EXPOSÉ, the industry’s first art book celebrating the creative talents of digital art

[Cikala]

Cool!:buttrock:
Now if I could come with something good :P

[DimitrisLiatsos]

:bounce: Hi lildragon :wavey:

One small question....That means that i can send 1 or 2 images from works in the studio i work for and 1-2 images from personal work ???:bounce:

[efoo]

is any work which already in cgtalk gallery (cgtalk choice award) still can be submited for this art book?
i'm curious about this because one of my student has got his work in the gallery.
and is this a profit related publishing?
any term and conditions?


thanks:thumbsup:

[alphatron]

I've got one question. Can an entry be a 3d and live action composite? Just wondering since I'm currently in the post-production stage of my film, which heavily blends live-action and 3d elements.

[shoey]

This will be one cool book, hmmm....if i only i had some work to submit:hmm:

If your work gets in do you get a free copy:D

How much will it be and will we get it in the UK:thumbsup:

[show]

brilliant. its so great to see you guys unveiling all this stuff :P

Any idea when you will stop accepting entries btw ?

[Neox]

wow great!
when will be the deadline for submissions?

[shoey]

Originally posted by Neox
wow great!
when will be the deadline for submissions?

"Deadline for Entries
Deadline for entries is 1st June 2003."

Its on the info page;)

[Neox]

*cough* yep i currently wanted to write that :rolleyes:

have to read more :D

[SimonReeves]

If your work does not make it into this first issue of EXPOSÉ, we will automatically retain your entry for consideration for the next issue.

theres going to be more? :)

[ceql]

Wow, sounds great! :D :applause:

[Jonathan]

I'll be submitting something. Hopefully there'll be room for us cel shaders.

[shoey]

bugger!!!! Was going to submit my old toy van, but my digi cam doesn't go up to a high enough res to composit at 2657(or whatever size it was):thumbsdow. Well that counts me out:cry:

[thx1138]

This is very cool :thumbsup:

I'll try to come up with something, and even if I don't make it (I'm nowhere near as good as most of you), the book itself will be well worth it :)

[lildragon]

DimitrisLiatsos Yes of course bud, just make sure to give proper credit where it's due

efoo Yes actually all the art in the CGTalk Gallery should be submitted by the artist, we actually encourage it ;) and as for profit you will have to discuss this with Leo leonard@cgnetworks.com

alphatron Any 3D art you desire!

shoey I believe we'll work out some nice deals with the artists that have been choosen to be in the book ;) As for price it will be around $20-$30 USD I believe but don't quote me on that. And I'm sure you can find one, or even rent a cam that can do so. Do you have access to an A/V room in a college?

show Deadline for entries is 1st June 2003

reeves1984 T'is the plan my friend. We have some really strong backing to support it

Jonathan Doesn't matter, just submit it!

[stephen2002]

ooohh, nice. I might actually aquire this thing...and I don't usually like to buy books!

Since the entry period is June 1st, that gives me a month after the semester is over to make something! :D

[shoey]

Originally posted by lildragon
I'm sure you can find one, or even rent a cam that can do so. Do you have access to an A/V room in a college?

I'll be able to grab one from college, but the lighting and camera position will all be different. Bah:annoyed:. I shall see what i can do:wip:

[Edit:] check your PM lil':thumbsup:

[De-Cypher]

Maybe you could make a couple special editions and have all the artist sign it. or include a large poster (collage or maybe one major piece). But how would you handle the logistics of such an endeavor...?

[HoodZ]

dang wish i were more talented :shrug:

[Lunatique]

Hey, what if the original image is like 1600x1200? Would that resize ok to 2657 or 3636 ok? Would it look too blurry when printed? Also, I'm slightly confused by the "or" part of 2657 and 3636. Does it mean that when resizing your work, which ever is reached first (2657 width, or 3636 height), you stop there? What if your image is horizontal? Is the 2657 the only mark you need to hit for resizing? I think this should be explained more.

[DimitrisLiatsos]

:bounce: First image uploaded !!!!:bounce:

P.S :Lets hope one of all i will send gets printed !:drool:

[MarkSnoswell]

Nearly everything people are asking about is on the entry form... http://www.cgtalk.com/expose/entry.html ... so I will just answer the stuff that's not there ;)

1. EXPOSÉ will be an ongoing series. We are still formulating plans but we do intend that there will be one major issue each year in which we announce a number of award winners in various categories.
If there is enough quality images submitted we will do two or maybe four issues per year.

2. At present we plan for the price to be US$30.

3. ANYTHING DIGITAL can be entered. There are NO restrictions -- we just want to see your best stuff. You can even enter several versions of the same work if you improve it before the deadline -- it's free to enter as many images as you like... we will pick the best for publication - so it's sort of a competition for print space!

4. Image size for a full page spread with bleeds is 2657 x 3636 ... so if you want us to be able to print your image full width or height - or full page you should submit an image that fits the width or height or both... but you dont HAVE to send an image that big. It's up to you.

5. EXPOSÉ is just the first publication of a brand new media/publishing business Leonard and I have set up. You can expect to see a whole range of quality productions come out as soon as we get a chance -- The first priority is EXPOSÉ.

so go for it ! ... submit you best stuff and we could make you famous in print :).

Mark Snoswell
Director and Editor, Ballistic Media and EXPOSÉ.

[bentllama]

unfortunately animators do not have alot of still work...
...aside from thumbnail sketches and character concepts...

:)

:cry: :cry: :cry:

[HapZungLam]

yea, lildragon :

do you ever think of making a collection of DVD demo reels so that animators can submit their works?

I would like to submit mine, but probably won't qualify. a....a.. shame on me.

[no9]

a great idea. Hopefully you can send the books down to the UK as I will defiantly be buying one if this goes ahead, :)

[Duffman]

ah what a great idea! You CGTalk guys are brilliant. I'll definitely be submitting something! :beer:

[chlywly]

SWEET!

[RockinAkin]

Sorry if this has been asked already, but:

How many pages is the book going to be?
or in other words,
About how many entries are you all planning on accepting?

Is this actually going to be published (as in can be bought from a place like amazon.com) or is it just a local thing through CGTalk.com?

Thanks,
-DivideByZero-

[Raul-Reznek]

I don't think i'm worthy...

[dark_lotus]

lildragon: How big are you expecting the book to be?

[AJ]

3. Do not convert your image to CMYK and do not over-sharpen it for print. We will be applying CMYK conversions and other filters that are optimal for the print process we have chosen.


What if the images contain vibrant turqouise/blues or similar colours that will simply won't print CMYK...?

Are you going to decide what level the colours should clip to - or consult the artist?


:surprised

[Seven]

Sounds really interesting, im going to try to enter something.

Sev

[hanzo]

wowhoo! excellent idea cgtalk..

:bounce: I got to do somethin for this!

[John Lee]

what about us animators?

how could we show our work?

Thanks

[lildragon]

The book will be somewhere between 120 - 190 pages and will feature approximately 200 artists.

AJ_23 I'm not certain, I'll have to ask Leo to speak to the printers.

as for the animators, one thing at a time ;) there's a reason we have an animation section in the gallery :). One thing at a time tho.

salud

[sicean]

should we include a few words with our entries? perhaps a brief statement, and some information about the tools and techniques we used.

[alx]

wow i love the idea.. and i am all redy ready,.. man i want to submit i want to submit....

hehhe
welll

whare to send what to do...






omg i love the idea..
SALUD LIL'
:beer:

[lildragon]

Originally posted by sicean
should we include a few words with our entries? perhaps a brief statement, and some information about the tools and techniques we used.

Yes please

-lil

[MarkSnoswell]

ah... some more information for you all -- keep those questions and suggestions comming :)

1. EXPOSÉ 1. will be somewhere between 120 - 190 pages or so.

2. Page size will be 297 x 215 mm.

3. There will be a range of layouts with images ranging from 1/4 page to full page.

4. We expect that the number of artists we can feature will be around 200.

5. We plan to put up a "reserve your copy" web page in a few weeks time -- no payment required at this time.

6. We will be shipping directly to everywhere in the world.

7. We will not process on line orders untill the week before the book is actually printed -- the plan is to deliver orders to anywhere in the world within 4 weeks of ordering.

8. There will be volume discounts in pricing -- probably for 5, 10, 25 and 100+. We have not calculated the discounts and shipping costs yet.

9. We are looking at the alternatives for a very special, numbered Limited edition -- stay tuned.

10. Entrants should feel free to post their submitted images to cgTalk -- EXPOSÉ is all about showing off the best digital images and we dont want to limit peoples exposure in any way -- so we only ask for a non-exclusive licence to print entrants images.

11. We are looking at the best way to show off everyones work -- not just the people who get into print... We could do a CD or DVD eddition or just have a special place on the web with a gallery of web sized images (we dont want to put up full size print images to protect the artists images from being stolen and printed without their permission).


whew ... that's enough for now. Keep posting those questions and suggestions -- and get to work on those images :)

cheers

Mark
Director and Editor. Ballistic Media and EXPOSÉ.

[siquier]

It would be a GREAT honor to be in EXPOSÉ, I will send something, of course.

[RobertoOrtiz]

With all this amazing CG art, maybe CGtalk could do an
Art show at SIGGRAPH.

:applause:

I bet the organizers of the conference would love the idea.



-Roberto
:buttrock: :buttrock:

[iBlue]

Originally posted by Jonathan
I'll be submitting something. Hopefully there'll be room for us cel shaders.

at least 2 of us? :bounce:

i wanna get my stuff in a book!!!! :beer:

[shoey]

So as far as updating a file goes, you don't overwrite the file using FTP, you make a completley new entry using the same details:surprised Is that right:shrug:

[Chaos Maximus]

Attempting to relax....

wow. This is amazing. you know this is going to be a stepping stone for CG into being an accecpted art. ive been racking my brain along with a few other people at my thread (kings of cg, listed in signature), about how to get accecpted as an art. Because as you all know CG isnt given the credit it deserves. if you want pls add to my thread.

I cant express how happy this makes me. I think a lot of people are going to get behind this and you will have a lot of issues to publish, thanks for this .

ill submit stuff. i dont think ill make it yet, but eventally i will :)

thats optimism

thanks guys

[rizob]

great idea, btw you guys should give a free book to the accepted entries. just a thought

[MarkSnoswell]

OK .. more info.

1. To manage and track inages entered we ask that people fill out an entry form for eack image and upload images one at a time -- WITH a copy of the entry form in the zip file uploaded.

2. I have been doing layouts for the book for a while now -- and it's looking fantastic !! :) :) ... we have still to determine just how much text we will put on each page of images -- it's just the artists description of images that will be limited to a sentence or so. We will always list the artist, title, client, etc...

3. There will be an index listing of all the artists with contact details in the book -- so potential clients for your work can contact you !

4. I am off to soo printers in a final selection round now -- the print quality will be the finest quality for any art book -- possibly a world leader in this area.

5. We will probably post some sample pages on the web when the "reserve your copy" web page goes up -- we don't want to put up the sample PDF pages until the layout is finalized and we have some of the "real" images rather than placeholder images.

Mark

Director and Editor, Ballistic Media and EXPOSÉ

[halo]

will there be an area for some text about the image and contact details or how do you see the text being handled?

are there catagories you will be filing the images by? just wondered...

[iBlue]

man, im gonna have to put together the greatest models and scene together ive ever done for this book, even though noone has seen my stuff here, i gotta make sure its top notch to get in...

!!!!!!!

:surprised

[SPIDER2544]

digital arts ??

does that include digital photography as well ??

[MarkSnoswell]

This is good... all the questions... we will compile all the extra information I have been posting with some additional guidelines on the EXPOSÉ page soon.

For now, here's a bit more information:

1. There is no entry charge... We are aware that there is an entry charge for other competitions from which art gets printed. However we chose to bear all the costs for the pre-press work & printing and make it free for people to enter. This does mean that we can't go giving away books or offer deep discounts to lots of entrants. We will look at what we can do, but thats not a promise as we have to see what the print volume will be and what shipping and other costs will be.

2. In addition to putting sales revenue back into funding more books/CD/DVD's etc... we will be putting some money back into supporting cgTalk as well :)

cheers

Mark Snoswell. Director and Editor, Ballistic Media and EXPOSÉ.

[MarkSnoswell]

hmmm... nothing to stop people from posting Digital Photography. However to have a good chance of winning a place in print it would have to be pretty stunning and/or artistically enhanced in Painter / Photoshop / Deep Paint or whatever.

Next week we will post the categories that we will be selecting awards from.

cheers

Mark Snoswell. Director and Editor, Ballistic Media and EXPOSÉ.

[Oktavian]

Which dpi is to use? The normal 72 for screen or something else?

[MarkSnoswell]

We didn't specify the dpi because we will overide whatever settings people have and just go by the total image dimentions.

But - just so you know ;) we will be working at 300 DPI.

I just got back from seeing candidate printers for a second time -- and we are leaning towards going with stochastic screening rather than the traditional half tone screening.
It's interesting -- I personally had the first stochastic screen job printed here in Adelaide 10 years ago -- but the processes is just starting to be intorduced by the leading edge, high quality printers now...

...anyway. What it all means is the EXPOSÉ will be at the forefront of hgh quality printing on a world wide basis :)

cheers

Mark Snoswell. Director and Editor, Ballistic Media and EXPOSÉ.

[santiago]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I'm buying several copies

[hilscreate]

I hate to be the wet blanket being that I haven't got anything at the moment IMO good enough to enter but just to clarify because it seems too good to be true and previous bad experiences of broken dream.

What you are saying is that you are selling a book based on submitted works 3d artists here. And these artist are not be compensated to have their works displayed in this book. Won't they be at a disadvantage? I just thought if you intent to make money from the works of an artist or a group of artist, they should be compensated or even a wee bit of profit-sharing?

I mean most guys would be happy because it means free publicity for them. And I know you guys are taking a BIG risk coming out with money, time and effort upfront for publishing and promoting. distribution and stuff.

I am comparing this to the Spectrum series of books and annuals of best graphic designs/illustrators etc..... which is in the same price range and objective. Most or all work in it are commissioned work by the artists so they are sort of covered.

Or have I got it all wrong and being naive and all?

[santiago]

i agree with hilscreate, but also, this is a first book, nobody knows how successful it will sell... and given the prestige of being in the first book, and considering that these are works already made, and most likely exhibited in this forum anyway... it sounds reasonable to ask artists to contribute for free.

if they were asking artists to make new art for the book... then compensation is mandatory, unless there are artists willing to do it for free, which is cool, but it won't happen

a percentage of the publication's profits towards the artists sounds reasonable, maybe it'd be better to talk about that once low-res versions of the submissions are made
I suspect no marketing research was put into this effort, it's not like they wanna make some big business out of this, otherwise they would know roughly how well this would sell today, and be prepared to compensate the artists for their contributions

This seems to me to be a milestone, a mark to be made, a very first time, the landmark, the beginning, a new era, the next step, the legacy, the legend, honor, glory, pride, haha, whatever
seems to me that this has little to do with business and lots to do with community sentiment, the pride of printing a first document of artwork that has inspired us all for over a year, a commemoration
I hope people keep it like this, because I really love this community, and it fills me with great joy to see something like this made happen, way cool guys
I can't submit anything, I'm not a very high level artist, I don't think I'm any kind of artist at all, but I do have alot of heart, and I'll treasure this jewel of CG for the rest of my natural life

:buttrock: rock on CG Talk

[Lunatique]

Specturm charges artists $20 entry fees for every piece entered. It costs $2000-$3000 to get a page in art annuals like Directory of Illustration, The Black Book, American Showcase. .etc.

EXPOSÉ submission is free. You get great exposure out of it. You are part of a history-making event.

That is how I look at it.

hilscreate mentioned that Spectrum artists are usually already compensated since their work are mostly paid professional work. How is that different for CG folks? I would venture to say that there are far more hobbyist 2D artists than there are 3D ones. Why is it assumed that CG works submitted to EXPOSÉ won't be commercial in nature?

[Oktavian]

Thanks Mark, I missed this point.

[hilscreate]

I didn't have the intention of assuming that some work submitted isn't commerical. I did assumed thar the artist would clear it with his client and/or studio b4 or stated in his contract about submitting their stuff IF it was commerical..... You won't go through the artist if he wants to submit a frame shot from LOTR or ATOC that he worked on.

Legal software issues are another concern. Those guys in China or in a majority of S.E asia countries will know what I mean. 2D guys pretty much deal with 1 or 2 paint programs or tradtional medium.
My standpoint is from that of a non-profit artist. Most of the stuff we see here are done by artists for all to see. For people to comment, critique, admire, inspire.....etc. There is no direct profit involved and its free for all. Expect for the admins who must have spent a lot of time and money for the bandwidth etc.......

But when there is profit/money involved........ its another story.

[astrofish]

This sounds very interesting. How are you going to judge how many copies to print?
Are you going to get people to pre-order.

Wish I was good enough to have a chance at getting something in - but if it ends up being a regular thing (hope it does) then maybe someday...

Cheers - Steve

[Seven]

Ok this may sound like a totally stupid question :) but am I going to see this book in my local town Book shop ? (by that I mean, I live in a major city in the UK)

Is it only going to be an online thing, or are you going to ship it to towns and citys world wide?

Have I missed something? If so you have my full authority to call me an arse :)

Sev

[MarkSnoswell]

more info :) ...

1. Once the enteries start rolling in and we can make up some decent sample pages we will be putting up a "reserve your copy" web page. This is to get an early idea of just how many copies we are likley to print. Just how many copies that will be and how many extra we print will be a very interesting, and nerve racking decision. We wont put up the on-line ordering page or process any payments untill the week before printing.

2. We expect that the bulk of orders will be on-line and we will be direct shipping all over the world. However we will also be aproaching every distributor we can think of.

3. We will offer volume discounts to anyone -- so if you want to organize a group of people in your local region then you, or anyone, can act as a local "distributor". Anyone doing this shoud be award that importing multiple copies of a book may atract local import duties -- duties that shipments of single books would not atract.

cheers

Mark Snoswell. Director and Editor, Ballistic Media and EXPOSÉ

[SimonReeves]

sounding better and better




:thumbsup:

[jeroentje]

Wooohooooo!!! Excellent!!! :bounce:

@Tito
I just submitted some stuff. There's a cmyk illustrator eps among it. I made it that way in the first place. No need to convert that to a big(ger) rgb tiff, right? ;)

[MarkSnoswell]

:bounce: we are up to 57 uploaded entries already :bounce:

fantastic !

we will start processing these today and emailing out confirmations.

cheers

Mark Snoswell. Director and Editor, Ballistic Media and EXPOSÉ.

[Seven]

Is it going to be a first come first served basis ? I am sure you will recieve 200 images that are off the highest standard before mid May let alone June 1st. Images that could easily fill the book.

So are people who submit there work later be at a disadvantage ?

Sev

[MarkSnoswell]

No -- it's not first in first served... we will consider all images sent i before the deadline. However we strongly encourage people to upload material as soon as they have it as we are processing enteries as they come in and sending people confirmations -- we expect that there will be one almighty surge of enteries at the last minute which will swamp the servers -- which we want to avoid as much as possible ;)

Mark Snoswell. Director and Editor, Ballistic Media and EXPOSÉ

[lildragon]

Originally posted by Seven
So are people who submit there work later be at a disadvantage ?

Sev

No :)

-lil

[Seven]

Thanx for the replys guys :)

[DimitrisLiatsos]

@ Mark.Snoswell ...

:bounce:
Will the book have different sections for personal work and TV productions 'cuase i have many works from TV spots....more than personal works..lol ????:bounce:

[RockinAkin]

Originally posted by DimitrisLiatsos
@ Mark.Snoswell ...

:bounce:
Will the book have different sections for personal work and TV productions 'cuase i have many works from TV spots....more than personal works..lol ????:bounce:
How about a section for students? :thumbsup: :shrug:

Also, is this book being published, as in can be found at amazon.com, or my local bookstore... or is it just going to be sold through CGTalk.com?

And again, Thanks for the great idea guys.
My submission is coming soon! - Keep a space open! :D
-DivideByZero-

[astrofish]

Originally posted by Mark.Snoswell
we will start processing these today and emailing out confirmations.


I assume you mean confirmations of receipt - not confirmation of acceptance for publication? I think that's what's confused a few people (including me).

Cheers - Steve

[MarkSnoswell]

Yes -- we will be emailing confirmations of recipt of entries after we check that every upload is correct ... I have found one corrupt zip file so far and we need to get the entrant to re-upload their file.

Keep tose entries rolling in !!

Mark Snoswell. Director and Editor, Ballistic Media and EXPOSÉ

[Scandell]

This is the kind of thing where i work my butt off...trying frantically to pump out some piece of work that is excellent...and fallshort to the deadline

[Scandell]

This is the kind of thing where i work my butt off...trying frantically to pump out some piece of work that is excellent...and fallshort to the deadline.

[Max4ever]

"Image dimensions should be: 2657 wide and/or 3636 high"

are you kidding me? :surprised :surprised :surprised

[lildragon]

Originally posted by max4ever
"Image dimensions should be: 2657 wide and/or 3636 high"

are you kidding me? :surprised :surprised :surprised

No not at all, this is printing not web work. Print resolutions need to be this large in order to sustain the best possible quality.

salud

[Max4ever]

yeah but...i have some images i want to submit and i don't have the projects any more...
and what about render times? i have a project wich took me 20 hours to render 880/400...i'm so affraid to touch that render button again :D
offf... life sucks! :(

[lildragon]

Heheh yeah that's tough, as for the render times, you have till June 1st ;) try to render it on a comp that doesn't get used much, or maybe ieven schedule it to run overnight. :shrug:

salud

[Max4ever]

:) i think i'm gonna take a loooong vacation...:rolleyes:

[Steveyola]

Excellent idea. Time to post a couple secret characters.:beer:

[Silvermyst]

This is great. I just started a personal project to test my ability to its maximum. I should have it finished in time, and I'd love to submit it.:buttrock:

[iBlue]

arrr, must model faster! must finish all models by deadline http://www.elementaleye.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smilies25.gif

[Silvermyst]

Heh, I'm texturing my ... off trying to get this done in time :thumbsup: Hopefully I'll at least have the model done in time

[ceql]

the art is meant to be primarity 3D, but are some paintovers over the final render allowed? ;)

[Silvermyst]

I'm pretty sure any kind of post work is allowed (color correction, touchups, etc)

[ceql]

hmm, but what about large amounts of paintovers? :p (So much so, that it borderlines being a 2d/3d piece in some parts?)

[terryford]

Submissions form - acknowledges a successful send?

I've tried a couple of times, and after submitting the form resets to blank with no acknowledgment that the details were sent. This might be due to my script limiting firewall, but I wanted to check before trying again, don't want to keep submitting the same info...


Regards,
Terry

[Leonard]

Hey I'm looking into it. We just moved the servers so it could be a DNS issue.

Leonard.

[FatAssasin]

ceql: From what I understand, it's a book on "digital" art, not "3d" art. So you could do an entire piece only in Photoshop or Painter and never touch a 3d program and it would be accepted.

[Leonard]

OK the entry form should be working good again. Please PM me if you still have issues.

L.

[ceql]

ahh okay, thnx, I had this 'must-be-almost-completely-3D' notion floating around in my mind for some reason :p

[SimonReeves]

does anyone read the actual expose site ;)

1. You should feel free to "hand edit" your images as much as you like. 3D renders should be viewed as if they were raw photographs -- they should be hand edited, colour corrected, sharpened, and edited to improve their quality as much as you can.

[FLOw]

to buy the book or not to buy the book...that is a stupid question
:thumbsup:

[iBlue]

hey are collaberations allowed? I friend of mine and we want to submit a piece together (i'll be doing 3d and she'll be doing 2d). is this allowed?

[MarkSnoswell]

Yes. Collaborations are allowed :)

Mark Snoswell. Director and Editor Ballistic Media and EXPOSÉ.

[iBlue]

excellent :D

[jnasato]

I do all of my work on a laptop and use a Color LCD color profile, and I read on the Exposé page that the systems used for proofing or whatnot will use sRGB profiles. Can I just embed my Photoshop color profile into the tiff, or should I convert the color to sRBG?
Thanks.

[MarkSnoswell]

Color profiles should not be embedded into images. You should either work in sRGB ro convert to sRGB before submitting images.

Mark Snoswell. Director and Editor, Ballistic Media and EXPOSÉ.

[Seven]

Whats Expose's take on nudity? For example a piece like pablov's 'Roman Statue'. Will the book censor pieces like this, will pieces of art with nudity in not be accepted ?

Sev

[Leonard]

I answered this in another thread. It is ultimately up to the Jury.

L.

[Seven]

I suppose you can always give them pants :)

Thanx Leo

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