Underworld Trailer

[Chappo]

It's "The Crow" with boobs :D

Nice trailer - very dark, nice camera work > i like it !

[blindsleeper]

looks cool and ill prolly go see it but looks like they made a cross of blade and the matrix

[Daveaustin]

SWEEEET !!!

blindsleeper... you can't miss out the blend of XMEN as well... mix those three films together an you got this!!!

if it says it'll be out in the fall in the states... that means that we're gonna have to wait a while longer til it makes it over the big pond to the UK?! at least it's not bein released at the same time as xmen2 an matrix reloaded! otherwise it wouldn't stand a chance!

[robin]

Guys guys come down, this movie is over matrixed, its an easy way to make profits

a few good FX, and trench coat, 2 or 3 Jumps in the air and thats it, you got a scenario... wich side will you choose, Wait the night of the livingdeads meets Friends Rotf:beer:

im not saying thats its not good, but its possibly easily assembled

however thanks for the link Sheep Factory

[iBlue]

DOOD!

This looks sweet! :bounce:

[JDex]

Is this the film that Rob Zombie is an Exec Producer on? I heard something on the radio about him producing a flic... but the website doesn't say (or at least I didn't notice it)

P.S. on the off chance that someone isn't familiar with Rob Zombie (originally from White Zombie) do a google, you can find some crazy stuff about this cat.

[Nlafakis]

Look, now that movies have finally gotten the effects to be sort of a standard. Its nice to see a lot of comic book style movies come out. And just like comics, most characters and stories will be like others. I'm very picky when it comes to movies, especially story and background of characters. This one looks to be ok, but I see a few marvel-esk type characters in it. I don't see too much matrix stuff going on, so I disagree with that. Its more slow motion than bullet time. I think this movie will be ok, but I'm not going to set a bar for it, cause I think i'd be let down.

[nilslerin]

OMG, What a Matrix look-alike. Even in the details, just look at the address to the website, EnterTheUnderworld.com. Could be a rip-off, or just a coincidence

[tsuru]

Not even the Crow.... this is just a female Blade... just substitute werewolves in for vampires... then add some kissy face action and there you go.

[robin]

Its not Bad, its the scenario that im affraid of :rolleyes:

[Brettzies]

i love her. looks like matrix meets blades and the crow with a female. all that leather and goth, still i like it.

[SheepFactory]

"OMG, What a Matrix look-alike. Even in the details, just look at the address to the website, EnterTheUnderworld.com. Could be a rip-off, or just a coincidence"



Lets stop it with the "what a matrix rip off" please.

:rolleyes:

[Omto]

The Rob Zombie movie is House of 1000 corpses....and it sucked...

[aYs]

i hate Matrix and i hate Blade an i also might hate a mix of both

don't know but it seems to be a boring "kiddy" movie

[nilslerin]

well, sorry. but you've got to admit that it looks alot like the matrix. The story hasn't very much in common, but the directing and art-style. Even soo, it looks pretty cool and it sure has alot of cool effects.

[j00st81]

it doesn't really look refreshing or new at all, wonder why its plugged...:shrug:

very matrix/daredevil/thecrow/blade-ish

[secretasianman]

hey don't mix daredevil anywhere in this, not cool.
why say that every movie took off of matrix.
matrix took of of other movies the only thing that matrix did off of the time is do it better.
every movie out there has a little of every other movie so you cant say it hasn't been done.
the biggest prob is that people are fanboys of certain things and that is all they will ever see in something else.
take every movie for face value, becasue what they are there to do is entertain.
so before you judge it might be different a little different than what you think.
oh yea the underworld thing, was done way before matrix so get off that kick, hell crappy sarary b movies of the 70 had "the underworld" in alot of them.

[JDex]

House of 1000 corpses... just watched trailer... p-u stinky...

[Leonard]

LOL! It's Blade with boobs!

I hereby award Kate Beckinsale the CG Chick award.

http://romanticmovies.about.com/library/graphics/underworldpubb.jpg

L.

[malcolmvexxed]

Lol I always have to defend Matrix against people who say it was derivative. at least it took it's influences and made something new as opposed to .... whatever this is. Hopefully it will at least have the equilibrium factor where it has enough good action scenes to justify seeing it.

[JamesDeschenes]

This movie is just Romeo and Juliet.. but instead of the capulets and montegues (ignore my spelling) it's just Vampires and Werewolves..

I won't be going to see it.

[blindsleeper]

Originally posted by Daveaustin
SWEEEET !!!

blindsleeper... you can't miss out the blend of XMEN as well... mix those three films together an you got this!!!


very true... missed that one thx dave

[blindsleeper]

Originally posted by secretasianman
why say that every movie took off of matrix.
matrix took of of other movies the only thing that matrix did off of the time is do it better.


very true but look at the stairwell... it looks like the exact same one that was used in the hotel in the matrix....

[E_Moelzer]

Hehe very goth, I like!
Concerning Matrix: I think this movie had a lot of influence. I mean how often have we seen timeslice and bullet- time effects since then? Very often. The only thing that I really hate about Matrix was the fact that tthe authors of the script had no idea of the first sentence of termodynamics: Energy cant be created not destroyed. Using humans to create electricity is completely irrational (as you would need much more of it to keep the whole aparatus going). Very stupid that is, people should have learned this in elemental school. Other than that, the movie was a great visual experience.
CU
Elmar

[RobinOberg]

im all for this "sailor moon"-trend where they have young women as fighters, and this one seems to have some nice choreography aswell.
but cant they atleast choose girls with muscles, its so "Buffy" when a girl touches a huge guy and he flies thirteen kilometers.
the "vampire"-demonthingies feels very "blade", with the clothes and stuff.
and the heroine seems like "dark angel" meets "the crow" or something.

well, you cant blame hollywood for not being original :D
atleast i doubt it will be a bad movie, depending on the story ofcourse. :)

[fellipe]

wow looks like........ i saw that shit somewhere else already.. bah

imagination is a powerfull and lucrative thing, specially someone's else, so you can make your movie using already tested ideas. like that Equilibrium or whatever the name was... crap crap. the movie can even be good, but the deja vu fact kills a lot of consideration.

[InnerVortex]

this is a movie that will play some day on tv.. i dont even care.. the traila makes me dont wanna pay to see it.

[RobinOberg]

Originally posted by E_Moelzer
Hehe very goth, I like!
Concerning Matrix: I think this movie had a lot of influence. I mean how often have we seen timeslice and bullet- time effects since then? Very often. The only thing that I really hate about Matrix was the fact that tthe authors of the script had no idea of the first sentence of termodynamics: Energy cant be created not destroyed. Using humans to create electricity is completely irrational (as you would need much more of it to keep the whole aparatus going). Very stupid that is, people should have learned this in elemental school. Other than that, the movie was a great visual experience.
CU
Elmar they used humans to create heat, as energy. because they had ruined the previous source of heat, the sun. machines have a hard time producing heat, since they arent organic. and humans were the only organic things around. its not like the machines would die if the humans werent there, but it seems this AI had an antagonistic feeling against them, not to mention it would make the movie quite dull wouldnt it :D

[freddylierman]

very awesome, I like the visuals, very sweet camera movement.

Kinda like the female Blade.

[AJE]

This is definitely aimed at the crowd of Trinity fans...

Style-wise, it looks like it could a spin-off film to me, you know, like a Matrix where there are ghouls and nasties running rampant? Could be fun if you forget about the Matrix and Blade at the door.

If the budget is under $40mil, they'll make their money back...

[road to hell]

Can I save the trailer in quicktime in my computer?

[aYs]

know what's funny?

matrix is running right now here in germany on tv

[Cured Solace]

The rob zombie movie is called house of a thousand dead, or something like that.

Isn't the main girl the one from the Lord of the Rings?

Looks pretty good, I probably won't go see it, maybe when it comes out I'll rent it.:shrug:

[ThatGuy]

looks pretty good I deffinetly would go see this movie called Bladetrix errrrr....... Underworld :hmm:

[Nikodemus]

well i just watched the trailer.. i have those boots (from what i could see) except they arent high heels :cool: ,,,,
oh right.. i was going to comment on the content... well im kinda surprised you all commenting so heavy on "matrix like".. i can see more blade influence than matrix.... now if you want a matrix ripoff look .. go watch the "bullet proof monk" trialer.... omg.. like helicoptor sequence... and a fight seen with the "matrix : "is that air HMM sound".. and bullet time .. geez.. i refused to see that movie.. i mean that was so blatently matrix rip

anyway.. i dunno.. this movie does have similarities *like the staircase shot* but still i dunno. i prolly wont see it , but it didnt turn me off like ..... dang mattrix rip

[InnerVortex]

aYs

in rtl.. the thing is.. i dont get a thing of german.. but is funneh anyways..

[E_Moelzer]

they used humans to create heat, as energy. because they had ruined the previous source of heat, the sun. machines have a hard time producing heat, since they arent organic. and humans were the only organic things around. its not like the machines would die if the humans werent there, but it seems this AI had an antagonistic feeling against them, not to mention it would make the movie quite dull wouldnt it

Well there are easier methods to produce heat and if I remember correctly(but this might be due to german translation) they used them to produce electricity. Aniway you need to put a lot of energy into a human to get comparably little heat/electricity/whatever out of it. Where does that energy come from? This is paradox, really. It would be better than a perpetuum mobile, which does not work in our universe. I really wished they used a different excuse for them using humans. Mistakes like these really kill a movie for me. Dont get me wrong I still think Matrix was visually one of the best movies in the last few years (and this is why I really enjoyed watching it and I even have the DVD). I also really loved the way they interpreted Platons cave parable.
I just think a movie like that would deserve a better background- story.
CU
Elmar

[Angelus26]

Kate Beckinsale in tight leather is a postive;) but otherwise, like everyone has hit upon it's another generic dark and dingy crow/blade/matrix/daredevil flick, throw in some loud rock music and you're done. Pretty uninspiring on the whole.

[teabgs]

Originally posted by Omto
The Rob Zombie movie is House of 1000 corpses....and it sucked...

What was bad about it?

I figure it'd be pretty bad, but since it's Rob Zombie's I'm gonna go see it anyway.

The idea of a Rob Zombie movie is fascinating.

[AndreKling]

Comon the movie looks cool, I almost could see in the end " based on the White Wolf universe ". Hopefully they gonna keep the dark mood during all the movie.
Andre Kling David

[FBMachine]

Cute girl, though she's not very good at striking heroic poses. I don't really buy that's she's very athletic. Looks pretty cool though. Even if it turns out to be a bit of a B movie, as artists you've gotta enjoy seeing how the quality of visuals are becoming quite impressive even for the crappier cut & paste movies. :buttrock: Just a few years back and this movie would have looked like Army of Darkness ( classic movie, not knocking it ) with bad rubber suits and things being flown around on wires. I might go see this, depending on what else is out at the time its released, we'll see. :)
Dan

[Royal]

I say bleh, that looked like a crappy film.

[mixed]

looks kinda cool tho too much like matrix and blade tho..

[BlueCougar]

E_Moelzer: The human body and nervous system is chemical electric due to the ion concentration across the membranes within and between the nerves. Scientists in the past have actually run a small model train by that latent current with electrodes that were connected to a person. You can do the same with an orange because of its acidity it acts like a battery. That is what the technology is based on and without the sun the only thing that survived were the humans, everything else died. Just my .02

[singularity2006]

dude, that looks sick. and w0w, a h0t kung fu chick! =D that's definitely a first! I have yet to see any good movies where the action chick was actually REALLY GOOD LOOKING. :thumbsup:

[GavinG]

I agree with an earlier post, it's "The Crow" with boobs.

[tenl]

I Personally think it looks pretty good. If you like Blade and you like the matrix, why not give it a chance guys...I mean, it's only 8.50 for a movie ticket.

BTW. Does anyone know the title of the song being used in that trailer. Sound cool!

[TumikSmacker]

If no one can do anything that even remotely looks like Matrix, then maybe The Matrix isn't as Revolutionary to film as we thought in setting a new standard :shrug:

[ASCIISkull]

Originally posted by RobinOberg
they used humans to create heat, as energy. because they had ruined the previous source of heat, the sun. machines have a hard time producing heat, since they arent organic. and humans were the only organic things around.


I liked how they casually mentioned that the machines had fusion power, and used it to supplement their humans...
what a hoot.

Underworld looks neato, and it'll probably be plenty fun as long as it's less tedious than a VtM game...

[gruvsyco]

The settings/scenery looks like it was taken fron The Crow. The cinematography from the Matrix and the story looks like a variation on Blade. If I still had cable, I might look forward to it eventually being on one of the premium channels.

[AJE]

Originally posted by singularity2006
dude, that looks sick. and w0w, a h0t kung fu chick! =D that's definitely a first! I have yet to see any good movies where the action chick was actually REALLY GOOD LOOKING. :thumbsup:

How about the little hottie in Crouching Tiger?

Yum:drool:

[Lunatique]

Why all the talk about it being derivitive? I can name off the top of my head probably more than a dozen political/military Tom Clancy type thrillers like Men of Honor, In Clear and Present Danger, The Sum of All Fears..etc etc, or Heist films like Killing Zoe, Ocean's Eleven, The Score, Ronin, Heat..etc etc.

Dark/gothic/action/sci/horror films are a genre in itself now. They're not any more derivitive than romantic comedy, political thrillers, teary dramas..etc.

[Solishu]

nevermind, link doesn't work.

[KenM]

I'm liking the heavy goth look. It'll be worth the ticket price to see the delicious fashion statements.

[somlor]

Originally posted by ASCIISkull
I liked how they casually mentioned that the machines had fusion power, and used it to supplement their humans...
what a hoot.

Thought you might find this interesting, because I had the same problem with that part of the story. From http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/frame.html?main=/articles/art0553.html
"During the armchair scene, we have what is probably the most criticized element in The Matrix story line. Morpheus claims that the human race is imprisoned in a power station, where human bodies are used as a source of bioelectricity. This is engineering nonsense; it violates the fundamental law of energy conservation. The humans would have to be fed, and the laws of physics demand that the energy consumed as food must be greater than the energy generated by the human body. That Morpheus has misunderstood what is going on is underscored by his mention in the same speech of the machines' discovery of a new form of nuclear fusion. Evidently, the fusion is the real source of energy that the machines use. So what are humans doing in the power plant? Controlled fusion is a subtle and complex process, requiring constant monitoring and micromanaging. The human brain, on the other hand, is a superb parallel computer. Most likely, the machines are harnessing the spare brainpower of the human race as a colossal distributed processor for controlling the nuclear fusion reactions. (Sawyer comes to a similar conclusion elsewhere in this volume—Ed.)"

Sean.

[BoromirNo1]

This trailer kicks ass. :airguitar :buttrock:
The date is getting tattooed on me arm as I type. :p

[ghZaaaRK]

for me, i would say it's more a HK-like movie than matrix, more accessible in fact,
just Hard-TrashMetalRock-TechnoStuff, leather, Dark (to mask compositing's errors? lol), SFX and all people are happy

Maybe a good recreation but that's all and why not?

it just disturbs me to see it in front page of CGtalk, just my feeling that i don't impose obviously :))).

my 0,2cent

bye

[aYs]

the scene where she shoots a hole into the floor is ridiculous

people seem to like the seeing the same idea over and over again

most recent example: the core
the story:
- big problem
- one man (often unemployed) to save the world
- something goes wrong
- big bang
- everyone is happy
- in addition a crappy lovestory

now call the movie armageddon, independence day, deep impact, or the core and there it is
a big hit

i already knew the content of the core-trailer before i saw it
yeah, big surprise

[Bulldog]

Well , those of you who are bitching , go rent a Coen brothers movie. Not every movie has to be intellectually stimulating to be good.

Also whats with the "why is this on the front page?" shit? maybe because of that three letter word. Tip: starts with V ends with X.

some people here seriously amaze me.

[Julez4001]

I can't believe you guys are comparing BLADE, MATRIX...
Though they are all right ..how about this.
The artwork, poster all looks like
BIRDS OF PREY

WB's now defunct Batman spinoff taht was on air for only a season.

She look just like Huntress

http://www.superherophotos.net/batman/birds/birdsofprey.htm

:wip:

[Indolent]

Originally posted by somlor
"During the armchair scene, we have what is probably the most criticized element in The Matrix story line. Morpheus claims that the human race is imprisoned in a power station, where human bodies are used as a source of bioelectricity. This is engineering nonsense; it violates the fundamental law of energy conservation. The humans would have to be fed, and the laws of physics demand that the energy consumed as food must be greater than the energy generated by the human body. That Morpheus has misunderstood what is going on is underscored by his mention in the same speech of the machines' discovery of a new form of nuclear fusion. Evidently, the fusion is the real source of energy that the machines use. So what are humans doing in the power plant? Controlled fusion is a subtle and complex process, requiring constant monitoring and micromanaging. The human brain, on the other hand, is a superb parallel computer. Most likely, the machines are harnessing the spare brainpower of the human race as a colossal distributed processor for controlling the nuclear fusion reactions. (Sawyer comes to a similar conclusion elsewhere in this volume—Ed.)"

Sean.

Uh. Yeah. That's how it might happen. Or, we could just sit down and watch a movie in which every thing you see happening could never, ever happen in reality, ever and be entertained by the mere notion, because honestly, that's what 95% of every action movie ever made, is. Please, explain how bullet time would work, through scientific means, in cold, hard reality. I'm all ears. Oh, it would never work in a billion years? Sure looks pretty, though. :rolleyes: The Matrix was largely inspired by japanime and comics, for God's sake. People who criticize the believability of movies that are so obviously beyond the realm of anything remotely possible in the world we live in, need to turn that reality check on themselves and realize that the sole purpose of most movies is to show you something that CAN'T happen. It's called "imagination." If people are upset that movies like The Matrix are "unbelievable" well, DUH! I can't see how people like that can enjoy anything outside of documentaries on The Discovery Channel. But leik, omg, U guyz this Underworld movie jus totaly looks liek a matrix rip-off, OMG!!1!1 :p By the way, I'm not tryin' to get a flame war started... I love you guys. :love: just my measly, worthless .02 that isn't to be taken to heart. :wavey:

[RobertoOrtiz]

Julez4001 you stole my post!
he he

The character does look like "The Huntress" a lot.
And even in the marketing campaign they are not hiding it!
Just look at the poster.

-R

[Julez4001]

Its like they look at the TV show and said ..hey lets use the same costume (boobs exposed on top and leather jacket cape and
a girl with black hair).
And the poster is a SUPER STEAL. I won't be going to see it as it is a BLADE motif ripoff...i'll wait for BLADE III in 2004.

[BoromirNo1]

is it me or is 99% of the art on this site fantasy related. If you dolts who are slagging off a movie cos it's unreal then why the hell are you on this site anyway. Get real, get a life and get lost. :twisted:

[My Fault]

I doubt very seriously there was much Huntress influence. It's a pretty standard, extremely hot chick in leather, look. Kate is a damn good actress (she was a riot in "Metropolitan") and is a serious hottie.

It looks like a fairly fun "check your higher brain functions at the door" movie.

[Pent]

people need to get off their high horses and realize you see movies for entertainment, not to write a thesis over one. geez.
this movie I will def. see in theaters, rental would be taking away the enjoyment by 100%.

[Hellwolve]

Originally posted by Pent
people need to get off their high horses and realize you see movies for entertainment, not to write a thesis over one. geez.
this movie I will def. see in theaters, rental would be taking away the enjoyment by 100%.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

An movie is an chance to entertain yourself, not a chance to test your scientific knowledge.

[Julez4001]

Still she looks like an Huntress ripoff (to the T), thats like saying u doing a superheo movie with guy having a Superman costume with a backwards 'S" and calling it Adventures of a hero.

No high horse here, but pretty blatant.

[Sammy]

hollywood is just plain out of ideas! Lawyers and distributors don't know what art is or what storytelling is about! Gimme a break.

It's simply because there are too many left brain people doing right brain jobs.

No one wants to take any risks anymore in making a film, like all studios did in the 30's and 40s. The dreaded formula rut. And personally speaking, taking risks is what filmmaking is all about.

It's not that we WANT to see the same crap repackaged into different skin tight leather pants, but it's an easy sell in Hollywood - probably went something like:

"If you like Blade, you're gonna LOVE this!"
"It's got the sexiness of the Matrix, and the mythos of LOTR wrapped in an edgy package like Blade"
"Kids today like sexy people in black leather, they love guns - and CG beasts never HAVEN't worked, It's a sure thing gentlemen!"

with that vent, well, vented -- I'll probably go see it.

But I'll apply the Batman and Robin technique beforehand.
Rent Batman and Robin (the worst movie EVER!) and then go see Underworld ... which makes even Ishtar watchable ;)

-Sammy

[AndreKling]

I dont understand u guys, common if u dont like the movie dont go c it. But hollywood knows very well what they do. They make a lot of money, and those "crap, old formula " generates a lot of jobs, for guys who makes special effects and other stuff. If hollywood dindt know what they do, it wouldnt be what it is today.
Andre kling David
LONG LIFE TO HOLLYWOOD AND THE FX INDUSTRY!

[Diablo™]

yea but Batman and Robin sucked

[My Fault]

Originally posted by Julez4001
Still she looks like an Huntress ripoff (to the T), thats like saying u doing a superheo movie with guy having a Superman costume with a backwards 'S" and calling it Adventures of a hero.

No high horse here, but pretty blatant.

Julez, maybe you should actually watch the trailer for yourself because you obviously didn't if you think it's a ripoff to a "T." While there are some similarities, it is ridiculous to say it's a ripoff.... especially since the Huntresses costume isn't exactly anything that original in the first place. Plus in the trailer she doesn't have her boobs exposed, she's covered in leather from head to toe. This is a genre movie and it fits fairly neatly within that.

[lildragon]

Those who knock this stuff, would surely give their right testicle to be there working on these types of films. Ever heard of the saying "History repeats itself?" it happens in everything, stop whining, enjoy the films and be glad there's still CG jobs out there.

salud

[SheepFactory]

Originally posted by lildragon
Those who knock this stuff, would surely give their right testicle to be there working on these types of films. Ever heard of the saying "History repeats itself?" it happens in everything, stop whining, enjoy the films and be glad there's still CG jobs out there.

salud

I couldnt have said it better tito :beer:

People are trying to shit in the plate they are eating from.

[lildragon]

Originally posted by aYs
the scene where she shoots a hole into the floor is ridiculous

Hmm did you work on the film or catch an early early bird preview? Because you apparently know already what lead up to her reasoning for doing this. Hmm maybe you can tell us what happened in the scene before this?

People that judge the entire film from trailers should never have to buy a ticket to see it, because you obviously have telepathetic abilities. That or you read the script beforehand :shrug:

salud

[luv2xlr8]

Well it doesnt look wack, but Matrix 3 comes out this fall also so why the hell is this coming out at the same time??


EVERYBODY LOVES THE MATRIX !!!
http://www.criterionpic.com/cpl/images/lcl_matrixreloadedposter.jpg

[tenl]

Does anyone know the name of the song being played in the trailer?

[FClub_TDurden]

Gunna be interesting to see Kate Beckinsale in this role....She is a major HOTTEE...but she has played more polite tempered roles...she is one of those good mannered brits...will be nice to see her kickin some ass ...oh yesss

[Pinky_Powers]

Originally posted by aYs
i hate Matrix and i hate Blade an i also might hate a mix of both

don't know but it seems to be a boring "kiddy" movie

Anyone who says they hate The Matrix and Blade is a person to be weary of. But I also must say, so far, it looks like it is nothing more than a rip off of many of the great movies out. But if I have learned one thing by watching hundreds of movies, it is this, NEVER fully judge a movie by its first or 2nd trailer, wait for the final international trailer, and even then, don't judge it completely.
This trailer is no more than a teaser. It may be really good. But so far, there is nothing in the trailer to say it is anything more than a dumb, no real story, rip off. I am hoping it has deceived me. For I am always looking forward to seeing good movies.

[Sammy]

Am I the only one who thinks that the state of storytelling is at an all time low ? Wizz Bang special effects and fancy camera moves don't make a bad story better IMHO.

Just because it's CG I have to love it unconditionally ? Hmm. Here I thought people developed new art by critiquing that around them.

I love CG - all aspects of it - especially the people who produce it - the end product is only the icing - the PROCESS of producing it and the day to day problem solving is what I can't get enough of.

Passionate discussion is vital and shouldn't be discouraged.

-Sammy

[somlor]

Originally posted by Indolent
Uh. Yeah. That's how it might happen. Or, we could just sit down and watch a movie in which every thing you see happening could never, ever happen in reality, ever and be entertained by the mere notion, because honestly, that's what 95% of every action movie ever made, is. Please, explain how bullet time would work, through scientific means, in cold, hard reality. I'm all ears. Oh, it would never work in a billion years? Sure looks pretty, though. :rolleyes:

I'm all for suspension of belief when watching a film, and I also think the key to successful science fiction is creating a universe (through imagination, yes) where the things could be possible. And sure there will be holes, but if they are glaring I think an audience, or at least me, will tend to lose interest. It's like when you are working with 3d -- you can create a cartoony, completely unrealistic character, but if his arm starts accidentily interpenetrating things he picks up, and he randomly floats, and the imaginary world doesn't call for or explain this sort of thing, you have a hole that weakens and distracts. Personally I think The Matrix universe is an interesting and entertaining realization of a lot of philosophy about AI and consciousness that is currently amongst academic research and debate, so I found the article a fun read. I don't think everyone needs to analyze the believability of movies this intensely, but it's fun for us boring armchair philosophers I guess.

And what exactly about the "bullet time" is so unbelievable? They are in the matrix, a virtual world, and Neo slowly learns to "hack" into the higher level controls of that world, thus breaking it's artificially created rules of physics.

Sean.

[policarpo]

hehehe....hahahah...heheheh.....oh my...this is too funny...

around the arm chair we go...where it stops...no one knows...

weeeeee.....

film is like music, art and literature.

for the artist, it is merely a representative vehicle to frustrate and inspire us. we nurture the beast to lighten our load so we can create, mature and hone our craft.

for the critic, these things are vehicles to erect flaccid opinions instead of monuments which can truly arouse people.

now i ask everyone. do you watch films with open eyes, or eyes wide shut?:drool:

[tenl]

Well Said!

Even though I understood only half of it.

Would you happen to know the title of the song played in the trailer???

[AndreKling]

man, if u think that just cuz is against the physics law a movie lost value, so comon, lets burn star wars, first a laser witch stops in midle air, than sound in the space just to mention some of than. But those things contribute to the story and in this point that statment of matrix helped a lot. Any good screenwriter would distort the reality if doing this will increase the power of the scene.
I think matrix is a masterpiece in storytelling, and i really like the explanation they gave us about why they need the humans. It made me feel as if the humans are being used and it increased my angry against the matrix.
Andre Kling David

[Hellwolve]

Originally posted by Sammy
Am I the only one who thinks that the state of storytelling is at an all time low ? Wizz Bang special effects and fancy camera moves don't make a bad story better IMHO.

Just because it's CG I have to love it unconditionally ? Hmm. Here I thought people developed new art by critiquing that around them.

I love CG - all aspects of it - especially the people who produce it - the end product is only the icing - the PROCESS of producing it and the day to day problem solving is what I can't get enough of.

Passionate discussion is vital and shouldn't be discouraged.

-Sammy

I say, forget the story!

If I got enough money to buy only one ticket for one of two movies, I'll buy the ticket for the movie with the best visuals. Not the one with the best story.

Let me elaborate. That movie with a great story would have been filmed with an handycam, and the great visual movie would have an B-movie plot.

[Diablo™]

haha

About SFX being just icing is a true and valid opinion. The story is the cake, and if the cake isn't done well, no matter how expensive the icing is, it'll never cover the poor quality of the core.

With that perspective, I believe that cool SFX in trailers are there for a purpose, not to say that the story doesn't exist or that the movie blows, but the whole point of the trailer is to grab the audience and if throwing in SFX and CGI and wutever will do the job, then there's no denying it... cool SFX simply looks cool and audiences are willing to watch a movie solely because of it.

Of course if the movie blows, and truly the story doesn't exist, then .... well, it blows.. simple as that.

But we can't judge the story of a movie by the trailer, less the Teaser. Not until we experience the movie in its purest format completely.

I thought the Matrix was gonna blow when i saw the trailer, I agreed that it did look like it had no story, and was no more than just a flick of eye candy.... but then I saw the movie, and it proved me wrong. :)

[eric P]

Shitty movie,soundtrack in the trailers is horrible,its a matrixbladetomberaiderthecrow movie like. make me wanna puke,movie for cyber_trench coat_gothique geek.only for people who got suicidal tendencies,or would like to go in is school and shoot everybody.

Thanks hollywood.

[Hellwolve]

Originally posted by eric P
Shitty movie,soundtrack in the trailers is horrible,its a matrixbladetomberaiderthecrow movie like. make me wanna puke,movie for cyber_trench coat_gothique geek.only for people who got suicidal tendencies,or would like to go in is school and shoot everybody.

Thanks hollywood.

My turn to puke.

Where the hell do you get the nerve to say that's it's only for such people?

I know, from the top of my head, 15 people who are not like that and would like to see this movie.

[AJE]

Originally posted by eric P
Shitty movie,soundtrack in the trailers is horrible,its a matrixbladetomberaiderthecrow movie like. make me wanna puke,movie for cyber_trench coat_gothique geek.only for people who got suicidal tendencies,or would like to go in is school and shoot everybody.

Thanks hollywood.

Coming from a 'Power Puff' fan, that means a lot...

[eric P]

i think i have found the sensitive string,go buy a trench coat,listen to marilyn manson you punk

[Hellwolve]

Originally posted by eric P
i think i have found the sensitive string,go buy a trench coat,listen to marilyn manson you punk

I hope you get a kick out of it.

Finding the sensitive string makes you a better, cooler person, and it's an great subject to brag about.

:rolleyes:

[Werner]

hmmm, my kind of movie. I loved Matrix, Blade and Crow...I will most definetely watch this. I also think she (Kate) makes Trinity look like an old woman!!!! :drool:

hehe

[jussing]

He-he-he.... new FX trailer, and the waves are high again! :p

:thumbsup: The good stuff: albeit ripping off Matrix/Blade, there's cool art direction, gothic look, Beckinsale's ass in tight leather (her boobs don't seem to show), and unreal action - I'll watch it to see if I can get a good popcorn kick out of that.

:thumbsdow: The bad stuff: the usual problem with trailers... the crap they SAY! Listen to that bad acting: "I am a death dealer..." Ugh! I swear, if she talks like that in the movie, I won't stand more than 10 minutes of it...

:beer: Here's to hoping Underworld is all fight & leather-ass, and no talking!

Cheers people,
- Jonas

[SheepFactory]

Originally posted by eric P
i think i have found the sensitive string,go buy a trench coat,listen to marilyn manson you punk


Eric watch your attitude. And go watch Bowling for Colombine. Your ignorance is on a level thats off the scale.

[Indolent]

Originally posted by somlor And what exactly about the "bullet time" is so unbelievable? They are in the matrix, a virtual world, and Neo slowly learns to "hack" into the higher level controls of that world, thus breaking it's artificially created rules of physics.

Sean.

Ok, bullet time was a bad example. :p You make a justifiable point, I can see how correlating a movie to real-world physics can make it seem more immersive and interesting, I'll give you that. I just wouldn't allow any discrepencies, due to the fictitious nature of any film, to ruin it for me. The Matrix is a great blend of story and action of a calibre rarely seen in action movies, before it came along and if Morpheus' thesis on how the bots use humans for energy is somewhat flawed, I'm more than willing to suspend disbelief for the sake of being entertained. But, that's just how I like to watch movies. To each their own. :buttrock:

[aYs]

yes, Bowling for Colombine is worth seeing

ok, i'll stop contributing to threads like this
people seem to dislike me already :surprised

never mind

[EpShot]

uhg..

for everyone that says there is obviously now story, and that its just another blade matrix rip off.. a couple thing.

first off, someone mentioned cyber punk.. uh.. no

best i can tell it seems to coe directly from the White Wolf universe(complicated roleplayign universe simliiar but more mature and complicated than d&d), though i can't confirm some of the vocabulary used, as i only follow the vampire setting, but there is a deep plot involving vampire, werewolves and the worst of them all the wyrm.

so to call the movie a rip off, isn't accurate at all, since it has a solid foundation.

yea its goign to have a similiar look, vampire have a tendancy to where a lot of black leather, and have super human abilities, celerity(grat speed) potence(great strentgh)obfuscate(the ability to turn invisible) and so on and so forth.. lots of abilites that make for cool special effects. i'm just happy they'v efinally adapted the universe.. thoguh i'd pefer if they did werwolf the apocolypse.. which is the werewolf point of view, dealign with the evil blood suckers, but this is also sweet.



personaly i hope a lot of ppl hate this move, i rarely like movies catered to a mass audience.. if only ppl who know somethign abouthte universe like it.. i could care less, that jsut means less time spent introducing the ignorant to the world, hope they just jump in.

right now i'm just wondering if they'll be showcasign different clans.. i saw a toreador, bruhah, and nosferatu. so i'm thinkign it is.. just hope they have a few malkavians:insane:

so stop saying tis a rip off pleeeaase..

you can say its a stupid style, fine thats you opinion.. but it is takign all its looks from its on unique universe(though admitedly not to off from blade the movie, but to be fair, blade borowed mroe of its style from white wolf than its own comics form what i've heard)

[LordDubu]

Saying that a movie ripped off the matrix is like saying that someone ripped off the remake version of psycho or ransom or any other remake.

Matrix is, was and always has been "inspired" by other peoples work, under the full admission of the "W" brothers since long before the film was released.

In fact much of the film is frame for frame reproductions of masamune's "Ghost in the Shell".

"The Matrix" simply did for "wire-fu" what "Star Wars" did for space opera. It created a visual asthetic that is now the benchmark for what people expect an action film to look like. Frankly I have no problem with that. If you do have a problem with it, quit belly-aching about all the "Matrix Look-A-Likes" and do something so earth shatteringly visually stunning that you change the aesthetic face of film, and subsequently cause our audiences to expect us to look like what you've done.

/rant over.

[betelgeuse]

If you do have a problem with it, quit belly-aching about all the "Matrix Look-A-Likes" and do something so earth shatteringly visually stunning that you change the aesthetic face of film, and subsequently cause our audiences to expect us to look like what you've done.

To paraphrase that: Are you saying one can't offer criticism of something unless they're able to personally create something better? If so, that's nonsense. Although I do agree that juvenile dismissals without any intelligent thought behind it is also nonsense.
I also don't think you have to like every movie with CG in it just because it's your profession. Just don't put those thoughts on your resume ;-)

[LordDubu]

To paraphrase that: Are you saying one can't offer criticism of something unless they're able to personally create something better?

Not at all. And to be more clear on the issue I'm talking about knee-jerk reactions from the same people who over and over complain that this is a rip off of that.

[AndreKling]

I have mentioned it before, but im nots sure yet if this movie is inspired in the world of darkness. Would be cool tough cuz W o D is totally cool. U sure is inspired on the white wolf universe?
Andre Kling David

[MattClary]

Kate's a babe and the accent is awesome! Vampires rock. I'll be there. :buttrock:

[EpShot]

Originally posted by AndreKling
I have mentioned it before, but im nots sure yet if this movie is inspired in the world of darkness. Would be cool tough cuz W o D is totally cool. U sure is inspired on the white wolf universe?
Andre Kling David

well no, but its not that noraml to incorporate such a long war into a vampire story, white wolfs really the only one that does.

doesn't garantee anyhtign, buti'd be really surprised if they did use it for at least referance.. but the question is how much will they go into detail.. or is the director/producer jsut goign to rip off the premice and try and create a new world.

but i still say that was a nosferatu

(and i did see you post but didn't want to have to find it again to qoute:D )

[AJE]

Originally posted by MattClary
Kate's a babe and the accent is awesome! Vampires rock. I'll be there. :buttrock:

Nicely put. I couldn't agree more. Worst case senario, it turns out to be as bad as the Crow 2 or 3.

Best case senario, it turns out to be the first Crow movie, except a hottie female.

(does anyone know if this was originally scripted as 'The Crow 4'? I seem to recall that it was slated to be a female character as well.)

Cheers,
AJE

[slaughters]

Originally posted by Sammy
hollywood is just plain out of ideas! Lawyers and distributors don't know what art is or what storytelling is about! Gimme a break.Darn! I lost a bet I made to myself. I could of sworn that the first "Hollywood S*cks" comment would have shown up in the first page of comments, and not the 5th.

For those whining about the physics of "The Matrix".

Dudes ! You don't have a problem with secret nazi agents which are really computer viruses controlled by a super computer which has druged the entire population of the world, allows you to be sucked through a land line telephone (cell phones are bad), dump Terabytes of data from a floppy disk directly into someones brain, and fly in the air like superman BUT you do have a problem with people being used as batteries?

[BoydLake]

I think it looks cool, but looks can't get you everything. I don't mind seeing film ideas getting borrowed as long as there is enough unique charm in the content.

Just about every sci-fi movie made now has strong Matrix influence. That's OK 'cause the Matrix is pretty darn cool. The problem I see with Underworld at least from this trailer is the lack of anything new that makes me want to go see it when I've seen Blade, The Crow, The Matrix, Dark City etc.. already. What's new in Underworld? Boobs? That's what I'm asking myself.

P.S. The shooting the hole in the floor shot made me thing of Bugs Bunny.

[somlor]

Originally posted by Indolent
<snip> I'm more than willing to suspend disbelief for the sake of being entertained. But, that's just how I like to watch movies. To each their own.

I gotta say... I really enjoyed the Matrix and at no point during my first watching was I being this nerdy. ;)

Originally posted by slaughters
Dudes ! You don't have a problem with [edit:blahblahblah] BUT you do have a problem with people being used as batteries?

You should really click on that link I posted. It explains how a lot of what you find incredulous is actually theoretically possible, although glamorized of course.

Sean.

[tenl]

On a lighter note...

Anyone know the title of the song in the trailer:rolleyes:

[jussing]

The Song: according to SoundtrackNet (http://www.filmmusic.com/trailers/?cid=U&id=1276), it's "Red Tape" by Agent Provocateur... :shrug:

The Matrix power thing: Heh! I just always ignorantly dismissed that as Star Trek-style sci-fi gibberish that I propably wouldn't have understood even if it made sense! How lucky for people like me we don't know any better! ;)

Cheers,
- Jonas

[blindsleeper]

Originally posted by Indolent
Uh. Yeah. That's how it might happen. Or, we could just sit down and watch a movie in which every thing you see happening could never, ever happen in reality, ever and be entertained by the mere notion, because honestly, that's what 95% of every action movie ever made, is. Please, explain how bullet time would work, through scientific means, in cold, hard reality. I'm all ears. Oh, it would never work in a billion years? Sure looks pretty, though. :rolleyes: The Matrix was largely inspired by japanime and comics, for God's sake. People who criticize the believability of movies that are so obviously beyond the realm of anything remotely possible in the world we live in, need to turn that reality check on themselves and realize that the sole purpose of most movies is to show you something that CAN'T happen. It's called "imagination." If people are upset that movies like The Matrix are "unbelievable" well, DUH! I can't see how people like that can enjoy anything outside of documentaries on The Discovery Channel. But leik, omg, U guyz this Underworld movie jus totaly looks liek a matrix rip-off, OMG!!1!1 :p By the way, I'm not tryin' to get a flame war started... I love you guys. :love: just my measly, worthless .02 that isn't to be taken to heart. :wavey:

the matrix has you.... lol

[Angelus26]

I agree, never let reality get in the way of a good story:)

[jussing]

Reality vs. plausibility...

Donald Duck wears sailor's clothes, he talks, lives in a house, and drives a car... but that doesn't mean Carl Barks' Donald stories aren't good.

Tom and Jerry - in fighting over the smallest of things - can pull out infinite amounts of dynamite rods out of pockets in their fur, yet that doesn't stop it from being entertaining...

BUT! -If Donald Duck pulled dymanite rods out of his feathers, that would be concidered "unrealistic", as opposed to a car-driving duck... why?

Because of the selected frame of relative reality that the particular story takes place in.

Within a few pages, or minutes, any story should establish what universe - what reality - it is set in. And for the rest of the story, it should obey the fictional reality of that universe. Otherwise the audience has no reason to listen to the rest of the story - why read a book, or watch a movie, where you know the characters can always jump out of the worst trouble just by script-writers will?

For instance, in Independence Day, people question the infamous ALIEN SPACE SHIP VIRUS... yet no-one questions that aliens arrive in city-size spaceships. Why?

-Because the spaceships are part of the movie's premise - the concept - the fictional reality that we know appropriately early is a part of this movie's universe, that we have deliberately chosen to enter.

The alien space ship virus-thing sucks, because it's pulled out of the hat, a free lunch-sollution, breaking EVEN the fictional reality universe that the movie has established: uploading a computer virus into an alien spaceship is "unrealistic", EVEN in a world where aliens arriving in city-size spaceships is supposed to be "realistic".

The same way, some people feel that EVEN in a world where machines can take over the planet, and hold humans captive in a virtual computer world, it's "unrealistic" that they can magically make energy grow, by extracting more energy from the human slaves than they pump into them. -Because it opposes simple high-school-level physics. It becomes a "bad excuse" for drama.

And that's fair enough, I think.

But, like I said, I'm ignorant enough do dismiss it as "gibberish I wouldn't understand anyway", so I personally didn't have a problem with it... ;)

There, I just spent two pages on something completely OT. Woo-hoow. Imitating Jim Carrey: "Somebody stop meeee!"

Cheers,
- Jonas

[somlor]

Thanks, jussing. That's exactly what I was trying to get at.
:beer:

[Indolent]

Excellent thesis, Jussing. You drove the point home. Everyone complaining about fiction vs reality should be automatically referred to your post, by default. :p

[danteort]

Excellent post, jussing.

Out of curiosity, does the whole 'using humans as batteries' REALLY violate the laws of thermodynamics? Why is it assumed that they're getting out more energy than they put in. By design, humans are able to convert the matter we consume into enough energy to be able to not only continue to function, but also to move around, lift things, run, play sports, etc. Since the humans in the matrix aren't physically moving, that seems to be a lot of potential energy up for grabs.

[slaughters]

It's in making "...the matter we consume" that the energy loss occurs. In other words, it takes more energy to grow the food to feed them than you will ever get out of them.

[Hellwolve]

Originally posted by slaughters
It's in making "...the matter we consume" that the energy loss occurs. In other words, it takes more energy to grow the food to feed them than you will ever get out of them.

The machines feed the dead to the living. After the war, I'm sure there were plenty dead to go around with.

That's how it could work; altough making food out of the dead costs energy as well...

[danteort]

Ahh, got it. :thumbsup:

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