Posting in the WIP and gallery

[chi]

ummm another thing if you are worried about getting replies just create a link to your work in your signature....kinda like i have down below

[squidinc]

I agree I think everyone should be posting final works in the gallery, because otherwise after a couple of days will just disapear into the c4d archives, on WIPs though I think it nice to get feedback from the people that are familiar with the software you're using, quite often the feedback thats recieved will be more useful because they'll know how c4d works, ( and personally I prefer getting feedback from you guys because you know what you're talking about )

[That Adrian Guy]

Kai... make it a C4D subforum... if all else fails

I was contacted by the same mod = )

I agree the forum is moving ultra fast. I just REAAALLY have a hard time posting in the other WiP section... You never get good feedback!

Besides, C4D is more tight knit than other proggie users IMHO.

[squidinc]

Originally posted by That Adrian Guy
Kai... make it a C4D subforum... if all else fails


that idea I like, something like "C4D WIP Gallery" maybe, and maybe a C4D finished images gallery, then we'd always have access to all images created by everyone here ( but still post in the main gallery, even if its just a link to the thread that gets posted in the c4d gallery)

[dandavis]

Hi, now I'm feeling kinda bad. I've been posting my WIPs here too. I've really value'd the feedback I've got here. I'd hate to lose that. I was worried because I know how these forum's can get sometimes. That's why I've always asked people to let me know if it was getting to be too much. Well, I guess someone has. ;) I like the sub-forum idea too. I'm still to new to feel like my opinion matters too much but that's really a good idea, I think. -- dano

[Per-Anders]

i think many people prefer the security of their own app's forum, especially for things that are just tests rather than full blown works. the main gallery and wip area can be intimidating, and things get burried there even faster than in here! one day in wip=four pages!

having said that, i agree more people should be more confident, and assertive, posting their work in the main gallery and wip sections... be proud of your work guys :)

[That Adrian Guy]

Hmmmm... I have never had a constructive crit in the WiP section.

Other than "cool" followed by the next 5 replies that are just concurrences with the first reply. IE "I agree.. that's cool" "yeah man... that's cool"

I'll be proud to post in the finished works section of CGtalk... but the WiP section will never see my post = )

[squidinc]

Originally posted by dandavis
Hi, now I'm feeling kinda bad. I've been posting my WIPs here too. I've really value'd the feedback I've got here. I'd hate to lose that. I was worried because I know how these forum's can get sometimes. That's why I've always asked people to let me know if it was getting to be too much. Well, I guess someone has. ;) I like the sub-forum idea too. I'm still to new to feel like my opinion matters too much but that's really a good idea, I think. -- dano

WIPs are always welcome, its just that it appears that the mod that contacted kai probably feels like we're all hiding away from the wip and gallery

[dandavis]

I'm glad to hear that, squid, this is the only place that I feel I've really received any constructive criticizm. OK, I'll stick around. ;) -- dano

[JIII]

I am not so sure about a sub forum but then again if you only check in once a day you arent gonna see everything.

geez i started using the forum what 2-3 months ago back then a thread would last for 4 days before it sank all the way.

now its down to half a day.

[AutoG]

I'm which you 'That Adrian Guy'... and when I say I'm which you, I don't mean it like an expression or somethin', I mean... 'I'm which you, the WIP section won't be seeing any of my posts either.' At least for now.

A C4D sub-forum would rock. Or maybe all software specific forums could have their own WIP sub-forums.

[chi]

see the problem with every seperate forum having its own gallery is that eventually people will only post in their appropriate forums...which in a way breaks up this entire art community.

[Demonslayer]

For now I'll still post my WIPs and finished work in here. I'll use the other forums after I get better. :)

[JIII]

this is a little off topic but why on earth when i click on the sub forum for tutorials and tips does it show 100+ posts yet there are only 48 in the forum itself.

also aren't the things that are driving the post count up for that sub forum the tips threads.

which seem to have vanished completly.

yo mods whersa my pedunke postie tippy doo umm thingyyy wingy gosa.

jar jar speak for where are the tips.

[miketche]

Well I haven't posted much of anything yet on this site, but the best feedback I got on one of my images in the WIP forum was "Switch to a different app":shrug:

(don't need to dwell to much on this, as it's already be discussed):D

[dandavis]

Bah! Ignore those bozos, we know the truth, don't we Mike! C4D is the 3D package of the future!

[JIII]

and the present.

[LucentDreams]

First of all, th tips thread is there but it hasn't had a new post in 30 to 60 days. So you need to change how far back the forums shows to see it. I'll think of a tip to add to get it to show.


anyways I think I've come up with an idea. What if people were to share their works in the WIP and gallery forums (again still optional, and tests don't have to be considered WIP's) anf we had one thread, one single thread in which people could post links to their current project, thus you share it with us, we can make sure to check it out offer support, it keeps the threads on the front page and allows the public to help. As for people cracking about the app, you've got to very active mods and a whole lot of very active C4ders who will stand up for your work. Not to mention Titowill also make sure people keep in line lol cause now he's a c4der aswell.

Everyone like this idea? I know its intimidating, but best way to get feedback and crits are toput it out on the line. by making sure we all know about it you still get that safety and familiar support.

[dandavis]

OK, I posted the latest version of the WIP I'm working on in the WIP gallery.

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by Kaiskai
anyways I think I've come up with an idea. What if people were to share their works in the WIP and gallery forums (again still optional, and tests don't have to be considered WIP's) anf we had one thread, one single thread in which people could post links to their current project, thus you share it with us, we can make sure to check it out offer support, it keeps the threads on the front page and allows the public to help. As for people cracking about the app, you've got to very active mods and a whole lot of very active C4ders who will stand up for your work. Not to mention Tito will also make sure people keep in line lol cause now he's a c4der aswell.

Everyone like this idea? I know its intimidating, but best way to get feedback and crits are toput it out on the line. by making sure we all know about it you still get that safety and familiar support.


It doesn't sound bad Kai, i already thought myself to something like that but i guess it would turn into a mess in a couple of weeks. What i usually do is making a double thread, one here for C4D users and one in the wip forum. But i'm not as active as Mike for example, i complete a project in 2 months more or less, i'm trying to do complex things like heads or cars, modeling doesn't require me that much, i can spend a couple days for a head or a week for a car, problem is i spend toooo much time on lighting and shading. :hmm:

[flingster]

ok wasn't aware of this.
if i ever get anything finished...or that i'm proud of...i'll post it in gallery...heh heh.
it is a bit intimidating...and very fast turnover in those parts though.

i would like to see a wip and gallery...sub forum...but that might not go down to well (sticky overkill)...certainly a c4d only gallery would be cool.

but i'm happy to go with the flow...i like the CONSTRUCTIVE crits people try an give here...or just the general ideas flow found on here...there is no right and wrong with art....and this comes across in this forum...people are not offensive they are genuinely trying to help....i also don't get enough time to surf cow or postforum...and generally just get enough time to surf cgtalk...arrh well.

[That Adrian Guy]

Originally posted by Kaiskai
anf we had one thread, one single thread in which people could post links to their current project ... we can make sure to check it out offer support,

Will this single thread be in the C4D forum or the WiP forum?

Frankly, when you have many "links" to many peoples work, it gets chaotic... you don't know who the replies are directed to, etc.

Seems like a lot of work. I understand you guys are looking at cgtalk as a whole, but I feel WiPs aren't as important to share as the final works. Either way, the means will be justified by the ends.

Not to disagree with the mods *eh hem* but I feel a subforum will work the best, and work the longest. The link solution seems like a temporary fix

[squidinc]

well.. to be honest, I'm carrying on as normal
I'm not posting in one thread, unless you make a ground rule, then I quit :)

a lot of posts stay on the front page of the c4d forum for a few days, mainly because people are interested and they reply, if no one is interested in whatever the post is about, does it really matter that it disapears in a matter of hours? :shrug:

[That Adrian Guy]

http://wattupyo.tripod.com/wattupyo/coolness/dddd.txt

[squidinc]

lol :D nutter

[LucentDreams]

True squid, but my concern was really proven to me when I woke up today. Every single thread on the first page of the C4D forum had a new post. If the C4D forum keeps growin at this rate soon you'll runinto similar problems.

As for adrian's questions, it would be a single thread here, sticky so always at the top, where you post a link to your WIP of finished piece gallery.

And squid, I"m not going to force anyone, thats part of the reason for this thread, is see if anyone has possible solutions. ONe other solution to this is our own WIP subforum, but I"ll tel you now I know three mods not fond of that idea, not sure what LilD,Thirdeye, and Rick would think. But the thing is that kind of subforum would really segregate us from the rest of cgtalk.

[JIII]

Is there a way to double post, so like we would have one subforum. That would have all of its posts automatically copied and linked to the WIP forum?

that would rock if its possible.

[ThirdEye]

I don't think that's possible, you have to make 2 different threads.

[JIII]

ohh well it would be cool to have them kinda tied together so people like squid and people like kai could all have everything they wanted.

[chi]

the one thread idea make perfect sense


.....at the top of the c4d forum their would be a sticky thread reading....
USER WIP'S or something like that

whenn you click this the page opened would contain links to c4d user works that would be located in the actual wip or finished works section.....


this would give us access to your works...and also the rest of the cg community....but keep clutter to a minimum since there is only 1 thread created

a good example of this kind of system would be the shader resource thread

[That Adrian Guy]

Originally posted by Kaiskai
I know three mods not fond of that idea,

Keep in mind we're talking about WiPs... big difference from finished works..


If making a subforum allows more c4d users to complete something they're satisfied with... I say it's worth it... plus we won't "flood" the already flooded WiP section any more.

[JIII]

I think the mods are mostly worriedabout us becoming a really closed community.

they want us to be respected with LW and MAYA and all the others.

but yeah I personally don't mind a more secluded C4D forum cause I love C4D. and the people here.

But they do have a good point. this is a CG talk site that isnt really so app specific. If we want our own little hide out we should found C4Dtalk or something.

[AdamT]

Frankly I don't see a problem with the way things have been going. If a thread gets burried without comment just do what I do--update your post with some improvements, bumping it back up, and hopefully inspiring some comment.

[RickBarrett]

I'm not crazy about the idea of a subforum - I think it does isolate the community too much and besides that if we keep going to that as a solution we'll get to the point where every thread is in a subforum and we've got to wade through 20 subforums to read the threads.

I do hope some more of you that are doing real quality work will post in the community areas. As a MAXON guy, I really don't want to see you guys go into seclusion because you're our #1 marketing tool. I think if we asked Tito why he's using C4D now he'd say it's because he saw some of Squid's great work. We can't expect everybody to wander into this forum to do that, but lot's of people check out the WIP and Gallery sections on a regular basis.

That said, I think the beginners need a place to share their work with a little less pressure, and I think this forum can serve that purpose. We don't really need some of that work representing CINEMA 4D anyway (no offense, guys - you're learning, but people do judge the app by the output they see). Maybe some of us mods should at least get more active about encouraging those that are working on really cool stuff to post into the WIP and Gallery areas as well (and MAXON's own gallery).

- Rick -

[That Adrian Guy]

Wow.

I had no idea.

I love Cinema 4D... that gives me a whole new insight. I don't know if I can hold up to squid, but I'll sure as hell try.

[JIII]

That was one thing that maxon might like. its not good for a company to have a dedicated loyal base of hermits, No word of mouth at all.


Its like BMW owners never actually drove their cars. just kept them in the garage. Which some do but thats beside the point.

anyway other that that there is not a huge pressing concern for WIPS in the WIP forum
it looks to me like in the past few days posts have leveled off a bit.

maybe dan is finally shutting up at postforum or somthing.

[AdamT]

I suppose it can't hurt to post in both places if you have something you think is worthy. I wasn't too impressed in my limited time at the WIPs forum. Some very good works get knocked of the front page in no time, while others--that may or may not be great--wind up getting 1000 responses and 20,000 views.

[JIII]

well if your WIP is very high quality there is not much that anyone will or can say.

Like if stalhberg posted stuff in the WIP forum people would just go wow dude thats awesome, for like 50 pages.

[AdamT]

Yeah, I guess it just seems sort of random what gets picked up and what doesn't. Maybe I need to look at it some more to see a pattern.

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