Bad bad monster...

[Maximus Groff]

Side

http://sycraf.myftp.org/wip/teeth_2.JPG

[Vash T Stampede]

It reminds me of that pink montser in Doom, you know The one that took Huge chunks out of you...

Nice!;)

[xeno]

I like its mouth a lot, it has an almost toy like quality to it, kinda reminds me like a ghostbuster toy

[Maximus Groff]

:p

plz suggestions to get better :D

:beer: Thanks

[ceql]

hmmm the part of lowest detail is probably around the eyes, try adding some detail there to define the eyelids and stuff ;)

[Maximus Groff]

Little update b4 i pickup my girlfriend to mountain bike ;)

http://sycraf.myftp.org/wip/teeth_3.JPG


C&C´s are welcome!

[Hexodam]

I like it, just now do the body so we can realy seee what type of character this is:beer:

[Maximus Groff]

hum... ok, going for body now!

head
http://sycraf.myftp.org/wip/teeth_4.JPG

[William b. Hand]

Lookin good, here! The colour/texture change sure has a huge effect, and the new dental configuration and tongue are huge improvements! I look forward to this fella's evolution! - Wm.

[PCollier]

Hey Maximus, Just seen this thread for the first time. I really love the mouth area those teeth look very viscious. I am much looking forward to the body work I can imagine some bloody talons coming out some bulky arms :buttrock:

[Maximus Groff]

Here we go...

This beast is supposed to have only two arms and the rest of the body is a 'snake' like....

so i figure BIG arms and filthy hands... :buttrock:

http://sycraf.myftp.org/wip/teeth_5.JPG

dont mind the fingers.. i will do them tomorrow..

plz wait for the images to download...
the redrival server must be in maintenance or something else...

thanks for replies! :wavey:

[Maximus Groff]

hey, no replies ? whats up ?

[William b. Hand]

Well, I for one was suprised to find him so... stubby ... looking.:p But, once I read yer explanation, it made a bit more sense. His modeling seems to be pretty rudimentary and obviously unfinished, so it's really difficult to know how to focus attention. Looks like the muscles by the shoulder blades and side/back of the arms need attention... and from an anatomical standpoint, his whole front torso seems like it'd have a different set up. ( i.e. the pecks and abs are fer an UPRIGHT creature) ...
that said, this IS an inhabitant of the "What I say goes" world of Maximus Groffs throbbing brain - and who knows what the laws are there.
It just needs to move forward further in the process, is all.
So, move it!

Oh, and maybe BIGGER arms... If he's relying on those to pull him around, he'll wanna bulk up, I bet. I like the "filthy hands" idea. ok i done now.

[Grub]

Hi Maximus, that's a mean-looking monster.:) My suggestion is for you to give him a more pronounced neck.:thumbsup:

[lmc]

The model is nice just not really clear how it really look like?! any sketch or wireframe to c?!'

:eek:

[Maximus Groff]

:) thanks for replies fellas...

William:: Thanks for your attention! i like to model rough, and them go for details.. thats my way..

Yes, im having trouble with the abs area... could u draw some concepts for me ? im doing human-alien style, but the thing inst going well...

No, im not the guy who says 'my way or the highway'.. im very confident that 'workgroup' is WAAAAY more effective than stucking with your own...

More big arms ? man! i thought those babies were alien-size!
Ok.. i will try out!

PCollier:: Yeah, the talons will be damn ugly... 3 fingers and a thumb

Grub:: Ok.. i think that too! will do that neck more long also!

Imc:: i have the original drawing done by my friend.. but the scanner is crashed... damn freaky hardware..

Hexodam:: Whats ur opinion now ?


Thanks a lot! i was very very embarassed to show my stuff..
here are the pros of the world and im just a guy who does not give up..



:p

[William b. Hand]

Hm.. I guess his arms are pretty big, but isn't he sort of pulling himself and some big snakey tail along? His chest is huge, so I'm imaging a pretty long tail.. arms like legs in their dimensions... But, I think you gotta come up with all this other stuff before I can make any more comments, it's too open.

As far as the abs go.. well, they could stay that way and have sort of distorted mermaid thing goin' on - that can work. Or maybe have that whole area be shifting into sort of bone belly scales - like on a snake, but ribs and flesh. Or maybe he's got a sort of a sled set-up... like he pulls himself along with the help of these metal rails that're tied or implanted or bolted to him... a sortuv quadropalegic on the skateboard effect... :)
Beats me, dude.
Just keep goin'!

[loked]

Hey Maximus Groff,

Looking really awesome. Are you gonna keep the plastic type feel or go for a textured realistic feel. Personally I think the textured feel would suit it better. Anyway, keep up the good work!!

Oh yeah, I hope you didn't take offense to the comment I made on the other post!:cool:

Later!

Loked

[Maximus Groff]

Textured.. all the way. Gotta create some shaders..

'Dreamcatchers' aliens are somewhat of reference for me.. ;)

Im very impressed by rico holmes an his diary,
http://www.ricoholmes.com/OtherStuff/RedDiary/Diary_Frameset.htm awesome work! doing some of his techs..

[foodi]

face reminds me of teh imps from doom2.. hehehe

just wanna blast it with thinking.. :P


body reminds me of the pink demon from teh same game


dont think.. shoot!

[xeno]

i think i honestly liked the first color best! the pink one, somehow, to me, it seemed to fit the beast a bit more..the high specularity on the green shader didnt really apeal to me. The model itself is looking pretty sweet!

[Maximus Groff]

ok... pink it is! all green gone... ;)
tomorrow updates... promisse!

Here´s a tongue for ya :p

[Maximus Groff]

Ok.. here we go... need a lot to improve but it takes time..

im still NOT working on the fingers... :(

http://sycraf.myftp.org/wip/teeth_7.JPG

[Maximus Groff]

please C&C... :wip:

:bounce: no bounce, no play!

[demo38]

I missed where he went to pink... Not too crazy about that...

Model / character / texturing looking great.

:thumbsup:

[William b. Hand]

Hel-lOo from the peanut gallery!
:wavey:
You should work in a colour that you enjoy modeling in... I liked the darker greenish quality, but I can see some pretty intense veining possibilities with the caucasian look!
Right now the structure is the most important focus. I preferrred the neckless version... it was part of his character, I thought - that sortuv Hunched look was appealing. And it changes the whole look of the shoulders, too. I'm just another cook in the kitchen, I guess, but I miss that aspect.
And I'm wondering if, when I suggested bigger arms--- Did you just scale them up? It's not really what I meant. Because now his head looks very small! I meant maybe some fatter muscles thrown in, but with the same length arms. I guess I wasn't clear there. If it doesn't gel with your instinct, don't go with it.
Do you have any concept sketches that you did for this, or do you work on the fly? It'd be nice to have a broader understanding of your vision. And, conversly, what specific aspects are you focused on?
Why aren't you working on the fingers? He'll look better with fingers!:thumbsup:

[Maximus Groff]

Damn right i will work today on his fingers.. :rolleyes:

About the concept... my friend work with me in the night period..
we are sorta of 'organization'... cool huh ? anyway, the scanner
crashed badly (AC adapter)... so only I can view his drawings..

im still adapting the size of head with body, so its normal to have
such weirdo looks... 4 heads tall i believe..

bout the hunching... flex on his head will allow some nice
'almost-catch-with-teeth' sequences...
yes there is a short behind this.

about those arms.. man.. oh trouble...they must be long
cause he is slow moving (damn big and has a VERY long tale)
and must catch its preyes more efficiently.. still WIP thought ;)

the color is very frustrating... but with this setup, its better to
catch errors on geometry/scale..

Well, can u sketch some NEW stuff based on this one ?
i can double check with my friend and perhaps we can do
even a better character!! :lightbulb

:airguitar

[Wiz]

i am likng this guy alot..
i think the arm muscle could use a bit more defnetion but the rest looks pretty great..

keep the good job

[William b. Hand]

Where'd the picture go? I'm just getting a "redrival" image.
And for picture... what area? In general, you mean?!? I would feel weird about that, I think... I get carried away with pictures, it would no longer make sense to your creation, I fear. Maybe I'm wrong, though... ok, but you gotta put the image back up - one that's as close to your current vision as possible. And keep working on fingers! Claws! :D

[Maximus Groff]

picture restored... dont ask me why.. just deleted and
uploaded again..

Hi Wiz! yeah, im working on that! thanks! How´s your 'boy'
going ?

Will, dont be shy - just do it! It goes to other direction? so be it!

humm.. the head is 2 and 1/3 of all height... now i c... and his
arms are waaay more leened to the side...

things are kinda slow 'cause im having personal probs (girls and
work never mix :thumbsdow SSDD

sorry if the thing its not getting faster dev.. :annoyed:

[Maximus Groff]

A little update... ;)

http://sycraf.myftp.org/wip/teeth_8.JPG

Now it can reach long distances..:wavey:

[PCollier]

Ahhhh fantastic Talons just as I imagined, did we link brains briefly or something Max :beer:

Only one thing you may want to consider, unless you are skinning it as you go along that folder skin around his belly is gonna be difficult to skin without it doin weird stuff. You might wanna give him a fairly flat stomach for the time being and then let the skinning make it fold.

Keep up the excellent work m8 :)

[William b. Hand]

Picture gone, again.

[Maximus Groff]

do a shift-refresh (IE 6) and the cache will be discarded, will.

Hey PCollier, this is just a temp 'state', the talons will be more like blades, not the 'teeth-alike' shape it is now..

the arms are going thru some major changes... the biceps will
be more noticeable..

´bout the ab area... im cleaning it and will do some changes like
the sketches Will sended to me.. thanks again will!

i have a 994k avi divx file with him rotating clear, but the redrival
server im using dont upload sizes like that.. can anyone host for
me while i exchange my server ?

Thanks guys!!

[Maximus Groff]

Little update and changed the dull color...

Going for some major scales jumping on the back :wip:

http://sycraf.myftp.org/wip/teeth_9.JPG

:beer: Plz C&C!!!

[William b. Hand]

Looks good, Maximus... but, what do you want c&c about? You say the areas you're working on you've got plans for ---->

TORSO: "the ab area... im cleaning it and will do some changes"

ARMS: "the arms are going thru some major changes... the biceps will be more noticeable." .

and CLAWS: "just a temp 'state', the talons will be more like blades"

... So, we sorta gotta see what you do, huh?:D

[Maximus Groff]

hahahah.... man, so... what about green ? ;)

[William b. Hand]

Green's good. ...but, you're focus should be on the modeling. Agreed? Wow, this book on modeling is so fat and heavy... And my brain is so light and puny... Can't we just download stuff into our minds without effort, yet?!! I'm aching to know how to do this stuff! Waaaah :cry:
Okay, I'm done. Now, Maximus-- if you have the time and wherewithall, follow your bliss and model what Maximus wants to see! THEN we can tell you what you did wrong:D !

And don't forget what PCollier said about maybe making the stomach flat to begin with... I don't know what pc's talking about, but it sounds like it might be important.

[Maximus Groff]

found a server... check a look aorund (360 rotation)

http://r_groff.tripod.com/rot_monster.avi

[Threedeemer]

Cool! this is turning out great. :thumbsup:
I particularily like the face, a few suggestions, maybe add some detail to the neck like complex bundled muscles, also maybe more definition to the shoulders. Looks good so far though.

[Maximus Groff]

Thanks..

hope everybody can see the video and give more opinions.

Threedeemer

"complex bundled muscles", i dont realize this is my head - can
u be more 'grafical' about ? :beer:

:wavey:

[Threedeemer]

Sure Maximus. Here is a rough sketch of what I meant about the neck. Pretty much just like what you have there already with a bit of extra muscles to make it less humanoid. It may probably add to his menacing look. :thumbsup:
Just a suggestion of course.

sketch (http://www.3demption.com/media/pics/posts/artists/maximoffs.jpg)

[Maximus Groff]

wow... consider it done... wait a couple of days, of course!

Thanks Threedeemer, BTW im following your work on the dragon,
excelent 'diary' you have...

"Rest neo, the answers are coming..."

:thumbsup:

[Maximus Groff]

http://sycraf.myftp.org/wip/teeth_10.JPG

Added some extras on the back..
i think im almost done with modeling..

Threedemer: its too dificultt to do ur sketch..
im keeping 'one mesh ultra edited' as u can see..

The rotating avi will be in the next 2 hours of render.. ;)


:wavey: C&C guys!! plz! what u like and what u dont .. :bounce:

[William b. Hand]

Now, how iz he gonna move around? Is he gonna be more like a slug or a snake? I'd been thinking that he was gonna pull himself along, somewhat, with those arms... but, now it doesn't look that way at all.
Regardless, I think you need to continue the belly modeling further down.
And he sort of balloons out a bit, towards his base... what's your reasoning there? It would make sense if he's gonna be slug-like, but i dunno if that's gonna work for snake-like.
Despite all that, it's nice to see how far he's come!:thumbsup:

[Maximus Groff]

Heres a 360'

http://r_groff.tripod.com/rot_4.avi

[Threedeemer]

Looks good, texturing while really add alot to him. :thumbsup:
Maybe lots of veins and cappilaries. Wasnt able to veiw the avi turnaround yet, im guessing its a bandwith overload.

[William b. Hand]

Hey, Maximus... how about at least a still image or two, so those of us w/ Macs can see your progress!

[Maximus Groff]

Ok... guys... it mutates very quickly.. so here we go:

http://sycraf.myftp.org/wip/teeth_12.JPG

http://sycraf.myftp.org/wip/teeth_11.JPG

Snake ... ;)

How to "free" encode a quicktime movie ? have bunch of bmps..

[Maximus Groff]

latest 360 avi :

http://r_groff.tripod.com/rot_5.avi

hey.. im downloading @ 33 Kbytes/s .. hows your rate ?

[Maximus Groff]

Added more detail..

Just need to finish the 'hands' and i will go for UV´s ;)

http://sycraf.myftp.org/wip/snake_doom.jpg

:wavey: Whassup ??? :beer:

[William b. Hand]

That's really come together! Nice jooOrb, Maximus! What're UV's ? All this terminology is new to me. What sort of texturing plans do you have?
I see this guy as going back and forth between walking/dragging himself and moving more snakely... Big violent, to-and-fro steps... Yeah!
:thumbsup:

[Maximus Groff]

Hey will!

dude... if u are learning 3d theres a new prog (for me at least)
that LITERALLY KICKS !!

check this and u see what im talking about..

http://pixologic.com/home/showcase15/ZSpheres0.gif

faster and faster!!!! ooh god! normally i dont spam (hehe)
but go for http://pixologic.com/ .....

:bounce:

UV´s are coordinates related in the 3d mesh to the
bitmap texture.. just so u know!

:cool:

[dominicqwek]

Youch! I wouldnt wanna mess with that guy! Love the details on the head and hands. I've this thing for spikes, do them sharper! :D

Cool work dude.

[xeno]

I realy like this one!! The translucensy in the shader really does the trick to give him that soft appearance, makes him look a little like marzipan ( i have no idea if u spell it that way) Awesome job!

[Maximus Groff]

Damn... red rival server suxs.. NEVER USE THIS SERVER GUYS!

Ok... final modeling (tripod server now)

http://r_groff.tripod.com/snake_doom_model.JPG

here the UV´s

http://r_groff.tripod.com/uvs.JPG


;)

[dominicqwek]

heh heh..looks like tripod is down as well dude..

[Maximus Groff]

wtf!

damn... ok, i will have my own server...

http://r_groff.tripod.com/snake_doom_model.JPG

and

http://r_groff.tripod.com/uvs.JPG

[William b. Hand]

That ain't workin' either, Maximus....

[Maximus Groff]

So.. here is some update

http://sycraf.myftp.org/wip/snake_text_2.jpg

Hope u all doesnt unsubscribeb my thread! heheheheh

[William b. Hand]

Nice x, Maximus.:thumbsup:
(Later that same day...) Okay, can see it now!

[Threedeemer]

Cool scale patterning, Maximus. How would it look if you boosted the bump depth a bit. :thumbsup:

[Maximus Groff]

Ok... another shot with more bump

http://sycraf.myftp.org/wip/snake_text_4.jpg

"CrossHatch" filter is a blast, dont u think ? heheh

Why i cant see textures larger tham 2048 in viewport ..
Maya limitations or its my video card (Gf3 ti200) ?

Hey Threedeemer, whats your final resolution for the dragon model ?


:wavey: :thumbsup:

[Threedeemer]

Hey thats looking really impressive, like alligator scales. :buttrock:
Crosshatch filter; Is this filter found in Maya?
The resolutions I used were 1024, and 1440, what I did was apply these to specific parts like the head, chest, back, and arms. Its not one whole texture for the entire mesh, dont know how I would accomplish that type of segmented texturemapping without deeppaint. If you do decide to use one map it wouold have to be huge, I'm guessing like 4k or so.

[PCollier]

0oo0ooo I love the texture work with the scales on the head. You next need make a nice scale shader to really bring it out. I think it could do with a little more bump too.

[Maximus Groff]

My bump is like this:

http://sycraf.myftp.org/wip/bump_q.jpg

How can i acchieve better results ?

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