Secrets of Swimsuit Babe

[mummey]

*sigh*

As if the world of cg needed to perpetuate the stereotypes even more...

[richcz3]

Hey the guys from Antartica, cut him some slack. :D

There's a fair amount of women themed banners of late (and cue in Exotique). If someone can make ideal swimsuit men cg models :argh: - more power to them. Truth is the female form in its various incarnations and styles just blows the male form away - any way any given day.

[RockstarKate]

I enjoy the juxtaposition of this article next to the Women in CG article. Pretty much says it all.

There's a lot of good info in this tutorial though. Too bad it's title will scare some people away.

[Boone]

Its a good model. Not overbaked like most cg female characters and kept simple. Its also nice that Jim has given notes on his workings.

Face it, there are jobs out there that require us to model the odd beauty or two to sell something. Covers for books, video game boxes etc. This is supposed to be a professional site so it makes sense to do something that sell our services to potential employers. You cant beat supply and demand. Just think about F1 cars: they seem naked without the odd Page-3 girl presenting them...its all part of the fun of advertising:D

The only thing I would crit is the mist in the background as it doesnt seem to fit in right somehow. Other than that, a fantastic job.

[CaptainObvious]

Truth is the female form in its various incarnations and styles just blows the male form away - any way any given day.
Eh, I'm not sure I agree. The male body can make for a very interesting subject as well, even for aesthetic reasons.

[Mic_Ma]

Researchers at Penn State University found out that male turkeys would attempt to mate with lookalike dummies. They found that the males were still highly aroused when presented with no more than a head on a stick.

I suggest we in the CG community should do similar experiments with young male artists and CG babes. I suggest we start off with a tight blonde chick and remove polys and reduce texture size while at the same time growing breast radius.

Anybody working at a university?

[richcz3]

Eh, I'm not sure I agree. The male body can make for a very interesting subject as well, even for aesthetic reasons.Of course we all have opinion. It's just my view looking at the general populous and most specificaly from a marketing standpoint, the male form plays second fiddle. I can look in magazines and drive by multiple billboard signs here in LA and see it. It's on multiple levels. I would go so far as to say posting an ideal Female and ideal Male model for download that the Female form would get downloaded 3 if not 5 to 1 of the Male form.

There's nothing worng with the male form of course. I guess I'll change my view when I see male magazine equivalents of MAXIM or Stuff or better; see guys posing in bathing suits in enthusiasts magazines :argh:. Of course Babe booths at E3 will be missed. .... and so on and so forth :thumbsup:

[andyhalls123]

Very informative tutorial, thanks for posting.

[mummey]

I suggest we in the CG community should do similar experiments with young male artists and CG babes. I suggest we start off with a tight blonde chick and remove polys and reduce texture size while at the same time growing breast radius.

Anybody working at a university?

I think you just unintentionally described most 3D manga. ;)

[NovaKane]

Of course we all have opinion. It's just my view looking at the general populous and most specificaly from a marketing standpoint, the male form plays second fiddle. I can look in magazines and drive by multiple billboard signs here in LA and see it. It's on multiple levels. I would go so far as to say posting an ideal Female and ideal Male model for download that the Female form would get downloaded 3 if not 5 to 1 of the Male form.

There's nothing worng with the male form of course. I guess I'll change my view when I see male magazine equivalents of MAXIM or Stuff or better; see guys posing in bathing suits in enthusiasts magazines :argh:. Of course Babe booths at E3 will be missed. .... and so on and so forth :thumbsup:

I totally agree. :D
Then again not saying that the male body is not of interest (ofcourse it is).

[Mic_Ma]

I would go so far as to say posting an ideal Female and ideal Male model for download that the Female form would get downloaded 3 if not 5 to 1 of the Male form.


But surely it depends on the target audience?! I'm not a women but I guess they prefer looking at males rather than females and the male/female ratio in the population must be very near to 50/50.

And you know, theres nothing more lovely for a male dog than to unweave the delicious and complex smells of the, errr, "female dog's" bum. Nothing could possibly beat it. And I bet most gastropods don't give a dime for the shape of human females; displays of dizzying colorchanges are far more to their liking.

I must say I rather agree with the gastropods -if not dogs- because this swimsuit-female is as dull as anything. It's looks like straight from the 1980's with any tiny bit of character and surprise shaven off by a billion insurance-company-style management boards.

[francomanko]

Maybe

"dating an attractive woman is always a goal for most CG enthusiasts and here are the secrets"

would be better.


I have to say that all respect to the talent in creating images such as these, but the motivation behind the "swimsuit" or "lingerie" angle can be a little tiresome.

[CaptainObvious]

But surely it depends on the target audience?! I'm not a women but I guess they prefer looking at males rather than females and the male/female ratio in the population must be very near to 50/50.
Most women I know -- even the straight ones -- actually think women look better than men. Yes, they'd rather snog a guy than a gal, but for pure aesthetics, most think women look better than men.

But, you know, difference of opinion and all that. Men tend to have more visible sub-skin structure or whatever it's called (ie, muscles and bones affect the surface shape more), which can make for a very interesting shape. I guess I'm mostly undecided. :p

[yann22]

To be honest, I don't find the end result of this tutorial in any way compelling, to me it looks dead and cheap.

As for the superiority of the female form, I'm not so sure either: while I don't have any hard data on this, it seems undeniable to me that sculptors through the ages have had at least a slight preference for modeling the male form - now, this might have sociological and economic reasons, but I think that there are also undoubtedly aesthetic reasons. I wouldn't want to give preference to either, but I think disconnecting artistic and sensual desires is pretty helpful in general :D.

[RockstarKate]

No way, I'd rather look at a sexy man than a woman any day :)
But I have no desire to model a fully detailed man unless it would be for modeling practice- and I have some, um, doubts about the motives behind making a lot of the cg women I see.
I mean what use is a 3D model of a sexy man to me? I can't touch him or interact with him. Looking at a photo of a hot guy just doesn't appeal to women as much as it appeals to men. Sure it's nice to see some eye candy, but it isn't anything to get all obsessed with!

[richcz3]

But surely it depends on the target audience?! I'm not a women but I guess they prefer looking at males rather than females and the male/female ratio in the population must be very near to 50/50......
Simon Lundberg puts it well. Even women are drawn to the female form albeit for different reasons than a majority of men are.

Some years ago this debate was raised. That only guys drew women in an idealistic way. Then some people started posting links to numerous fantasy art sites frequented by women artists/designers. Most were medieval or simply fantasy type characters like elves. There were plenty of fantasy type female characters of which many of "idealistic proportions". There were far more women than men themed illustrations.

When I look at my niece and her friends anime illustrations a majority are girl characters. It just seems the defacto easiest form to be drawn toward at any age. (no pun intended).

[yann22]

Yeah, well, but in the great scheme of things, i.e. art and cultural history, such vogues and niches come and go. I don't think it says anything about art or anthropology.

[CaptainObvious]

About the whole "idealized proportions" thing, most people do that, both male and female artists.


I have some, um, doubts about the motives behind making a lot of the cg women I see
I would agree. "Poser art" is mostly scantly-clad chicks with big knockers, and it's usually rather crappy.


Looking at a photo of a hot guy just doesn't appeal to women as much as it appeals to men.
Most men aren't actually all that appealed by the concept of looking at photos of hot guys as you think. ;)

[Mic_Ma]

I do enjoy sitting on the perving lounge but I think am not the only artist who, when presented with a free choice, would rather model an ugly oily bloke with an interesting distribution of adipose tissue and a skin disease than, say, a lady whose range of parameters is averaged out to the most conformist and general "hot babe" ideal anyone cares to come up with.

A long time ago at art-school life-drawing classes it was kind of novel to stare at a naked woman, even though she was older than we wished for, but, alas, soon enough we realized that bumps and asymmetries were more interesting to draw.

Besides that, I don't think it does our art form any good to perpetuate skin-deep platitudes that add exactly zilch to our credibility and artistic acumen.

[robcat2075]

I guess I'll change my view when I see male magazine equivalents of MAXIM or Stuff or better; see guys posing in bathing suits in enthusiasts magazines

You've clearly overlooked the enormous selection of men's "fitness" magazines at the supermarket. It's not the great articles that are selling those. No, it's the pictures of men in swimsuits, men in tank tops, the ads of men in underwear. :blush:

Try selling a workout magazine without photographs and it will become apparent how much the audience wants those pictures.

[RockstarKate]

You've clearly overlooked the enormous selection of men's "fitness" magazines at the supermarket. It's not the great articles that are selling those. No, it's the pictures of men in swimsuits, men in tank tops, the ads of men in underwear. :blush:


I'd be willing to bet that 90% of those mags are sold to men :)

[robcat2075]

I'd be willing to bet that 90% of those mags are sold to men :)

How about 100%? Is our premise that imagery of men only counts if it's being bought by women? My money isn't any good? :love:


I think "300" showed the market for male imagery for men is potentially big. You just have to do it in some way that gives men "permission" to look at it.

But if we're just considering female consumers, I suppose there's all those Tiger-beat type magazines that cater to teenage girls.

[Buzzoff]

This was "News"?

[RockstarKate]

How about 100%? Is our premise that imagery of men only counts if it's being bought by women? My money isn't any good? :love:


I think "300" showed the market for male imagery for men is potentially big. You just have to do it in some way that gives men "permission" to look at it.

But if we're just considering female consumers, I suppose there's all those Tiger-beat type magazines that cater to teenage girls.

Not at all, I just misunderstood you. I thought we were talking about women not being as interested in looking at pics of men, and you were talking about how men want to look at pics of women AND men, which I think is completely true (though many men wouldn't admit that being afraid it would make them sound "gay"). :rolleyes:

[CIM]

Beating a dead horse is fun. :rolleyes:

[RockstarKate]

Beating a dead horse is fun. :rolleyes:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c15/rockstarkate/Beat_Dead_Horse.jpg

Replying to snarky posts with a poorly photoshopped picture from Google is even more fun :thumbsup:

[CIM]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c15/rockstarkate/Beat_Dead_Horse.jpg

Replying to snarky posts with a poorly photoshopped picture from Google is even more fun :thumbsup:

Is that a chimp. with cinnamon bun ears beating the dead horse?

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