Picture of of my crush

[eddy-3ddy]

wow nice girl. I can believe you can get a crush on her.

give some more contrast with shadows, and the eyes are a bid hard egded

:applause:

on the left the head looks bigger, the direction of hair is there wrong, according to the picture.

but the result so far looks promising:wavey:

[Digiegg]

What do you mean the direction of the hair is wrong?
I'll try to give it some more contrast on the face.
Should I use like 2B to get the dark parts or should I keep this same pencil...

[eddy-3ddy]

I used always the same, 2b is too soft, that's only my idea. (i''m left handed)

here a correction red line image. the striped line is your's, the correction is in solid red.

It's just a suggestion (ps, first tryings on a tablet, so don't mention the ruffness)

ps(the hair direction (you turned her head a bit) is most of the times to the floor)

[Digiegg]

OoOOOo I see them now. hahaha
I drew this with F. So I guess I'll use like 4B or something?

[eddy-3ddy]

f?? we call it here H I think

H stands for Hard
B for soft

How higher the number , How harder or softer the pencil

b4 is very soft

h4 is very hard

[Helix]

F is directly between H & B.

[Digiegg]

yea. hehe
I don't know which one to use.

[Neil]

How about not worrying about what pencils you use, and worry about the technique, like he was nice enough to outline for you.

Buying a 100 dollar pencil is not gonna make you a better artist

[blindsleeper]

yes i would suggest following the technique outlined above, cute girl, and ive never heard of a pencil that cost very much even a b4 or a h4

[eddy-3ddy]

Originally posted by Helix
F is directly between H & B.

then F is in the netherlands "HB"

[Digiegg]

haha I showed her the drawing today, she was like, "HEY! THAT'S ME!!!" and she had a smile on her face.
And this just in!!!!
She likes me too!!!!! MAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHA :bounce:

Oh... hair looks a bit weird... someone point out why? I've been looking at this so much.. I can't really tell.

[Jaedin]

Looks like the hair needs more contrast. Notice how much darker it is in the picture. Also, the hair doesn't seem to be the same length in the drawing and in the picture, would be fairly easy to fix by just adding some more. And finally, notice the hair on the left side of her neck, in the drawing it covers her shirt collar, which it doesn't do in the picture. Those are the big things I've spotted just looking at it.

[drunkirishmic]

F is between HB and H, its mainly used for drafting, anyways. looks good dude, since u got the one on the right, is the one on the left single? lol

if u want to continue this piece, i would begin now with a 2B to get some deeper shadows and such. scratch at the page one line at a time slowly and contolled. u will get a very smooth transitions. and always go light to dark. once u hav the 2B stuff done, take it down a notch with a 4B or 6B. then u will really start to bring it to life, i think deep darks bring everything else forward so much more.

[rrobert]

Nice, but she doesn't really look asian don't you think. To western look..

(sorry, not to nice critics..like you asked.) :p sorry

[Digiegg]

she's only half asian.
Half asian and half white.
^^
I'm currently trying to improve contrast.
I also cut the face too.

I'm having problems drawing the hair...
Do I just draw lots of straight lines or..?

[DePingus]

If you keep this up you might lose your bet!

[eddy-3ddy]

maybe a tip on your way, print the not spoiled version on a white paper and practice for the best result.


What I did sometimes:
dark places just make it darker (in the hair direction) when done add some darker lines to define hair.

PS: don't try this on the original...

[Digiegg]

Originally posted by DePingus
If you keep this up you might lose your bet!

eh who is this??

[eddy-3ddy]

dunno, it's your thread:D

[psumo]

haha nice work

now time to draw her in the nude.

[Digiegg]

Originally posted by psumo
haha nice work

now time to draw her in the nude.

u just gave me an idea :evil grin::D

[DePingus]

I am all seeing and all knowing.

:twisted:



And I visited your website!

[Digiegg]

Okay... I ****ed up her eyes... Please help me SEE... I can't see anything anymore... Help help!!!
http://members.cox.net/dj-shinji/melissa2.jpg
http://members.cox.net/dj-shinji/hollywoodshot04.gif
Her mouth... her eyes... main problem..

[Duffman]

The outline of her nose and eyes should be much softer.

Her teeth are crooked compared to her lips too.

[Helix]

Originally posted by Neil
How about not worrying about what pencils you use, and worry about the technique, like he was nice enough to outline for you.

Buying a 100 dollar pencil is not gonna make you a better artist

i dunno.. i think a $100 pencil had ought to make you better or else no one would ever buy it ;)


about the pic, look at it upside down. and backwards. since its on paper, hold it up to light and look at it through the blank side. you'll see your flaws that way.

the eyes are just big, its not true to life but its not necessarily bad. exageration is often what makes portraits recognizable to some extent.

[anakin78z]

Hey dude,

good taste in woman :)

One thing you have to look out for is smudging the face too much. I think that especially when drawing woman, a clean face with minimal detail works best. Depends of course what style you're going for.... I think the biggest problem right now is that your proportions are a bit off. One great technique is to divide both the picture and your drawing paper into equal amount squares, then just look at each individual sqare and sketch in everything first, cause that way you're guaranteed to have good proportions. Make sure you draw the squares very lightly though, so that you can easily erase them. Another thing I'd recomend is to keep a clean piece of paper under the part where your hand touches the paper when you're drawing. That way you dont' have to worry about smudging :)

Maybe work on building up values to get nice gradients. Start with light strokes, and then go over it again where it should be darker. That way you may avoid a pencil line look.

Not sure about how best to approach hair... I guess focus more on the values, rather than the idea of it being hair. If you get your lights and darks right, you just need a few extra flow lines to make it look like hair.

Anyhoo, good luck (both with the drawing and the girl :thumbsup: )

Cheers.

[jellyfish]

Hi Nissan,

If I was in your shoes right now (ie have worked for hours on this and can no longer see what I'm looking at), I would just stop right there on that drawing.

Now take out a new sheet of paper.

Now, knowing what you know now, start over fresh. Your second try, or third or fourth, will come out much better, I promise! You will no longer be trying to adjust and tweak (and worry about your eraser eating through your page), but taking a whole new look at your subject.

You could also see if you can get another photo, just to change the subject image even more.

About the hair -- dark hair, in my opinion, is fairly easy, once you do like anakin said -- look at the actual color and value of the hair as if it was just an abstract image, and shade in the value only. Don't try to make lines to act as symbols to the hair, because her hair kind of gets lighter and darker as it flows (due to highlites). Once you have the shading of the hair roughed in accurately, go over it with a darker pencil to indicate the darker, long hair shadows, and an eraser to add long hair highlights. You will find your image depth and interest improves twice as much with shaded-in hair rather than drawn-in strands.

jellyfish

[Digiegg]

Yea... the drawing as of now... sucks... I kept messing with it and it turned out BADDDD...
So I'm going to take your advice and try again.
As for the picture, I'm going to make her take another one since the picture I have is just too small... Can't really see the details...
Thanks for complimenting me on my taste ^.~ hahaha I'm working on it!!!
What paper should I use to do this kind of drawing? the sketching paper I bought at Giant almost tore up after erasing 20 times... hehe.
Bristol board is what they call it?
hmm.. yea I'll start again but now what paper...

[jellyfish]

Bristol is very good, get some smooth stuff. Start with a light pencil to rough in the features; h or 2h works for me, but that's cuz anything lighter makes me break leads as I try to make the line darker :). Get the sketch just right, then go over it again and again, moving to darker and darker pencils, to get in details.

Get a pad of bristol, and don't be afraid to start over if you mess up. Every time you do it, you'll get better (practice, right? :) ). You might also get a cheap pad of thin paper, so you can flip the page and start over if your sketch goes wrong. Then, when you get a sketch you are happy with, reverse-trace it onto the bristol and you will have a good foundation for a finished drawing. (I reverse-trace by covering the back of the thin paper with pencil marks from a 2b or 4b pencil, laying the sheet over the bristol, and tracing the sketch with a light, hard pencil, which transfers the graphite on the back onto the page below.

Also, use a nice eraser like a Mars eraser, not sure if you have them where you are but they are white and smooth and don't hurt the paper very much. You might also want to get a "kneaded" eraser, the soft grey kind that's like modeling clay, it works well to dab off graphite and charcoal if you got it too dark (but don't smear it, just dab and then re-knead the eraser).

ALTERNATIVELY: You could get charcoal paper (with a rougher surface) and a couple charcoal pencils, and try your hand at that. It's WAY darker (usually) and not very erasable, though, so it forces you to draw accurately the first time.

You can try making several drawings very quickly, less than 30 seconds each, then try a 2-minute drawing, then longer, just for practice. You might be surprised at what your hand can do when you turn off your brain and just draw eye-to-hand. If your drawings look like crap at first, don't give up. It took me a couple months of practice to get the hang of fast drawing, and it's worth it.

I myself like the charcoal effect better, it reveals your gestures as you draw and the high contrast lines really makes your drawing pop. Plus, you can get REALLY dark (much more than is possible with graphite) which almost always improves the drawing. I especially like charcoal sticks, since you can lay them sideways and fill in large areas, and vary the pressure to make gradients (works great for dark hair, btw ;) ).

jellyfish

[meheekano]

dude the eyes are to big and stay away from actually drawing in lines for shapes just shade it in
if you know what i mean

hmm
i dont know but have you tried like doin a grid over them
so you can see howthe stuff lines upt to get everything in the
right place

and those ladies can crush me anytime
sorry for that last comment
im a guy

[meheekano]

um im a dumbass
i just read someone else mentioned the grid

so just break it down first then add detail at the end


uh yeah

[DFGFX]

Nice.

Could work on the eye more. Strong outline isnt very good, it should be smooth and detailed. But good !

[graphix19]

You draw the same way that I used to draw back in high school. My teacher was always telling me to add blacks. I find that photographs are always hard to draw from because they do not reproduce good lights and darks (usually pretty washed out). You should scan the image and turn it into a black and white photo and mess with the brightness/ contrast. I added a quick pen sketch that I did while reading this thread. I always start from the skeleton and work up. The major rule to successful drawing is work general to specific, which means don't focus on the details first. Using the grid method, in my opinion, makes the image look patchy because you are focusing on the grid more than the proportions of the actual model. Just my 2 cents...
graphix

PS: I used a notepad that I got with starcraft, so no I don't work for Blizzard. :)

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