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arisuonpaa
01-13-2008, 01:05 PM
Hi,

This is my first try at matte painting that I've been working on since new year. There are still lots of buildings to be detailed, although most of the foreground buildings already have the necessary level of detail. Photo textures have been used for most of the detailed building walls. All the roofs are hand painted.

There's something in this image that is bothering me, but I cannot think what it is. I was hoping if any of you had ideas how to improve this. Should I introduce something to the foreground to gain one more level of depth? Are those flying ships ok, or should I get rid of them? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Ari

http://arisuonpaa.com/cityscape_cg_WIP_01.jpg

Greenham
01-13-2008, 01:56 PM
This is a great piece.

Perhaps I'm imagining it, but it seems a little lop-sided with so many ships towards the right of the image.

arisuonpaa
01-13-2008, 03:16 PM
This is a great piece.

Perhaps I'm imagining it, but it seems a little lop-sided with so many ships towards the right of the image.

How about moving one of the ships to the other side like this?

http://arisuonpaa.com/cityscape_cg_WIP_02.jpg

Squibbit
01-13-2008, 04:17 PM
toi vasen puoli näyttäs vähän imuttavan katsetta sinne ku siel on toi perspektiivipiste mikälie
ja pitkä tie vaikkei kai siel oo silti enempää nähtävää ku muual

sit öö tol varjosel alueel ei lie haittaa et noi talot on maalatun olosii mut valosal alueel
vois ehkä testaa color dodgettaa mestoi mihin valo osuu

ja sit noi etä talot blurraa ehkä turhan äkkii ja niis vois kait olla skarpimma outlinet

sit vois testaa et jos toi vesialue ois tasasempi gradientti koko kuvan aluella lähempänä
horisonttia ja ehkä lisää vähä detskui pilviin ja vähä tunettaa nois aluksien muotoja
tarkemmiks

sit noi pari skifi tyylist taloo oikeel ehkä hukkuu vähän noitten vasurin laatikkotalojen
sekaan, ne tuntuu vähän pieniltä tai jotain

mut sillee, emmä tiedä ooksmä oikees mut tolleen toi pisti mut miettii :P


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arisuonpaa
01-13-2008, 05:08 PM
What do you guys think if I tilt the horizon to gain more dynamic results? Does it make it too chaotic?

http://arisuonpaa.com/cityscape_cg_WIP_03.jpg

CybrGfx
01-13-2008, 05:15 PM
NOOOOOooooo!

You already have a tilting problem, two wrongs don't make a right.

It looks to be mainly inconsistent and unrealistic lighting, and a bit of unrealistic perspective.

The center of the canvas is full of buildings that are so much smaller than the sides, it is like a midget village in the center of a major city. Just bringing up the size a bit makes them better integrate to the scene overall.

The lighting is a far worse issue. Your light source is on the left hand side of the canvas. You show most reflections on the LH side of buildings. Except on the LH edge of the canvas. Then the highlights are coming from the right. It is too visually contradicting, and is part of the tilt illusion.
You also have very little light coming from the skyscrapers of the midget village. If they are abandoned, they would have been demolished to make way for an uber-skyscraper. If they are occupied, you should see much more lighting on them.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/549/matte2fq4.gif


Hope this helps some.

Squibbit
01-13-2008, 05:44 PM
i dunno i think the tilt helped some :)

Greenham
01-14-2008, 01:30 AM
haha, CybrGfx is a genious. And I thought it was the ships that were making the image tilt. :shrug:

arisuonpaa
01-14-2008, 04:56 PM
CybrGfx, thanks for doing this! I really appreciate your advice.

CybrGfx
01-14-2008, 08:36 PM
It's got the foundations to be a good matte. But, anything encompassing that much land surface on that large a scale has to be consistent, so that the eye smoothly can travel across, down, back and up again. If the eye hits a visual "speed bump," you lose the momentum, and the eye loses its position in the journey.

The human eye is designed to spot contrasts. It is how we survived as a species lo, these many centuries. Art is most effective when it uses these instinctive physiological reactions to good purpose.

Best of success on this! Looking forward to your update.

~Cyber

arisuonpaa
01-17-2008, 09:46 AM
I'm thinking of starting over from scratch with this painting. I'll probably do several sketches that I'll post here later. The current version just isn't interesting enough. Also, I will practice two point perspective instead of one point perspective in my next attempt.

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