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fandalis
04-14-2003, 04:14 PM
am focusing on making images using only photoshop
filters. here's one of my study. suggestion and comments
is a great help. tnx.

http://www.pinoysite.com/education/fandalis/orb.jpg

theGuest
04-14-2003, 06:42 PM
That's a good image for being PS only. Nice job thus far.

One thing that strikes me right off is that there's no 'glow' effect seen on the side pillars coming from the intensity of that orb. Something tells me that orb would throw off some ombient light... so try throwing abit around in certain area of the image -- starting with the pillars.

:)

singularity2006
04-14-2003, 07:31 PM
how would u do it without filters? Heh, a small lil thing, but if you're using ONLY filters, how do u get shapes? So basically I would say ur just using all of photoshop to do that... not just filters.... hehehe, that is MAD cool. ^.^"

i mean hey, how else could u do that w/out filters?? :beer:

Web Guy
04-14-2003, 10:19 PM
All in Photoshop..I have spent some time on this on and off thru the last past week.

Before...
http://www.sfxdigital.com/gfx/BW.jpg


After...
http://www.sfxdigital.com/gfx/image_color3.jpg

singularity2006
04-14-2003, 11:36 PM
I am not absolutely positive, but I believe you can get a much more realistic color tone in less time if you do more modifications using hue/saturation, levels, and curves ... the colorized image looks very painterly... which is a good effect if that is what you are aiming, but if you are trying to get that black and white original photo (I assume it is a photo) to look like a color photo, doing a color replace (which is what it looks like u used), may not necessarily be the best approach... but that is VERY nice for a painterly effect... pastel kinda. I forgot all my arts1a stuff, so dunno the terminology... but there is an artistic style to that. :beer:

Web Guy
04-15-2003, 02:19 AM
Ya Ya Ya.. Anyone could have done a hue and saturation on it. I went thru and tried to give it that Oil Painting look and feel. His hair was done with brush strokes and as wise as his eyes, lips, mustache, and all hair on him. His jacket, tie and shadows have all been redone and also allot of blending so the face and background did not stand out. I can show you the other 10 images and show the progression of the work from start to finish. You should see the steps involved to get that look and to not make it look like you just colored a face. The eye brows and most of all of his facial features were hand done to give it more of a realistic oil feel and so were the colors.

And when it came to coloring allot of it, it involved hue, saturation, color replacing, and a few other techiniques. But some time I had to do the same steps multiple times to get the look I was looking for.

fandalis
04-15-2003, 06:56 AM
hey! sorry that i sounded to general... ok lets divide the
task ;) . i think it's 88% filters, 2% channel, 2% glow,
2% stroke and 6% dodge and burn. i did the shapes
with emboss filter.

fandalis
04-15-2003, 07:05 AM
i think the concern why i made this study is
to maximize the use of filters. how far can this
tool go??? that's why i'm asking some more
techniques... maybe some other resources...
another reason is saving on the use of
pictures... eheh

fandalis
04-15-2003, 03:17 PM
ok. here's an image i borrowed from the web.



i'll try replicate this image using the potentials of
filters. i will also post my wip and maybe get some
feedback or if u like you can also join me by posting
your own versions and maybe we can interact. :rolleyes:
is this a good idea???

Web Guy
04-15-2003, 04:40 PM
Nope... Pick some better images than that.:p All of that hokey pokey stuff...pffffffff

JonasNoell
04-15-2003, 08:22 PM
Hmm dunno, I personally always try to avoid filters. Everybody who knows a big of Photoshop can see which filters you used, beside that filters can be used by really everybody, so it has not much to do with skill. Just my 2 -cents...

Stroker
04-15-2003, 08:48 PM
This could turn into a mess. Until I find the words, I'll leave you with Lil' Bowser.
http://w3.chrlmi.cablespeed.com/~halmich/ozone/littlebowser.gif

Web Guy
04-15-2003, 09:19 PM
Stroker....Funny:beer:

Stroker
04-16-2003, 12:22 AM
So I can see some Clouds/Difference Clouds and Lighting Effects. Seeing those filters as being used doesn't really bother me. I would, however, like to see things a little more polished and broken up (if that makes sense).

Here, let's look at that stony background for a minute. Difference Clouds and Lighting Effects - uniform and boring. The height map needs to be tweaked!

Start another Alpha channel and do the Clouds/Difference Clouds combo until happy. Go back to the height map, load the other Clouds alpha channel as a selection, and Guass or something. Some parts of the rock will be jagged, and some parts will be smooth. Toss in some other stuff.

Here is 10 minute rock texture:
http://w3.chrlmi.cablespeed.com/~halmich/ozone/rock1.jpg
Started out with Clouds/Difference Clouds and Lighting Effects, then I made it better by beating it up. At least I think it's better, but could stand a few more tweaks.

How obvious is the process of how I made it? Does it look good enough to matter that you can figure it out?

Man, I'm making a mess of this post. Too many ideas and thoughts in my head to keep it all straight.

Fandalis, I think it's great that you are getting into the stock filters. It's great that you do have some colour variance in there. However, I would like to see some more "mixing it up" with other things that PS has to offer.

Blah!

play.fiddle.learn

PS for the curious. When I made Lil' Bowser, I only used 2 filters: Difference Clouds and Polar Coords.

fandalis
04-16-2003, 06:20 AM
i picked an easy subject first so even those new to filters can follow. do you have any suggestion to this or an image where
we can start up? i'll try to look for another image to replace
the first one too ;) .

fandalis
04-16-2003, 09:04 AM
how about try to make this flat woman image real
using photoshop filter? can place ornaments,
embroidery, textile textures, ect... (just my suggestion
or if u have any idea) ;)

just for filter practice, eh!?

i'll post some of my wip images and if you want
to join you can post your versions too. :thumbsup:

http://www.pinoysite.com/education/fandalis/1old_woman.jpg

JonasNoell
04-16-2003, 09:46 AM
Lol dunno, don't waste your time by trying to do this granny look 3dimensional by using filter. Try to do the same by working 'by hand' that is, what is really impressive, because you created an individual piece, that only YOU could do. It's not like pressing some buttons and let the computer do the work...

fandalis
04-16-2003, 10:45 AM
hey! let's set aside "for arts sake first". i posted this
thread for filter practice. i can do this by wacom (brushes, ect...)
but as i said i just want to maximize the potential of
filters. maybe we can discover a procedure or something
through this thread then apply it later for art. ;)

hope u get my point.

fandalis
04-16-2003, 11:04 AM
i picked this image because of the bumps and
textures that can be applied + the many variations
that can be done (eg. ornaments, textiles, bg, ect.).

JonasNoell
04-16-2003, 02:33 PM
Hehe well ok, go for it, I stay tuned for the finished result ;)

fandalis
04-16-2003, 03:15 PM
here's the first attempt -- making the shape of the head
filters used:
- gaussian blur
- lighting effect in blue channel
- noise

Web Guy
04-16-2003, 03:55 PM
That looks like CRAP....Filters are for noobs.....

JonasNoell
04-16-2003, 04:49 PM
Be tolerant, this guy knows drawing. I think this is a quite intersting study, go on like this, this thread is getting interesting. I would like to know how you got that different skin colors by just using filter, you must have used the pencil or burne and dodge, didn't you?

Stroker
04-16-2003, 06:35 PM
Guess I'm a noob for using filters. Maybe I'm also a noob for having cheap colourizing skills.
http://w3.chrlmi.cablespeed.com/~halmich/ozone/colourizeman1.jpg
Amazing what a noob like me can do in 15 minutes.

Keep playing with filters, Fandalis. Messing around is a big part of the learning process. But please don't forget about the other things that makes PS such a wonderful tool.

play.fiddle.learn

Web Guy
04-16-2003, 08:04 PM
Your kidding with the coloring skills correct? Mine was done with everything but filters and has that oil pastel painting look I was going for. It was allot of work to get it to this point, not just some color change or some hue and saturation changes...

http://www.sfxdigital.com/gfx/image_color3.jpg

JonasNoell
04-16-2003, 08:36 PM
I prefer Strokers version :wip:

Web Guy
04-16-2003, 08:49 PM
Are you kidding? With his grey ear and red face and simple lasso tool and a hue change?...lol:rolleyes:

Wow my 5 year old son could do that already...

This was my first go at it and then forward from there.
http://www.sfxdigital.com/gfx/image_color.jpg

And by the way, the guy in the photo is not dark complected. He is Australian and I think the photo was taken during or near World War II and that is why the black and white photo quality is so bad.

whitejake
04-16-2003, 10:03 PM
First off, Web Guy, this was fandalis' post and you came in and posted your little picture thing that, seeing as you say you didn't use filters, really has no point to even be there. And then when someone else shows something they made, just as you did, you tell them it sucks because who knows why. Good for you that you made yours with the oil pastel look you say you were going for. Obviously Stroker wasn't going for that effect. So, good for you that you can make a black and white picture colored and looking like oil pastel, but you dont need to tell someone else they suck for using filters or something to make their's look how they want it.

JonasNoell
04-16-2003, 10:26 PM
dito...

Stroker
04-17-2003, 12:44 PM
Web Guy: CRAP
Stroker: cheap colourizing skills
Web Guy: Now I'm mad

Mine has around 6 layers. One is the base colouring, so changing his complection is only a few mouse clicks away. The other layers were used for indirectly manipulting HSB in various ways with various Blending Modes. Any artist worth his weight in salt will tell you that tonal variation is a very good thing - even one that uses oils.

Certaintly amusing, but I'm done hi-jacking Fan's thread.

fandalis
04-21-2003, 05:54 AM
hey, thanks for all the replies... ;)

i'm sorry for the delayed reply because of the long
vacation.

first of all, the image i posted was only my first attempt
with only one layer (to early to judge the final outcome).
i did this only for the base layer to get the values and
tones. and i want to do this step by step...

thanks for your interest cANt ;) , regarding the procedure,
i did not use pencil, dodge or burn tool. i just selected granny's
face then gaussian blur then lighting effect filter in blue channel.
inside lighting effect i played with some colored directional light
(i think that's the reason for the skins variety of colors).

for Web Guy, i think we are dealing here with a different subject.
;). the australian guy you posted is already a picture, that's the
big difference. the granny image i'm working with is terribly FLAT.
that's why i'm asking you if you have any ideas or suggestion
maybe you can contribute in this study.

i'll be posting another image later.

thanks

fandalis
04-21-2003, 07:24 AM
here's another update:

- added a high pass filter layer to control the dark portions
of the shadow.
- adjusted layer options so that the high pass filter layer
blends with the other layers.
- adjusted color balance.

http://www.pinoysite.com/education/fandalis/old_woman3.jpg

fandalis
04-21-2003, 08:16 AM
added a simple background with median and blur filters.

fandalis
04-21-2003, 09:34 AM
created a test bump map channel for lighting effects filter.

fandalis
04-21-2003, 12:22 PM
worked with the eyes. filters; zoom, wind, blur +
a little eraser. ;)

fandalis
04-21-2003, 01:55 PM
worked with the nose. filters; lighting effects, blur +
a little eraser.

http://www.pinoysite.com/education/fandalis/old_woman7.jpg

JonasNoell
04-21-2003, 07:40 PM
The images don't show up for me :shrug:

fandalis
04-22-2003, 08:05 AM
uploaded the fix. at least you can see the last image.
i'm having some problems with my host. :annoyed:

fandalis
04-22-2003, 11:21 AM
added all up:
- lips with blur tool
- clothes with texture, shear, pinch, ect...

http://www.pinoysite.com/education/fandalis/final01.jpg
image still for final retouch. :)

fandalis
04-22-2003, 12:28 PM
here's my final output...

http://www.pinoysite.com/education/fandalis/last03.jpg
adjusted the color + dodge and burn

here's the raw image
http://www.pinoysite.com/education/fandalis/1old_woman.jpg

fandalis
04-22-2003, 02:22 PM
:hmm:

? why do i seldomly see this tool used
to create images.

? is this tool's role mostly to accent design
or make fancy effects.

;) just wondering.

Web Guy
04-22-2003, 03:19 PM
Looks all blury to me...But other wise good try!

Stroker
04-22-2003, 03:56 PM
? why do i seldomly see this tool used
to create images.

What tool?

fandalis
04-23-2003, 10:42 AM
got to fix it again... having problems with my host.

fandalis
04-24-2003, 02:47 PM
already made the fix... :bounce:
that redrival account gives me a headache!!! :annoyed:

hope u can view the images by now... :)

fandalis
04-24-2003, 02:53 PM
? why do i seldomly see this tool used to create images --- What tool?

the stock of filters

JonasNoell
04-24-2003, 03:33 PM
Didn't think that you could ever do something like this ONLY by using filters. You did a nice job on the nose, it's already looking great so far, my only critics are the skin (color and structure) and the eyes (anatomy and color).

Keep it up!

fandalis
04-25-2003, 05:15 AM
thanks. ;)

think i need some reference now for the skin and folds.
and after this, want to do some more interesting subject :thumbsup:

phoenix2k
04-29-2003, 03:39 PM
hey... that looks quite impressive for "filter only" work... :)

Mr_Lunchbox
04-30-2003, 12:00 AM
This was done with a couple specks of blue applied with standard brushes, then a bunch of filters, then a simple paste of a picture of the world. Mindblowingly simple in actuality.
http://www.eshelps.com/web/personal/wetdogx2/inv.jpg

Actually... this involves no filters whatsoever. This is just some nice colors and brushes, and the text tool. More simplicity. Just wanted to show what you can do with such little effort.
http://www.eshelps.com/web/personal/wetdogx2/evo.jpg

This started out as a 500x500 canvas with the left half black and the right half white. 3 hours of just filters, and I got this far.
http://www.eshelps.com/web/personal/wetdogx2/hth.jpg

Now this skank here... it was a Porsche with about 2 filters... then a pattern overlay via multiplying, and after the fonts, I had myself a pretty decent Porsche ad, for no reason.
http://www.eshelps.com/web/personal/wetdogx2/Porsche.jpg

This started out like the third one. Half-black, half-white. Filter after filter, I get this thing. Filters can do an awful awful lot for pictures.
http://www.eshelps.com/web/personal/wetdogx2/sbd.jpg

These were all done with Photoshop, by the by. In case there was any doubt.

singularity2006
04-30-2003, 07:39 AM
Originally posted by fandalis
here's another update:

- added a high pass filter layer to control the dark portions
of the shadow.
- adjusted layer options so that the high pass filter layer
blends with the other layers.
- adjusted color balance.

http://www.pinoysite.com/education/fandalis/old_woman3.jpg

lol dude, that pic gave me a bit of a jump... scared me!! :shame:

fandalis
04-30-2003, 09:10 AM
Pheonix2k - thanks for your remark! just trying here to do some
images with filters only. ;) the idea here is the other use of this
tool other than making effects and accenting designs.

Mr_Lunchbox - nice experiment with filters! just know this tool
like yourself and you can do images you want with a few clicks.
the third image may take longer than 3 hours if you did it
manually. hehehe

Singularity2006 - i too got scared of with this granny when i
was halfway making it. want to do some more interesting
and not scary study next time. :thumbsup:

illOgic
05-01-2003, 10:20 PM
had to give a go to the dude, cool pic. anyways, i went for the tinted look, old timey pics that have been colored. about 4 layers, base color is a multiply layer from there, opacity...etc. anyways.

http://www.ghostopsmod.com/pix/illogic/guy.jpg

fandalis
05-12-2003, 12:27 PM
some bark texture studies :)

http://www.pinoysite.com/education/fandalis/bark.jpg

bumskee
05-14-2003, 03:21 AM
hey great textures, like the 3rd one,
would it be rude if i asked you how u did it???
or is this like random kind of experimenting or with brief direction of where you wanna go kind of experimenting?
just curious.

i guess i have made a nice image accidently messing with filters, but had trouble trying to reproduce the image, as i forgot what the steps were.

well keep this thread alive, got some interesting stuff here i thnk we can all learn from.!

:beer:

fandalis
05-14-2003, 08:30 AM
hi there bumskee!

thanks for your interest in this thread! what i do is i list down
the procedures when i'm making a targeted effect so i won't forget.

here's the steps for the third effect:
- render clouds
- crystalize
- watercolor
- craquelure
- lighting effects
- then just play with the adjustments and channels...

==============================================

:) posting some of your "procedural filter" techniques in this thread is most
welcome.

tnx

phoenix2k
05-19-2003, 06:39 PM
"thanks for your interest in this thread! what i do is i list down
the procedures when i'm making a targeted effect so i won't forget."

theres actually a history function in photoshop (7) which does that for you :)...

Goatfuzz
05-19-2003, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by Goatfuzz

1. http://www.geocities.com/mentalrabbitus/thingy2.jpg.txt
2. http://www.geocities.com/mentalrabbitus/thingy3.jpg.txt
3. http://www.geocities.com/mentalrabbitus/thingy4.jpg.txt
:curious:

Previous post of mine in the ''Can Anyone Justify the Use of F*lters?'' thread.

bumskee
05-19-2003, 10:30 PM
ooooo, nice nice
tell us how u did it!!!
i mean it's great, so how about sharing some of those wisdom with the rest of the people here!


:beer:

Goatfuzz
05-19-2003, 11:21 PM
-bumskee-
*nervously thinks*... I wish I could remember. I half painted and half filtered as I went, so I can't remember all of the steps (damn I wish I had written them down). I'm sorry. *smacks himself silly* :argh: :cry:
-You can clearly see my use of <lighting effects> though. (I remembered one, yay!) ;)

A couple others that I used filters to improve:
-http://www.geocities.com/mentalrabbitus/rust1.jpg.txt
-one a couple minutes ago (not pretty but oh well...)http://www.geocities.com/mentalrabbitus/wooden2.jpg.txt

I'm not as proud about those two, but I figured I might as well show them. :shrug:
-<lighting effects> are my favorite and most used filters (which is very evident)

Goatfuzz
05-19-2003, 11:45 PM
I know I used <crystallize> (under <pixelate>) and <ink outlines> somewhere in that one image (the good one, first post ;)). I don't know if that helps at all...
-I was trying to re-create it just now and am having a hell of a time doing so (I'm kicking myself for not recording the steps).

-sorry for the double post-

bumskee
05-20-2003, 01:36 AM
goatfu
:D

yes, it's damn too easy to forget how you did anything, I used to do that all the time. So i can really understand how u feel. Even with the record and all these mad functions on PS7, i just can't be bothered..:surprised

yeah! great stuff man, i was just thinking the second (the really long slim) one would really be sleek for a wall paper, yeah i like that one a lot. i think i made the small pink one before or similar...

well here is one i remeber very well,
i guess you could use cloud to start off but i prefer gradient (difference) dun know why, blur and then liquidify with huge brush so you can sort of control the flow. then just chrome, dup layer plastic wrap (too common) , overlay and there u go.
the only one i seem to remember anything else is a wild guess for me..


:beer:

Goatfuzz
05-20-2003, 02:22 AM
-bumskee-
That looks really neat! (plus you managed to show the steps, unlike myself:D).
-Thanks for the comments by the way! :beer:

(I'm using PS6 right now)

fandalis
05-20-2003, 07:34 AM
theres actually a history function in photoshop (7) which does that for you

yes ofcourse, but need to write down what's happening inside the filter. ehehe ;)

fandalis
05-20-2003, 03:03 PM
:beer:

Goatfuzz
05-20-2003, 11:01 PM
Another image with filter aid (almost all filter actually). Maybe it'll become a banner, I don't know...
http://www.geocities.com/mentalrabbitus/dots1.jpg.txt

-I like your bark textures fandalis, 2nd and 3rd specifically.
:beer:

bumskee
05-21-2003, 01:38 AM
goatfuzz!, great stuff man, are u gonna tell us how u did it??
just curious dat's all..i can guess the brush strokes - accented edges :beer:

i made this yesterday, i am trying to remember the steps but nothing is registering..damn

Goatfuzz
05-21-2003, 03:20 AM
-bumskee-
Thanks man! :beer:
i can guess the brush strokes - accented edges
Quite right, then after that you go to patchwork (under texture). That'll give you the tiny squares (I actually like this filter quite a bit :D). My memory is kinda hazy after that, but you just need to play with it a bit (once you have those two things done; obviously you need some sort of blob to start with though).
-I might need to start recording what I do, but that would take all of the fun out of it for me. ;)
-nice image by the way bumskee :)

fandalis
05-21-2003, 07:54 AM
Nice textures!!!

i want to do some compo now to
apply some of my studies. :lightbulb



:lightbulb :lightbulb :lightbulb :lightbulb :wip:

05-24-2003, 01:04 AM
awesome!~i like it ~

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