Texture/Light/Render - Building/Environment -Iguiniz.X.

[leigh]

Hey Iguiniz.X., good luck for the challenge - looking forward to seeing what you are going to do :)

[Iguiniz.X.]

well I won't let you wait till the weekend. I made a drawing here at collage and scanned it.
The tower on the left became a bit transfored, the diameter became less and the tower is longer? (how do you say that). well I think you still get the idea of my tower.
It is like a watchtower.

The meaning is that you see the tower at night with the moon shining (<--?) trough the clouds or maybe some clouds but a really clear sky. I think a clear sky would do the trick. Then the elves who are the gardians of the tower made a fire place so you seen light coming out of the windows.
and some plants are growing on the tower ( plant's that alway's crawl on castle's What is the name?)
Well I won't tease you with my bad english any more and update soon.

[puddlefish]

Always nice to see a few environments as a break from all the characters!!
Remember to add lots of little detail, it's the detail that gives environments their sense of scale and realism. Always try to include something we recognise as a reference point, like a person or a tree.

[leigh]

Well, that sketch looks very promising :D and your description of the scene sounds very cool.
The plants that grow up buildings are called creepers, and the plant itself is called ivy. You also get moss growing on the walls if they are in a lot of shade.

A word of warning - moonlight is VERY tricky to get 100% right, all too often "night time" renders just come out looking badly lit. Moonlight is very subtle, yet quite bright - I would highly recommend using radiosity when you render it.

Don't worry about your english, by the way, it's fine :) En as jy kan nie in Engels praat nie, jy kan in Nederlandse praat, want ek kan dit verstaan (ek hoop dat jy kan my afrikaans verstaan ook)

[Iguiniz.X.]

To Puddlefish:
Thanks for the tip's
I don't think I'll go for high detailed things, because as I said, I am just starting to learn. And then lot's of details will distract the eye from the real object. Well I'll ad a reference poin't object or human.
Yea hat is a great Idea. Thanks again.

To Leigh:
Well I'm using 3DMAX 3.1 so I hope you can help me with the moon when the time comes. What is radiosity????
You people in South africa speak a language which got a lots of Dutch words. :p En ja ik heb je Afrikaans begrepen. Best cool dat het op elkaar lijkt. Alleen ik heb ooit gehoord dat jullie vaak woorden voor een andere betekenis gebruiken dan wij. Wat best grappig is:D . If you didn't understood :shrug: what I just wrote I'll transelate it later on.

Well maybe I update soon with a new drawing. What! I'm going to my mother this night so then I'll post a pic out of 3D max:wavey:

[Iguiniz.X.]

Tonight and this weekend I'll be working on it. Maybe I'll post some picture's and and ask for some help. And I want to upload the 3DMax file of my tower, for the people who wanna help me a bit ( so it ill be easier), but does somebody know were I can upload my 3DMax file?because as far as I know Geocities doesn't supports it :( . Or does it?

By the way how do you guy's upload such a big image. even with GIF my file is to BIG

[Iguiniz.X.]

:shrug: Why do I have to make them so small!:shrug:

[urgaffel]

They have to be small so that people won't fill up the space (on the server) too fast. 50Kb means no movies or such. Also, if you want to reduce the filesize, use Photoshop/AcdSee/PSP and save as a jpg and turn up the compression ratio. That will reduce the file size.

Or get some webspace and link to your image from there :)

[Iguiniz.X.]

TO Urgaffel:
I knew that it was because not everybody has a fast conection but I didn't knew about the compresion ratio. I got Photo Shop 6.
Can you tell me were to find that comresion ratio.

ToALL
well here is a Pic and I need some help with a thing which I don't know how to do. ( I hope you are going to understand this) Were I made the red circle, there is were I wana make a new round segment. I wanna make the segment in the already exciting object. How to do How to do.:annoyed:
Then I want to make a hole in the floor so a stair way can lead down. But when I delete a square in selections in editable mesh there is a whole but it leaves skin of the sealing and of the floor appart.--> Picture
A. this is how I wana have it
B this is what happends:annoyed:
I can Look inside of the editable mesh and tha isn't what I intended.
Hope you can help

[Iguiniz.X.]

Sorry wrong image> this one is the right one

[Iguiniz.X.]

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well This wil do. I hop it works this time:annoyed: :annoyed:

[OZ]

ok...i try it....

Select the circle face.exrtude the selection near the 0.(just clik on extrude without put a numeric value)use the bevel button to reduce the size of the extruder circle.u now have two circle.select a couple of face from the external circle,then make a negative extrusion....I have just done a Max Example of what you need.if u send me a valid mail i can post u the max file....this file contain all the stacks 4 a step by step modeling.....:)

[urgaffel]

File->Save Image For Web (Ctrl+Alt+Shift+S)

There you can adjust compression and see what will be most efficient. Aslo when you choose "Save As" I think you can set the compression. You don't see how it affects the image, but values above 60% aren't usually that noticeable. Good luck

[Iguiniz.X.]

:thumbsup: You are GreAT:thumbsup:

Here is a pic with the circle added. It worked. :bounce: By the way I made it planer afterwards didn't extrude it in the opposit way afterward's
I think it doesn't matter. But maybe it does, if it does tell me plz.
Well I didn't found the exact word `comresion rate` but I can make my image smaller so Thanks.

Well Here is my mail. Xavier@San.Giorgi.as And if you wish I can sent you my file of the tower.

well Thanks for the helping:wavey:

[Iguiniz.X.]

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[Iguiniz.X.]

Update

[Iguiniz.X.]

Need some more help.
As you see in the Image I have made a slice of the entire roofbricks(<-- don't know name) and I think it is a bit stupid to place them al 1 by 1. So I thought there must be a faster way to do it. In Auto cad it is possible to Polar Array. But in 3DMAX I can't find a good tool to do it. same problem with the Roof bricks of the upper roof.

[OZ]

ok post me your tower!i will post u mine!hey,seem u have done a good job!

Well,you could do that in many ways.U coluld do the array tool of max,on the top/right of the common toolbar.
But,if it was me that have to do "ROOFBRIKS" (what english guys!what english!:p )i use the extrude tool (i love it you know!).
ok...start selectin the face u wat to make "roofbriks" on the external circle of the tower.copy the selection to a new maesh.
Use the extrusion tool on the new mesh with editmesh selecting by face the entire obj......:wavey:

[Iguiniz.X.]

I've been working on my model with Sangotten for two hours now.
I never thought that it would be working out this good.
I'm quite impressed actually by what has happend to my moddel.
We deleted some stuff as you can see and rendered it with Brazil...duh!!!

-OZ- I didn't check my mail yet but your explenation wil come in handy when I make some window's that indicate the stairway's and the stairway to the upper roof.

Hope you like it what we have done with it. --> Thanks to Sangotten.
http://sangotten.netfirms.com/Xaviertoren3.jpg

[leigh]

Hey there Iguiniz.X, your tower is coming along really really nicely :D
By the way, the roofbriks are called roof tiles in english :) hehehe not that it matters....
You aksed what radiosity is - it's when light is bounced around a scene and illuminates things indirectly (well, that's actually a very simplified explanation). It just adds a suble yet very cool effect to your renders :)
Keep updating!! I want to see MORE!!!!

[Iguiniz.X.]

-OZ-

Here are the Zip's
I can't open LongtowerNew so maybe it is the same for you.
Longtowernew is made at the house of Sangotten with max 4 and I have Max 3.1 so maybe that's the reason

http://www.geocities.com/kiop_nl/OwnArt/Longtower2new.zip

http://www.geocities.com/kiop_nl/OwnArt/Longtowerold.zip

http://www.geocities.com/kiop_nl/OwnArt/Longtower2.zip.
:wavey:

[Iguiniz.X.]

If you klick on the link you get a page that the link is going to a non excisting page.
Then Delete http://
and hit enter again
now you get a question to download it.
I didn't post the texture's so if you want I can do it later.

[Iguiniz.X.]

Just a little update

[leigh]

:)
You really need to make a bump map for the roof tiles :p they just have no definition yet...
What are you going to do with those windows along the top? Are you going to make window-panes or something for them?
You might also want to make the wood texture map a little smaller - if you think of the scale of the tower, the wood planks just wouldn't be that big :(
Keep the updates coming...

[Iguiniz.X.]

To Leigh:

The roof tiles have a bump of 30%, but you'r right it is far to low.
First wanted to make them in a row and then Polar array them. But since I don't know how to work with max script, I have to do it this way. With Max script I mean that I make one roof tile and make it a block then I can refer all the places were the rest of the roof tiles lay to that singel blok. this will cut in the file size.and it looks better, more 3D.
Yea the maps became a bit disoriented. When I copied the chances which we made on Sangotten's PC the texture's didn't stay in the document, so I had to do it all over and I had some problem's with it. Then My PC is totaly unstable at the moment and even my Start bar get's stuck sometime's so I had mayor trouble sunday. And now. I think I have to rebooth it.

The update was only to show my roof tiles of the lower roof.
Sangotten would post a Brazil render but he didn't so I posted this one.

With window panes you mean tings to close the window with, or something else? I don't know hat you mean by it.

Thanks for the coments and they are alway's welcome.

[leigh]

By window-panes, I meant shutters, which, yeah, are the things you pull closed over the windows :)
Waiting for an update.... :)

[forget-me-not]

I've viewed your tower, frankly, it's kind of rough. You have to sit down and be patient to try to your details. One nice model plus good texture makes a complete piece of work.
A saying goes : Don't be afraid of perfectness, 'cause we all can not get it.
Work hard together!

Your friend in China,

Wang Jiancheng

[Iguiniz.X.]

Thanks for your kind advise forget-me-not,
Yea it's kind of rough, but I have not much time to work on it and at the moment my PC is so unstable that sometimes even my start bar doesn't react anymore.
And your right, I have to be patient.

Leigh: I think I'll try to make some window-panes for the upper roof windows so in the night you can make it less cool :cool:

I got a idea to cut the tower in half so you can look inside and see the interior like the weapon closet ad things stairs were they sleep. <-- Will be a lot of work but I think I'll do it.

What do you think of this idea?
:thumbsdow ? /:thumbsup: ?

[leigh]

:thumbsup: do that - the more detail, the better :)

[Iguiniz.X.]

I'm going to rebooth my PC and hope it will function again as if I just bought it.
I get really really anoyed:annoyed: by my PC:annoyed:
I hope to see you again sometime.
If not it means that my PC crashed and that it will take a long time.:hmm:
:sad: an it make's me :mad:

[PixelPusher]

Originally posted by Iguiniz.X.
I'm going to rebooth my PC and hope it will function again as if I just bought it.
I get really really anoyed:annoyed: by my PC:annoyed:
I hope to see you again sometime.
If not it means that my PC crashed and that it will take a long time.:hmm:
:sad: an it make's me :mad:

Join the club. :annoyed: :scream: :shrug:

[Iguiniz.X.]

Join the club.
Sorry everything is worKing ine except my keyboard but the system is running again. So I have to disapoint you THAT I think I´m no longer with the CLUB
:bounce: MAN I can go along with my work:bounce: :twisted:
YEA:cool:

[PixelPusher]

I remember working on a project very similar to what you are doing. This was back several years.

In short... crash, reboot, realise I lost an hour or 2 of work, swear at my monitor, go back to work.

Such was the fun that was Max1 and NT4. After all we had state of the art PCs ... *brand new* Intergraph P166mmx, 64megs ram, 2 Gig Ssci HD, 1/2 meg video, MASSIVE 17" monitors.

Muahahahaha... ahem. :scream:

3 months later they were obsolete.

[Iguiniz.X.]

Stair update.

I sucseede making a hole in the flour. (-OZ- Thanks)
but since I got Max 4 I can't render, don't know why.
So you have to do it with this for the moment.
Every thing is a bit straight for a half mideval building but when I get a beetr hang of this program it whil chance.
Hope you like this small update.

[Iguiniz.X.]

2nd pic of 4

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3rd pic of 4

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4th pic of 4

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[Iguiniz.X.]

Sorry for these not renderd image's
It is that I can't render. 3DMax 4 doesn't render in some way??
So i HOPE TO FIX IT SOON
and the stupidest thing is that it is an texture chalange!!
Hope I fixed it before the chalange finshed or the meaning for my participation is a bit senseles.:rolleyes:

[Iguiniz.X.]

The only thing I had to do is to start all over, but now I can get the tower even better. I hope!
Well her ea update waht I've been doing so I hope yo get were I'm going.
I'm going to leave hole's in the building so you can look inside.:cool:

[Iguiniz.X.]

Here are some really primitive renders.
I didn't have much time adn exctually it is my 2nd time rendering,
Should read a book about it. Well it is something.

[Iguiniz.X.]

with anice background.

[Iguiniz.X.]

last one

[Iguiniz.X.]

:wavey: Helo, I need atention:wavey:

just yoking, But it might not be the best there is in the challenge but I sure would like some coments and critics.

[Iguiniz.X.]

well this is the thrith time I render alone so what do you think?
I had some crashes with max so maybe I'll be able to post some pic's form the point were I was when I had a crash. That will be tomorrow

[leigh]

Hey Iquiniz.X. - you should really render a closer view so that we can see the detail...
You shouldn't render it with that background though. It just doesn't really work :(
Also if you do use photos as backgrounds, then you should try and match the lighting in your scene to the light in the photo. For instance, that was obviously taken in the early evening, yet your tower is brightly lit.
Just tweak your lights a bit.
Also, find another image - this one has been used to death :cry:

[OZ]

I agree with leigh about the photo and lights,however im very happy to see that the job proceeds so well. (except max crashing .......:p ;) )..........so keep it up and good except 4 the final entry!:bounce: boing.

[Iguiniz.X.]

He thanks,
I will try to post some closer renders but don't expect to much details. I hope I can do it before friday. :bounce: BECAUSE TODAY WILL BE MY FIRST TIME THAT I CAN VOTE. TODAY IS ELECTION DAY:bounce: . Tomorrow I go rowing and have to do lot's of things for school and friday I might be able to do something.

Yea your right about the light and I've done it in the first image and tried it in an earlier image ( the image that wasn't renderd with Brazil.
This render is a render which i made for fun ( before MAX crashed), didn't really took the effort to tweak te light so it looked like if the light from the image really came from that direction.
But I should.

The reason why max crashes is that I'm working in Utrecht with my dads laptop. The Laptop shouldn't be able to run MAX because of his RAM and pentium but in some way it works. :cool:
But the other side of the coin is that it will run out of memory after a while and that will make it will crash.:annoyed:
But is is quite exeptional that I can MAX in Uthrecht.
It is that I borrowed the Laptop for a presentation for school. It was about "Le Corbusier"
And I don't have a PC in Uthrecht, were I studie and live during the week. My Parents live in Leiden were I can MAX during the weekend because my mum has the only PC in the familie that.

I riped the background from 3Dcafe!!

[Iguiniz.X.]

Exept for one. I put all the renders on Floppy-Disk but one image has an error. So when I get home I'll post the other.
The light from the background doesn't match my light's but I didn't had the time to cahce it and I think with this light you can see every thing better. Hope you like it


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[Iguiniz.X.]

something is wrong with my floppy:shrug: :annoyed:

[Iguiniz.X.]

whatever out of whatever

Bythe way can someon deletde the double post's ( more or less)

[Iguiniz.X.]

:surprised

[Iguiniz.X.]

something is really wrong with my floppy so I do the rest when I'm home

AND PLEASE DELETE THE NOT NECESAIRY PICTURE"S
THANKS IN ADVANTAGE

[Iguiniz.X.]

Here is the rest

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