NEW HULK International trailer!

[SheepFactory]

Roberto you are the man! :beer:



The trailer is absolutely amazing , way better than the old ones.
Cant wait!


Ali

[CGmonkey]

Awesome stuff :) :thumbsup:

[MaTaDoR]

wow, its looks amazing!

the one thing I was hoping for was alot of clear shots and just see the hulk running around in the daylight and they've pulled it off nicely =) none of that always dark or cloudy or there's smoke cause of explosions stuff...

so he looks angry, I cant wait to see the "gentle giant" emotions come thru.

[Aros]

Oh my god! The trailer is truely amazing :D

I'm defitinally going to see this movie when it's out :D:D

[eezie]

Heh, yeah this is nuts...and it looks as if its NOT going to SUCK.

[Tellerve]

Nice trailer, and thanks for the link. Anyone else notice the hulkified mastiff on the log in one shot? You might have missed it if you only watched it once. I don't recall there being any big dog thing in the hulk comics...anyone shed some light?

Tellerve

[JamesDeschenes]

Ahh it's looking sweet

[Jake McD]

that's weet, anyone know where i can Download the music from the trailer?

[MCronin]

Matrix, wha? The Hulk wll be the big winner this summer.

[iBlue]

oh gawd... they made his head too big... *sigh* cant win um all :hmm:

Lets hope a well acted storyline will keep it cool :beer:

[Diablo™]

Nice! there are some major improvements in the cg work on this trailer. I'm going to watch it, only because Jennifer is in it.

[Kid-Mesh]

This looks really awesome....

I was talking with a friend and we were discussing all the movies like the X-Men, Spider-Man, Bat-Man, DareDevil etc and thought how cool it would be if they released THOR... thats one story thats begging to be a Action/CG film.

It has all the fantasy elements, characters and location, that would be one hell of a film if done correctly. Lord of the Rings eat ya heart out.


Just a quick tidbit as well:

Did you know that out of all the Marvel Characters THOR and The HULK are equal in strength? The Hulk is only slightly stronger if THOR throws his hammer away. But when it returns then they are equal again.

[jorgelescale]

thanx a lot!;)

[lildragon]

blockbuster all the way

-lil

[iBlue]

anyone else notice the large head in the clip?

http://www.elementaleye.com/temp.jpg

Still gonna see it though :beer:

[GavinG]

Oh Sweet Lord!

That movie is going to be sweet. :drool:
I really didnt think that all of these "from comic to big screen" movies would be good, man was i wrong.

Im still waiting for The Punisher movie, but will probably be disappointed.

Hey Mesh, wasnt there a movie that had Thor in it? i dont think it was about him (in fact i thik it was a kids movie) but a total Thor movie would be nice.


Gav

[lildragon]

iBlue I'm sure it was an executive decision. He's not as green as your pic there, more hair, bluer pants, the rips are different, his fingernails aren't as trimmed, his abs... yeah. They wouldn't have invested so much money into this film and miss something this obvious..

salud

[anobrin]

Maybe im just to damn jaded after seeing the nearly flawless CG work on
Golem in "The Two towers......"


But Hulk looks like a pissed off shrek:surprised

[iBlue]

Originally posted by lildragon
iBlue I'm sure it was an executive decision. He's not as green as your pic there, more hair, bluer pants, the rips are different, his fingernails aren't as trimmed, his abs... yeah. They wouldn't have invested so much money into this film and miss something this obvious..

salud

LOL, ok i'll shaddup :beer:

[Diablo™]

haha, hulk as a pissed off shrek, i agree.

[malducin]

Well, things have to be adapted for the movie screen. The important thing is if they stay true enough to the source even with the artistic liberties taken.

Frankly it sounds like the same complaining as before: the Spider-Man costume was wrong, the design of the Goblin too, the X-Men suits are not yellow spandex ;-). Frankly the head size is such a minor issue.

[xzevlin]

His head is definately freakishly big, but it looks dang cool anyway.

Originally posted by Gavin_G

Hey Mesh, wasnt there a movie that had Thor in it? i dont think it was about him (in fact i thik it was a kids movie) but a total Thor movie would be nice.



The Incredible Hulk Returns was a made for tv movie that Thor was part of. Maybe you're thinking of Adventures in Babysitting, where Vincent D'Onofrio appears as Thor (though he's really a mechanic or something).

I think the rights for Thor were bought by a tv production company a few years back with the plan to turn it into a weekly series. Hopefully someone puts it on the big screen instead. I pray that they take Thor, Hulk, Iron Man and Captain America and make an Avengers movie eventually. You can't possibly get bigger budget than the Avengers though.

[[DSmod]Tweak]

fantastic movie trailer I CANT WAIT!

[[DSmod]Tweak]

oh man i wish i could swing a M1 Abram like it was a toy :annoyed:

[luv2xlr8]

Looks really great. Im starting to like the marvel movies now.
It would knock Matrix 2 if only Hulk versed Super-Man or all of the X-Men, Now thats a Block Buster!!
http://www.buyersmls.com/comics/superhero3.JPG

[SheepFactory]

Hulk vs X-man , now that would be something!!!!

:D

[ThE-BirD]

Awesome link, ya gotta love the Hulk:love:

[Capel]

Ok, now i know that ulitmately it's all a matter of opinion, but COME ON! The Hulk doesn't hold a candle to the Matrix! Every aspect is just WAY more sophisticated. Story, Effects, and everything else. But i will give you this, at least the Hulk has some half-decent actors in it. THAT's why it'll be good, if it is. But the Matrix Trilogy will dominate this year in EVERY category, as it deserves to! John Gaeta and his team are INVENTING effects for these films, not improving what's already been done over and over. And the story line alone is simply incredible. Ok, this isn't a matrix thread, so i'll shut up now. :buttrock:

[malcolmvexxed]

Dayumn. All i need now is for 100 bullets to be turned into a tv show on HBO

:buttrock:

[Rudity]

I like.
Definetly going to see this in the theaters!!!!:xtreme:

[Howzat]

Do any Americans have a problem with Eric Bana's accent?
I thought he did a terrible job in Blackhawk down but he seems to be a bit better this time around. Does he sound okay to you?

[AVTPro]

I was worried for a minute there.Spiderman and Hulk are two all time favorites. I'm glad to know neither turned out to be disappointment.

Hulk is Far Over!

[SheepFactory]

He sounds perfectly ok , i didnt have a problem with his accent in black hawk down either.

[Teyon]

He sounds okay. Personally, I think the Hulk in this film comes off a little too cartoony. They should have given him a darker look and feel to suit the darker themes of the storyline...heck, the grey hulk would've been a better way to go (and the grey hulk's head is about the size of the one in the film BTW). Story wise, I'm sure it'll stay as true as possible to the source and action wise, it seems really neat! SOme of the Hulk's movements were a little off though (that scream in the lab...what the heck was that?). All in all, it probably won't disappoint but it won't be winning any awards either.

While I love Thor, I don't think he'd work well as a standalone in a film. Throw him in the Defenders or the Avengers and then we'd have a movie with some meat. Personally, I'd love to see "The Dark Knight Returns" or "Kingdom Come" on the big screen...nothing could beat watching Superman have his butt handed to him by another superhero. hehehe...SHAZAM. heheh. I still love that sequence.

[skilled v²]

ONE WORD: INSANE

[SheepFactory]

[SOme of the Hulk's movements were a little off though (that scream in the lab...what the heck was that?). . [/B][/QUOTE]


You know none of the shots in the trailer are final right?

[Teyon]

Lord I hope so! :) Sometimes I think that and find I was wrong. Still, I've been a Hulk fan since I was a little bugger, I'm going to see this at least twice regardless. If for no other reason than to ensure a sequel!

[Animator395]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Thats all I have to say

[GavinG]

Yeah, xzevlin, that was it. The Babysitting one. I remember seeing it but i knew it wasnt actually about "Thor".

I can now rest, knowing the name of the movie.

Gav

[Celshader]

Originally posted by Capel
But the Matrix Trilogy will dominate this year in EVERY category, as it deserves to!

No doubt, but Return of the King should give Matrix Reloaded a run for its money! :applause:

[Joe2003]

Hi everyone! I'm new here, but I've got to respond to a couple of comments.

Maybe im just to damn jaded after seeing the nearly flawless CG work on
Golem in "The Two towers......"

But Hulk looks like a pissed off shrek

Hey, I enjoyed TTT, but there's certainly nothing there you could flawless CGI. There was some great CGI. In fact, brilliant CGI. There was also some average CGI, not to mention some godawful bluescreen compositing and poor miniature work. Either way, forget about Gollum. Rendering and animating a convincing,12 foot tall, green musclebound man is ten times more difficult than rendering and animating Gollum, Yoda, or any other CGI character.

As for the Shrek comment? :rolleyes: I'd expect that kind of comment from the AICN talkbacks.

http://theannex.curvedspaces.com/pictures/pictures/ttt/ug/images/gollomcap0272.jpg

Flawless? Not in my opinion. Damn good CGI, but not flawless.

The Hulk doesn't hold a candle to the Matrix! Every aspect is just WAY more sophisticated. Story, Effects, and everything else. But i will give you this, at least the Hulk has some half-decent actors in it. THAT's why it'll be good, if it is. But the Matrix Trilogy will dominate this year in EVERY category, as it deserves to! John Gaeta and his team are INVENTING effects for these films, not improving what's already been done over and over. And the story line alone is simply incredible. Ok, this isn't a matrix thread, so i'll shut up now.


I'm looking forward to the Matrix as well, but I think you've been listening to too much of Gaeta's and Silver's "the Matrix will cure cancer" comments. Yes, they will have great effects, but once again nothing they're doing is a difficult as make a 12 foot tall green man look believable. ILM takes risks. Taking on the task of creating a CGI Hulk is a huge risk. That is why ILM is the best. That's why ILM has won more Oscars than WETA and ESC combined, two times over I might add.

[Howzat]

Originally posted by Joe2003
Rendering and animating a convincing,12 foot tall, green musclebound man is ten times more difficult than rendering and animating Gollum, Yoda, or any other CGI character.

I disagree, Gollum required an incredible amount of emotion to be conveyed to the audience, which I think was achieved.
I don't think the Hulk will need to do the same to as great an extent, he just needs to look OK and smash lots of things :beer:

[Scandell]

wow...looks great

[mixed]

sick.

[PolyMangler]

looks good to me, looks like they managed to work in an old school comic book feel with teh viberant, clean colors in the lab.

p.s. theres already been a punisher movie, and everyone is still trying to forget it

[Shu]

I may be the only one here, but it just doesn't "do it" for me. The Matrix and TTT are the only two movies that I'm really looking forward to seeing.

My gut tells me that I'm going to walk away from the Hulk disappointed - but then again, it told me that for spiderman and Xmen... I gotta stop listening to that cynical little bastard..

[GRMac13]

Originally posted by Teyon
He sounds okay. Personally, I think the Hulk in this film comes off a little too cartoony. They should have given him a darker look and feel to suit the darker themes of the storyline...heck, the grey hulk would've been a better way to go (and the grey hulk's head is about the size of the one in the film BTW). Story wise, I'm sure it'll stay as true as possible to the source and action wise, it seems really neat!

I have to agree about the "cartooniness" of the Hulk judging by the trailer. It looks amazing, but it seems like he literally stepped right out of the comic-book. I know the purists are going to start whining, but IMO the trick of making a truly believable and appealing film based on a comic is to break the material down to it's bare essentials, and then build on that rather than trying to do a one-to-one copy of the source material. IMO, that would amount to alot of camp in most of these films (for example outlandish spandex costumes). Thankfully, it seems like the story is going to explore the darker side of Hulk, and delve into the emotions of the characters much more than the comics ever could (much like X2 is doing). I seems like they will probably focus more on the inner conflict between Banner and Hulk than anything else, and for that reason, I think they should have tried a "grittier" version of the Hulk. It's funny because my reaction to the original trailer was totally different. When I first saw Hulk, I liked the over-the-top proportions and the similarities to the comic. However, if they take the approach that I think Ang Lee is going to take, where they make it a sort of modern-day "Jekyll and Hyde" story, then I think they would have been more successful breaking away a bit from the comic style. :shrug:

That said, the film does look stunning and I think the storyline and acting are going to make all the difference. I'm just a little apprehensive about the way Hulk looks (esp. in the bright sun-lit shots). Still, I can't wait to see this film. I'm sure ILM did some excellent facial animation on Hulk for those close-ups and "emotional" moments. This seems to be the best year so far in recent movie history, with Hulk, the Matrix, X2, T3, ROTK, etc. Next years Oscars are going to be very interesting.

[onlooker]

I thought they would try to capitalize on the realisim that todays CG software has to offer when doing THE HULK. At first (superbowl trailer) I thought the CGraphics were unfinished, but now I'm starting to think they tried to give it comic-ish look which is refreshing in a way, but I like to be blown away by what today's software can do to fool the mind, and make you forget your watching something that is a fantasy. Nevertheless I know I will still enjoy the film because I always liked THE HULK. :airguitar

[bonecow]

What a twist! I grew up thinking that Banner was afraid of who he was because he couldn't control his rage (T.V. show played on this concept). Now, they've gone and made it where he likes what he becomes. Almost sadistic in a way. Cool!!! Can't wait to see this one.:thumbsup:

[Wilson-3d]

The HUlk has always been one of my favorite. Some above have mentioned the Grey hulk. In the comic-was it early 90's?- the hulk was grey for a while and was working for some gangsters in Vegas. He was the muscle. Talk about an original angle for a super hero movie. Just wanted to know if anyone else was reading it back then and if they thought that would of been cool.

[SuperMax]

As someone mentioned earlier about Eric banas accent.
Its not that its bad its just that you notice it. The first thing that caught my attention in this trailer was Banas accent. and that kinda put me off the rest of the trailer as i was concentrating more on the accent that the trailer.

Like i said, its not bad but im used to Bana cracking funny jokes on Fast Foward :drool:

Im sure most of you dont know what Fast Forward :applause:

[malcolmvexxed]

Originally posted by anobrin
Maybe im just to damn jaded after seeing the nearly flawless CG work on
Golem in "The Two towers......"


But Hulk looks like a pissed off shrek:surprised

sorry i had to respond to this. There was gollum, which was great, but there was also some veeery average cg work in that movie. and some of the compositing like when the big tree things were walking with the hobbits was just plain bad

[cgwolf]

yah, this trailer is 1000 times better than the superbowl one which basically I thought sucked (horrible music too). This trailer makes me want to see it now, but yes, the Hulks head is way too big. I have memorized his comic styles and drawn him over and over and definately - his bulk should easily outsize his head. But it should still be cool.

[Vash T Stampede]

:p Can't wait..

[parallax]

great.
i think the almost child like, uncontrolled movement gives him very much character. very well animated.

[Supervlieg]

awesome

[Diablo™]

all doesn't matter anymore, cuz SHE'S gonna be some ass-whopin when the sequel comes one!

http://www.mediocreminds.com/version1/images/superhero/w/she-hulk.jpg

:)

[AJE]

With regards to the earlier statements about the size of his head...

To me, all his proportions make him look like a muscle bound midget. For some reasons the 2D versions don't make him look that way. If you take him out of the set (and immediate points of reference), it really stands out... It may have something to do with the lack of definition on the muscles.

I'll definitely see it, but I am not expecting a lot.

[Nborg]

I have to agree that it looks too cartoony..But i will check it out, cus hulk i cool:)

[Seven]

To me I will go and see the film for the technical achievement of the Hulk. The Hulk himself looks very very impressive and I appluade ILM.

But apart from that the film screams average average average!. A film needs both story and effects but to me this is just a film that was made because people like going to see SuperHero movies at the moment. Its just Hulk smash this and Hulk smash that. It needs and should be alot more.

Sev

[Tad]

WAAHHHH ITS COOOLL!!!

anyone talkin smack about how the film seems average aside from the affects needs to just clam up.

i mean WTF do you expect?! you really expect a shakespearian production from THE HULK,

puh lease:rolleyes:

[Gkar]

Really good, if you want to download the .mov try this one

http://a772.g.akamai.net/5/772/51/41d50405d2ce22/1a1a1aaa2198c627970773d80669d84574a8d80d3cb12453c02589f25382f668c9329e0375e8178cfa63d93eb02384f01f93fb60bf279c0873/hulk-international-tlr-480.mov

copy and paste all the lines without spaces in your browser or download program

[ilac]

Originally posted by Seven
Its just Hulk smash this and Hulk smash that. It needs and should be alot more.


I'd hold your horses on that one. Ang lee's directing. I'm sure it will be more than just eye-candy ;)


Is it just me, or does the Hulk's right thigh collapse in the 'super-fast' sprinting in the dessert shots? :shrug:

I've still got high hopes for this. When I picture what it will look like on a big theatre screen , I don't think it will look so cartoony! :thumbsup:

[Seven]

Trust me, I really hope im wrong

[anobrin]

Originally posted by malcolmvexxed
sorry i had to respond to this. There was gollum, which was great, but there was also some veeery average cg work in that movie. and some of the compositing like when the big tree things were walking with the hobbits was just plain bad

Dont be "sorry" just READ
my post before reacting to it,:cool:
i specifically mention the CG on Golem in TTT.
The walking trees were "sesame streetish"
and the battle scene with the wolf-bear creatures
had some of the worst composites since the closing scene
of starwars episode1

IM a big Marvel fan from the mid 1970's
the Hulk looks good standing still but just doesnt hold up
while moving especily in outdoor lighting( i hope this trailor isnt finals)

BTW while im on the subject of Marvel comic movies:
I thought Willem Defo was the only actor on the planet who looked
amost exactly like the green goblin on his own.
with makeup and good prosthetics he would have been perfect!!
but some genious decided to fit him with a cheap plastic halloween mask
right out of "the mighty Morphing power rangers" costume dept.
:rolleyes:
It Sucked!!!!

But getting back to hulk
I predict much laughter from the audience
in scenes where humor was not intended.

But I will still see the movie though:buttrock:

[Wi_2]

looks like there finaly will be a superhero movie that doesn't want 2 be realistic
like it shouldn't be

waiting 2 see this one

thnx for the trailer link:)

[dg3d]

thanks for the link, and its looking great!

Oh yeah a block buster movie :bounce:

[slaughters]

Can't download right now, but the Hulk image on the video download page makes me want to ask the question, "Are Hulks finger prints the same as Bruce Banners?" :)

[mbaldwin]

I want to like it. I reeeeely do. but the big green guy is moving much too fast--too cartoony(might as well have Grape Ape starring as the lead). I would slo mo it a bit more. It's the same problem Steve Austin/Lee Majors had in the seventies: Something with mass moving too fast looks comical. That's why they did a lot of slow motion stuff.

At least the Hulk isn't falling off buildings in reverse to get his jump effects.

[CG.p]

Originally posted by iBlue
anyone else notice the large head in the clip?

http://www.elementaleye.com/temp.jpg


Yeah, it look more realistic than something with hands bigger than his head. :)

If they went for the drawing you have (which was someone's revamp, it happens) people that aren't aware of the 1990-2003 changes to the style, would be asking why he looks funny.

[CG.p]

Originally posted by Celshader
No doubt, but Return of the King should give Matrix Reloaded a run for its money! :applause:

Are you implying Matrix:revolutions will crush RotK? :)

[LiveFlash]

I'm sorry guys, but that just looks like a joke to me! :shrug:

I cant help it, my friends and I couldn't stop laughing ay how silly it looked! :eek:

This is one I won't be watching :thumbsdow

[eh]

i agree with the previous comment on how this movie shouldnt be about looking realistic. The more they try to push the boundries on todays technology the more it becomes linked with the date therefore never having a chance to become a legend in movie history, they have to stay true to the story and ambiance of the movie. And with that scene in the lab where he looks superpissed man I watched that over and over again, i loved the motion

[eh]

oh yah and wtf is with that funky assed dog, do slow mo neer the action sequence of the trailer you'll see it. it looks like the Incredible Bitch

[Web Guy]

Scooby Doo all over again!.......It looks to animated or cartoony...

[psumo]

hahaha

I love it when he runs and takes off flying.
never seen hulk do that before

better cg than the matrix I think

I thought this one would be crap but the trailer
has gotten me very interested in the movie

[SheepFactory]

Originally posted by psumo
hahaha

I love it when he runs and takes off flying.
never seen hulk do that before



He does it all the time in the comics. He can jump long distances

[psumo]

hehe

ya I know he can jump long distances
but it looks like he flies and not a jump at all!

[Steveyola]

Soooooooooo coooooooooool ,I have it on my to go to see list now.:) :thumbsup:

[gnarlycranium]

I still hate how he moves too damn fast. Big lumbering things are more dramatic if they are just that... all this wacky speed wrecks the realism. Bigtime.

Other than that, it seems cool.... though we've yet to solve the mystery of the strategically-intact pants. :p

[CG.p]

Talk to Marvel about that one. From what I've seen on the trailer he looked pretty close the original comic book in most abilities.

I understand what you mean about moviing too fast, but they have always had him hauling ass over the years. He has always jumped huge distances. if you want him to move slower because of the size I would also mention that he should leave a crater when he lands.


I'm not saying you are wrong though, but I'll take whatever kinda of Hulk they give me for the movie.

[Teyon]

Actually, jumping and running are, when last I checked, two very different things. :) He's a fast one though, in short bursts. I've often seen thought balloons in Hulk comics where villain X comments on how something so big could move so fast...it's usually in reference to a punch though. I've never seen anything in his bio or in the comics that would suggest he could out run the Flash...or Quicksilver, as it appears he can in the film. Yet, they are allowed their creative licenses as much as the next guy I guess.

As for leaving craters, that depends on who the artist was when you picked up an appearance of the Hulk. McFarlane, McGuinness, Madureira, they all showed cracks in the ground or earth being flung when he landed somewhere as I recall. It would've been nice if they included that in the film to further emphasize the creature's weight and power.

Like you said though, any Hulk (as long as it doesn't suck) would do!:thumbsup:

[santiago]

this trailer is far better than the previous imho
i dont have any expectations at all for this film, so i might end up more impressed than the matrix... although i doubt it, heh
no no no
i shouldn't compare oranges with apples
the hulk is gonna be cool within its own genre
the matrix has a genre of its own:buttrock:

[santiago]

i actually like the speedy hulk

i remember robocop... man that was slow
spiderman was right on speed
hulk... who cares, he's the hulk:cool:

[eliseu gouveia]

I forgot something.

When I first saw the superbowl trailer, a couple of months back, I started bitching about several details; I bitched about the skin´s shade of green; I bitched about the modeling; I bitched about how I´d have preferred a more bestial Hulk instead of this human one.

All visual details.

Here, for the first time, I´ve heard him.
How could I have neglected such an important part of conveying a character to life?
The sounds.

Watching him move and growl, for the first time, I´ve began to believe that maybe Suspension of Disbelief will manage to pull its magic hat and deliver some surprises this summer, by convincing us that he does exist and really is there, doing all those stunts like a real live monster..

Maybe we DO have a blockbuster after all.;)

E.

P.S.: I´m obviously enthralled by the SFX.
When we boil it all down to the bare essentials, you know what really stuck with me?
Jennifer Connelly and Nick Nolte.
Damn, there was some serious display of solid acting going on in there, can Ang Lee direct or what?

[Larry_g1s]

WOW...I'm mean WOW :eek:
That looks absolutely amazing! I dunno what else to say. I love the raw power the Hulk displays. :drool:

[Tellerve]

dang still nobody has answered my hulkified mastiff question. Ok, so I'll try and respond to some of what's been said. *takes a breath*

About that picture indicating his head was too big, LOL, I agree with the rebuttal that his hands are so much larger than his head. This goes along with some other comments that strike me as silly. Comparisons to Gollum for good or ill. Lesse, they had an accomplished actor to base most of the movement and expressions from. I know what your saying, why in the heck didn't they just hire the 12' muscle bound green guy. I dunno either! I mean jeezz, it would have made it so much more realistic. It isn't like it is easier to suspend disbelief with a humanoid of our stature as apposed to someone absolutely undefinable in our real life.

Lessee, what else, the grey hulk wouldn't have been a good choice for the movie as the hulk is for most of his "life" green and that's what he is all about. Not that I wouldn't have wanted to see a movie about the grey hulk, just that well, it wouldn't of had the grand style that a green hulk could have. Bouncer in vegas? I mean, ok, just not as thematically interesting in a hollywood venue as him battling commanche helicopters and m1a1 tanks.

As for Matrix and it being better or what not, who cares! It really is amazing that we, including me, as people get so worked up about these kinda things. I'm going to enjoy this summer's blockbusters...and heck yeah, let's start gang wars outside the theatres. We could have people in black trenchcoasts fighting people with torn blue jeans fighting people with cloaks! Ohh the humanity... Ahh well I hope the humor is not lost on most of you.

I don't recall who said it in one of the posts of this thread, but it went something like, "people thinking Matrix can cure cancer." I'm thinking I might want that for my sig as it just makes me smile.

Ok, hopefully everyone's cackles aren't all bristly and I won't get flamed too bad but I'm sure I'll get toasted nonetheless.

Tellerve

p.s. I'm not a huge comic collector, read friends and have a few. Anyways, one of the few I have the Hulk would jump like 30 miles I think or maybe 3...whatever it was huge. The comic had him showing up in radar as a intermitant blip. :D

p.p.s. It was on page 3 with Joe2003 who had the witty remark, cheers Joe! :beer:

[AJE]

Originally posted by Tellerve
"people thinking Matrix can cure cancer."
Tellerve

IT CAN'T? Damn.
Better stop smoking...

[gnarlycranium]

Originally posted by CG.p
I understand what you mean about moviing too fast, but they have always had him hauling ass over the years. He has always jumped huge distances. if you want him to move slower because of the size I would also mention that he should leave a crater when he lands.

I'm not talking about running or jumping, I mean basic things like gestures.... like when he hops up out of that tube full of water screaming and tosses his arms. Looks cartoony. That and the stoopid tank-throwing. The jumping wasn't so bad. And you're definitely right about the crater thing-- he should leave big gashes in the ground when he picks things up or shoves things, or jumps.

[Larry_g1s]

Originally posted by Gnarly Cranium
I'm not talking about running or jumping, I mean basic things like gestures.... like when he hops up out of that tube full of water screaming and tosses his arms. Looks cartoony. That and the stoopid tank-throwing. The jumping wasn't so bad. And you're definitely right about the crater thing-- he should leave big gashes in the ground when he picks things up or shoves things, or jumps.

No offense, BUT IT'S A COMIC STYTLE MOVIE. Of course it's not going to look real-real. The things done in comics wouldn't be real.

Man, I loved that part full of water, he screams and tosses his arms...POWER. What I love about Spider-man, and from the looks of the Hulk, is that they are taking these comics style / cartoony things (that up till now could only be done in comics/cartoons), and able to do them in a "real" life atmosphere (i.e CG) and make them look like the comics still. It's amazing. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by santiago
i actually like the speedy hulk

Me too! :applause:

[mbaldwin]

it's a fine line between comic and comical. For me, they cross the line in some of the scenes depicted.

[jah]

o m f g

simply beautiful

[Capel]

This Message is for Joe2003. First of all, i'm going to assume that you are an avid Star Wars fan. I am too, but not of the new ones. It seems like you're under the belief that ILM can do no wrong because they did the effects for Episode I and II. But the truth is, that effects don't make the movie. The new Star Wars films, (if you could call them that) are perfect examples of that. Neat effects, sure. But i'd rather have payed fifty cents to watch the Yoda fight and then gone home. Those movies are CRAP. I love the old ones, and always will. And i don't understand how you can actually think that it would be harder to recreate the Hulk than it would Gollum. They're both motion capture... The real task is animating the facial expressions and emotions. That's where the real character comes out. Gollum has dual personalities and inner struggles that were SO believeable. The Hulk just looks pissed off all the time and breaks stuff. HOW can that be harder to animate? I think you're just a BIG ILM fan. WETA already did a Hulk-like character and make it beleiveable, The Cave Troll. Pretty much the same task. He looks pissed and breaks stuff. ILM doesn't advance CG as much as ESC and WETA, at least not lately. WETA has MASSIVE, and i'm sure you've read about the new technology ESC created to do the 100 Smith's vs. Neo. ILM is phenomenal, but WETA and ESC are right there with them, and in some ways, past them. Just my 2 cents.

[Web Guy]

I agree. Spider Man looked real and this looks HOOKY!!...It looks to comical....

[Capel]

And as for the matrix vs. ROTK, it's a toss up. We'll have to see how the story line pans out. that's really what it's all about. Which is why the Hulk will fail overall as a movie. No in-depth story, really. Lord of the Rings is a timeless classic and the Matrix is only the most creative, original story line to date. That's why they'll succeed.

[gnarlycranium]

Originally posted by Juggernaut
No offense, BUT IT'S A COMIC STYTLE MOVIE. Of course it's not going to look real-real. The things done in comics wouldn't be real.

Sure. Just saying.. it'd give more of a sense of power and drama in the movement if he wasn't flapping his arms like a cartoon. It doesn't look superhuman and comic book-ish, it looks plain silly.

[malducin]

Well first of all, that shot with the flappng arms with the water, that's might favorite shot. I don't see anything cartoony about it. Have you ever seen that kind of motions pro athletes and their fans sometimes make when they score a point or with an unfair call? Many it just looks like that. Sue you may not do it but Ive seen sportsmen and their fans do motions like that and even more ridiculous stuff on TV ;-).

Noww this is moer for Capel. You do realize that most if not all of the Hulk is hand animated right? Not mostly mocaped like Gollum. I'm not saying one is easier than the otherthough, just differerent but the point needs to be clarified. Colin Brady is supervisong animation for The Hulk.

I do agree that the SW movies can be argued both ways, but in the end for purposes of this discussion you can't take into account all. You have only to look at the VFX, after all it's not up to the VFX people to come out or get a good screenplay or affect the direction in signifcant story telling ways. What does it matter if ILM, Weta or others get crap scipts? AFter all they are contractors, and you should only judge them based on their specific work, not if you think a movie has a better story or not.

And as far as ILM not advacing CG that is the most preposterous thing I've heard yet. ILM has the largest R&D dept in the industry. That you don't see their advances is just too bad. Some of the stuff is just invisible or is for improving in giants leaps stuff already established. The skin shader for Gollum was based in research from the Jensen paper and the work ILM on shadow buffers and ambient occlusion presentaed at SIGGRAPH. It was then used on Dobby for Harry Potter 2. The cloth simulator for Ep. 2 was iimproved also for Potter 2 and was further developed to handl;e the ripping cloth in the Hulk. They even presented at SIGGRAPH paper about that last year. Speaking of which they had like 3 or 4 SIGGRAPH paper presentations last year, plus one this year. Just a couple iof years ago they won a couple of Sci-Tech Oscars. They erleased OpenEXR to the community and the list goes on. I'm not saying that ESC or Weta aren;t doing also innovative stuff, tehy are very much (like many other big facilities like Imageworks, DD, etc), but it seems to me that it has become fashionable to bash ILM without any facts and because personal dislikes for the prequels. I guess they are so bad that they must cheat to get stuff made up for Cinefex, CGW and SIGGRAPH. You could take the chaep shot the other way, at least they finish their own movies (which is a cheap shot but just to make a point). It just seems like a fanboy attitude, completely unnecessary. By the same token it seems some people are as guilty of the same thing saying Weta and ESC can do no wrong and that all shots, no matter if there are real issues with them, are perfect. Talk about being fair!!!

Last this stuff of The Matrix vs LOTR vs everything else is just plain ridiculous. It's just a big online fanboyish who-has-the -large-stick fight. Some will prefer one over the other but I don't see the point of bashing outside you perceived "best".

[anobrin]

Originally posted by malducin


Last this stuff of The Matrix vs LOTR vs everything else is just plain ridiculous. It's just a big online fanboyish who-has-the -large-stick fight. Some will prefer one over the other but I don't see the point of bashing outside you perceived "best".

Amen :applause:

[Teyon]

Maladucin, it may have been an athelete thing to do but it's not a very "Hulk" thing to do. They should have done something more along the lines of a Lou (and forgive me, but I'm going to mis-spell this horribly) Ferigno roar. You know, the classic body builder chest flex that he included in every single episode of the Hulk? That would've been perfect for that scene...instead we get something that in my eyes came off more like a toddler having a temper tantrum.

What I would've liked, and this will forever mark me as a "bad man...a very bad man" is to be scared spitless of this guy. That's the reaction every bystander has in the comics, despite how many Supes fly over their city on a given day. That's the same reaction my sister had when she first saw the Hulk as a child on TV. She ran screaming into the bathroom. Today, she'll sit down and watch old re-runs of it with a sort of strange smile on her face. It's this essence of the character that seems to be missing for me in some of the shots, the "I'm afraid of him but at the same time he seems like he wants a friend" that the old TV show gave us. The same theme that was prevelant in most of the comics. Sure, alot of it will be carried out in story, and I'm all for that, but I just wish they got more of that into the model and it's actions. Like I said though, I'm a fan of the character and of comics in general. We need this movie to do well and I'm going to support it so more indies like Hellboy can be made into big screen dramas.

[GRMac13]

Originally posted by Teyon
We need this movie to do well and I'm going to support it so more indies like Hellboy can be made into big screen dramas.

Wish granted. :p

HELLBOY (http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/hellboy/hellsite/)

[ilac]

Originally posted by Teyon
...instead we get something that in my eyes came off more like a toddler having a temper tantrum.

That's what I thought too, and from a hulk perspective its perfect (at least imo) - which is why I really liked it! The original green hulk is childish and naive in nature and it is rage that turns him into the hulk. A child experienceing rage = tantrum!
:)

[Teyon]

In the immortal words of Pinky (from "Pinky and the Brain"):

"hmmm...Point. NARF!"

:)

[Joe2003]

Couple of points.

This Message is for Joe2003. First of all, i'm going to assume that you are an avid Star Wars fan. I am too, but not of the new ones. It seems like you're under the belief that ILM can do no wrong because they did the effects for Episode I and II. But the truth is, that effects don't make the movie. The new Star Wars films, (if you could call them that) are perfect examples of that. Neat effects, sure. But i'd rather have payed fifty cents to watch the Yoda fight and then gone home. Those movies are CRAP. I love the old ones, and always will. And i don't understand how you can actually think that it would be harder to recreate the Hulk than it would Gollum.

Well, that's your opinion. I think TPM is decent and AOTC is a good film. But I'm not going to debate the merits of the film for the umpteenth time. Everyone has their opinions. I think FOTR is the most boring, monotonous film. Everyone has an opinion, and we know what is often said about them. But this is CGTalk. The effects are phenomenal, even though Lucas tends to overuse them. That much isn't in doubt. If they weren't, they wouldn't have received a nomination in practically every VES award category there is.

And i don't understand how you can actually think that it would be harder to recreate the Hulk than it would Gollum. They're both motion capture... The real task is animating the facial expressions and emotions. That's where the real character comes out. Gollum has dual personalities and inner struggles that were SO believeable. The Hulk just looks pissed off all the time and breaks stuff. HOW can that be harder to animate?

No disrespect, but you don't know much about VFX if you think that.

First of all. Gollum is a small character with natural colored skin. He has to be seamless in a fantasy world. The Hulk is a 10 foot tall musclebound creature with human feature, that has to fit in a real world setting, unlike Gollum. Not only that, he has to interact with people almost half his size. The worst part of this is that his skin is green. Making green skin look real is one hell of a lot more difficult than making natural skin look real. All of this adds up to a task far more difficult than Gollum, no disrespect to the great work done by WETA.

As for Hulk doing nothing more than smashing things, that goes to show that you don't know anything about this character. The Hulk character is an extremely deep character, one of the deepest among all of the comic book characters. He is a tortured character, with inner demons. He will have many personal scenes with Betty Ross where he not only has to be seamless, but he has to act with facial expressions. That's a damn sight more than smashing a bunch of crap.

The Hulk is not even finished and he already looks phenomenal. He looks as real as a character like him is going to look. I hate to tell you this, while Gollum was great CGI, he was never photoreal either. The technology has not come that far yet.


I think you're just a BIG ILM fan. WETA already did a Hulk-like character and make it beleiveable, The Cave Troll. Pretty much the same task. He looks pissed and breaks stuff.

:rolleyes: Please! The Hulk and the Cave Troll are not even remotely comparable. The only thing they have in common is they are both big. Try again. And yes, I'm a huge fan of ILM because they are the best. But that doesn't mean they're perfect, nor does it mean other effects houses can't do great work. You sound like a big Matrix and LOTR fan too. So what.

ILM doesn't advance CG as much as ESC and WETA, at least not lately. WETA has MASSIVE, and i'm sure you've read about the new technology ESC created to do the 100 Smith's vs. Neo. ILM is phenomenal, but WETA and ESC are right there with them, and in some ways, past them. Just my 2 cents.

LOL! ILM was doing groundbreaking effects work 15 years before anyone even knew who ESC and WETA were. They've done more groundbreaking effects work than ESC and WETA combined. ILM has won far more Oscars than ESC and WETA combined. And yes, I know of massive and ESC's hyped up stuff. I know ILM has also won many more technical Oscars for creating highly advanced programs and techniques than either of them have won. You act like they're the only ones that have created new software.

By the way, for those of you complaining about the tank shot with him waving his arms, that's a phenomenal shot. It's called rage and anger. Does anyone here know anything about the actual comic book character? That is the Hulk personified.

http://www.hulkmovie.com/vb/attachment.php?postid=12617
http://www.hulkmovie.com/vb/attachment.php?postid=12504
http://www.hulkmovie.com/vb/attachment.php?postid=12369

Looks phenomenal to me.

[AJE]

Thanks for those links...

One thing that I did notice in the second one is the amount of subtle muscle morphs for his expressions... it seems pretty indepth. It looks like they spent quite a while on the close up stuff making tendons and muscles "work", while the longer shots look like they relaxed a bit on the finer details (and naturally so).

While I don't think I'm gonna like the film, I definitely have respect for the CG in it, especially after seeing the middle shot there.


Cheers,
AJE

[Capel]

Joe2003, i expected something better than that... The hulk will be harder to recreate cuz he has GREEN SKIN? Did i read that right? Ummmmm, i'm no cg expert, but i still have to disagree. And i don't think the craze about gollum was so much for his "photorealism", but for his believablility as a real, living being. Up until Gollum, all we had was Yoda, (who really had just one emotion), and Jar Jar. (need I say more) Gollum talked and emoted with REAL emotion. That's what spawned all the rumors and talk about nominating him as best supporting actor. The Hulk can blend in 150 percent with his surroundings for all i care, but he isn't funny, or serious, or sad. He's just pissed off all the time. You can only take so much of that. And maybe you read over the end of one of my sentences, ILM hasn't advanced effects very much LATELY. OF COURSE THEY STARTED IT ALL AND WON ALL KINDS OF AWARDS! Everyone knows that. They're amazing, i'm not arguing that. I'm just saying that LATELY is seems like other production houses are stepping up and showing them how it's done, which is cool, in my opinion. Cripes, maybe my vision of ILM has just been tainted by the two worst films i've seen since Jeepers Creepers, Star Wars: EPISODE I and II.

[Capel]

Oh, and The Cave Troll and The Hulk ARE quite different. One breaks stuff with a club and the other breaks stuff with his hands. My bad.

[malducin]

Well there is one difference between the cave Troll and the Hulk. The Hulk has basicly to carry the whole movie while the cave troll was just an incidental creature.

Second if you can't separate the characterization or script from the actual VFX, tis a shame. I mean after all is it ILM's fault for the lines and what stuff Jar Jar had to do? In any case blame the directors and screenwriters. If not then films like Armageddon would have the worst FX because the story and the VFX weren't scripted good.

If you are gonna jugde Gollum and compare it to other CG characters do it on the base of itself as an VFX. What if Gollum had had terrible lines, and infantile poo humor? Would that make it a bad effect? Of course not. The great animation, rendering and compositing can be set apart regardless if the performance was good or not. And frankly I tought the talk about nominating him for an Oscar was mostly hogwash.

Heck most people sem to forget the precedents. I think even McCallum himself said the Yoda was the first ever digital actor, but forgetting not only the stuff from Ep. 1, buit also things like Dragonheart, Small Soldiers, Mars Attacks! and other.

Nobody saying that ESC, Weta and others aren't as innovating and acomplished as ILM, but saying ILM is not innovative is hiogwash too. It just reeks of the current climate of ILM bashing. Perhaps you overlooked my previous posts about stuff ILM is innovating right now, from their cloth and fluid simulators, to stuff used at other studios like OpenEXR, ambient occlusion and subsurface scattering. Or the fact that they are presenting research projects at SIGGRAPH, are recognized by important publications like Cinefex, CGW, and American Cinematographer, and the list go on. If yoyu have issues about the whole movie blame the studios, producers, directors, and screenwriters, but don't transfer your disgust over them to the VFX or because of not being able to discern the stuff behind the scenes.

[AJE]

IMHO

When I see things like Jar-Jar "skating" as he runs towards the Jedi in TPM, I see it as a neglected shot, not as bad VFX for the whole film... and it doesn't mean that ILM doesn't or can't do great VFX, it means that that shot could have been better.

ILM is getting slammed lately because of their ties to the Star Wars franchise. Their last few films have been overshadowed by the majority of people being disappointed with TPM and AOTC's acting/storylines, not VFX.
It's unfortunate that ILM seems to be synonymous with Star Wars. Star Wars made ILM, now Star Wars is hurting ILM.

It's all perception. ILM's R&D department is phenomenal, however, the public doesn't get to see this... all the general public sees is a new shader, better muscle sub-systems, etc... onscreen in the final product. The thing is, most of these developments are done for the artists, to make their job easier/quicker and give the same results. You can make a crowd with or without programs like 'Massive'(and yes, I am aware that's a WETA app), or doing facial animation using 'Cari' as opposed to a more primitive method. The end result will look the same to the end viewer, but the amount of time it takes to generate that scene is greatly reduced.

Whatever the case, ILM is getting kind of unjustly dumped on lately because the Star Wars franchise is starting to crumble (which is mostly story/acting issues), the R&D advances are mostly behind the scenes improvements (the audience isn't gonna give a damn about OpenEXR), and younger studios coming up with comparable end results.

For so long, they were in a class by themselves. Now, there's a half dozen other studios that can deliver the goods. We used to be able to say just by looking at a shot if ILM was involved... now, I don't know about you, but I have to ask. And that's not a sleight on ILM, that's props to the new crews.

I think ILM has done a great job over the years and they deserve the respect for the great work they have done/continue to do.
I also think that while companies like WETA and others are now capable of producing a similar level of high calibre work, we have to remember that much of the software they get to use was in part developed by the folks at ILM.

The end result is great VFX for me to watch and try to emulate!

Cheers,
AJE

PS sorry for the long post...
:shrug:

[Kenter]

AJE------------Bravo :applause: :beer:

Hulk looks fun.:thumbsup: :beer:

[Airflow]

Ill keep this short.....
The rage shot, works fine, I dont know about you, but I have seen this kind of reaction in sport, and I think its more dynamic, and says alot more about the underlying savagery of the hulk than some drawn out gut bellow...

Digital yoda is based and animated to tie in with the motions of a puppet predesessor....... cant understand why so many people try to compare gollum with digiyoda???? it was deliberate.. so that he would be accepted by fans of the original sw films.
Ilm rule, thats all there is to it, count how many films they do compared to weta or any other major fx house.......
Dont tarnish Ilm with bad script work...
and.. The Hulk will kick ass.

[rich novak]

am i reading this right or are people actually forming opinions about the story *based on a trailer*? LMFAO!!!

the very very first incarnation of the hulk was gray hulk. it was right after the blast and he soon changed to green. he's been gray a few other times, like when he was a bouncer mentioned above, named joe fixit.

as far as big guys lumbering, if you've ever seen a real live pro football player, those guys kick out the jams! they can really move, thanks to all those muscles.

all i can say is, don't be so critical. there's not a movie in the history of cgi that you can't pick out a handfull of flaws. the real test is, can it make you forget you're watching a movie? a cgi movie no less? if you go in looking for flaws, you're bound to find some. if you go there to get your 10 bucks worth of hulk (and 15 bucks worth of small soda and popcorn) and go there to have FUN, then you surely will.

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