Toon/Cell Shaders???

[ThirdEye]

Make a search for Shades Of Cel

[squidinc]

have a look at this thread kaiskai posted
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45875

[Per-Anders]

go to my website and download kai's shades of cel, and also go through my tutorial on cel shading and creating good thick outlines

http://www.peranders.com/c4d8

[Mahlikus]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

You guys rock! :buttrock:

Thanks a ton!!!

[thedoc]

nice i needed that too

[Mono Jojoy]

I still dont understand why someone wants to make something look like a cartoon while real 3D looks much nicer.

[wuensch]

rreal 3D is something you can touch ;-)
basically you are producing pixel-pictures .
Why would someone paint a picture when you can take a photo?
Olli

[Mono Jojoy]

Why would someone paint a picture when you can take a photo? I also dont know.
I find photos better.
Maybe because the guy or gal doesnt have a camera.:wise:
Anyway in the past during DaVinci's time there were no cameras, so they had to paint. ;)

[wuensch]

OK, anoher try:
why would you want to make a 3D picture of a pencil or an apple when its so easy to take a photograph (---i know: you wont, as you have it photographes--- I give up ;-)))

I am only glad the next generation growing up does not really care if its 2d (Manga) or 3D -realistic as long as its cool.


You know that with da Vinci you hit a nail:
when photography became available, art turned away from portraits and towards stylization & more abstract stuff--
and even today there are people that prefer a painting to hang on their wall rather than a photo.
Olli

[Siddhy]

Why make photographs when you have two eyes? I think reality is better :D

[Mono Jojoy]

yah man, you cant take pictures of people with little drawers coming out of their bodies and legs, like Dali's pictures. ;)

[BazC]

Try Bobtronic's Toony shader too, you'll need to create your outlines by another method but it's a cool shader!

http://www.bobtronic.de/

[bonsaichef]

Mattisse was surprised when he heard of the possibility of photographic pictures for the first time, only a few weeks before he passed away.
Modigliani just could not afford a camera, Picasso lost the manual for his Leica, Klimt was afraid of these magical picture machines, he even refused to touch them.

that’s why these folks kept on painting although their paintings never showed any bodies with drawers. funny, isn’t it?

[wuensch]

Mattisse was surprised when he heard of the possibility of photographic pictures for the first time, only a few weeks before he passed away.
Modigliani just could not afford a camera, Picasso lost the manual for his Leica, Klimt was afraid of these magical picture machines, he even refused to touch them.

that’s why these folks kept on painting although their paintings never showed any bodies with drawers. funny, isn’t it?


What a luck for picasso that he lost his Leica-manual and had to start a career in painting then ;-).

[Mono Jojoy]

yepp, or Salador Dali. Picassos paintings are junk. All distorted and the eyes never in their place, but Dali could really paint. His paintings look like made with C4D.

[wuensch]

Picasso could paint as good as Dali when he was 12 years old, no kidding.
Picasso art is not junk, you are just being ignorant, thats all.
You dont have to like Picasso, but he has had more influence on todays magazine vignette-illustrations than any other artist out there.
http://arthistory.heindorffhus.dk/frame-picasso01-youth.htm

Olli

[Mono Jojoy]

you cant really say ignorant.
I am realist. I like realistic look although the reality can be a bit distorted like in Dali's pictures.
With respect to Picasso's pictures: I could draw that easily. Only problem: I am not famous. I dont know how picasso could become so famous with his talent to draw :(

Well, some are Picasso fans while others are Dali fans ;)

[wuensch]

Yes, you could draw that easily, I guess.
Thats why you will be spending your time doing bodys with drawers to revolutionize art-world.
guess you are a realist.
;-).

[Mono Jojoy]

ah, ollie, now you finally understand me :)
for a picasso you really dont need talent, just like me, I am a horrible painter and all my pics look distorted like Pisassos.
I just wished I could draw like Dali.
Nun, man kan eben nich ales koennen. :rolleyes:

[Nextor]

Sure.. there is a lot a modern art that a normal person can draw and paint even with limited skills.
But can they also get the idea ?

I think the beauty in art lays in looking at a piece and think "What were this guys thinking, when he did this" or "Is this guy trying to tell me something"

And then it is really not important if it is a photo, painting or a sculpture in magic dough.

Back to the discussion about Sketch and Toons. I do some technical illustrations and just trust me when i say that it easier to show how a piston works with ST than photo realism

And to the guys who prefer pictures instead of painting... why are you doing 3D... you can get a pretty good camera for the price of C4D ?

All the best
Nextor

[bobtronic]

Jorge, are you serious? You can't mean that you easily draw as good as Picasso.

http://www.bobtronic.de/pictures/misc/picasso.jpg


I don't like much of Picasso's later work but I love his older pictures.


Bob

[BazC]

Picasso could draw and paint like a master at the age of 13, he was a genius in the true sense of the word. His later cubist and other styles developed because he wanted to go beyond traditional painting.

Mind you Dali could paint a bit too! ;o)

[Mono Jojoy]

I could probably paint like picasso when he was already a bit 'riper'. Guess during the development people can become better or also worse.
Picasso became worse while Dali became better over time. ;)

Looks a bit like made with C4D, right?

[duderender]

Why are you being so critical as to the choice of medium that one wants to portray their art? Hacking Picasso, Dali or anyone for that matter is ridiculous.

Art is a subjective form, and it is also a form expression. Rather than discourage you need to put energy into encouraging. Don't question the artist and ridicule him on his choice of medium, instead look for what they intend to do and encourage them to the end.

[wuensch]

nextor hits the nail on the head:
apart from style & cool or not, 3Ds renderpower can also be a trap when presenting unfinished concepts.
As the photorealistic render will always be accepted as close-to-real, the discussion about a concept will easily be lost in details because the finished product will be expected to be exactly like it.
NPR gives a good way of doing presentation here, much like presenting hand-made fast sketches to illustrate an idea.

Olli

[Mono Jojoy]

Thats why I like C4D. You can make it very close to real. I like close to real.
Then I wouldnt use a toon shader to make it flat again.

[wuensch]

Thats why I like C4D. You can make it very close to real. I like close to real.
Then I wouldnt use a toon shader to make it flat again.

well, sometimes its not about what you like, but about what works--
or what other people like.
( I like good photorealism a well as good cartoon, as long as its good quality-- and I also like Picasso, not all of his work but his interesting development--and i like Frank Frazetta (and a lot more))

Olli

[JamesMK]

Knocking down on something that is an option seems a bit backwards to me in the first place. Toon shading is a possibilty among others - and as such it does not limit anything else, OK?

As a sidenote, I needed my signature digitized the other day, and my scanner is dead since long ago. What to do? Just signed my name with a freehand spline, assigned an S&T pencil shader and rendered it out :thumbsup: Not your typical art-business pro decision, but like Olli said, it's all about what works.

[Siddhy]

I don't like it real. Why? Because i have a decent camera :) If todays art had stopped at hyperrealism of the seventies the world would have become pretty boring. There's more to live than to create jaw-dropping realism if you ask me. Funny that there are still people around questioning Picasso when i look at the (media) art of today. I'd understand questioning if eating umts-phones is considered art, but still this 'picasso didn't paint good' topic? Hey, its 2005 after all :) There's a market for ringtones and britney spears out there :D

[Mono Jojoy]

exactly, Shiddy, and for Carlos Vives as well, ever listened to his disc: "Clasicos de la Provincia"?

[aldog]

Do you enjoy movies such as SkyCaptain, Sin City, The Incredibles, or maybe fox and the hound, or lion king?

[Mono Jojoy]

no, aldog, but I enjoyed 'The Chubbchubbs" very much or "Ice age"

[aldog]

well how can you enjoy movies like that and then question why someone would like something such as a cell shader?
It's the same type of thing, cause - although it might have been more difficult - those movies both could have been done with real people.

[Jorge Arango]

Maybe you're mistaking Matisse for someone else because he died in 1954 (Henri Matisse).

Jorge Arango


Mattisse was surprised when he heard of the possibility of photographic pictures for the first time, only a few weeks before he passed away.
Modigliani just could not afford a camera, Picasso lost the manual for his Leica, Klimt was afraid of these magical picture machines, he even refused to touch them.

that’s why these folks kept on painting although their paintings never showed any bodies with drawers. funny, isn’t it?

[govinda]

post deleted by govinda.

[nvvm]

you cant really say ignorant.
I am realist. I like realistic look although the reality can be a bit distorted like in Dali's pictures.
With respect to Picasso's pictures: I could draw that easily. Only problem: I am not famous. I dont know how picasso could become so famous with his talent to draw :(

Well, some are Picasso fans while others are Dali fans ;)The problem isn't being able to mimic picasso nor dali that could easily be done, by somone with skill. The problem is understanding why thy drew what they did and you being able to create something equally expressive and original. :D

yepp, or Salador Dali. Picassos paintings are junk. All distorted and the eyes never in their place, but Dali could really paint. His paintings look like made with C4D.
both paintings are abstracts just to differnt degree's, so I don't get why you call yourself a realist. Maybe you meant surrealist because that's what The persistence of memory is. It's wierd for someone to say that one style is better than another or to even judge a artist's ability by the work they choose to do. If you truly understand art you would never do something like that, if anything it's easier to identify or appreciate some other types styles or periods of art than others. This is true for everyone but to do what your doing, I get the impression you have newly discovered the joy of art, but simply don't understand it. To grow a distaste for something you feel is overrated ? Fine, but you at least should have some type of artistic inclined opinion as to why, not "it looks like c4d."


edit: and also people use cell shaders because they can. Just like you can use camera's or photorealistic settings in c4d.

[flingster]

shades of cel
bobtronic's shader
ditools parametric shader

Sketch and Toon Module from Maxon.

[JIII]

Sigh, all of these painters had more skill in their pinky finger than any of us have in our entire bodies. The reason why they are famous, and we are not, is that they innovated and changed the fact of art. However well, or realistic, we can render or paint unless we change artistic trends we can't say that Picasso or Dali were pathetic. Picasso, Dali and Davinchi are all part of western art. Without one great artist you can not have another. No art exists in a vaccum, that's just a matter of fact. So while you may not appreciate how something looks try to appreciate what it means to the world of art, which you and I are part of.

[aldog]

or like when people use filters on cameras...we don't actually see things in a sepia color scheme, or fish-eyed, or with an abnormal amount of glare from the lights.

[flingster]

is this a what is art thread? nope...:rolleyes:

[JIII]

Well it seems that alot of emotion is coming to the surface in the c4d forum lately, this will last until lildragon sticks his head in here and makes the mods shut everything down. but yeah, back on topic folks :-). Let's talk about toon shaders, c4d only has the industries best! (and btw anobrin it's not necessary to bash c4d if you disagree)

[Mono Jojoy]

The problem isn't being able to mimic picasso nor dali that could easily be done, by somone with skill. For the later Picassos you really dont need skill.


both paintings are abstracts just to differnt degree's, so I don't get why you call yourself a realist. Besause Dali's paintings look realistic although surrealistic while Picassos pictures look like noone knows what he wanted to paint, anyway, they dont look realistic.

[govinda]

Mono Jojoy, will you please let this go? Go publish an essay that from the point of view of a heretofore-obscure but promising polygon pusher overturns the opinions of tens of thousands of artists, art historians, curators, collectors, scholars and critics regarding the incredible hack that is the real Pablo Picasso. Until you do so, your opinion is noted and filed where it belongs. At least until the men come in the early morning Tuesday and take it away to start the biodegradation process.

I'm interested in reading posts regarding this thread's actual topic. Any new developments in NPR are highly pertinent to what I do for a living.

[project-09]

To the people who don't appreciate Picasso's later works...its because you guys didn't have enough academic schooling in art history to understand what it took to get there and what a huge impact it made. I love realism, but I've been to Art Center Pasadena, I've seen my teachers and fellow students whip that stuff up in a matter of hours.

Anyone can regurgitate realism or abstractism...but anyone who is dumb enough to say that it can be done easily is just mimicking. You people have no idea what was going through Picasso's head when he did his later pieces. You guys are all coming at it from a technical point of view, in which case I could say that there are plenty of people out there who can replicate the best pieces found on CGTALK. BIG WHOOP!

Sorry if I sound peeved. I'm constantly around other designers, 3D artist and illustrators who all seem to think they're CLASSICAL/FINE ARTIST. I work with 3d/NLE I do illustration on the side...but I KNOW that there is a distinction between fine arts and computer art/illustration. I can go on but I know I've already written a ton.

Just because you illustrate using oils and acrylics doesnt make you a fine artist. Keep that in mind.

apologies to anyone I might offend.

[squidinc]

what the hell happened to this thread?


I agree, picasso was a talentless feckwit

flame on

(and so.. the mindless, pretentious "what is art" rambling continues)

[bobtronic]

what the hell happened to this thread?


I agree, picasso was a talentless feckwit

flame on

(and so.. the mindless, pretentious "what is art" rambling continues)

hey squidinc, still alive? :)

[pit]

Hi Third!..........What´s that in your hand?! A padlock?! :scream: :thumbsup:

[acmepixel]

I never realized that Picasso wrote a 'Toon shader. What a useful thread.

[ThirdEye]

Hi Third!..........What´s that in your hand?! A padlock?! :scream: :thumbsup:

good sight you got pit