yakuza, Feysal Anthony Nair (3D)

[Baltasound]

Photoshop and Poser.

[feysless]

Lets face it, beltasound you seem to luck the capacity for creative critism or is english a difficult language. I dot mind critism if it has reason and not personal preference.if you can help me improve id like to know how,iam an artist and poser and photoshop are my tools as are max and vray are yours as an artist who does remarkable work (yes i actually like your work) that has amazing lighting and feel. could it be that iam frm Africa or iam african that you feel the need to dis own my work and tools?
Photoshop and Poser.

[Baltasound]

He, I am no racist or whatever :eek: Its just that Poser doesnt require any skill and is kinda hated over here. I mean, you picked a pre made figure and pressed the render button :shrug:

PS . My tool is Maya at the moment. :D
PPS. and no, English isnt a difficult language for me, better look at your own typings before judging others :deal:

[PinQ]

Her legs are strange

[feysless]

Baltasound you may not be a racist as you have clarified your dislike for my tools of choice, see poser may be hated by you and your type but remember 3d isnt just about modelling some of us prefer to specialise and iam specialised in rendering,lighting,texturing and post work iam not good yet at modelling. Poser is like photography,you have the models made by artists who put in alot of work and an artist like me will take that model just as in a photoshoot and set up lights textures position and camera then hit render finally when and only when the artist is satisfied he or she will take the image and post produce it. In a few words cg is wide and poser does require skill just not the modelling type of skill. As i said before i respect your work and you as an artist but we have different prefences but at the end its all art.

He, I am no racist or whatever :eek: Its just that Poser doesnt require any skill and is kinda hated over here. I mean, you picked a pre made figure and pressed the render button :shrug:

PS . My tool is Maya at the moment. :D
PPS. and no, English isnt a difficult language for me, better look at your own typings before judging others :deal:

[Asidpk]

" i never said i model,i specialise in render,texturing,post and light.
I have a love for fulfilling my photographic passion in 3d.
Poser allows me to set up a photo session in 3d.
Good luck in what you do"

He explained himself in the other post why he uses this program, I dont think he posted this to show off his skill in modeling. This is getting rediculous people hating certain programs becuase it requires no skill? Wow... did it ever occur that in certain industries that they use Poser intentionally so they can create something quickly? However i can understand like the many independant artists that are here have preferences of using "Proffessional" tools such as Maya, 3ds max, and Zbrush. Dont get me wrong I am a fine art student tradionally used to oils and acrylic I happen to now have changed my major to motion illustration learning now to use 3d mediums (3ds max 2008, zbrush, photoshop cs3) but this elitists shit is just unnecessary. I have seen people get upset about people using poser but why? They are just trying to express themselves so let them, the fact that you disregard their art just becuase they used poser specifically in this case where he is using it as a set up for photography is nonsense

[bst-art]

Being guilty of doin´poser art myself ;) and not selling one of my kidneys to buy Maya or whatever, I´ll try to give you a critique measured on what´s possible in Poser and photoshop.

- The lighting is pretty good on the back, but with some additional weak lights around her sides you could soften the shadows a bit without destroying the mood you tried to achieve.

- The tattoo needs work, it´s borders are blurred a bit much and the coloring could be better too. It looks a bit like the painted pattern before getting ink done, instead of the tattoo itself.

- The positioning could be more creative and supporting the bodies shape like it´s done in "Crying Freeman" for example.

- Try to soften the joints and the bodies shape, the meshes of the poser figures often look edgy a bit.

Continue your work and never stop to learn. Art isn´t a question of the tools used, but of the dedication and creativity put within.

[feysless]

PinQ, i will tell you why you are posting here...becouse you are friends with baltasound,as usual where there is 1 others always follow.Non the less its your opinion to call my work shit and you have a right to it. i will be posting more work or shit as you call it as i ahave since 2004 i hope you keep posting your comments just make them alil more creative o and intelligent...if thats not so hard.
This looks like shit

And...

wtf

why the hell am I posting here 0.o

[Baltasound]

Poser is mainly there for posing the models and then exporting them to a real aplication. You cant learn to light and texture in there. It just plain sucks. If you really wanna learn, try an app like max, maya, modo. lightwave. Or Blender, wich is free. Good luck :thumbsup:

[aesir]

The hair is crappy, the ass is weird, the tattoo is pixelated, the lighting is blown out into solid blacks and whites, you didnt use anti-aliasing, you rendered on a black background, and as an image it is not pleasing to the eye.

[feysless]

Thank you so very much, i cannot express how appreciative iam for your advice.
This is actually 1 of my older jobs i will be adding new work soon and i do pray you can advice me. Visit my portfolio and let me know what improvements i can make. I will put all your valuable advise and critic into practice in my up comming jobs.
Thank you very much.
i will work on the pointers you have given me for my next works.

Being guilty of doin´poser art myself ;) and not selling one of my kidneys to buy Maya or whatever, I´ll try to give you a critique measured on what´s possible in Poser and photoshop.

- The lighting is pretty good on the back, but with some additional weak lights around her sides you could soften the shadows a bit without destroying the mood you tried to achieve.

- The tattoo needs work, it´s borders are blurred a bit much and the coloring could be better too. It looks a bit like the painted pattern before getting ink done, instead of the tattoo itself.

- The positioning could be more creative and supporting the bodies shape like it´s done in "Crying Freeman" for example.

- Try to soften the joints and the bodies shape, the meshes of the poser figures often look edgy a bit.

Continue your work and never stop to learn. Art isn´t a question of the tools used, but of the dedication and creativity put within.

[feysless]

I agree max has a better render and my next stage in my skill will be working between the programmes.Please tell me whats the best export settings to preserve the uvs and units,have been having problems with the export...step by step i will get there.

Thanx alot

Poser is mainly there for posing the models and then exporting them to a real aplication. You cant learn to light and texture in there. It just plain sucks. If you really wanna learn, try an app like max, maya, modo. lightwave. Or Blender, wich is free. Good luck :thumbsup:

[feysless]

Thanks for your remarks i hope i improve, i will work at it.
thanx
The hair is crappy, the ass is weird, the tattoo is pixelated, the lighting is blown out into solid blacks and whites, you didnt use anti-aliasing, you rendered on a black background, and as an image it is not pleasing to the eye.

[Neox3d]

hey buddy, its a very nice effort. i think poser and photoshop are as gud as we have max and maya, modo or blender or anysoftware for that matter, but its doesnt mean that they should be compared to each other like this, Its like "if i dont know how to build a car that doesnt mean i shouldnt buy one, just because I dont know how to build one.".

One suggestion though If you want to make you image right i mean this image withoput hitting another render,
1. crop the image so that the hip part is left behind and shouldnt get into the final pic.
2. then using photoshop, select your main figure and transport to new layer, then try some background light effect at the black part left behind, this way the contrast would soften and you wouldnt have to do another render.

And I think it atakes a lot to handle any 3d software. I myself dont use poser, I am a max user But gotta respect other people's work.

And hey Baltasound, my friend i agree that poser is gud on built in models, but i think when we setup vray/mental ray rendering setup, we do nothing except just position it and set the values, but the system does the rest of teh job, i think we shouldnt be that picky on someone, not using our own choice of software, no offense man, its just a suggestion.

[uiron]

"if i dont know how to build a car that doesnt mean i shouldnt buy one, just because I dont know how to build one.".

if you don't know how to build a car, you can't just.. buy it and then say you've built it. taking a premade model and rendering it in Poser is way too low level CG for this site IMHO. deviantart is -> that way.

[Baltasound]

if you don't know how to build a car, you can't just.. buy it and then say you've built it. taking a premade model and rendering it in Poser is way too low level CG for this site IMHO. deviantart is -> that way.

This totally true. Feysless, you say you are learning. Well, learning isnt taking premade models. So its not art. So dont type long post saying you are an artist. You are not. But you can learn. Good luck :buttrock:

[chachi007]

while I dispise Poser myself, I don't see the need for the hostility. Most people cannot afford Max, Cinema4D, Maya or Lightwave. Cut them slack, offer advice. And always remember, dish out all the insults you want, there is always someone better than yourself.
As far as the peice, it could use a better background. Also, having over 30 tatoos myself, i have never seen one that dark. Tone down the ink color a bit and fade it into the skin.
Also, try www.renderosity.com (http://www.renderosity.com). That has a HUGE Poser following there. It might be better suited for you. Just tryin' to be friendly and helpful!! Good luck!! :)

-chachi

[ACantarel]

Hmm a good way to improve yourself would be taking a similar photo and analyze it. Where does the light come from, how soft is the shading, why does it looks like how it looks, colors, composition etc.

Cheers
André

[Loukor]

Another thread goes to hell haha

[HorseFlesh]

Where are the freakin moderators? I can't understand why they let this shit continue. All you guys who keep bashing the poser renders are just making perfect asses out of yourselves. You are making yourselves look really really bad.

I dont like the type of renders you are bashing either, in fact, I cant stand them...But all you are doing when you rip them to shreds is make a MARTYR out of the person who posts the thing you hate...Giving them lots of attention...

I personally just dont get why this brand of low quality work is allowed here in the first place, but there is nothing we can do about it...

If no one comments on any of these types of posts in the future, what will happen? They will fall off the face of the earth, and they get forgotten about...This is the way to handle things you hate that are posted here, just ignore them completely...

You people need to grow the hell up and act like adults...

[Neox3d]

hey guys I think we are pushing it too, far, i mean he took a poser model whats the big deal? v all know how simple poser is, and there is less effort but lets try and appreciate him and corrrect his mistake as people who understand the problem but we are like behaving like kids
if you dont like it, then respectfully crit and comment. we are litteraly being disrespectfull.

[qur]

tihs is going no where ! we all agree poser is a easy tool for creating good look. but it's not bad immo.

this arguement will go as same as when cg first appear in industry. did the artists said "cg is shit it's easy to make a perfect anatomy if u have skills use your own hand not a mouse."

this is the way it works every time a new application makes things easier.

did we did this aguement when V-Ray get in the industry or when Maxwell . this is the same logic.

if it's easy then use it. it doesnt mean your work will be bad. the important part is the final.
is the image good to your eye or not if it's good then it doesnt matter if u use max or maya or poser of whatever the tools r not important the important thing is the result. not the way u did it.

as a result is this imege good or bad.

i think it's not good but not because of using poser. it's because you didn't paid attention to the details. it's not realistic. tatoo is not good enough ( and i think it's not ur design anyway couse i think i saw this tatoo in google )

bu if u what to get better try to do tutorials that can be found by siply typing 3d tutorials in google sarch bar.

[feysless]

Neox3d you are rite the purpose of poser is totally different from max and maya or any other modelling software poser wasnt created for modelling. Just to make a simple point its like accusing a photographer of taking pictures of subjects that already exist. if you see my point. I dint mean to start a craze war but i will defend my art unless iam wrong.
I have to confess i use max and iam learning zbrush but i havent sharpened my skill in them yet. I would like to thank every 1 who has contributed here, i have decided to keep at my art and try and step to the next level of my art hopefully learn to model.

hey buddy, its a very nice effort. i think poser and photoshop are as gud as we have max and maya, modo or blender or anysoftware for that matter, but its doesnt mean that they should be compared to each other like this, Its like "if i dont know how to build a car that doesnt mean i shouldnt buy one, just because I dont know how to build one.".

One suggestion though If you want to make you image right i mean this image withoput hitting another render,
1. crop the image so that the hip part is left behind and shouldnt get into the final pic.
2. then using photoshop, select your main figure and transport to new layer, then try some background light effect at the black part left behind, this way the contrast would soften and you wouldnt have to do another render.

And I think it atakes a lot to handle any 3d software. I myself dont use poser, I am a max user But gotta respect other people's work.

And hey Baltasound, my friend i agree that poser is gud on built in models, but i think when we setup vray/mental ray rendering setup, we do nothing except just position it and set the values, but the system does the rest of teh job, i think we shouldnt be that picky on someone, not using our own choice of software, no offense man, its just a suggestion.

[feysless]

Beltasound id hate to bring this up but that was way too low...saying iam not an artist?
wow! thats some nerve honestly have you not been reading the posts...iam not the same kinda artist you are..i dont use the tools you do,i dont wanna be a good modeller, i love lighting subjects,i love rendering, i love post work,i really dont have an keen interest in modelling,i come from a photograhy background...iam not trying to make you understand me...id like you to take that me not being an artist bit back...thats alil too low even for you.Are you the highest authority to judge me? i respect your opinion i jus dont agree with how you say it.

This totally true. Feysless, you say you are learning. Well, learning isnt taking premade models. So its not art. So dont type long post saying you are an artist. You are not. But you can learn. Good luck :buttrock:

[feysless]

its true and this is wat iam doing now,this piece is just 1 out of many check my folio,it may not be the best. Im now creating ads using poser where photography is a hastle we offer the option to previs and create the concept in poser seting the lights and all, the client gets a good idea of the work sometimes the renders are really good the client decides he will go with the render rather then do the photography.
Thanx
Hmm a good way to improve yourself would be taking a similar photo and analyze it. Where does the light come from, how soft is the shading, why does it looks like how it looks, colors, composition etc.

Cheers
André

[feysless]

This is sad, please take alook at my gallery id appreciate if you think all my work is low quality, and if it is please tell me why not becouse its poser, tell me i got the lighting wrong, or i rendered at low quality... if poser was sooo easy then id make perfect renders anyway.
Please iam asking you all stop judging my work based on the sofware i used but how i used it.
CG society has an obligation to artists as artist not as the tools they use?
how would you now your good? unless you saw work you felt wasnt good?
its wrong to say that as an artist iam not entitled to people telling me what they feel its just how they do it that is the issue here?

Ive been a member of cg networks since 2004 and i dont think ive ever said some1s work is shit..they post their work here hoping to improove,they trust you and me to make them better...not destroy them to fulfill our egos.
Some1 may have taken weeks to make a piece,he or she puts their souls into it inspired by an artist right here on cg society and finally when they feel its ready they post it...jus to be told by that same artist who inspired you that its crap...jus cos he is better?



I personally just dont get why this brand of low quality work is allowed here in the first place, but there is nothing we can do about it...

If no one comments on any of these types of posts in the future, what will happen? They will fall off the face of the earth, and they get forgotten about...This is the way to handle things you hate that are posted here, just ignore them completely...

You people need to grow the hell up and act like adults...

[feysless]

Thank you, this is very helpful. I will post the final poster concept the render was used in and why it is the way it is...i realise i need to show how and where the renders are used so as there is more understanding. I agree i dint pay too much detail to the renderstage assuming post will takecare of it. I will check out the tutorial thanx.
As for the tatoo it was provided for me by the client i mapped it on the texture, it may be possible it wasnt original.
Thanx for pointing that out, i did have an original tatoo but client insisted.i will post the original and you can tell me if its better.

as a result is this imege good or bad.

i think it's not good but not because of using poser. it's because you didn't paid attention to the details. it's not realistic. tatoo is not good enough ( and i think it's not ur design anyway couse i think i saw this tatoo in google )

bu if u what to get better try to do tutorials that can be found by siply typing 3d tutorials in google sarch bar.

[Neox3d]

hey feysless, buddy I think you will do just fine, i appreciate that you are learning max and zbrush, i think it will help you greatly as you would have more control on your models, but keep postin, dont let anyone keep you down, no body is your judge i personally think, that crits should be to help the artists not to de-moralize them, anyhow let me tell you, that poser can be very good,
---(This is for Anti-Poser people's Group) Some poser entries were even published in the ballistic's media, i think, exotique or Expose'.

So dont lose heart, you will do just fine. I have checked your portfolio its very nice.

[feysless]

i,ve re-uploaded the image having taken some of your tips to consideration. This is the final Poster i did try and put all your input into it

Ive croped the image alil at the bottom getting rid of the wierd shape and blured the jagged edges i had,i still maintain the grainy feel i wanted for the poster.

the tatoo is my initial original,its my own art done in illustrator then set on the map.
After alil research ive found the tatoo map i was provided by client was indeed not his own.

Thank you all.
http://features.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/128190/128190_1197350865_medium.jpg

[feysless]

i,ve re-uploaded the image having taken some of your tips to consideration. This isnt final i will bring in the final poster soon as its done.

Ive croped the image alil at the bottom getting rid of the wierd shape and blured the jagged edges i had,i still maintain the grainy feel i wanted for the poster.

the tatoo is my initial original,its my own art done in illustrator then set on the map.
After alil research ive found the tatoo map i was provided by client was indeed not his own.

Thank you all.

[feysless]

i,ve re-uploaded the image having taken some of your tips to consideration. This isnt final i will bring in the final poster soon as its done.

Ive croped the image alil at the bottom getting rid of the wierd shape and blured the jagged edges i had,i still maintain the grainy feel i wanted for the poster.

the tatoo is my initial original,its my own art done in illustrator then set on the map.
After alil research ive found the tatoo map i was provided by client was indeed not his own.

Thank you all.

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