enviroment: small piece of the whole

[wayfaerer]

The tree looks very good! A little bit darker and it would fit to Sleepy Hollow! The thinner branches look a bit irregular. Is it going to have leaves?

[rrobert]

Nice, but look at the edges...to sharp. I wouldn't use Vray..
But that is your own choice. good work :thumbsup:

[Vash T Stampede]

great work....More grass!!!
:scream:

[rrobert]

yep, more grass indeed.
Can still see the grond..:shrug:

[Xaya]

i wouldn´t say it´s too sharp but it´s sharp that´s right!

well,
vray (only have a demo)
i really like the GI and the displace-rendering is also nice IMO

but you also right
i read a few minutes ago that displacement-mapping
in vray isn´t developed fully and it´s slow
(u can read it on www.vray.info)

well i also have brazil but i haven´t got success aiming a good lightning....
and the displace. isn´t the same .... don´t know why
(perhaps because of the better GI of vray)

Xaya :p

[podoba]

looks really good.. so make a textures
i prefer procedural then foto...

[Xaya]

more grass???

don´t think so... (or?)

i mentioned i do some wasteland at this area.... only few grass
(also the rendering time isn´t a good choice to make more grass
- i want to do some animations, you should know :D )

THX

Xaya

[Xaya]

grrrrrrr........

is there any option to accelerate displacement map + gi ???
(desided to choose brazil instead of vray)

i´m going to be crazy
max crashes every 15 min
but i don´t know why

the grass rendering takes too much time... and so on

Xaya


:annoyed: :annoyed: :annoyed:

[Xaya]

well,

i don´t go forward,
i haven´t got much time, max crashes too often
(while testing modeling/texturing experiments)

well i also have problems to get what i want have

here is a sketch i drew with pencil
(to much twists/too much branches, i know ;) )
it should shown a scene of the landscape
(it is just a little part of the whole :D )
perhabs i show u more sketches (we will see)

the problem is: how can i get realistic cliff?
i tested displacement mapping but i don´t
get good results and it is so slow..
and 3ds max displacement isn´t the best IMO
but i have to use it nevertheless


the ocean is more or less completed....

so if you have a solution ... ;)

http://members.lycos.co.uk/xaya/2DSC200474.jpg

PS: what´s the best technique to model the cliff/ landscape??
(by now, i did all with polys but it takes soo long...
a displacement/relief map isn´t good here in my opinion...)

[blindsleeper]

you can get really good results w/o gi, and besides, gi is notoriously slow... i would suggest doing manual lighting, though i dont have any tips for this...

[Xaya]

you are right blindsleeper,
i already thought about this problem...

i will change it next time
(i even saw that GI and the water surface doesn´t look as good as witout /normal light)

i read a lot about non-GI lightning-techniques in the last weeks

but at the moment i haven´t got the time do test my new knowledge...

THX

XAya

[Xaya]

no more replies? :annoyed:

[Xaya]

well,
big update...
i did the landscape i had in my head
and i think the result is quite good.

i used: e-light for lightning (only bump map / no texture)

Xaya



http://members.lycos.co.uk/xaya/hpbimg/landscapeun.jpg

[Xaya]

:annoyed: :annoyed: ....

critizise me!!!

[Clave]

I think it's coming on well. Maybe the grass could be more irregular ie: had some bare patches with no grass at all, and vary the height of the rest...:)

[Xaya]

small update...

http://members.lycos.co.uk/xaya/nast.jpg

:p

[JonasNoell]

The way you did the ground is REALLY very realistic. Can't wait to see it textured :thumbsup:

[r2d3]

looks good maybe some water to surround it ?

[Xaya]

thank you for replies!

well,
yes i want to do some water (ocean)
in front of the cliff
but how to aim a good solution???
I mean, perhaps it looks a little strange if the water just goes up and down.
For realism i would need high tides splashing on the cliff.
Do i need some stuff like "Realwave" or can i do it also with max-intern possiblities???

THX

Xaya

[Xaya]

well, no help?

I already started to model a new tree, which i want to place on the edge on the cliff
(similar in looking to the first one at this thread, but bigger, more boughs/branches and more roots...)

this one i did by hand i am not happy with the result... (150k)

http://members.lycos.co.uk/xaya/ffdsdd.jpg

i thought i want to have a forest at the background... (spruces)
but how to do them...???
should i use planes for the branches (texture and alpha-map)
or is there a better solution or a good plugin...

[rrobert]

MY GOD!! :eek:

How did you ever acieve (spelled right??) that realism of the rocks????
Explanation please. :applause:

[borchert]

Man that looks Gr8 !!

I would like to see some wire of the ground !!

[rrobert]

INDEED!
.. is it bumpmap or actually wireframe??? interesting... :)

[Xaya]

I am happy that you like it!

The exact way i achieve this look, i want to keep in secret
(perhaps i explain it sometimes... :D)

well i used both bump mapping and edgy modelling...

The lightning isn´t perfect... i work on it...
i also will add textures next time


Is there nobody how can help me with my problems...

THX

Xaya

PS:I will add wireframe-image tomorrow

[Wi_2]

well,

for the forest I would just use low poly trees (3 sided branches etc.)

but it depends on the density of your forest
otherwise use a real forest (photo).

and common..

please tell us how u did it!!
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[rrobert]

Originally posted by Xaya
The exact way i achieve this look, i want to keep in secret
(perhaps i explain it sometimes... :D)

Ahem.....:shame: That is not very nice of you to say this I think..

Unless it is a GREAT discovery. :shrug:

But you don't have to explain is.. then we will just admire your work!

By the way: "Es ist sehs nett !!! " (good german??) :p :p :p

[Xaya]

well, here is a small update (tweaked the tree, but isn´t final)

http://members.lycos.co.uk/xaya/asta.jpg

mhh,
i don´t know if i should use somethink like only texture-shapes for the forest...
it would be the easiest way but probably not the best...

on the other side i want to do an animation with this scene...
and the rendertime is around 1-3 min, at the moment...
i will at first test the textureshapes (for forest)
and when it isn´t as good as i want to have it
i model some trees....

well the secret.......:lightbulb
ok i think i can say it to u,
i mean i really learned much from u guys at this forum...
and ok
the trick is:
use a noise-modif.
and mesh-smooth
and a good bump map
that´s all...

:p :p

@Straightmark
not good german, but i know what u mean...:D THX

Xaya
PS: some good plugins to make the shapetextureforest realistic

[Xaya]

I had some trouble with the upload at my webhost

well,
here is a update,
the ocean and sky was modifiered in painter (nice effect IMO)

i haven´t found any plugin for the forest,
perhaps somebody can help me with this one and give me some tips...

http://members.fortunecity.de/xaya/wip2.jpg

Xaya

[Xaya]

Does the last link work???

Just ask because a frend of me got a error message....
and nobody replied until no....

:rolleyes:

[Xaya]

the same as in the last.... i think the last didn´t work

http://members.lycos.co.uk/xaya/wip2.jpg

many replies, please!!!

[Beechdbum]

this is great what but what about that wire, and all the links worked for me

[Xaya]

Originally posted by Beechdbum
this is great what but what about that wire, and all the links worked for me

yes, i promised that i show u some wire-frame-images,
but it´s nothing special...

nevertheless, tomorrow i will show them :cool:

[Xaya]

ok here is a wireframeshot
it´s all without meshsmooth (= what i had to model...)

http://members.lycos.co.uk/xaya/wire1.jpg

Xaya :shrug:

[rrobert]

Haha easy to show us the wire without the mesh smooth. It much more clear to see what you really made WITH the mesh smooth. That would give us the right impression..

(Okay, I know. I'll stop wining and complaining) :p :p

[Xaya]

mhhh, well i thought u can imagine the meshsmooth...

ok, here is an image WITH meshsmooth (iteration 4)
(although iteration 3 is enough...)


http://members.lycos.co.uk/xaya/wire2.jpg

:cool:

[Xaya]

mhh, self-discussions isn´t my favour, but no matter...

I downloaded the plant/flora program xfrog for a while (trail version),
the results are awesome but the polycount too...
xfrog tune (for poly tweaking) is good but
the thought that i want to get a forest and do a animation
kills the linear idea...

at the moment import the trees which i made in xfrog to 3ds max
and render them in front-view ... so i get textures and alphamaps
(or is there a good resource-page with such textures???)

perhaps somebody can help me... or just critizise.... :D

Xaya

[Xaya]

fast update,

i added trees in the background (one-side shapes)

the atmoshere isn´t as good as in the last one
(the wrong atmosphere):

http://members.lycos.co.uk/xaya/wip2.jpg

but also nice IMO
I will probably use scatter to place the trees irregularly...next time

don´t know if this method works good for animation but i will see

http://members.lycos.co.uk/xaya/wip4.jpg


Xaya

[midnight]

Your rockmodel really rocks! :buttrock:

I really like the rough look it got, very nice work :)

[Xaya]

thx,

well i will work on the textures now...
i change the material (for the beach)
add some grass (find a good (and free) plugin called:
grass-o-matic

I simultanly work on with my old female character
(is a character in the story... but just have to learn rigging and skinning... :D )

c&c please

Xaya

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