seems kind of straight to me... I'm kind of guessing here, but I think that maybe giving a more "banana-shaped" feel could work. Having it curve upward as it approaches the neck perhaps.
-Looking at the reference it's clear stuff is happening with the neck. At the front, where the line should be moving down and to the left, it curves out to the right. I'm thinking it's because of that the line at the back of the neck was pushed so far forward.

I also think your observation about the angle/perspective of the teeth is correct. You're making good progress, and good observations about the work, keep it up!

[CybrGfx]

It depends on how realistic or how stylized you want this piece to be, and how much you want it to resemble the reference photo guy.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7042/cgthairportrait1gu6.gif

[aldog]

Thanks guys, a lot of things pointed out there that I never considered. I did want a kind of anime/stylized look to it just for this drawing but I still want it to look like him. time to pull up the drawing and go at it again.

[joeian]

i think the hair looks a little bit hard:thumbsup:

[aldog]

Made a couple small changes, maybe the head's big enough now, and the shoulders too.
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8255/windyjake3tx6.jpg

[Anisi]

The neck looks to up and down. The neck comes out from the body at an angle, not vertically. If that makes any sense at all?

[GlennEBrooks]

CbryGfx, I like the blend of photo to drawing. That's very instructional here. How did you do that?

[aldog]

I can't speak directly for cybergfx but I think he put them both in a photoshop file and opened the animation palette and then used the tween tool.


anisi, i semi understand what you're saying but I'm just not sure where to fix it, is it just on the right side that you think needs adjusting?

[Anisi]

I can't really pinpoint it but something doesn't sit right. If you go here, it explains about the neck. I know this is for profiles but could still be applied to yours. http://www.portrait-artist.org/face/profile1.html

Maybe more muscles in the neck? Not quite sure.
I love the detail on the necklace and the sky.

[aldog]

Thank you very much, I pretty much never do backgrounds because I can't get a grasp of what should work, but a stormy one was suggested to me on DA and so I decided to give it a try.

I'll read through that tutorial and see if anything starts making sense, you're definitely right that there's something not right. Do you think it's how the shirt seems to droop like he has no shoulder on the left side? I just noticed that, and maybe i'll angle it more inwards on the right side (the neck) and see if it makes a difference.
I'm also not liking the hair, it seems like the closer part isn't long enough when compared to the part coming from behind his head.
I was kind of just going along with what you were saying cause I trusted you, but after taking a couple of days and spending my time drawing something else, now that I come back to this I can see what you're saying.

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