Zulu Tribe

[mwkmn]

hmm...the problem would be eyes.

Perhaps you could practice some more to make the eyes look realistic.

I remember seeing such tutorial, even though I don't remember where it was :p

Good luck!

[The_Dreamer]

DO YOU MEAN THE ARE AROUND THE EYES OR THE EYE TEXTURE?

[leigh]

No offense, but his head appears to be on backwards :surprised

You need to work on your anatomical skills a lot more - the head is a strange shape and from what I can see of the body, you need to do a lot of work on that as well.

Also, the decorations that you have chosen (earrings, necklace, headband, etc) are not really at all Zulu-like. I was born in Zululand, so I obviously am very familiar with them, and so I know that they tend to adorn themselves more with animal skins and ostrich feathers, and the like.

Zulu men, as far as I know, do not pierce their ears in that fashion either. In fact, I think that only the women pierce their ears, but it is a slightly different method of piercing - they actually stretch the lobes out. Also, Zulus do not pierce their noses as you have done.

[loked]

Yeah, Im from Zululand too and Zulu's definitely dont wear so much jewelery. In their traditional time, most of the things were made from animal skin, wood or stones.

They basically wear a cows skin around the waist area and the 2 things that are imperative is a cow skin shield and a spear. The spears they use, usually is a stick with a small arrow type spear on the end. Its not a long blade type like the one you have. They also wear these furry type things around their feet, so when they are dancing, they stomp the ground and it gives some cool effect to the dance. I think your best bet is to just search on google for images of Zulus or you can come here and you'll see plenty:)

Good Luck and I think its a cool idea that you making a Zulu!!
Later

loked

[karabo]

I hate sh!t like this, you have absolutely no idea of what a Zulu looks like and you have the nerve to call this mockery a Zulu. Where the hell do you get off doing that? You make a black person with a spear and piercings and it's supposed to be a Zulu. My grandmother was Zulu and I take great offense to your image. You have not even tried to research to see what Zulus really look like, you just make a stereotypical "African" and have the nerve to label it as a Zulu. I despise such ignorance. What the hell is that thing in the nose anyway? Why didn't you just insult us properly and put a bone in his nose instead? Where the hell have you ever seen a Zulu with a pierced nose like that? In fact, where have you ever seen a Zulu with any of the jewelery that you have put on this guy? This looks more like a Masaai. What the hell is that thing on his head? Where is his hair? Zulu spears don't look like that, they use a short spear called an Asegai which is not meant for throwing but for stabbing. It has a short shaft and a long wide head. You forgot his sheild. And what in the name of all that's holy are those markings on his head? Tatoos? Jesus Christ. You need to wake the hell up and do some actual research.
Honestly, what kind of 3D artist doesn't research the subject they are trying to model? You can't just start modeling anything with not even the slightest clue of what it's supposed to look like because then you end up with garbage like what you have posted here.
Just for future reference, there are many different tribes in Africa and they look very different from each other. The problem with people like you is that you see one tribe and then you assume all African tribes look like that. Just plain ignorance. Next time do your damn research and stop producing crap like this.

[The_Dreamer]

10x for the comments. i named it zulu because that was the first name i come up with of a tribe and i didn't mean to insult anyone.
any way i am going to do some research so lighten up, don't try find raceizem in every thing in life.
this is a WIP and so i request for other peoples help for ideas and thoughts. next time KARABO try to help insted of attack.

[loked]

Yeah, I agree. :wip: You were kinda harsh karabo. I understand your argument, but if someone was making an egyptian and it never really looked that way, you'd simply just correct them. There was no racist intentions here.

Thats the point of this forum to help people achieve better work and improve on their mistakes.

Anyhow, good luck with the research and feel free to ask any questions!!

Later!

loked

[bonko]

Besides any racial comments the head needs to be adjusted in its placement to the shoulders/chest. To me, expecially with the gold neck loops, it looks like the head is on backwards. That might actually be an interesting slant to pursue this model with, though I'm sure that's not you're intention. It almost looks like the neck loops are some retro-scifi neck appliance which allows the head to be plugged it to anything.

Racial issues and anatomical questions aside I like the effort your placed into this model. Don't be bothered by what others have to say. Take what you can learn from and grow from. The easiest way to assist in anatomy woes(which this board seems to be particularly sticky about) is to get some good reference, I'd suggest Andrew Loomis but you might have better ideas.

Keep up the good work! And everybody else keep up the good comments!! Cheers =-) ! !

[The_Dreamer]

" I'd suggest Andrew Loomis but you might have better ideas. "
who is andrew loomis?

[The_Dreamer]

Here is after using a refrence still in progress and the hair isn't finished.
http://www.goldmanland.com/pic/zulu8.jpg

[Cole]

well the face looks much better than the previous one, however he still looks like his head is on the body backwards, he's cross eyed and the eye textures need alot of work

[demo38]

His face appears a bit caved in, like a baseball bat had come into play...

shoulders do need definition to work...

[jayjun]

Is it me or this guy is trying to stare at his own piercings?

Btw, that's nice hair. But you really need to refine your model more. :beer:

[leigh]

Keep your updates in the SAME thread please.

You still need to get rid of the nose ring, as myself and a few others have mentioned, Zulus do not pierce themselves in that way.

The head still looks like it is on backwards.

Oh, and I think that the hair is a little too long for a Zulu as well - they tend to shave their heads almost bald.

On another note, you should really ignore things like texturing for now, and focus on your actual model, because the model needs a lot of work ;)

[loked]

I agree with Leigh 100%. As you saw earlier, some people take offense when you call him a Zulu and dont make him look like one. Zulu's did not wear any gold jewellery of any sort. Oh yeah and they never had "Black like me" hair spray, so they could'nt hook up a Julius Erving fro either:) Here is an image of a Zulu:

http://www.africanoffroadtours.com/images/zulu.jpg


http://www.shakaland.com/images/zulu.jpg

loked

[leigh]

Oh yeah, I should have mentioned, they wear LOADS of beads - Zulus are amazing beadworkers - the women are famous for their intricate beadwork.

Here are some more pics:

http://www.actionafrica.com/more-pics/warrior.jpg

http://old.smh.com.au/news/0105/13/graphics/13featzulu.jpg

http://www.elephanttales.com/images/Pic_Zulu_Warrior.jpg

This one has rather unusual hair:

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/hutchinson/images/4145n009.jpg


And here is a pic of a kraal. A kraal is a Zulu village :)

http://www.reisefotos.net/suedafrika/za97-41.jpg

[loked]

Nobody does it better than South Africans:thumbsup:
http://www.scouting.org.za/visitors/flag.gif

Oh yeah, Leigh I posted those close ups of my character if you still wanna check them out.

Later

[The_Dreamer]

everyone see that the head is some kind of backwards- can u explain?:shrug:
the jewelry is a thing that i add and about the hair i your right.
i'll make it shorter but not all of them shave their head at least not on my refrence.
thanx for the pictures- i got some my self but the more the marryer:airguitar:

[jayjun]

Head is backward meaning 180 degrees. Hmm, so hard to explain sometimes ... look at the pic :)

[reaver]

I think you need to go back to the drawing board with this one mate.

Your grasp of anatomy is quite frankly poor.
Look at it closely then look at a REAL person and I'm sure you'll be able to work out whats wrong with it.

Apart from the blatant stereotypes, the man has no neck, no chest. It looks like a bagder has crawled onto his head and set up shop. Sheesh man surely YOU can see this.
Why do we need to point this out to you????

I spent a year travelling across Africa and I never saw anyone that looked anything like that.

I'm with Karebo, we should get pissed off when people post crap like this. If he can't even be bothered to do even the most basic research why should we help him out. Its just plain lazy.

There are plenty of human antomy reference sites www.fineart.sk is just one of many. There really is no excuse for getting the anatomy so wrong and I'm sure you can find Zulu references that will help your model to be more realistic and less offensive.

I think the moral of the story is do your homework, if you can't see whats wrong with that model, you're in the wrong game.


TTFN.

[The_Dreamer]

I think that beacuse of the angle it looks like that- i did pu a chest and the color bone (sorry for the misspel).
about the neck i will improve it- 10x

[Werner]

Originally posted by loked
"... Oh yeah and they never had "Black like me" hair spray, so they could'nt hook up a Julius Erving fro either:)"


lol, our gardener used to love that stuff! :applause:

[loked]

Hey Werner,

I kinda figured only South Africans would get that one :beer:

Where in Joburg are you based?? What company are you working for?


Later

loked

[Werner]

Originally posted by loked
Hey Werner,

I kinda figured only South Africans would get that one :beer:

Where in Joburg are you based?? What company are you working for?


Later

loked

Check your private messages.

[The_Dreamer]

here is another update- i fixed some of the anatomy problems,
to bad the cape hide it:thumbsup:
anyway-coca cola enjoy
http://www.goldmanland.com/pic/zulu10.jpg

[karabo]

Originally posted by reaver
I think you need to go back to the drawing board with this one mate.

Your grasp of anatomy is quite frankly poor.
Look at it closely then look at a REAL person and I'm sure you'll be able to work out whats wrong with it.

Apart from the blatant stereotypes, the man has no neck, no chest. It looks like a bagder has crawled onto his head and set up shop. Sheesh man surely YOU can see this.
Why do we need to point this out to you????

I spent a year travelling across Africa and I never saw anyone that looked anything like that.

I'm with Karabo, we should get pissed off when people post crap like this. If he can't even be bothered to do even the most basic research why should we help him out. Its just plain lazy.

There are plenty of human antomy reference sites www.fineart.sk is just one of many. There really is no excuse for getting the anatomy so wrong and I'm sure you can find Zulu references that will help your model to be more realistic and less offensive.

I think the moral of the story is do your homework, if you can't see whats wrong with that model, you're in the wrong game.


TTFN.

Praise the lord for Reaver. Tell it like is Reaver old boy! This is higly insulting and people don't seem to see that. People accuse me of being too harsh but it's easy for them to say since they are not the ones being blatantly insulted.
This is all a matter of common sense, if you are going to model something, the first thing you should do is find reference material and not just model anything that comes into your head and then labeling it something that it isn't. That's like modeling any generic car and then calling it a BMW when BMW doesn't make any car like that. Same thing with the anatomy, he should have looked up references of human anatomy before starting this thing. Then there is the issue of the jerry curl that he has put on his "Zulu", once again, a simple loot at some references would have showed him what kind of hairstyles the Zulus really have. And what is with that thing through his nose? You will never find a Zulu with that in his nose. I mean for crying out loud!
With that said, I don't think that Dreamer was deliberately trying to insult or piss anyone off, I think this is just a matter of not researching before beginning the model.
Dreamer: I was pretty harsh earlier but I think I was justified in doing that because what you did really insulted me so I will not appologize for that. I know you hadn't set out to insult anyone but the fact is that you did. Next time, just do your research and you will be fine. People have given you some great reference pics on this thread and I suggest you use them.

[bonko]

Hey Dreamer, don't lose heart. Basically I would retire this particularly model and move on. Go to that fineart link somebody posted earlier in this thread and grab some good front and side views of a body. Then model off of that. Don't even worry about details. Just get proportions correct and then move on one foot at a time, then post something great!! BTW why not model yourself. Get your hands on a digital camera or even a mirror and observe the measurements of your own face/body, whatever.
Pick yourself off your feet and start modeling something new.
BTW Andrew Loomis was an illustrator originally from the lovely state of Ohio who wrote these really great instructional anatomy books. Might I also suggest attending figure drawing sessions? Cheers!!!

[The_Dreamer]

all i want to say is this: so i'm not the greatest modeler in the world (and quite far from it)- that means that i think zulu men looks like that?
i admit i shouldn't have written zulu- with out looking it up first but come on man- this is a model that i'm working on and that's why i asked for help from this forum.
it suppose to be a proffesional forum that is why i posted it here.

any way
the body was made with out working on it. i'm more concentrating on the head- any tips about the head are welcome:bounce: :airguitar

[bonko]

I understand. Some people are more sensitive than others.

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